The County could sell the station to finance a new one. The building has 3 bays with finished office space and could immediately be used for truck repair.

The 2 acres you are referring to were NOT lost because Tyrone officials didn't build sidewalks or cart paths. As a zoning condition, John Wieland agreed to build the cart paths so that he could get his neighborhood approved. After he saw that putting the paths in would cost more than the parcel of land, which was useless to him anyway, was worth he came up with a plan...

About the same time, Tyrone was in the process of planning its new library and Wieland pounced on what he thought would be a golden opportunity and offered to give Tyrone that 2 acres in exchange for removing the zoning restriction that he build the paths. Tyrone turned him down because they already owned the land on Commerce for the library. This action saved the taxpayers the money it would have cost them to build the paths. Now Mr. Wieland is still stuck with a useless piece of property and the requirement to eventually build the paths.

All of this info is available in published minutes for those of you who would prefer to base your gripes on fact rather than "little birds".

BTW, why is it Tyrone's responsibility to provide property for the fire department's new building? Tyrone doesn't operate that fire department, Fayette County does. Tyrone citizen's responsibilities end at paying our taxes. OBB never ceases to prove my point - she bases her posts on feelings rather than fact.

I would like to know more. There is need of sidewalks and golf paths to make that road good for W'lands homeowners. BB is right, everyone lost.
"Tyrone looses 200,000. piece of property because they won't fork out the money for a truck load of cement to build a golf cart path promised to a developer. They are too turned on to making a 'traffic trap',(like that one better?) Hiring more police to write tickets when a few traffic lights would work."

case made...we all know...and that is the end of it.

I've been reading this blog and concluded that Tyrone is an intellectual septic tank.

Please elaborate on your conclusion.

Don't judge our town because of one narrow-minded individual. OBB seems to have a problem with everyone in Tyrone. It seems she is a bit morose and wants everyone else to feel the same way.

Flush the toilet. Send the crap down to the intellectual septic tank.

and so did a friend. We both knew we didn't do anything wrong. We walked out of Fayette court much cheaper than what is posted on your web site thats for sure. What a ripp off. I think you are one of the boys in blue or the thingy for Tyrone anyway.

OBB and too bad,

I have an idea for you that will completely eliminate your need to chose between municipal and state court, the fines that they impose etc.

Try obeying the law. It works every time.

or Tyrone anymore. Just avoid the traps and go right on to PTC. Why bother ?

They are only traps for the people who don't follow the law.

I believe that I too shall be avoiding Tyrone. PTC is a nice place and I have not sprung any traps here yet.

Wikipedia: speed trap
Cities or road sections become know as speed traps where police have a reputation for writing an unusally high numer of traffic tickets, especially speeding tickets. Sometimes the posted speed limits are not easley seen, in others, the limits might be set excessively low. In many of these uses, the term speed trap connotes SPEED LIMIT ENFORCEMENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF TICKET REVENUE instead of saftey.

Examples of speed traps include their usage in the town of Big Cabin, Oklahoma, which raised three-fourths of its revenue from traffic citations, and a significant percentage of that was related to a section of highway where the speed limit dropped from 55 mph to 45 mph.[citation needed] The state of Oklahoma enacted a law in 2004 that penalizes towns where the citation revenue exceeds 50% of the annual budget.[3]

In response to speed trap towns such as Iowa Colony, Texas, the Texas Legislature limited the revenue that smaller cities may collect from traffic tickets. All funds in excess of this amount are remitted to the state. Oregon and other states have similar laws.

Another tactic to limit speed traps is to reserve traffic law enforcement on numbered highways to state police or a similar entity.

Pennsylvania Municipal Police Officers are not allowed to enforce speed limits with RADAR speed detection devices. Instead devices such as VASCAR, and ESP are used. In these techniques, a distance is defined between two white lines, or another method of marking, and the time it takes the vehicle to traverse the distance is recorded.

The prohibition of this kind of "speed traps" followed after a series of successful defences that argued inadmissible error margin in human timing.

