That is a very good entry regarding the brown bagging ordinance. I have a confession to make: I was only trying to stir the pot up a bit. I like to do that sometimes. I do not drink alcohol any longer, plus I prefer my own cooking (and it shows). I do believe that wording should be added if the brown bag contains Ripple, MD 20/20, or Night Train: "throwing the empty bottle on the roof of the establishment and then going to sleep on a piece of cardboard is strictly prohibited".

that can keep a strip club out should be kept in the arsenal.

What is it with you republicans when you now want government interference with business?

The City of PTC has had an adult ordinance for a decade or so. Since it's considered unconstitutional to outright ban them as the state and US Supreme Court have ruled consistently, most cities with some foresight adopted ordinances regulating WHERE they can be located and other conditions like alcohol restrictions to discourage any from opening. It's OK to discourage, not OK to ban.

Here is the PTC ordinance on that specifically:
PTC Adult Entertainment Ordinance

I fail to understand why it wouldn't be okay to outright ban such a thing. Shouldn't a community get to decide unequivocally whether or not they want a certain business around? There have already been some poor decisions made regarding Peachtree City and what might be "best" for it, so it seems that brown bagging - if it increases the chances of a "gentlemen's club" being able to slither in through the back door - may very well be PTC's undoing.

That is who said you cannot place a ban on adult entertainment businesses. The ordinance that PTC adopted was modeled exactly after similar city ordinances that have withstood constitutional muster.

The existing adult ordinance passed a decade ago ALREADY prohibits alcohol on the premises, whether it's brown bagged, sold, or whatever.
There is no effect on strip clubs/adult evenif brown-bagging is allowed elsewhere:

(a) It shall be unlawful for an owner, operator or manager of a sexually oriented business to knowingly allow the sale, dispersion or consumption of alcoholic beverages upon the premises, including all outdoor areas, of a sexually oriented business.
(b) It shall be unlawful for an owner, operator or manager of a sexually oriented business to knowingly allow any person, whether a patron, employee or otherwise, to bring any alcoholic beverage onto the premises of the sexually oriented business, including all outdoor areas.

It can't be any clearer than that.Glad to see our tax dollars wasted for on a city attorney who doesn't know the city's own existing ordinances. I'm not surprised whatsoever, even if this ordinance is right on the PTC website.

I don't have a dog in the fight over brown-bagging it or not as it doesn't directly affect me, but I'd like to see an informed discussion on the pro's and con's and not bogus information disseminated by people who are on the city payroll to give legal opinions based on fact, not sheer ignorance.

are the legal arguments and reasonings. My take: more is better, keep the brown bagging ban.

These are two separate issues and the strip club part is already addressed in an existing ordinance. A strip club could always decide to open without alcohol/brown bagging regardless, which is the whole purpose of the existing ordinance. Under the ordinance, that would mean the could operate in a small area in the industrial park.

Strip clubs can be a true asset to any community. Think of mom and one of PTC's 42 parks. Any strip club in town couldn't be located too far away from one of those. Mom drops off the kids at the park in her golf cart, then goes to work to make a couple of bucks. Good for quality of life/supplemental income. PLus, the kids get to see a good example of what not to be when they grow up. Kinda like those horrible fiery crashes they used to show in driver's ed. The wrecked shells of the men frequenting the clubs would be etched upon the minds of little Johnny and Susie at the park stumbling up and down the sidewalk, looking over their shoulders to make sure no-one knows them. Besides all of that, just imagine all the extra taxes the city/county could take in.

I am all for it! Peachtree City is already eerily similar to something out of the Stepford Wives. It is an excellent size, lay-out and location for a large-scale experiment in social engineering. I vote that we turn Peachtree City into a giant "Scared Straight" program. We'll bring in ultra conservative, fundamentalist groups/schools for basic mind control and guilt-implantation and then next door slap up rows of "gentlemen's clubs". Just to see what would happen.

We could also have one street in town where all of the churches must be located. Think of the fun in watching the interactions between all of the different faiths, and different denominations. It could be a reality T.V. show. I vote to make it a Cul-de-Sac.

WE ARE PEACHTREE CITY KEEP IT DECENT AND PEACEFUL COLLECTIVE MIND. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

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On a lurgid bee.
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See if I don't!

