Writer objects to deputy visit

Tue, 06/03/2008 - 4:17pm
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On May 21 at approximately 5 p.m., I was confronted at my home by sheriff’s candidate Wayne Hannah. This was the same day that my letter to the editor appeared in The Citizen, in which I expressed my concerns about sheriff’s candidate Dave Simmons’ campaign signs being removed from locations in the county.
To receive an uninvited, no-notice visit by Lt. Col. Wayne Hannah of the Fayette County Sheriff’s Office was quite a shock. He stated that he had come to talk to me about the letter that I had sent to the editor.
The event has caused concern to both me and my wife about possible retaliation for the legal exercise of my constitutional right of freedom of speech.
Donald Sims
Fayetteville, Ga.

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Submitted by TyroneTerror on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 4:52pm.

Mr. Sims letter was published and he blamed Wayne Hannah for the removal of Simmons' signs. He did it in a public forum. Mr. Hannah visited him, expressed his concerns over the allegations and in turn wrote a letter of his own describing his visit.

I cal that a MAN that faces his accusers rather than stooping to the name calling of others.

Mr Hannah may not have my vote yet, but one thing is for sure Simmons will NEVER have it.

Submitted by sageadvice on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 5:06pm.

I still prefer a hired sheriff. One who doesn't hold office due to his bravado!
One who many good people are afraid of.

People expect favors when needed from elected sheriffs'. If he doesn't know you, you won't get any.

Submitted by TyroneTerror on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 8:45am.

in the hiring of a Sheriff. Who makes the selection, the county commissioners? That's another political mess to be involved and would probably make it worse. Just imagine had Greg "King" Dunn had a say in the hiring of the Sheriff. Remember Boss Hogg and Roscoe???
Talk about FAVORS!

Also what if they hired someone with no ties to Fayette County? I sincerely believe that in order to be an effective Sheriff you have to have some type of relationship with the area you a sworn to protect and serve. An outsider just doesn't have it.

Submitted by lastresort1 on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 7:43am.

My husband and lived in Clayton County for 16 years. We own our own business and our children graduated from Jonesboro High. We had property and a beautiful home, but we saw the writing on the wall. We took all of our assests and bought a home in Fayette County. We have two children left to graduate and we were concerned about their education. We moved into a wonderful neighborhood with friendly neighbors. Three months ago we were invited to a Meet & Greet at a neighbors and we had the opportunity to meet David Simmons.
He was a very articulate and informed man. I have a law enforcement background and his assessments of what is happening in Fayette County and his proposed solutions were both legitimate and creditable. He told us about the catalytic converter thefts way before the current regime reported it to the paper two weeks ago. He had some alarming crime statistics for Fayette County but they were true. For those who blame him for the city of Detroit, I say "Be Real!" Did you know Fayette county has had home invasions? What about some of the scandals that have happened in this administration? Are you going to blame this on the current administration? I am concerned because we put everything we have in our new home. We need someone who will be able to deal with the changes in our county in a new and progressive way. Why is there so much crime at the Pavillion? It is tucked in the middle of our town with no easy getaway accesses, yet criminals feel safe and prey on it as easy pickings. Mr. Simmons has my vote! All I can say is Clayton County didn't see it coming either. Inform yourselves fellow citizens. Fight for Fayette County's way of life.

I do not like being anonymous, but if it's true that you may get an unexpected visit for voicing your opinions, by opposing candidates then I prefer not to be placed on their list.

M.H.
Fayetteville, GA

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:09pm.

is by far the most qualified candidate for sheriff, and is nothing but a gentleman. There is no way that Mr. Sims felt in the least bit "intimidated" by Hannah's attempt to have a dialogue with him over the sign issue.

Submitted by GiveMeABreak4507 on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 9:55pm.

I admit it. I confess. Reading the blogs, especially when they concern a topic I am familiar with, is as difficult to resist as staring at a traffic collision while driving past one--sometimes you just feel a little embarrassed to have held up traffic.

Unlike probably 75% (admittedly a guess, albeit an educated one) of the people who blog here about Lt. Colonel Hannah and others running for Sheriff, I know three of the four running for Sheriff personally. It’s a shame everyone doesn’t know them personally AND professionally; that would open some eyes. I don't know Mr. Simmons personally, but I do know of him from a few people who have had encounters with him--pleasant and not so pleasant.

The worst part of reading the blogs for me is the half truths, deceptive statements, and yikes, sometimes outright lies that some people write. They tend to lit me up. Dog gone it, someone else I have a lot or respect for is right, he says that "If you don't want someone to get your goat, don't tell them where you keep your goat."

Any way, Lt. Colonel Hannah doesn't read the blogs unless someone points out something particularly scurrilous such as Mr. Sims' letter to the editor. He's pretty sanguine about all this stuff. I'm certain he goes to sleep each night quickly and rests with the comfort of having gone to bed with a clear conscious (I know it sounds silly, but so what, its true).

Listen, I’ll cut to the chase….

Yes, I've heard Lt. Colonel Hannah mention Mr. Sims, the first time several years ago as Lt. Colonel Hannah was building his house. For such a straight arrowed and ethically bound person as him, having it inferred publicly that he was a thief had to smart. Especially since the person making the accusation was someone that you had known casually, yet friendly, for more than four years. Ironically, someone who had shown up at his house unannounced (and welcomed apparently) on more than one occasion.

