The cruelty of segregation may soon be over

Mildred Loving, Who Fought Ban on Mixed Marriage, Dies at 68
By DOUGLAS MARTIN

Mildred Loving, a black woman whose anger over being banished from Virginia for marrying a white man led to a landmark Supreme Court ruling overturning state miscegenation laws, died on May 2 at her home in Central Point, Va. She was 68.

Peggy Fortune, her daughter, said the cause was pneumonia.

The Supreme Court ruling, in 1967, struck down the last group of segregation laws to remain on the books — those requiring separation of the races in marriage. The ruling was unanimous, its opinion written by Chief Justice Earl Warren, who in 1954 wrote the court’s opinion in Brown v. Board of Education, declaring segregated public schools unconstitutional.

In Loving v. Virginia, Warren wrote that miscegenation laws violated the Constitution’s equal protection clause. “We have consistently denied the constitutionality of measures which restrict the rights of citizens on account of race,” he said.

By their own widely reported accounts, Mrs. Loving and her husband, Richard, were in bed in their modest house in Central Point in the early morning of July 11, 1958, five weeks after their wedding, when the county sheriff and two deputies, acting on an anonymous tip, burst into their bedroom and shined flashlights in their eyes. A threatening voice demanded, “Who is this woman you’re sleeping with?”

Mrs. Loving answered, “I’m his wife.”

Mr. Loving pointed to the couple’s marriage certificate hung on the bedroom wall. The sheriff responded, “That’s no good here.”

The certificate was from Washington, D.C., and under Virginia law, a marriage between people of different races performed outside Virginia was as invalid as one done in Virginia. At the time, it was one of 16 states that barred marriages between races.

After Mr. Loving spent a night in jail and his wife several more, the couple pleaded guilty to violating the Virginia law, the Racial Integrity Act. Under a plea bargain, their one-year prison sentences were suspended on the condition that they leave Virginia and not return together or at the same time for 25 years.

Judge Leon M. Bazile, in language Chief Justice Warren would recall, said that if God had meant for whites and blacks to mix, he would have not placed them on different continents. Judge Bazile reminded the defendants that “as long as you live you will be known as a felon.”

They paid court fees of $36.29 each, moved to Washington and had three children. They returned home occasionally, never together. But times were tough financially, and the Lovings missed family, friends and their easy country lifestyle in the rolling Virginia hills.

By 1963, Mrs. Loving could stand the ostracism no longer. Inspired by the civil rights movement and its march on Washington, she wrote Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and asked for help. He wrote her back, and referred her to the American Civil Liberties Union.

The A.C.L.U. took the case. Its lawyers, Bernard S. Cohen and Philip J. Hirschkop, faced an immediate problem: the Lovings had pleaded guilty and had no right to appeal. So they asked Judge Bazile to set aside his original verdict. When he refused, they appealed. The Virginia Supreme Court of Appeals upheld the lower court, and the case went to the United States Supreme Court.

Mr. Cohen recounted telling Mr. Loving about various legal theories applying to the case. Mr. Loving replied, “Mr. Cohen, tell the court I love my wife, and it is just unfair that I can’t live with her in Virginia.”

Mildred Delores Jeter’s family had lived in Caroline County, Va., for generations, as had the family of Richard Perry Loving. The area was known for friendly relations between races, even though marriages were forbidden. Many people were visibly of mixed race, with Ebony magazine reporting in 1967 that black “youngsters easily passed for white in neighboring towns.”

Mildred’s mother was part Rappahannock Indian, and her father was part Cherokee. She preferred to think of herself as Indian rather than black.

Mildred and Richard began spending time together when he was a rugged-looking 17 and she was a skinny 11-year-old known as Bean. He attended an all-white high school for a year, and she reached 11th grade at an all-black school.

When Mildred became pregnant at 18, they decided to do what was elsewhere deemed the right thing and get married. They both said their initial motive was not to challenge Virginia law.

“We have thought about other people,” Mr. Loving said in an interview with Life magazine in 1966, “but we are not doing it just because somebody had to do it and we wanted to be the ones. We are doing it for us.”

In his classic study of segregation, “An American Dilemma,” Gunnar Myrdal wrote that “the whole system of segregation and discrimination is designed to prevent eventual inbreeding of the races.”

But miscegenation laws struck deeper than other segregation acts, and the theory behind them leads to chaos in other facets of law. This is because they make any affected marriage void from its inception. Thus, all children are illegitimate; spouses have no inheritance rights; and heirs cannot receive death benefits.

“When any society says that I cannot marry a certain person, that society has cut off a segment of my freedom,” the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said in 1958.