THE "JAM, NOT JELLY" SOLILOQUY WILL NOT PREVENT YOUR ASSIMILATION BY THE COLLECTIVE MIND.

I'm not listening! I'm not listening!
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THE ANT PILE IS NOT BETTERED BY THE OPINIONS OF ONE. WE MUST ALL WEAR GAP AND DRIVE LEXUS. ALL THOUGHTS MUST BE OF THE COLLECTIVE MIND. ALL WORK MUST BE DONE TO PRESERVE THE COLONY.

DOUBLE OH DUDE OF NATURE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, TO THE FLAG, OF THE UNITED STATE OF INTOLERANCE. AND TO THE DISTURBANCE, WHICH IT CAUSES, I WILL NOT FALTER TO DEFEND. OUTSIDERS HERE, ARE NOT WELCOME, AND CANNOT BE REHABILITATED. ONE CITY, UNDER GOD, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR THOSE WHO THINK SIMILARLY.

ROFLMAO.

I.... Must.....Moooove!

"Abomination Avenue" -- where the strip clubs and brown bagging restaurants will be built.

Perhaps these two busy streets could be built directly off of another busy street in town to exacerbate the traffic flow problem.

that we have more than one lake, we could just fill one of them in with concrete and build right on top of it. I'm not sure I see what purpose the library would serve anymore, either, so that whole area could be put to good use. That deals with traffic as well. Big lake, more than enough room for a few streets and parking lots.

Is it possible we could burn all the books?....Please?

Only the ones that say things like "ass", "damn" and "turd".

And everything written by Mark Twain, of course.

Oh, and Harry Potter. Naturally we will burn Harry Potter because he worships the devil.

I don't believe I can speak with you anymore after the language used in that last post. Completely un-called for, and most likely a crime against the state. I think it would be beneficial to both of us to not mention this dialog again.

Crap, boobs, crap!

I guess you didn't like Reagan since you've never seen or heard of anything good out of California. Anyways, it's done in other states and cities not on the left coast too.

Here's another reason: a bottle of wine at a grocery or liquor store that costs $10 magically costs $25 in a restaurant. Also, you're at the mercy of whatever that restaurant happens to have on hand. Third, the state just passed legislation to allow people to cork wine they purchased in restaurants and take it home without violating the open container laws, so the consumer isn't forced to either leave leftover wine or guzzle it before driving. Somewhat enlightened thinking, a rarity in the GA legislation.

that bringing your own alcohol to a restaurant will cause you to drink more alcohol than you would at a restaurant that serves it? I am not sure.

but that doesn't stop neo-prohibitionists and Big Brother-lovers from making up crap and calling it a "fact" with no proof whatsoever.

We might as well add this as yet another revelation about the "true character" of muddle.

I have been furtively brown bagging for years. Indeed, I have brown bagged at work. Given the fact that brown bagging appears to be illegal, this, in itself, would have been sufficient for termination.

My wife has usually thought to include an apple or a banana in the brown bag along with my sandwich. Often there has been a note: "I love you and hope you have a nice day. Can't wait until you come home."

One time she even included this note: "This brown bag doubles as a handy dandy hand puppet." Sure enough, when I checked, I found that she had drawn a face on the brown bag so that, when slipped onto a hand, it would come to life. That way, I didn't have to dine alone.

I'm still trying to figure out why this is illegal.

Glad to see you haven't lost your sense of humor.
RFLOL!

Well, you see muddle the same person who totes a pistola where everyone can see it, or at least flashes it several times, is the same guy who brings a bottle with a French label on it to a restaurant.
Now, he has filled that same bottle numerous times with ripple, the same kind Fred Sanford used to drink, but who knows? He also leavs a $22 tip for the waitress, but makes sure everyone sees him and those who don't, he tells loudly.
There is a time between blue collar brown bagging and white collar, $15 lunches where one must decide just who they are, or want to be!
You can tell a lot about such people.

I've been brown bagging for years also. Usually when I can find just enough change. I don't do it purposely, but the containers I purchase just usually include the bag. I've found that, over time, I've also been able to stitch together a nice overcoat out of the bags, and the containers have come together nicely as a xylophone. Playing my xylophone has made it much easier to purchase more containers. I never thought that these bags could become illegal! Such a law would go a long way to ruin my life, and make it virtually impossible to keep up with all the repairs I'm constantly needing to make to my overcoat.