So, once again, what does Tyrone PD catching you and others running red lights have to do with a "speed trap?" Hence the word, speed, and your reference to the Wikipedia definition which involves law enforcement use of radar or other speed detection device for the purpose of issuing an abundance of SPEEDING citations and creating revenue for the particular area. You don't get it here, which makes me wonder why you didn't understand when the officer explained to you why you were receiving a citation for running a stop sign also!

is a word used to describe a place where there are an unusal amount ot tickets written. I want to draw your attention to I never referenced a red light. I referenced a stop sign. A speed trap is something where the police word is taken against yours when you are positive you didn't do the crime, but the town makes money off the tickets. You don't have to be ...speeding...The Tyrone police have video in their cars and on the citations it says video...yes or no. On mine, and a couple of others who went to court all said we would prove we didn't run the stop signs due to the video, all were marked yes...but then we found out they didn't have it on. They could/should use it at the stop signs to prove you ran them, but they don't turn it on so it is your word against theirs and the judge sides with them. I know that makes normal people wonder why, maybe these people could use it in court to prove they didn't run the stop signs. Again, a speed trap is something that is used to make money, more than keep people safe.

First of all, yes I improperly mentioned you ran a red light in my last post. Stop sign was the correct offense. However, running stop signs or red lights does not constitute a "speed trap." Speed traps are solely where a law enforcement agency utilizes writing an abundance of citations for speeding, nothing else. Again, hence the word SPEED Trap.

Regarding the use of the videotape, I am sorry that you were not properly informed that the video cameras in most patrol cars do not activate until the emergency lights are activated. This is to record the stop and the contact with the citizen. It can be used to record the offense, yes. However, that is not the policy of the TPD obviously and many other agencies. You can certainly write the Mayor and Police Chief to request them change that policy.

Every day OBB there is a police officer in America who arrests someone or issues a citation to someone who "didn't do it." Do you know how many times law enforcement officers hear that a person who was arrested for a DUI claims to have only consumed "two beers" despite they are falling down drunk, or someone ran from the police because they were "scared." So just because you say you didn't run a stop sign is a valid defense too, huh?

I will also say that sometimes there are bad seeds (officers) out there who may falsify an offense. Atlanta PD had some officers recently who proved that. I would also bargain though, that the officer in question of your offense is not in any way similar to those bad seeds and was doing his/her job! You just didn't like the outcome!

Yes they are doing there job but sometimes you have to scratch your head and wonder.

Here in Fayetteville there used to be a school bus stop off of a sweeping right turn from South Jeff Davis onto North Jeff Davis. In the past, a school bus will would start its caution lights as it begins its turn on South Jeff Davis onto North Jeff Davis and then the its red lights would come on. A lot of drivers did not notice this and inadvertently passed the bus going south on North Jeff Davis/Jimmy Mayfield as it was stopped. All the FCSD had to do was to wait on Johnson Street about 300 feet from the station and catch the unsuspecting motorist.

The part that I, for the life of me, can't figure out is that instead of trying to understand why this spot was such an goldmine or easy pickens they just continued to write tickets. Finally someone either complained and or got the attention of an school and or city/county official and they changed the location of the bus stop and posted warning signs. Unfortunately, everyone that got tickets and points deducted form their driver license are simply out of luck.

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Hey, Cyclist!

I don't disagree with you on particular "spots" that law enforcement officers work on a regular basis. I would argue more on behalf of law enforcement to say that these areas are more heavily enforced due to the amount of infractions and usually due to citizen complaints than to say they are just out there to give people a ticket. To the disbelief of many, officers don't have a quota to fulfill!

The point is if a particular location like this bus stop has an unusually high number of compliance escapes there has got to be a reason why. Simply writing tickets does not make that location safe. As in this bus stop, it was human factors in which auto drivers were not able to react to the bus's stop lights after its turn because they were focusing ahead to merge into one lane and then positioning for traffic trying to make a left turns onto South Jeff Davis. Fortunalty, this has all been resolved since they moved the stop.

The best or crummiest, depending on you point of view, is in Hapeville. There are two intersections not more than 100 feet apart both with stop signs. It's very easy to focus ahead and see the furthest stop sign and not the closest. The result is that you can inadvertently run a stop sign. Now guess who is waiting between the two stop signs; thats right, Hapeville PD.