Virginia’s law had been on the books since 1662, adopted a year after Maryland enacted the first such statute. At one time or another, 38 states had miscegenation laws. State and federal courts consistently upheld the prohibitions, until 1948, when the California Supreme Court overturned California’s law.

Though the Supreme Court’s 1967 decision in the Loving case struck down miscegenation laws, Southern states were sometimes slow to change their constitutions; Alabama became the last state to do so, in 2000.

Mr. Loving died in a car accident in 1975, and the Lovings’ son Donald died in 2000. In addition to her daughter, Peggy Fortune, who lives in Milford, Va., Mrs. Loving is survived by her son, Sidney, of Tappahannock, Va.; eight grandchildren; and 11 great-grandchildren.

Mrs. Loving stopped giving interviews, but last year issued a statement on the 40th anniversary of the announcement of the Supreme Court ruling, urging that gay men and lesbians be allowed to marry

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 4:07pm.

hosted by my oldest son's high school concerning college scholarships, I was surprised that there are several plans that would only offer money to a specific race. Of course, all this time, I raised my boys to look beyond this is as a factor.
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Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 4:25pm.

It is difficult to explain to our children the legacy of years of racist practices. I have always thought that programs for those who have economic needs would assist students of all races. There are Asian American scholarships, Hispanic Scholarships, African American Scholarship, Italian-American Scholarships etc., etc., etc. This is the legacy of our hyphenated society - and the days when only European or white Americans appeared to get 'the breaks' or scholarships. Often, these scholarships were based on academic achievement - and history shows that often students of color were 'left out'. Thanks to Americans who saw the danger of this practice, black and white educators worked together to overcome this practice when and where the law allowed. Many forget that only a few 'slaves' were even taught to read - because it was against the law.. . .therefore . not too many could compete on an equal level with those who were educated on a different level. In spite of all of this, many 'blacks' achieved and excelled. I still feel that if the qualifications for scholarships were based on academic achievement and economic need - we would have diversity in the awarding of scholarships. What do you think?

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:14pm.

Compulsory education did not exist nationally until 1918, so many went without. As for the practice of earmarking scholarships to races you're right there are some Korean Americans, Japanese Americans and so on.

What your response back to me should have been:

Cyclist you're a dope, those types of scholarships are offered all the time.

I'm going to graciously bow out of this subject.
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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:52pm.

I feel your pain.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:57pm.

One thing about blogging; don't ever think that you know it all because there is always someone out there that knows more. Smiling
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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 7:01pm.

has included a lot of humble pie.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 7:03pm.

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Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:28pm.

I'd never call you a 'dope' - and you always try to make your point with class.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:54pm.

You've become a pathetic broken record. Either you're for unity or your against it. You are getting nowhere with your attempts to continuously rub whitey's nose it. Hell your rubbing my nose in it and I didn't even get here until the 60's yet you act as I was apart of the 1860's. In your mind you think your helping our race issues when in reality all you do day in and day out is rub salt into the wounds. You're about as much a race uniter as the bigoted Reverend Wright is.

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Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 9:15pm.

The sad fact is the article above this post talked about a law that was on the books until 1967, not 1865. Davids Mom was alive in 1967, and I can only imagine the vicious discrimination and blatant racism she has encountered along the way of her life. For god's sake the secret service officer that hung a noose to harass his co-worker did that last month, not last century.
Just the other day, at the All Children's Playground by the lake, I overheard a little boy approach his Daddy and say, "Daddy those boys over there said I can't play in that section of the playground because black boys aren't allowed there." His father handled it by saying to the child, "Oh don't pay any mind to those boys, son, they are ignorant."
The sad fact is that people still discriminate based upon race. We need to acknowledge that and teach our children better. Rather than strike out in anger, search your soul. Ask yourself, "Do I have preconceived notions about people I come across in everyday life due to their race?" The answer is of course you do. We all do.
Davids Mom brings a perspective to the table to which it is important to pay attention.

Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:21pm.

Forget the 'wounds' and deal with the now. Can you do that without feeling guilty? You're young. My sons were born in '63 and '69. They can discuss their 'now' without getting angry or upset. As I observe the citizens of Fayetteville and Peachtree City - I'm amazed at some of the words that I read on this blog. I guess the ability to post anonymously on the blog makes it easier for some to express their true feelings. OUR race issues are discussed here until someone tells you that there are still remnants of racism in our Utopia. . . and then comes the pregnant silence. I realize that you are not part of what happened in the 1860's - but we have to understand the past in order to handle to present with wisdom. I am not the broken record that you hear - but discussions you have been exposed to in the past that possibly makes you feel guilty. (I do not feel that you or any other good person needs to feel guilty for anything - and wonder why that becomes an issue with persons of good faith.)
I have not heard from you in a long time - and certainly didn't feel that I was rubbing your nose in anything. You explained quite clearly your feelings regarding criminals - regardless of color; and your pride in your community; and the diversity of your neighbors. So what am I saying that makes you feel that your nose is being rubbed in anything? Is unity achieved only when your view is accepted? Do you want others to remain silent when they see 'racism' in action? Is the truth of current race-relations too uncomfortable for some to deal with? If so – leave it alone and enjoy your life.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:41pm.

