So no second chance at all? Some folks actually just need a helping hand for a few months, and then get back on their feet...should we steralize them also? And what about the man who impregnated said welfare recipient?

And is this all part of your great conservative "keep the guvment out of my life" plan? Seems a little tad big brotherish to me.

Hey Sky,

As an adoptive parent who has counseled and encouraged others that want to adopt let me say this: The biggest obstacle in the adoption process is the cumbersome and ultra expensive process involved in the adoption process.

Whatever happened to those implants they claimed they could put in a woman's arm and it would prevent her from conceiving? I'd support a gumament program that tied welfare benefits or outright payments to the drug addicted and / or welfare dependent brood moms. Give her $3000 dollars and that injected time release doo-hicky that I thought lasted for 4 -7 years. Then pay her again. It's a bargain for the taxpayers and the brood mom whose main priority is getting bred purely for the pleasurable aspects of the act.

Sure beats the murderous acts of ripping an uborn baby apart piece by piece or burning it to death.

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I know you have adopted and so has Hack. Also my best friend k-4yrs of college has adopted.

It just seems like there are not enough of you good people around. I don't have the patience for kids. So I have been smart and not taken on a responsibilty I can't handle. I am in awe of you and Hack and my lifelong friend.

Good Job to all of you!! We need more of you.

As an adopted child myself, it is appreciated:) Worked out great for me.

It's the people who are hesitant to have kids that make the best parents, they try harder yet instill the discipline all children need.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

It twas nothing. Really. Hack, your friend, and I are not good people. Just blessed people.

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The world is a better place because all of you are in it.

The world is a better place because all of you are in it.

Double dittos on the above.

As a point of interest, the adoption agencies that I've had experience with in the USA have about 4-5 parents waiting for every child they have available for adoption.

T'would seem that "every child IS a wanted child."

But then if Truth in Advertising were applied to the above Planned Parenthood slogan, it would be restated to:

"Every unwanted child needs to be a dead child"

I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born.~Ronald Reagan
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Sterialization as a condition for getting welfare?
One could catch pneumonia from that attitude.

I do agree that prevention is the route that both sides of the issue should take.

No one looks good in a searsucker suit.

Than butchering an unborn baby in it's mother's womb?

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Just curious, did any woman in your extended family ever have an abortion in her teens? Perhaps after a statutory rape or an abusive relationship? Did her parents support or make the decision for her?

If so, may we presume you've shared with her and them your candid and graphic views of the "murder" and "butchery" they committed? That you shun them, spit on them or otherwise openly denigrate them for violating, if not the laws of the nation, your personal morality? That you repudiate anything else they've done in life, since no act could make up for such crimes against humanity?

Must make for some awkward family reunions....

and the insinuation was to use it to prevent live births of future welfare recepients. Once again, I advocate prevention as the best solution to all sides of the issue.

So which is more "cold"? Sterilization or Abortion?

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How about mass starvation? Personally, I would greatly prefer sterilization programs to abortion, but the failure to control population WILL result in starvation at some point. You tend to refer to liberals as "bleeding-heart liberals" but all this talk about the rights of an unborn embryo is kind of silly when we are contemplating global starvation due to overpopulation. Millions of people starving to death is far worse than the evils of abortion, in my opinion.

This is a far more tangible threat than global warming, and I'm really skeptical about our collective ability to keep a lid on our population. All this talk about the rights of the unborn will be trumped when most of the world is hungry. Anybody who has studied population biology knows that this is almost inevitable. Git, I don't recall what your background was (business, I think) but anybody who has grown a bacteria culture in a Petri dish or a test tube knows that the population grows until something stops it. Usually, the population will overgrow and then choke on it's own waste products or run out of nutrients and die.

You might think that we are better than a bacteria culture, but sometimes I'm not so sure.

See my thoughts below. I was utilizing "choice" as an option to reducing murderous abortions and the so-called unwanted pregnancies. Below is the trial balloon I floated regarding this issue. You know me.... I believe in the dollar as a an arbitrator in certain solutions. Let's cut a deal that both parties are amiable to.

Whatever happened to those implants they claimed they could put in a woman's arm and it would prevent her from conceiving? I'd possibly support a gumament program that tied welfare benefits or outright payments to the drug addicted and / or welfare dependent brood moms. Give her $3000 dollars and apply one of those injected time release doo-hicky thingys that supposedly last for 4 -7 years. Then after those wear out... pay her again for refreshed implant. It's a bargain for the taxpayers and the brood mom whose main priority is getting bred purely for the pleasurable aspects of the act.

Sounds like a gumament program that would yield a hefty return with very positive results in matter of less than a decade.

So please don't misunderstand me..... I would never support forced sterilization at all.