We'll save the discussion about the times when Riverdale PD told me I had to get off GA 85 and ride on the sidewalk when I was communting to and from the airport.
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Ah, yes Hapeville. And we can't forget to mention the City of East Point out on 285, or College Park as you come up on the airport, or Union City as they sit beside Gene Evans on 85! All good spots for catching some action, yes. There are many other spots in Fayette as well, and as River also mentions Hwy 85 South near Bernhard Rd. When Fayetteville first got a traffic unit back in early 90's, you would always see PD units sitting either in median of 85 north near Pavilion area or on 54 east or west running radar. Guaranteed you could catch someone doing well over 20 miles over the limit. That didn't mean they had to go out and trump up some offense on people like OBB wants people to think officers do all the time. It simply means that there were then, and still are now certain spots to hit to catch some serious traffic offenses. I guarantee, River and Cyclist, that these areas you mention are quite often referred to in phone complaints to mayors, police chiefs, and other officials prompting action by many officers.

DroopyDawg, I'm not a conspiracy theorist like Oldbeachbear seems to be on this topic, but one spot that one Fayette trooper just seems to love to death is the stretch of Bernhard Road between Redwine and Ga. 85, especially at about 7:30 every morning. Every morning, I have to go east on Bernhard, and then make a left onto Ga. 85. The trooper (or deputy) is in a medium brown Fayette Co. Sheriff's Dept. unit. That stretch is usually lightly traveled, and it's very easy to pick up speed on the long downhill. Now I've never gotten ticketed there, but that has been mostly luck. (and a radar detector) I've seen a number of other motorists getting ticketed, and none of them was driving recklessly.

Here's my beef--the intersection of Bernhard and Ga. 85 is dangerous, especially at 7:30am. This is because the majority of people traveling north on 85 are going well over the speed limit, making it very difficult for Bernhard traffic to pull out during rush hour situations where there are few gaps between clumps of traffic. Sometimes, you see 8-12 cars backed up on Bernhard, waiting their turn to pull out.

That radar unit that so loves to catch people on the empty stretch of Bernhard could spend the same time patrolling Ga. 85 just south of Bernhard. This would have the effect of slowing down some of the cars on 85, don't you think? I would suggest a red light, but the problem at that intersection is only during the rush hours.

I guess my point is that I would like to see traffic enforcement concentrate on areas where it will do the most good preventing accidents, not where it will snag the most motorists.

Hey, River I can't address that particular reason why that deputy sits there in that spot, but I am sure he/she feels they are preventing accidents and doing effective traffic enforcement by sitting in that location. I don't travel that area often, so I can't speak of the normal flow of traffic during those hours.

Some areas of Hwy 85 don't allow for officers to operate radar/laser due to visibility and shoulder access for example. Now, they can certainly catch you with moving radar, but then they have to find somewhere to turn around and catch up to you. With the amount of traffic during that time, it may pose more of a threat pursuing you in that case than that of the initial violation.

I can see that it would be hard to pursue a speeder in that stretch of 85, especially during rush hour. The last thing anybody wants is to cause an accident that way.

I mean, fishermen keep going back to the spots where the fish bite, correct?

You give yourself away saying that the officer/since you are vouching for/know them/ is above reproach.

You are
1. with the tyrone police
2. biased
3. not too bright
"will also say that sometimes there are bad seeds (officers) out there who may falsify an offense. Atlanta PD had some officers recently who proved that. I would also bargain though, that the officer in question of your offense is not in any way similar to those bad seeds and was doing his/her job! You just didn't like the outcome!"

You are right on one thing...I didn't like the outcome, and everyone told me I knew how it would turn out, but, I asked the judge point blank in court , will you give our words as much credit as the police. That is why I stood on principle. What you might want to ask yourself, is why at least 4 people out of 6 that day, had the same policewoman, all saying the same thing. You can throw rocks at me, but we were all middle aged, normal woman, taking it all the way, cause we knew we didn't do it. There is a truth to that, we didn't know each other and all had problems with your policeperson ...above reproach... who only turns on her video...after the fact...rather than to prove ...is WRONG! If you wanted to prove what happened you would keep the video on...it isn't like you run out of tape...you are stacking the deck. your attitude is the essence of the speed trap mentality!

You give yourself away

No, ma'am. Wrong on all accounts. Not with Tyrone PD, nor do I know the particular officer in question. And personally, I do think I am a bit brighter than you probably think. I do understand you are upset about receiving a ticket, as would most people be. Don't know of many who ever felt they truly deserved a ticket.