Get over it. You remind me of dad whining about Japs and Germans all of the time. Heck yeah we had to fight them and stomp their butts. But that war is over, we're at peace and now we have productive relationships. End it now DM. Otherwise all you will accomplish is the continuing pain and resentment that comes from those who keep getting salt poured into their wounds. If not don't be surprised when people scream race baiter and run the other way every time you approach them with your salt shaker.

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Submitted by Davids mom on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 6:29am.

If we have productive relationships with those who tried to 'kill' us (Japanese and Germans) - why is it so wrong to seek productive relationships with Americans who fought along side one another - and live as citizens in this country? The problem of respecting those who are different is not just between black and white in America - but Protestant and Catholic in Ireland; different tribes in Africa; different religions in China, etc., etc., etc. Why does a 'grain of truth' make good people want to run? What this election has taught younger Americans is the wall of ignorance regarding race and sex in America is coming down. The story shared about the boys at the park brings tears to my eyes. Why should that scenario from 'yesteryear' be repeated today? Because the ignorance of racism has been allowed to 'fester' through silence and blindness. It brings me no joy to be called a 'race baiter' and 'hater'. But I will be guilty of the silence that I condemn if I don't speak out. There are some churches in Fayetteville who are practicing living the truth as Jesus taught. I commend them and their 'pastors' and congregants. As I look out my window this morning, I see black, white, and Asian children getting on the bus - going to school together to get an education in Fayette County, Georgia! Martin's dream in action! Our history has some ugly moments - but the new day is here! Let's don't let it slip away simply because we didn't take the steps to prevent the ignorance of yesteryear to raise it's ugly head and take us back to the days of 'old'.

We, as Americans, are all guilty of making a racist statement or making a judgment based on racial prejudice at one time or another. Discussing this issue with those of ‘kindred tastes and aspirations’ will be a step in removing the ugliness from the American way of life. Having traveled all over the world, there is no place like home – America/ and now Georgia. And yet – it is only here that my family often is judged first by their color – and discriminated against. This happens not only in Georgia – but throughout our nation. . .today, 2008. It’s an ugly reality that many try to deny. Each individual monitoring his or her own thoughts and actions can change it. Many well meaning blacks and whites in America think racist/sexist thoughts daily without even realizing it. There are many citizens in Fayette County who read this blog – and hopefully learn from our discussions. It is not comfortable discussing ‘race’ in America – but since when did Americans make progress by remaining ‘comfortable’?

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 10:02am.

I tried you read your rantings and quit a quarter of the way through. But let's address this:

If we have productive relationships with those who tried to 'kill' us (Japanese and Germans) - why is it so wrong to seek productive relationships with Americans who fought along side one another - and live as citizens in this country?

Simply put; We worked with, forgave, and worked with our former adversaries without "rubbing that salt in their wounds" every time we entered into a discussion. A concept that you side has refused to grasp and understand. Instead you cling to your Democrat vicitimization mentality of hate and retaliation while viewing unity as being a total surrender and victory for your side.

Listen lady... until you can prove that I was a slave owner or a card carrying member of Jim Crow's hate group then shut up already. My family immigrated to this country in the late 40's losing everything they ever had to the Nazi's followed by Russians. My family came to this country resented even as legal immigrants and worked their way into society as productive citizens. An avenue that perhaps much of the black community ought to try to grasp if they want to change their circumstances. There is not another country on this earth with more opportunity and freedom as we experience here and the 'victim state of mind' that you and other blacks cling to like a security blanket will continue to keep you down until you 'get over it already'.

Sheesh.... I'm glad you don't work for me. You are the kind of cancer that drags down a productive society. Gotta get back to work.

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Submitted by oldbeachbear on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 1:31pm.

so I will explain myself. I hate this continual, what I feel, is race baiting.

Best put by Git real,' rubbing salt in wounds.

I watch my child and his generation, and they don't look at each other as black or white, just friends.
I come from the very deep south, not here. I want to tell you this story if I never have. My Daddy gave a job to a black and paid him the same wages as everyone else back in the 50s. Why? He asked for it and Daddy thought he could do it as well as anyone else. Several people who worked for him challenged and threatened to quit. He told them they could all quit, but he would hire who he felt could do the job. They stayed and so did Larry, the black guy. Some years later, the NAACP, came to his company... didn't even use the front door, came in the side and walked through, looking at who he had working there. They then went to my Father and DEMANDED he hire more blacks. Daddy was furious and told them to get off his property and he "would hire who he felt could do the job and he would never let them tell him what to do". Larry, the black guy, interceded, and they never came back. Larry was at my Father's wake and he and everyone who had worked for Daddy were laughing about it. Cause they all knew Daddy would have closed the place both times rather than let someone tell him who he would hire.

