Proposal: PTC foot $21M for rink, sports complex

Tue, 06/03/2008 - 3:34pm
By: John Munford

Fitness club owner and former mayoral candidate Dar Thompson is proposing that Peachtree City issue $21 million in bond financing to pay for a new recreation complex on existing city-owned land with two ice rinks, one of which could be converted for indoor use for sports such as soccer and lacrosse.

Thompson is also proposing to build four basketball and volleyball courts, two meeting rooms, a potential teen center and 19 acres of trails for cross country, jogging and passive uses. Those would be operated by the city’s recreation department, Thompson said.

Also, he is proposing to build a privately-funded fitness center, which would be leased from the city over a 20-year period by his Better Bodies Fitness company for an estimated $3.2 million. Likewise, the ice rink complex would be leased for $7.2 million over 20 years by Center Ice Inc., a company that was founded to pursue a multiple rink ice sports facility. According to Thompson, most of the city’s rink construction costs will be recouped in that deal.

The complex would be built on the northern undeveloped portion of the current Hwy. 74 North Baseball and Soccer Complex that is owned and operated by the city.

The City Council is slated to discuss the proposal at the end of its meeting Thursday night at City Hall.

Using bond financing for such a project would require voter approval, but first council must approve putting such a referendum on the ballot.

Thompson owns several Gold’s Gym facilities in the area and has been unsuccessful in two recent bids for public office for the mayor’s seat and as a city council member.

The main ice rink would seat up to 1,200 people and a secondary rink would seat 300; both would be used to host “at least four tournaments a year” for an estimated guest total of 6,000 and an estimated gross revenue of $2.4 million.

Plans are to offer youth and adult ice hockey leagues along with figure skating and public skating.

If the main rink’s ice is covered, it could seat up to 2,200 people, Thompson said.

The facility would also include two meeting/banquet rooms that would be served by a kitchen and possibly used by civic groups. The potential “teen center” would be located above those rooms. The parking lot would have room for 850 cars, projected to be adequate for handling the tournament traffic and also serve as overflow parking for the baseball and soccer fields.

Thompson is also proposing that in the future the site could be used for a performing arts theater, but funding for that is not included in the bond referendum.

Thompson argues that the bond will cost the average household between $6 and $9 a month, which works out to $72-108 a year. He argues the project will give the city an edge when competing for families coming to live in Atlanta from areas that have had strong ice hockey and skating programs.

“The south side of Atlanta is in need of an economic stimulus and the addition of the ice venues will certainly help to lure those Northwest Airlines families to the Peachtree City and Fayette County area,” Thompson said. He noted that Northwest’s home state, Minnesota, has more than 300 ice rinks.

The fitness center, which would be a two-story 30,000-square-foot facility, is a “natural fit” because parents will be able to drop off their children for sports activities and use the facility while they wait for their children to be finished, Thompson said. He added that the fitness center was “kind of an afterthought” to the project and wasn’t included in the original proposal.

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Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 6:32am.

Much as the residents of PTC would love to buy a buisness for you to make money off of.....we don't have the jack!.

Why don't we have the jack??

Because of the ILLEGAL TENNIS CENTER LOAN!!!!

You can buy the tennis center from us, take over the illegal loan and run it however you want too.

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 10:46pm.

is what is needed in this county. Fitness, youth activities, elderly services, day camp, performance arts venues.....the list goes on. Coweta has the Summit, and their real estate market is healthier than ours.
While we must be prudent about spending, having high quality amenities keeps a county full of high quality residents. Without quality recreational outlets, we will experience depreciation in standard of life here in this county.

Submitted by buckstopshere on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 9:59pm.

This bond will benefit what? Whom? I think this is just plain STUPID!!!Is this being proposed so that the teens can have a better place to make their bottle bombs? It isn't going to be built on a dump or anything...is it? Can we say police department fiasco? Can we say tennis center? Are you kidding me? This is just so...typical...PTC.. and the silent powers that be...somebody hold my hair...I'm gonna hurl!!!!!!!!

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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 7:22pm.

No disrespect indended. Dar, but are you nuts?????

Millions of dollars spent to attract Yankees to Peachtree City - like there arn't enough of them here already.

Please run the gym and stay out of the city's business. Thanks for your help, but no thank you.


Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 6:25pm.