Yes that’s right, Lt. Colonel Hannah and Mr. Sims have not each other in a friendly manner for about four years.

Shame on you Mr. Simms, you know better. Lt. Colonel Hannah, who was not in uniform, and on a leave of absence from the Sheriff's Office, isn't guilty of intimidating you, if anything; he's guilty of misjudging the boundaries of a friendly acquaintanceship.

Good luck sleeping tonight...

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 6:22am.

First of all you placed signs illegally on private property then complain bitterly when simmons sign is removed. You accused Mr. Hannah of removing the sign. Mr. Hannah is actually supported by the property owner and had no part in the sign removal.

Secondly you are neighbors and casual acquaintance with Mr. Hannah.

So you support simmons and you are a bold faced liar, that is what we have learned about you. Beautiful!

Submitted by Tom1939 on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 10:21am.

Skyspy, it is obvious I've known Dave Simmons for decades. I have worked in units with him. I have watched his behaviors and methods of operating for some time going back over the decades. I have no axe to grind but I do have some concern for the community where he might "con" his way into getting control of their law enforcement system.

I have known officers who did not know him and were assigned to work in units with him. I'd ask these officers what their impressions of him were. These officers always formed a very high opinion of him based on those first few early meetings and exchanges. Simmons goes out of his way to impress you with his knowledge of crime, of criminals, of his importance to the police department, etc. He seems to want to impress you too much.

Later, I would see those same officers again after a year or two and their impression of Dave Simmons' changed where their observation was, "it is a good thing for a person to want to achieve and progress in life ... there is nothing wrong with that ... but a person must have limitations on what they will do to achieve."

My observations based on decades of experiences have caused me to conclude Simmons is an egoist filled with raw ambition but also with a deep inferiority complex that makes him deeply insecure, deceitful, and devious but also thinking that, in order to obtain achievement, he needs to seek out someone in authority who will "open doors" for him. On Detroit's department Simmons perceived when his command officer tried to correct his behavior with the lower ranking officers, that the command officer's actions were motivated by jealousy of him.

He seems to perceive people are “jealous of him” at almost every turn, which fuels a competition and drive to dominate those under him. Plus, his drive to obtain position, achievement, is so intense that when he perceives someone or something standing in the way of the position he has set his sights on, he will become more ruthless, devious, conniving and filled with the belief that the opposition is jealous of his "superior qualifications."

On one hand, his early stating on his qualifications were, in his own words, based on the fact that he was a major executive and force in the running of the Detroit police department. When the corruption of that department was exposed, Simmons transformed into a minor player in the running of the Detroit police department revealing that Simmons was over-stating his qualitifcations. He got caught in the attempt of deception of "his qualifications." Now Simmons' is attempting to make Wayne Hannah seem ... as Dave Simmons is.

Wayne Hannah is probably being set up by the Simmons campaign because it appears, as you suggest, Mr. Sims must have seen Mr. Hannah, his neighbor, place his “Hannah” campaign sign. Therefore, Mr. Sims placed a “Simmons” sign next to Hannah's sign thinking it was only fair. Later, the Hannah sign is still in place but the Simmons sign is gone. Both Hannah and Sims knew whom and when the campaign signs where placed, they are neighbors. When Mr. Sims placed the Simmons sign he did not get permission from the owner of the private property ... in fact, the property owner in another blog posted last week that he or she removed the “Simmons” sign, not Wayne Hannah.

Mr. Hannah learned of Mr. Sims blog post and decided to walk over to his neighbor and friend to explain about the signs and tend to his hurt feelings to maintain their neighborly relationship. Mr. Sims probably told of this occurrence to the Simmons campaign and it becomes, "Hannah abuses authority to intimidate citizen ... what will he do next with greater authority?!?!" Remember the Simmons campaign has been attempting, for weeks, to connect the legal and proper removal of "Simmons" campaign signs to Wayne Hannah because they view him as the front-runner.

This is a perfect example of the character of Dave Simmons and the character of Wayne Hannah. The fact that Wayne Hannah was reaching out to his neighbor who he knew did not support him in such a manner speaks volumes. The fact that the Simmons campaign would attempt to exploit and twist a normal human act of concern into a base political ploy speaks volumes.

I have no axe to grind ... does this post have any merit for public consumption?

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 12:39pm.

This is very relevant. I too read the letter the person wrote to the paper. They were very upset that simmons or his supporters would trespasss on his or her property. Rightly so.

The fact that they can't follow simple county ordinances and law screams volumes about simmons character, or lack of it.

Submitted by Tom1939 on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 8:35pm.

...or a Detroit Police Deputy Chief needs to be put into perspective. The number of officers assigned to a Detroit police precinct, now called District, is around 225 strong or more. Therefore, the superior officer in command of that location leads 225 officers.

A Detroit Police Deputy Chief commands every Precinct, now called District, on the west or east side of Detroit. Meaning that superior officer in command leads a force of around 1100 officers or more.

To put this in perspective, the smaller suburban cities around Detroit in the past used to tap retiring Detroit police precinct commanders to become their Police Chief's because those suburban communities had a police force of between 15 to 150 officers.