I really would also like to know what does age, sex, and normal?? have to do with anything. I would think that everyone who gets pulled over by the police would either be A) male or B) female. I can't say that women are targeted more than men, but you may have some insight on Tyrone PD only stopping female drivers to share with us. Secondly, when did Tyrone PD only stop middle aged drivers. It is kind of hard to sit in a patrol car and only single out the middle aged crowd to me, but again maybe Tyrone PD has some sort of device that detects age when you pass by???

you like to try to twist things. The point about the middle aged woman was not implying they sought us out. I never said anything like that and you know it. The point is, middle aged women have other things to do, don't have a bad driving record, and wouldn't just be there to pass the time of day. It was that we were way past the hot rod stage, although, in addition to us, there were two Mothers there with their sons. One was counting heavely on having that video that was checked yes on the ticket.

Enough people have written in about questionable stop areas and the fact that they are not corrected, but simply left that way as a ticket haven, when the police could be of help to the saftey of the public in other places.

We have a very dangerous 4 way on arrowood, swanson, and tyrone-palmeto. It has an extremly sharp right turn that can't be made well unless you are in a very small car. Instead of fixing it,it is ticket heaven. Unless someone stops behind the line on Palmeto going into Tyrone, the cars trying to turn right off Swanson will hit them. I've tried to make that turn and the trafic on Palmeto has to back up. The turn is too sharp. For the cars that do stop, they also have to pull up into the 4way to see if anyone is coming from Swanson, cause they can't see because of the shrubs there. Instead of directing traffic there, or fixing it...it is left ...as is...and the cops sit way back and write tickets. I haven't gotten one there but it is a rotten intersection.

OBB, if you weren't claiming that your age and gender and level of "normalcy" had anything to do with why you were stopped and given a citation, why even mention those things? Just like in one of your other previous posts, you regarded that the Tyrone Municipal Court Solicitor "is a big black woman. Kreuzieger doesn't sound black, but this woman was dirt digging when she went back to the ladies driving record from 1977. It was disgusting."

Again, in your last post above, you again claim that "middle aged women have other things to do, don't have a bad driving record, and wouldn't just be there to pass the time of day. It was that we were way past the hot rod stage, although, in addition to us, there were two Mothers there with their sons."

Why even go there with that information, OBB? Your sex, age, the race or weight of the solicitor, how many other stop signs in Tyrone you disagree with, the point that a woman was in court with their child, what type of car someone drives, what you were in the process of doing when ticketed, etc, etc. What does any of this stuff you keep bringing up have to do with you getting a ticket for running a stop sign? Nothing, and you say I twist things!!

the fact is...I didn't run the stop sign...

the fact is...others were there sayin the same/same officer n sign

the fact is....officer checked ...yes..video, but she didn't record me

the point of who, what, when, are usually relevant, you have to be a lawyer, and a bad one at that. Having a video when you write on a ticket that you do, when you really don't have one to produce just doesn't seem fair.

The fact is...small towns as I've posted do use this as a form of revenue. I, with my own ears, and Nuk, also, were present at a budget meeting when Barney told the old police chief the police dept wasn't pulling its weight.
A week or 2 later, up popped the stop signs and speed limit signs, and the tickets flowed. That is a wrong way to get rev. If you have a 4way that is a problem, how bout a red light, that doesn't cost as much as those herds of cops. But, it doesn't bring in as much rev. apparently.
I don't care anymore...I have reason to go to PTC on a daily basis, so I will do my shoping there. I'm not gonna pay you another dime. Our taxes are way too high.

And since we are on the subject of Tyrone....I was told by a little bird that would know. Tyrone lost 2 acres of land on that road/ Swanson/ that would have been perfect for a fire station. Given the location, it would have been worth at least 200,000. The reason we lost it was that Weiland was donating the land. All Barney had to do was put in sidewalks and a golfcart path for the residence of his subdivison.
Barney instead put up stop signs and a watch for pedestrians sign. Weiland kept the deed to the land and everyone lost.