We need a teen complex for studying, computer usage, training classes,
basketball, running, library, etc.
We do not need Ice Hockey!
What we really need is a facility like Starrs Mill has for stage presentations----an auditorium. Also similar to what Clayton County has for regional band concerts, etc.

I might ad also that fitness clubs in this country have flourished and un-flourished several times over the years.
They are one of the first to go in a recession or depression.
They are usually heavily mortgaged and the only assets they have are lists of names.
They also require a full turnover every year or two.
We even tore one down in PTC several years ago at the WestPark Walk area that was half finished.
Con artists used to work those things also.
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts!

Submitted by PTC_factchecker on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 8:25pm.

I don't mean the ice rink idea - I actually think that's a good idea, if it's done properly...more on that in a few lines.

But I want to comment on the "wisdom" (?) of the assertions of sageadvice...

1. "We need a teen complex for studying, computer usage..." Got that - it's called the library. Maybe you should get out a bit more.

2. "...basketball, running, library". Got that - it's called Riley Field (track), or McIntosh High School, Booth Middle School, Starr's Mill High School...should I go on?

3. "What we really need is a facility like Starrs Mill has for stage presentations..." - Got that, it's called STARR'S MILL. Has anyone ever considered using EXISTING RESOURCES for these things, or is that just too outside the box?

4. "Fitness clubs in this country have flourished and un-flourished". While that might be true, how come we've got at least three big ones in PTC, at least three in Fayetteville, a YMCA and at least three or more in Newnan. That doesn't scream to me that the market is waning.

5. "We do not need Ice Hockey". Says you. I say there are thousands in the area (Fayette, Coweta, Henry, Spalding) that would find an ice rink for hockey, figure skating or just pleasure skating to be a fantastic addition to the area. Those in the "hockey community" on this side of town (did you know that one of the owners of the Gwinnett Gladiators lives in Coweta County?) have been trying to get something like this started for years.

Now, that said, the City has no business RUNNING this operation. If there is property available and a funding source to build the facility (which includes much more than just the ice rink and looks like it could serve a great many other uses for the burgeoning lacrosse and football programs around here, not to mention the plethora of soccer), and the voters could see the long term viability, then I think it could work. Now what I'd want to see is this.

1. A guaranteed return on the lease with a substantial penalty for early termination.
2. A revenue share with the City based on a percentage basis - it would be in the lessee's best interest to make as much money as they could.
3. A bond strategy that would require the City to, if the voters vote it in, increase taxes (not try to mitigate it into "other tax savings"...if the voters vote it in, then they MUST pay for it in addition to the other items in the budgets.
3a. The City Council needs to be able to see the books for this facility, the same way they are with the assets they own that the Tourism Association runs. Note I didn't say they need to approve the books, but they need to be able to see them whenever they want and get regular updates on it. The problem with the Tennis Center is everybody assumed everything was fine. That is what can't happen again.
4. A strong partnership with the Atlanta Thrashers. For those of you living under rock, that's the NHL team that plays in Atlanta. Maybe some of you should come to Philips Arena and see a game, and actually see how hockey is growing and expanding throughout the South.

Doing something like this can show that PTC is forward-thinking and wanting to keep residents in the area (and get others to move here with lots of disposable income). If you haven't figured it out, hockey is an EXPENSIVE sport to play, which usually means that people have money to play it. People who have money buy things.

I also think there may be some duplication of services in recreation (why do schools have gyms, and the City have a gym, especially if they could be used by all?). I think looking at partnerships like this or school-City combinations would help to maximize the things we already have and help diversify the myriad of offerings this great area has.

Submitted by sageadvice on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 7:28am.

This is the same old crap brought out everytime someone wants to give our teenagers something to do except roam the cart paths.

They know the school system WILL NOT allow full usage of their facilities for the public.

Hockey expensive! Well then 2/3 of our kids couldn't afford it. It is for adults is what it is.

I could go on ,but this is a slam against kids costs.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 7:44am.

As in the kids in PTC could use good parents. Sadly good parents here are rarer than hens teeth.

The parents should absorb the cost of their kids activities. If you can't afford them stop having them. After reading the cop reports week after week most of you arent' capable of being good parents anyway. Give up already.

Submitted by sageadvice on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 9:32am.

How much should a parent have in the bank as opposed to their debts to be allowed to have children?

Your suggestions are why we have kids that are trouble!