These suburban police departments had a force with less officers than the average Detroit police precinct. Today, these Detroit suburban communities no longer hire retired Detroit police executives viewing them as "damaged goods."

In fact, nowhere that I know of in this country will you find a retired Detroit police executive who came up the ranks under Democratic Mayor Coleman Young that has been hired to run a large, medium or even small police department.

Most sheriff's departments employ between 70 to 200 deputy sheriffs.

The point is this, why would a Detroit Police Commander and a Detroit Police Deputy Chief, who has commanded a force of between 225 to 1100 officers, a force the size of the small city, the Toledo, Ohio or the Lansing, MI police departments, for example, go after a small sheriff's department with around 70 sheriff deputies?

For a Detroit Police command executive the next logical step on his or her career path would be a medium sized urban police department where his or her law enforcement background and experience is a better fit. This professional and experienced "Police Command Executive" can easily hire a "professional headhunter" a "job recruiter" to find an opportunity that fits their career path.

A Detroit police Deputy Chief does not go from commanding 1100 officers to checking the handbags of old ladies entering an office building in Atlanta ... this doesn't make logical sense ... unless this person had never commanded a police precinct or entire police division before. Then running a sheriff's department would be their first time being the "superior in command" and the easiest step in their career path if their tainted professional background won't allow them to compete for "Police Chief" openings for hire and the professional headhunter won't touch them as a client.

Most superior command officers of police or sheriff departments, who have run whole precincts, run whole divisions or run whole departments, want to retire and go fishing after 30 years being in command. It would be like Sheriff Johnson moving 700 miles away and look to be an urban Police Chief after 30 years being County Sheriff. Most times an executive officer retires and their wife becomes the chief.

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 12:17am.

First of all I have still been making phone calls and I have yet to find anyone who will verify simmon's "alleged" credentials. Was he actually a "precinct commander", because nobody seems to remember that.....things that make you go hmmmmm.......

The topic of why he would seek the job of Sheriff of Fayette County has come up many times at many different parties. We all have come to the same conclusion: he wants to get his dirty hands on all of the drug money Fayette County takes in every year. Which is actually very substantial because they help so many other counties, they get half of what is taken in when they help.

He wants to pull a chief Hart in my opinion. Based on what I have read and the people I have talked to in Detroit I am very concerned. You are right nobody is hiring ex-Detroit cops up there especially if they worked under Hart or Mckinna.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:04pm.

Geeeeeez....that's a mighty BIG detail you left out, Mr. Sims.


Submitted by susieq on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 10:21pm.

Thanks for setting the record straight.

I think what you meant to type is KNOWN instead of NOT:
Yes that’s right, Lt. Colonel Hannah and Mr. Sims have KNOWN each other in a friendly manner for about four years.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 4:48pm.

That just ain't right, that he would show up at your house! Very creepy. There are some very strange people that have used 'The Citizen' to freak people out, and this is just one more incident.

I wonder if Hannah is related to Denise or bpr?


Submitted by GentleTug on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 4:06pm.

After reading a bunch of these comments I have come to the conclusion that there are alot of people who are floating way out there in LaLa land. Must be some good stuff that ya'll have gotten your hands on. If someone published in a paper that I or someone who represented me had been stealing stuff, then yeah I would have probably went and asked them what's up also. I guess everytime someone shows up at your doorstep uninvited, then it is for confrontational purposes only. If that is the case then Katie bar the door when the various religious organizations come a calling. I think some are forgetting that is was not Hannah who put the stuff in the newspaper in the first place. Why couldn't Sims called Hannah and asked him what was up in the beginning. Maybe if he would have done that all of us wouldn't have anything to talk about.
As far as relating Hannah to Jordan, I can honestly say that is two ends of the spectrum. If you really want to know about Hannah then ask some of the guys that work for him. Never had the opportunity, but I do know that they are some of the happiest guys at the S.O. Ask them about the atmosphere in their office. I have really never seen any of them down on what is happening with the rest of the department. When asked, they will tell you that they could not ask for more. Believe me when I say I have, because that is the division that I want to further my career in.Ask anyone which division takes care of it's people and you will more that likely hear "Traffic". Oh by the way I am pretty sure it is run by Lt. Colonel Wayne Hannah. And yes I support Hannah, not going to lie, for when it comes to thinking things thru and being logical and not spur of the moment then that is what I see in Hannah. My dealing with others have not given me that same feelings. Not talking about Simmons here cause I know very little about him but I do the other two.
R U Smiling Yet!!!!

Submitted by McGerkin88 on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 8:45pm.

Your what we say very green. You will learn about life soon. Nice try though and keep that gentle tug.

Submitted by CI5835 on Tue, 06/03/2008 - 11:00pm.

of Mr. Sims is a prime example of an individual who feels entitled to do whatever he wants. Why could he not just call? Why could he not ask if it would be alright for him to come by Mr. Sims home to speak with him in person about his concerns? He obviously wanted to intimidate Sims and silence any future criticism. Looks like unlawful voter intimidation to me by any reasonable objective standard and I hope this incident is being investigated by election officials.

Submitted by sageadvice on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 7:34am.

Kinda reminds me of the days of old in Georgia. The sheriff and several bubbas, big and mean, visit smile like a possum, walk around the house, break things, cause "accidents" to happen, say "what we have here is a failure to communicate," and leave!!!