So instead of writing tickets...golfcart paths and sidewalks would be a good idea. There are no pedestrians on that road

OBB, I understand that you disagree with receiving a ticket for running a stop sign. You disagree with that because you feel you did not run the stop sign. That is one fact, you claim. However, in the judicial system you can't claim it as a fact unless you have documentation/evidence to support it. You want us to believe we should take the word of everyone who steps into court on a daily basis who says "they didn't do it" and be fine with it. OBB, this is why we have law enforcement officers whose credibility weighs more when they testify saying they observed you run the stop sign. You complain about the video, but don't listen very well when someone tries to explain to you how the video works. They checked the box "yes" because they recorded the pullover and not the actual infraction. You can disagree with that all you want, but accept the FACT that the video was not turned off, or deleted, or anything else to weigh more for the officers testimony over yours. The videotape recorded only your interaction with the officer after they observed you run the stop sign and pulled you over.

For this whole case, all you have is your word against the officer's word. You have no videotape yourself. You have no eyewitnesses. You have nothing but a bunch of personal opinions which weigh nothing in a court of law. You lost your case in court and now are trying to win it in a public forum by sharing your ill opinions of the situation. This was not a conspiracy by TPD to get you or anyone else! Please move forward!

The REASON I WENT TO COURT WAS...I DIDNT' DO IT!
...AND...
IN THE PRELIMINARY OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT...

'I SAID "I AM PLEADING NOT GUILTY BUT HAVE NO PROOF EXCEPT MY ...WORD... AND THAT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE THE JUDGES FAVOR THE POLICE WORD OVER MINE'

THE JUDGE THEN STATED THAT WAS NOT TRUE...THAT SHE WOULD GIVE MINE THE SAME WEIGHT...

WHEN I APEARED WEEKS LATER TAKING THE JUDGE AT HER WORD...AND FINDING NO VIDEO THAT WOULD HAVE PROVED I DIDN'T DO IT....

AS PEOPLE BEFORE ME GAVE GOOD ARGUMENTS AND IN MY EYES, ONE PROVED HERS BEYOND ANY DOUBT IN MY MIND...

THEY WERE ALL FOUND GUILTY..

IT WAS AT THAT POINT I REALISED WHAT THE JUDGE SAID WAS NOT TRUE AND EVEN THOUGH I WAS ...NOT GUILTY....

I WAS WASTING MY TIME!

I WAS SINCERLY PO ED, but I shouldn't have been surprised, and now you are stating the same thing I was told by old NARC friends, that is contrary to what the judge stated...in other words she BS me when put on the spot...that was not my fault...my fault was believing her.

You state
"However, in the judicial system you can't claim it as a fact unless you have documentation/evidence to support it. You want... US... to believe we should take the word of everyone who steps into court on a daily basis who says "they didn't do it" and be fine with it. OBB, this is why we have law enforcement officers whose credibility weighs more when they testify saying they observed you run the stop sign."

I AM SAYING I WON'T WASTE MY TIME BELIEVING TYRONE JUDGES, WON'T SHOP AT PUBLIX OR ANYWHERE ELSE IN TYRONE ANYMORE...

I AM MOVING ON, YOU WANT TO HAVE THE LAST WORD...I will give you that....You are running bussiness away from a dying area.

You want to turn a video on once you stop someone, fine, but it won't be me...you could turn that video on when hiding under a bridge or behind a steak house...but you wont. It would make a lot more sense, but you won't do it....an we both know why!

Tyrone looses 200,000. piece of property because they won't fork out the money for a truck load of cement to build a golf cart path promised to a developer. They are too turned on to making a 'traffic trap',(like that one better?) Hiring more police to write tickets when a few traffic lights would work. That is very small minded.

I will not respond to you again...case closed.

Drew
You can not argue with crazy. The woman gets mad and blames problems on people that are no longer working in the town and anyone else except for herself. I am not sure what you have to do with business dying in Tyrone but apparantly the bear is blaming it on you. Old Bear has proven more times than not that she can not be reasoned with on any intelligent nature.

I was wondering that very same thing. She thinks for one minute that I am an officer with TPD, then I must be a lawyer (and not a good one), then I am to blame for running businesses out of Tyrone. Sorry I guess I am responsible for running off such businesses as Jack's Market, Catfish Hollow, Postal Pizza, and the GA DAWG!!! I confess.