Obama's fun to hate, but McCain's not fun to love

travisstrickland1's picture

I know a lot of the conservative minded members here really, really dislike Obama. Many dislike him to the point that you're willing to come blog the most outlandish (and untrue) things you can about him. The things blogged here about Obama are often so outlandish that the only people willing to believe it are those who already think Obama is a baby killing, communist, closet Muslim. In other words, you guys are preaching to the choir.

That being said, the problem you guys are going to have to deal with is the fact that none of you ever blog about how awesome McCain is. All I ever hear is that you have to vote for McCain or else Obama's going to release his hidden Muslim army on our nation.

No one in the conservative base is REALLY excited to support McCain, many just love to hate Obama. This kind of dynamic is not going to work well for conservatives in the fall.

Has anyone seen the number of voters in the Democratic primaries compared to the Republicans? The Dem's base is ready to put someone in the White House. No one can argue the same thing for Republicans.

Even though some national polls show McCain and Obama running even, and others show McCain ahead, they don't mean much. Those polls assume that those who would rather vote for McCain will actually show up and vote. Voter turnout will be crucial for Republicans in the fall and that turnout is hard to get with a candidate like McCain. The lack of enthusiasm on this website for McCain is a great example of that point.

So, no matter how much you hate Obama, no matter how many things you make up about him, no matter how much you'd like to get others to vote against him, you still have to convince people to vote FOR McCain.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 3:48pm.

Repubs are pretty faithful about voting. Turnout is definitely more of a Democrat issue. Repubs might go astray to vote for a Ross Perot, but they'll always be there voting on election day. They'll have their ID or whatever and show up.

The last time the Repubs ran a real uninspiring candidate like McCain was Dole, but Perot was also in that race versus Clinton so I don't think it was a matter of Repubs not showing up. They just found someone else to vote for. Perot and Dole and Clinton were all much closer philosophically than McCain-Obama. Not that issues generally matter near as much as some think in a presidential election. It matters about the same as who is the VP nominee: slim and none.

Let's have a real honest discussion: who do you think the voters of the USA are going to vote for in November? An old white Republican or a young black Democrat? That looks like a major McCain landslide to me. Issue voters and progressive fantasy thinkers see this race as one that Obama has a good chance at and I don't see that whatsoever. After the election is over, it might be a good time to have some real open and blunt discussions on race because there are going to be some mighty upset people when they learn very clearly and in their faces how this is a nation of voters comprised of white and black voters who aren't anywhere near as "progressive" as some wish.

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Submitted by travisstrickland1 on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 4:17pm.

I think race will play a role. But, there are a lot of white people in this country who are more than willing to vote for Obama, just look at his primary results. The primary numbers are why turn IS an issue for Repub's. It's not hypothetical. Democrats dwarfed Repub's in turnout even when the repub's had candidates left. In many places, 10 times as many Dem's voted. If all the people who voted for a Dem in the primaries votes for one in the fall, Obama wins.

No matter what, your landslide theory seems waaay off the mark.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 7:26pm.

I know that there are some whites who will/would vote for a black man like Obama. I am saying there are far fewer than any poll will ever indicate since people lie to pollsters regularly about race and pollsters believe them. States that Dems have to win in order to claim victory like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Michigan are going to go Repub in a big way. So will the entire sun belt. It will be a landslide in the electoral college and in the popular vote.

Primary results have only meaning on who is a nominee, not the general election. Dems had a big turnout in GA and there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that GA will go Dem in November. Obama has won big in several states that haven't voted Democrat in over 40 years. The fact that he has done very well in smaller states in a Dem primary contest isn't a barometer of anything except winning the nomination, something McCain did long ago and made the Repub primary process a moot point.

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Submitted by justinincase on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 3:57pm.

I see it like this, I heard that Huckabee might want to be McCain's VP. Do you think McCain will pick him?

So, who do you think will be Obama's VP. Obama has won the nomination the way I see it on the Democrat side.

It could be a tight race, I have heard alot from both side from friends, people I work with etc.

Some people see age as someone having more wisdom.

Some see being younger with new things to change.

I know who I am voting for. How about you?

Submitted by sageadvice on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 4:17pm.

What we have here is a failure to communicate! So sayeth "Strother!"
The last sentence is bpr, and the other sentences make one scratch his head!
She would be for Huckleberry! Preaching every day from Washington!

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Submitted by Main Stream on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 4:08pm.

you sound vaguely familiar.

Nice try, bpr.

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Submitted by justinincase on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 4:13pm.

It's Justinincase get the name right.

Do you have something you want to talk about?

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Submitted by Main Stream on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 4:15pm.


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Submitted by simpleton on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 5:13pm.

I'll eat my hat.
And if you're wrong, after I've eaten my hat I'm going to go off and hide someplace because the world is already too small for just one of them.

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Submitted by justinincase on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 4:23pm.

Do you have something to talk about? It's Justinincase. You stick out like a busted thumb. Do you have a chip on your shoulders! You act so paranoid. Do you always attack new people? Thank you for the welcome. Now you can scat along.

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Submitted by travisstrickland1 on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 3:44pm.

The post wasn't really to spark discussion on why one should vote for McCain. I think McCain has a lot of redeeming qualities. There are many reasons to vote for him. The weird thing is that conservatives aren't excited about him. He is a man of faith, anti-choice (he,he), anti-gay (marriage, anyway), pro-gun, anti-tax, pro-big business, and anti-big government. He's gotten as close as possible to being a typical conservative, but still maintains that he's a "maverick". He is a really good candidate in a year where people hate Republicans (see special elections). I just don't see the base fired up about HIM as much as they are about Obama.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 3:18pm.

are capable.
Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 12:37pm.

I've said this before, but keeping Democrats on the defensive has always been part of the Republican master plan...do anything to divert attention away from their 72 year old candidate.

That's why the professional haters on this site (Hobbs, Conner, Beeps, Beavis) throw unfounded scurrillous charges here day after day ("Barack is a Moose Limb!" "Barack is the Anti-Christ!"). They know it's not true (most of their crap comes from the feverswamp known as townhall.com, which has been known to cause severe mental retardation) but they don't care.

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Submitted by justinincase on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 3:47pm.

Why is there a bug on your avatar? I don't have one since I am new I will find one maybe.

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Submitted by TonyF on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 12:02pm.

he's not a Democrat.

O wad some Power the giftie gie us,To see oursels as ithers see us!
(R. Burns)
If we could see ourselves as others see us, we would vanish on the spot.
(E. M. Cioran)

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Submitted by JeffC on Mon, 05/19/2008 - 2:55pm.

He will continue all of the successful policies of the Bush administration...

Ha ha ha ha ha ha...

Tony, sometimes I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not.

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