Hire sheriff's--not elect!

Submitted by William Barrett14 on Tue, 06/03/2008 - 7:05pm.

Say, wouldn't be interesting if you happened to have met Wayne Hannah before your letter to the editor containing baseless accusations about him?

Wow, wouldn't that cast a whole different light on your "concern?"

Thanks Mr. Sims, you don't live most of your life in one place without some people getting to know you. Those people know other people too. They know Wayne Hannah better than you do obviously. They might not blog, or write letters to the editor, but they do vote.

"I have spoken in person with one of the authors of the letters that appeared in the May 21 edition of your newspaper that disparaged my integrity. Imagine my surprise when they told me that they had never heard of the Official Code of Georgia 32-6-51 or 16-7-58 that regulates and restricts the placement of campaign signs." Doesn't sound like he tried to hide the fact that he talked with you. Sounds like he answered your questions with a little more decorum that you granted him.

Submitted by kikenbutt on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 7:43am.

we get that you are an anti-Simmons ranting blogger. Mr. Hannah who claims to have grown up Southern, lacks all the Southern charm his mama tried to teach him. The only way he understands and knows is the power of intimidation. Representing himself as Mr. Sims neighbor, the protocol should have been; 1.a phone call to ask permission to speak in person 2. when approved by Mr. Simms (perhaps cold sweet tea would have been served) ask about the kids, talk about the weather and family 3.bring up the letter without quoting the Official Code of Georgia and speak in good ‘ole southern lingo. Perhaps a handshake and a thank-you for tea, ahhh, just dreaming, as it is quite apparent this action was quite the opposite. Mr. Hannah, quit intimidating…it’s called “abuse of power.”

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Submitted by Road Runner on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 7:57am.

and this proves why! Mr. Sims, thank you for not being intimidated by this kind of behavior and letting Fayette County know the facts. I for one don't want this one as sheriff.


Submitted by kikenbutt on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 8:09am.

do you remember when the audit came out? What was the deal with the $190,000 worth of computer and TVs missing? And the $75,000 handguns and the old ones being used as back up weapons? Found this MyFox news link www.myfoxatlanta.com click on the map and click on Atlanta and on the search section type in Fayette County Audit. Did they ever find those missing computers and TVs? Straighten out those travel records?

Also, was there two helicopters or just one? Couldn't find the outcome of that one either.

Thanks to all who remember when!

Submitted by McGerkin88 on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 1:28pm.

I am reading this forensic audit and find this quite disturbing. I wasn't paying attention enough I guess when this was such a big deal. But, at a function the other night, friends were talking about the sheriffs race. What I found interesting is the intimidation factor being discussed this forum and it coming up socially. In the conversation, someone knew of someone who new of a police officer that said that Hannah showed up at the station and started asking questions. Like, how do they feel about him, etc. What did Hannah expect them to say, when he is right in their faces. We all were a little taken back about this confrontation. Has anyone out there heard this story?

I am interested to know the outcome of the tvs and computers. Did they find all of them?

Submitted by sageadvice on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 1:38pm.

Boss Hogg and Buford T. Justice is whut weuns wont!

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Submitted by Road Runner on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 9:43am.

Is this what you are looking for,

Forensic Accounting Report
See page 6

Or

Audit finds loose accounting by sheriff

Your I-Team
I-Team: Fayette County Audit


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Submitted by secret squirrel on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 7:16am.

Nothing in your delightful defense of Mr. Hannah refutes or explains why the man decided to confront, uninvited, a citizen who made a public comment, regardless of the merits, about him in public. It's borderline stalking. I am curious as to whether this candidate for sheriff accosted Mr. Sims in uniform and/or in a government-owned vehicle and whether this was done during on-the-job hours.

Fine, Mr. Sims doesn't know Wayne Hannah as well as you do. Let's say Mr. Sims was completely off-base with his observations. Let's concede all that. Does it still not strike you as peculiar and somewhat creepy that this candidate for public office- a rather high profile public office- confronts a detractor at his home?

I can only imagine what Mr. Hannah would do if he were mayor of Peachtree City and had to endure some of the ridiculous character cheap-shots that Harold Logsdon has.


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Submitted by NUK_1 on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 8:09am.

This stunt reminds me of Steve Brown's last foray into the letters section when a person rather respectfully had written a letter disagreeing with Brown's antics, and he follows-up with another letter stating that person is a local real estate agent in PTC and blah, blah, blah. Not much different with Hannah's uninvited visit: an attempt through intimidation to silence an opponent. Not a smart move at all on Hannah's part and the kind of lack of foresight that doesn't bode all that well for someone who wants to be Sheriff and is expected to know better. This isn't 1950 and Sheriffs aren't gods any longer. If anything, they are a discredited idea from the past that have been racked with corruption and the worst aspects of good 'ol boy politics in the south. Whoever takes the Fayette County job had better be above the pettiness and overinflated egos of your typical sheriff elsewhere.


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 10:31am.

I would have like to have been there to better understand the situation. I suppose only Hannah and Sims truly know what transpired. If Hannah was bullying Sims then I say let's shoot feet out from under him. I'm just not jumping to conclusions on this one. I'm not even convinced that Hannah is the right man for the job. One thing I do know is that Simmons is not.