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Submitted by snappynappy on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 5:01pm.

I know where the BSC on Hwy 74 South is, but is there another complex on Hwy 74 North ?


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Submitted by Mike King on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 4:25pm.

In light of the budget constraints due to decreased revenues and the ever increasing price of gasoline, food, etc only we in Peachtree City would get such a proposal.

Now simply is not the time, and if it was would it not resemble a recent Tennis Center fiasco? I see no valid reason that I should pay an additional $100.00 or so for an indeterminite amount of time for something a scant minority of our citizens would use.

Just my two cents worth.


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Submitted by JAFO 72 on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 4:54pm.

There are a couple of reasons that Mr. Thompson has failed in his two attempts to gain politcal access to this city. First, his business aspirations tend to lead people to think that he will put the dollar signs (his own) in front of the city's priorities. Second, the guy expects the citizens of this city to front a bill for something that is to be utilized by less than one percent of the population. Ice sports? Really? Come on Dar! My property taxes are already high enough, and they're getting higher.

Again, let's pay for the crumbling infrastructure that we already have, including existing unfinished projects, before taking on new hockey rinks. How about refurbishing the Fred?

"The one constant in all of your failed relationships is you."


Submitted by PTC_factchecker on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 8:55pm.

So here are some random thoughts for you...

"...that is likely to be utilized by less than one percent of the population".

OK, population is 36,000 in PTC. One percent is 360.

Right now, roller hockey in PTC has six leagues (8U, 10U, 12U, 14U, 18U, Adult A, Adult 30 and over). This past season, there were 360 players that played in the PTC league. That's one percent on the nose!

Here's the problem with that - there are waiting lists every year in at least one of the leagues. Teams are having to split practice times and rush to get in and out. And that's not counting the rink in McDonough and the players that filled leagues at the old Ice Forum in Southlake (which closed more due to bad management than lack of players). And by having a facility like that, could you draw a lot more folks to the area? Yep...name another ice facility south of I-20....see Columbus for that.

I think the facility would be used, and probably used well.

"My property taxes are already high enough, and they're getting higher". I really want to know people who can't afford $100 in a year. That's $8 per month, or an entree at a restaurant - no drink, no app, just an entree. So if you're telling me that you can't afford that, tell me how you can afford Internet access and that computer you're typing on?

"How about refurbishing the Fred?" Guess you haven't been there this season. Oh wait, you can't afford the $45 ticket (that's 5 months of taxes). Unless you're expecting caviar from the concession stand, I think that the amphitheater is improving the facility. Now if they would only get acts that people want to see...

And now the bad news...

Will this rink proposal actually happen? I don't think it will, at least not from the City, because it's too politically dangerous to do.

So, if you want a hockey rink, folks, find some private investors and ask the City for the land....

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Submitted by Mike King on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 9:59am.

Just a note to at least point out that irregardless of your view as to the feasability of Dar's proposal, it is not the amount of the proposed tax increase to which I object. I object to having any of my taxes fund a private enterprise.

Peachtree City has a nasty habit of presenting really "good ideas" with the public's money only to be wasted time and time again. One only needs to consider the police headquarters, the Tennis Center, or even the overpriced Huddleston Pond project before realizing the track record we possess.

If it is such a good idea and profitable, then why has private funding not been sought and the project ongoing? I would suggest taking a hard look at the property currently owned by the mayor's buddy at Capital City Development and see if he would entertain the rink idea vice 175,000 square feet of retail space.

Just my two cents worth.


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Submitted by JAFO 72 on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 7:38am.

I know you want to dispute my wording of "less than 1%" versus right on the nose 1%. That's a bit frivolous, but I'll give you that one. My point in saying that our property taxes are high enough goes to another point. If we continue adding $100 to every PTC citizen’s taxes for every little project that comes along we will soon bankrupt those that live here. I can afford an $8 dollar meal. I cannot afford an $8 meal everyday for 360 people. So, thank you for your miserable attempt to attack my paycheck.
No, I have not been to the Fred this season; however I did attend several concerts last year. It does need work, as well as a better venue. Having Huey Lewis & The News perform seemed to help.
In case you have forgotten Peachtree City was to have been a "Planned Community". From the actions of our civic leaders, it looks like the plan is crumbling.

"The one constant in all of your failed relationships is you."


Submitted by sageadvice on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 7:36am.

For Ice Hockey!

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