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The view from my soapbox is limited by my small stature. It was incorrect to insinuate that you were in the forced surgical sterilization camp. It was way past my bedtime when I wrote that.
The issue of the male's role in all of this has been mentioned, and I am a proponent of putting the development of an effective male contraceptive on the front burner and turning it on high. Nothing surgical, strictly medical.

Over population isn't a problem. The problem is we've bought into 30 years of lies by Planned Parenthood et al.

Currently, a 2.1:1 ratio of children per women is required just to maintain the current population. The USA is running about 1.8 while other countries like Italy are about 1.2. I believe that France is about 1.5.

Central Europe knows it has a developing problem of no middle age work force within the next 10-15 years due to a problem of declining vs. an increasing population.

Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, did content that the world was over populated in her writings during the 1920s. The problem was that, in her eugenic view, the "overpopulation" consisted of the poor, minorities, and immigrants.

In an article entitled, Is Race Suicide Probable? She wrote "Nature eliminates the weeds, but we turn them into parasites and allow them to reproduce.’ Could any business maintain itself with the burden of such an ‘overhead’? Could any breeder of livestock conduct his enterprise on such a basis? I do not think so

She defined the "weeds" as blacks and poor immigrants. This is what happens to a society when we let the manner or fashion in which we are born (lack of wealth, skin color, circumstances of conception,etc.) determine human worth instead of viewing all human life as having intrinsic worth.

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one heck of a good question, and I must admit, I do not have an answer. Neither one gets above freezing.

The abortion procedure you are referring to is by far the most barbaric one their is, and since this thread started with abortion vs adoption, it is the topic, and I would have to say it is the "colder" of the two.
At this time however, forced sterilization is not legal, and abortion is.
I by no means advocate either one. I do not believe that I have the moral authority to force a woman to bear a child, but I will say I believe an abortion should not be done after the first trimester.
The adoption alternative is much more desirable than terminating, but this is where the walk the walk vs talk the talk comes in. Pro-life is actually pro-birth unless they are going to do adoptions or at least support the children after they are born. Without getting into details that everyone has reasons not to like, there are many many children that are not being adopted.
The option of having all parties to the issue putting efforts into preventing the need or desire to have an abortion would reap the most benefits. This is both supporting females who are pregnant, regardless of the reason or their circumstances, and efforts into preventing unwanted pregnancies in the first place, which is the prevention that I was refering to but was not specific enough about.
It really borders on hypocrital to tell a young poor woman not to get an abortion and also to say that you and your child are parasites on society if you do bear this child that has about a zero percent chance of being adopted. Additionally, all of this is assuming healty babies. Do you really want more crack babies, fetal alcohol syndrome babies, oxy-contin babies, heroin addicted babies, etc? In these cases, how about a safe method of terminating a pregnancy in the very early stages as a humane alternative? Calling for forced sterilization is no solution either, obviously.
Then there is the indisputalble fact that some women are going to terminate their pregnancy no matter what. When I was high school, girls would go off somewhere and get back alley abortions, often with the disasterous results. No one wants to see this, and this is why it is a medical issue before it is anything else.
Prevention of the pregnancy in the first place would prevent all of these intractable issues from even existing. Perhaps that is where the resistance to it comes from; take away the problem and no one has anything to fight about.

. . .but I will say I believe an abortion should not be done after the first trimester.

Just of out of curiosity, why do you believe this? The other side has never satisfactory explained to me what magic happens after the first trimester.

Medical science tells us that no new genetic material is added after conception so I don't think you believe it's a matter of development.

If it's a matter of viability, that keeps dropping as medical practice improves, so are you saying that your humanity (and right to live) is depend upon the the time in history you were conceived? Were the people conceived 50 years less human than a 23 week old premature baby today?

Some doctors believe that we are within 5-7 years of ectogenesis in which case viability could be close to the moment of conception.

At that point, do all the first trimester babies become "human persons"???

If so, what were they (ethically) before?

I have a tough time seeing any logic or consistently in the pro-choice position. I'm hoping you can help me out.

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You have a good understanding of the issues. You don't have any use for my help, and I have no use for an endless argument. I was not proposing policy, just stating an opinion.

That is what sterilization is ....it is prevention. It is the best way.

Giving out free handouts hasn't worked so well for us. We need to try a new plan.

and true, when you give something away for free, you put it's value at nothing. Forced sterilization is a non-issue in this country anyway.

We need to stop encouraging people to have kids they can neither afford or have the aptitude to raise.

We need to stop encouraging people to be freeloaders.

Um, that whole forced sterilization thing is pretty damn communist, boys.

It is my sincere hope that this talk of forced sterilization is being mentioned for it's shock value.