The tell all to me is how the the guys who have worked in the same department for years are viewing and treating each other. Let's say, for the sake of discussion, that Hannah is strong arming Babb and Mindar and will make their live hell for running for this office, then I want no part of Hannah. Same with Babb and Mindar. Problem is that this is where we are lacking crucial info. This is what I am waiting to find out in more detail. This will tell us a lot about each candidate.

I understand where your are coming from NUK with what you say. Don't misunderstand my concerns my friend. Or should I call you.....

Just kidding.

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"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".

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Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:23am.

As I have said before, we need to hire the sheriff--not elect one.

The fiasco with Bruce Jordan after so many years should indicate what can happen if someone is the boss for too long!

Why do we need politics and elections involved with someone who runs a jail, Protects and serves the courthouse, serves warrants, hunts moonshine stills, finds dope in the county, and talks to farmers about trouble?

I know he is a Constitutional officer, but that could continue, providing we had a hired police force to enforce all of the laws in the county just exactly like the cities do!

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 7:40am.

Stalking? No. Lacking of tact? Perhaps.

Law guys are direct guys. That is there job and I don't think Hannah meant anything intimidating with his visit. I really don't think think the meeting was that of intimidation as it was probably Hannah's effort to try to reach out just talk to Mr. Sims. Mr. Sims didn't come out and say he was threatened. What's Hannah going to do anyways? Perhaps Hannah was just making a neighborly visit to make peace. I've done that before only to have the other person use my hat in my hand as an opportunity to escalate hostilities. And then I've had times where it's worked and I walk away a new best friend. Smiling

Hannah should of picked up the phone and given Mr. Sims a call and requested a sit down. Now if you can prove that Hannah is a Victor Hill in disguise, I say let's take him down.

Personally I desire a tough on crime, slightly rough around the edges law man as our lead crime fighter. I'd rather have that than some well polished, soft on crime leader such as what we've seen with our DA.

Perhaps Mr. Sims and Hannah should break bread and settle this in private manner at this time. But then.... perhaps Mr. Sims is delighted that he's found something that he can perhaps twist to benefit his agenda. Evil

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Submitted by thenatural on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 9:24am.

Hey git,

What is your definition of intimidation?

A senior member of the Sheriff's department (and a candidate) shows up at your door as a direct response to a letter you wrote putting that person in a negative light and that is "lack of tact"?
The truth is that Mr. Sims felt in his mind, that Mr. Hannah's appearance at his doorstep was an attempt at intimidation. What Hannah may have intended is irrelevant.

Mr. Hannah is accustom to doing his job by using his training, his position and his physical stature to help evil doers understand who is in charge. Ideal skills for the street. The suggestion that the same tactics in any form are appropriate when dealing with people who simply disagree with you politically is a mistake.

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Submitted by THE BOSS on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:51am.

Maybe, but isn’t Hannah on leave from the SO?
The difference here is that Sheriff Randall Johnson knew how to delegate to Lieutenant Colonels to do odd tasks, why else have them. It’s called don’t get caught with your hand in the cookie jar.
Think about it, ball anyone?

Which brings to mind, What happened to that special prosecutor?

Special Prosecutor

What happened here? Did someone drop the ball?

“Ballard” great follow up!


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:02am.

A senior member of the Sheriff's department (and a candidate) shows up at your door as a direct response to a letter you wrote putting that person in a negative light and that is "lack of tact"?

Personally, I would get a kick out of it if the guy was decent and sincere. But, I understand your point and Mr. Sims. Again I wasn't there and I'm not convinced that Mr. Sims motives are pure. And I don't know what Hannah's attitude was and I'm not convinced that Mr. Sims isn't grinning and turning this into something more than it is to benefit his candidate. Kind of like whining about signs disappearing in the right-of-ways.

The truth is that Mr. Sims felt in his mind, that Mr. Hannah's appearance at his doorstep was an attempt at intimidation.

Attempt at intimidation? I've not heard anything that states that Hannah came to intimidate, only that it could be interpreted as such. Interpreted as such for convenient political fodder? Puzzled

What Hannah may have intended is irrelevant.

How unreasonable is that statement? Good grief buddy.

Mr. Hannah is accustom to doing his job by using his training, his position and his physical stature to help evil doers understand who is in charge. Ideal skills for the street. The suggestion that the same tactics in any form are appropriate when dealing with people who simply disagree with you politically is a mistake.

Oh, I agree 100%. Although my point was that perhaps that was not Hannah's objective. As I stated to NUK... if bullying Sims truly was his intent then I say Hannah needs to be put in his place.

However, if this is just a matter of Sims finding some pansy excuse to whine some more such as he did on the signs, then I say we give Sims a wedgie and a noogie and send him on his whining way. Evil

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"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".

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Submitted by thenatural on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 1:33pm.

GR,

I don't care whether Wayne Hannah visited Mr. Sims to bring him an apple pie, educate him on the law regarding signs, or scare him into silence, the point is, what did Mr. Sims PERCEIVE the intent of the visit to be. That's what is relevant.

We agree that there is probably much more to this whole affair than we will know, on both sides of the discussion. Whether this is political fodder or not, it should not have happened. Hannah had absolutely no business showing uninvited and unannounced at someone's house to discuss a letter that places him in a negative light. That is not what political candidates should do and we know it. If Hannah created "political fodder" than that is his fault. Mr. Sims did not go to his home, Hannah sought him out.

I am troubled by the possibility that, once "armed" with the full authority and resources as sheriff, how he may react next time someone says something unflattering about him.

Let me ask you this... if it was Scott Ballard coming to your home, uninvited, unannounced to discuss some of your postings, what do you think his attitude would be toward you? I doubt there would be any milk and cookies involved (unless you throw them at each other)

Submitted by kikenbutt on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:53am.

"Oh, I agree 100%. Although my point was that perhaps that was not Hannah's objective. As I stated to NUK... if bullying Sims truly was his intent then I say Hannah needs to be put in his place."

It's called having analytical thinking. Hannah should have played out in his mind what the consequences and perceptions would be. After all, he is running for Sheriff! Then, he and his ghost writers get together and admit this wrong doing for all residents to read and to reflect. I think we all are getting it.

When is that first debate?

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:58am.

It's called having analytical thinking. Hannah should have played out in his mind what the consequences and perceptions would be. After all, he is running for Sheriff!

Ok.. I agree. So we apply the same thing to your Detroit Mafia Cop Simmons and question his analytical thinking in allying himself with known, corrupt bad cops. "AFTER ALL, HE IS RUNNIG FOR SHERIFF!"

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Submitted by kikenbutt on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 1:22pm.

I am not going to take personally your sometimes middle school antics, but I will try to show you how to use your analytical brain power somewhat. As you have stated, you believe that the Sheriff should be hired not elected. Ok, agreed. But, that is not how it is done in today’s world. Simmons was elected and one of more than 100 elected in Detroit. Maybe even more I truly don’t know. You have to serve with who you work with, right? We all have to tolerate all kinds of people. One person cannot change a mafia ridden, crime ridden, gang ridden and corrupt city. All one can do, especially in this case, is protect, serve, command if you will, be the best that one can be under these circumstances. And that philosophy really goes for any office, business, city government and state etc, so, perhaps profiling Mr. Simmons into this clump of corruption is unfair. I have read some of the ranting posts from Tom1939 and still I do not find Mr. Simmons named in any of his posts. He wants us to “read between the lines” and surmise I guess. I have found articles that have been reported in this newspaper to remind us that all is and was not perfect in this SO either. There are 3 candidates who are banking on just that, coming up on Sheriff Johnson’s rein. Now, before you and others jump on that statement, I think they have done a fairly good job serving us and I thank them for it. However, I believe it is a time for change in this county and we need to be very cognizant that Fayette County is changing and changing fast. Do these 3 candidates, Hannah, Babb and Mindar have the “know how” to keep up with this change? Does it just take experience or do we need someone who has experience and education to take us and keep us in the 21st Century? Well, all this is debatable as you can see in some of the comments. I for one am ready to hear what all of them have to say, through the upcoming debates to decide. You however, have determined that Simmons is not our next Sheriff and I think most of us really understand your actual mode of operation in this case.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 3:47pm.

I thought police depts. hired their officers?

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 3:33pm.

I am not going to take personally your sometimes middle school antics, but I will try to show you how to use your analytical brain power somewhat.

Awww now... it does indeed appear you are taking it personally. So you're going to show me how it's done eh? LOL.

As you have stated, you believe that the Sheriff should be hired not elected.

Perhaps I should stop here and quit debating someone with such elementary school analytical. Before you attempt to teach me how to use my analytical skills perhaps you should first learn the skill of stating factual content. Dude... read my lips: I NEVER said our sheriff should be hired. Not only no but HELL no. I don't want to give any of the commissioners, past or present, that kind of authority or power.

Ok, agreed. But, that is not how it is done in today’s world.

Nope.. Not agreed. I want to elect my sheriff, not rely on some partisan political hack to appoint that person for us like happens way to often when a judicial seat is filled. You are obviously a fan of government control over people control. DO NOT lump me in the same category as those insane thoughts.

Simmons was elected and one of more than 100 elected in Detroit. Maybe even more I truly don’t know. You have to serve with who you work with, right?

From here out, you totally lose your mind and you want to try to straighten out MY analytical thinking skills? Puzzled Let's look at what you stated above. You said: "You have to serve with who you work with, right?

Well no Buttkicked. You do NOT have to serve with who you work with. If I'm surrounded by an unethical and corrupt bunch of crooks I am going to get the heck out there. Remember this about life: "We do what we want to do in life" and it's obvious that Simmons wanted to be right were he was. He was comfortable as a go-along-git-along in an extremely corrupt environment. I take issue with that. How about you?

We all have to tolerate all kinds of people.

No. We do not. Again.... are you insane? THAT mentality is what is contributing to the destruction of the social fabric in this country. Based on what you just stated, I should repent and tolerate Ballard, our soft on crime District Attorney. And if I am going to be tolerant, then I should tolerate the sexual predators that he's gotten off. Soooo.... If we should tolerate sexual predators then we should easily tolerate bad cops. Nope... you may shamelessly accept and tolerate evil, but count me out. I chose to fight and condemn it.

One person cannot change a mafia ridden, crime ridden, gang ridden and corrupt city.

Well, you've led us to believe Simmons was going to change our crime ridden, gang ridden and corrupt community along with our sheriffs office which you claim is corrupt. So which is it? If he didn't make a difference in Detroit, then why should we assume he'll straighten up our FCSO's alleged corruption as you put it?

Puzzled Sheesh... let's move on.

However, I believe it is a time for change in this county and we need to be very cognizant that Fayette County is changing and changing fast.

Let's address this change thang.... You've already stated that Simmons was unable to change anythang in good ole corrupt Detroit. So the only change that I can think of is a change of race. Is this what this is all about??? You've admitted that he's not going to change crime, gangs and corruption. Well that's why I would want to make a change in leadership. So why should we believe "change" is necessary with the guys that are fighting crime, gangs and corruption now?

So the only change Simmons offers in a change of leadership is that of race? Assuming that we are only 26% minority in Fayette County at this point, why would then would we need to make that change? Soooo it seems at this point we really don't need to make a change.

CHANGE.... JUST FOR THE SAKE OF CHANGE

Gee, where have we heard that lately?

Why I'm bothering to go on with your logic it is beyond me... but I'll continue to play along.

Well, all this is debatable as you can see in some of the comments. I for one am ready to hear what all of them have to say, through the upcoming debates to decide

Don't pee my foot and try to tell me it's raining. You've already decided. Now you're starting to sound like our Barney Rubble, Grif Guy, Dishonestguy4 Ballard dude.

You however, have determined that Simmons is not our next Sheriff....

Yes, I've determined that Detroit Simmons is not our next Sheriff, just as you have determined the other 3 candidates are not qualified. So what's your point?

Now for the good stuff....

and I think most of us really understand your actual mode of operation in this case.

Well Mr. Analytical GittenYourButtKicked.... just what is my actual mode of operation in this case? Tell me what my agenda is? Yours was made clear several years ago. Your agenda is the revenge you desire to extract because of your failure to take Randall Johnson down via several attempts through several different methods. You failed and it's still killing your selfish and bruised egos.

Now tell us what my mode of operation is?

You sure do sound alot like our old traitor friend Harlold Bost. Evil

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Submitted by kikenbutt on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 7:02pm.

Dude... read my lips: I NEVER said our sheriff should be hired. Not only no but HELL no. I don't want to give any of the commissioners, past or present that kind of authority or power. My bad, I attributed a statement to you that was actually another blogger’s. I can only apologize and move on.

You are obviously a fan of government control over people control. Nope, just an old fashioned believer of “We the People.”

Well no Buttkicked. You do NOT have to serve with who you work with. If I'm surrounded by an unethical and corrupt bunch of crooks I am going to get the heck out there. Remember this about life: "We do what we want to do in life" and it's obvious that Simmons wanted to be right were he was. He was comfortable as a go-along-git-along in an extremely corrupt environment. I take issue with that. How about you? Good for you! I for one have had to at times make compromises in my professional life in order to keep a roof over my family’s head. Some of the people I have had to work under, over and beside are not the kind I would invite to dinner, but it was my job to work with them and do the best job I could do. So perhaps I am willing to look at Simmons’ performance within that environment rather than paint him with the same brush as his Detroit superiors.

Well, you've led us to believe Simmons was going to change our crime ridden, gang ridden and corrupt community along with our sheriff’s office which you claim is corrupt. So which is it? If he didn't make a difference in Detroit, then why should we assume he'll straighten up our FCSO's alleged corruption as you put it?
Where did my statements lead you to believe that FCSO was Detroit? I hope that we will not become a “Detroit.” I believe that Change and New Blood will keep us from becoming one. By this I believe a positive change from a system/culture of cronyism that has been the mode of operations for so long. Race has nothing to do with Simmons obvious qualifications over his opponents unless of course you feel your race loyalties trump Simmons’ Bachelors of Science Degree - Criminal Justice, Master's Degree - Disciplinary Technology, Graduate FBI National Academy, ASIS Certified Protection Professional, and a Georgia Certified Peace Officer. I have also read all the Letters to the Editor and found them to be "right on."

Well Mr. Analytical GittenYourButtKicked.... just what is my actual mode of operation in this case? Tell me what my agenda is? Yours was made clear several years ago. Your agenda is the revenge you desire to extract because of your failure to take Randall Johnson down via several attempts through several different methods. You failed and it's still killing your selfish and bruised egos. Now tell us what my mode of operation is? You sure do sound alot like our old traitor friend Harlold Bost
Whew! Your attack is misdirected, I am NOT who you think I am but I do not take offense to the comparison. My agenda has been stated, I want the most qualified candidate for Sheriff elected. Yes, we must look at the past for guidance; remember the adage “those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.” My point is that Simmons, although he worked in a corrupt system, was himself not corrupt. Therefore if elected to our own crony redden SO, Simmons will again overcome the status quo and will perhaps prepare our officer’s for the new reality they will be facing in the coming years.

I will add here that I am waiting for the debates as I would like to hear from the other candidates. I have only read one letter from Hannah. Nothing from the other two. I welcome the opportunity through the debates to hear from all of them, since the debates have evidently been the only venue available.

Submitted by susieq on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 10:31pm.

Git,
It sounds like you are the one who is really kickenbutt!!!!!!!

Submitted by thenatural on Tue, 06/03/2008 - 5:31pm.

So much for hoping that things would change at the sheriff's department with the retirement of Randall Johnson. This is the same stuff that occurred when Bruce Jordan was running things.

Mr. Hannah is off my list of people who will get my vote.

Submitted by kikenbutt on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 10:26am.

it is amusing that such negativism from a few continues against Simmons when there is so many skeletons in this Sheriff's closet!

Here is yet another article located from the archives of this newspaper.

Sheriff puts top detective ‘on leave’
Fri, 09/08/2006 - 4:03pm
By: John Munford

Internal investigation to focus on security detail for youth baseball team

The chief detective of the Fayette County Sheriff’s Office was placed on administrative leave Friday pending an internal investigation sparked by a TV news report about two deputies being paid to provide security for a local youth baseball team at a tournament in Tennessee.

Fayette County Sheriff Randall Johnson confirmed the status of Lt. Col. Bruce Jordan Friday afternoon. Johnson said he hoped the investigation would be wrapped up by Tuesday or Wednesday and he will elaborate further once the investigation is concluded.

Johnson did say he was “disappointed” with the way the matter appears at this point.

Jordan’s son Hayden plays for the team that received the security detail, the Fayette Bulldogs, a team in the Fayette County’s Recreation Department league, Jordan confirmed.

The investigative report on Fox5 Atlanta focused on two detectives in Jordan's Criminal Investigation Division who were paid with what was reported as funds from drug seizures to provide security for a youth baseball team that Jordan’s son plays on.

Thursday afternoon before the TV report aired, Jordan said that when the Fayette Bulldogs beat the Georgia Reds at a tournament in Fayetteville last month, one of the Reds' coaches threatened the Fayette team.

“He said something like, ‘We’ll see what happens when you don’t have all these cops around,” Jordan recalled, noting that he didn't personally hear the threat.

The Bulldogs were to face the Reds again in the Tennessee tournament, Jordan explained.

On the TV report, Jordan said he was unaware the two detectives had been paid from the sheriff’s drug fund, which consists of proceeds seized from drug dealers.

Jordan said he wrote a check to pay back the sheriff’s office for the security although he initially thought the American Amateur Baseball Congress which hosted the Tennessee tournament was going to reimburse the sheriff’s department. Jordan said he later learned the AABC would not reimburse the funds.

Although the Fox5 report stated that Jordan didn’t cut his personal check until two days after the TV station sought related records in a written request, Jordan told The Citizen Thursday that he was unaware the open records request had been filed at the time. He added that the check had cleared the bank by the time the Fox5 reporter spoke to him.

“I hadn’t seen it (the open records request) until yesterday,” Jordan said Thursday.

Jordan said the sheriff’s department has sent deputies on security details with school field trips and he didn’t think this situation was any different, particularly because of the reported threats.

The Fox5 report stated that the coach of the Georgia Reds told the station that while he and the team taunted the Fayetteville team, they did not threaten them.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 3:45pm.

When wrong doing was found it was dealt with immediately by Sheriff Johnson.

In Detroit the "top officials" overlooked white collar crime and basically obstructed justice for 14yrs while the U.S. Justice Dept. investigated. It took 14yrs. but the police chief was indicted.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:09am.

Jordan is gone!!! Puzzled

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Submitted by THE BOSS on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:45am.

you’ve had them all

Sounds like all Lieutenant Colonels are trained the same way at the FCSO.
History is a strange thing, if you don’t learn something from it.
Ball anyone?


Submitted by kikenbutt on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:39am.

Jordan is gone! He was still under the command of Sheriff Randall Johnson. So, will Mindar, Babb or Hannah be another Jordan? That is the true question since their claim to fame is being reared and trained under this retiring Sheriff's rein.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:53am.

That Hannah, Mindar and Babb are another Jordan. If so let's can them. Your question as to "will" serves as proof that you characters are desperate to find some dirt on these guys, cuz you know your candidate is severely flawed and your hatred of Johnson putting you in your place several years ago is just driving you guys freaking nuts. That goes to you to Dunn the wannabe Boss.

You guys sound like and make about as much sense as a bunch of Democrats trying to convince us that George Bush created Hurricane Katrina to get rid of Black folk.

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Submitted by kikenbutt on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 12:31pm.

care to comment on what's the plan if Mr. Hannah takes command?

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Submitted by Road Runner on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 10:33am.

the Fox5 report about that mess! By the way, funny we never heard anything else about it...hmmmmmmm?


Submitted by kikenbutt on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:41am.

heard some comments the other day about the Beverly Watson fiasco! Remember that!

What ever happened to their daughter? Did that helicopter experience scare her away?

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Submitted by THE BOSS on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 12:05pm.

Wow,
Talk about history, stir the pot, keep it hot.


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Submitted by Road Runner on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 11:55am.

about that fiasco also! That helicopter experience was something else, wasn't it. I heard the copter was close to her house...real close!


Submitted by kikenbutt on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 12:28pm.

they settled on "training exercises." Close? They were peeking in her bedroom I understand. Sure sounded like another intimidation factor to me from the Sheriff's command again.

Keep up those letters Mr. Hannah, folks are a talkin'.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 12:00pm.

Since Bruce is gone. Smiling

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