If he were alive today, he would tell you he felt affirmative action was wrong. I feel that way too. My feeling is that times have changed and there is no need for it any longer.

When I hear people still wanting homage for past injustices, it really gets my goat.

What people do not think about is, blacks, as a group, have been given a leg up that other groups have not. Many groups came to this country and made it, or starved. As I mentioned, a LOT.. of the 1st whites came here as endentured slaves. If their crime was being poor it was for about 7 years. If they were polical prisoners/convicts, that being the ones that opposed the English crown, that being thousands of Scots, Irish, etc. that fought against them were sold into slavery and more than a few for life. If these people were women their kids, they were slaves as well.
Up till the civil war a lot of their kids were either slaves or sharecroppers. The blacks looked down on them and called them 'white trash' Research has been done by Duke and it took these people's kids, if they were free, 4 generations to ever own land.

During the war, these people fought on both sides, some for the south, because the south was invaded and what little they had was being burned to the ground, or they fought for the North, because they thought slavery was wrong.

Anyway, the point is this, after the war, these people, got left out of the the whole deal. They were still dirt poor and uneducated. The blacks have been paid reparations in the form of affirmative action. These other people have, and are still, getting in line ...behind blacks, in affirmative action. This is wrong. These are the people you call 'rednecks', crackers, and white trash.

As I've said before I do genealogy and you don't have to dig too deep to find them. Some of mine came here under their own steam and their fate was far different than most because they were educated. They were poor, but mine and others insisted on giving their kids a better life and made ...sure...they got an education.

On the 1850 and 1880 census, the children of endures pop out at you because they are uneducated and have no land, no nothing. On the Coweta census, I saw one house with about 20 day laborers living together.

These people have never been given a leg up. I feel very strongly that it is wrong to put someone black in front of them for what is perceived as an injustice 200 years ago.

I'm further infurated when someone wants to give the rest of us 'lessons in how to talk to blacks' or whatever you called that class that someone mentioned teaching.

I just feel the whole issue has been way over done.

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Submitted by River on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:40pm.

I agree with a lot of what you say on this website, but it would be nice to hear your views on more than just race. You seem to be a one-issue blogger, at least most of the time. Just a suggestion.


Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 9:01pm.

Thank you for the suggestion. When I came to this blog - I stated my purpose was to discuss race and race-relations. Of course I do have views about other issues - and I'm just begining to see others who may also have moderate views like mine. I have learned a lot regarding the 'conservative' point of view in Fayette County. I don't agree with it - but at least I understand why they have their point of view. I'm preparing a 'short' guide for evaluating Diversity Training. After that post, I will only 'react' to overt ridicule of minorities and women. I see you and others do an excellent job in expressing a moderate, reasoned point of view - which some consider 'radical liberalism'. Oh well. Again, thanks for the suggestion.

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 9:18pm.

what many of the "wingnuts" consider far out liberal (for Fayette County) is, in reality pretty moderate on the grand scheme of things. They get blinded by their own narrow point of view and cannot see that many of us here are actually pretty reasoned and reasonable. Keep the faith.

Even a dead fish can go with the flow.


Submitted by oldbeachbear on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:24pm.

For God's sake give it a rest! I think something is wrong that you keep on and on, and on about segregation. You have been on this board preaching for about 2 years on it. You never stop, day in, day out. No one thinks its informative, inspirational, or even cute. You would even put a lot of rappers to sleep with it.

I even put something on here the other day about whites in slavery and tried to post a thing I found on Ancestry.com where between 1847 and 1851, England cleaned out their poor houses and sold thousands of unwilling English, some infants, into servitude in Boston. These people did nothing, unlike so many convicted of stealing food etc, they simply were poor, and sold into servitude in Boston for it. Life hasn't been fair to a ...lot of people....the deal is, what they do about it, and what the rest of us do about it.

Because you are not in chains right now as you've got pretty good use of that computer...have you been to Africa to help the sick and starving there, the less fortunate? I don't ever see anything you talk about doing except slopping in pity and trying to emotionally blackmail people on this board for the last shred of pity they gave you long ago.
You are way past making a fool of yourself...I think people should quit responding to you...what is it that you hope to prove...that no one has ever given you enough pity? I don't think an ocean full of it or for that matter, that much reporation money would ever make you happy. You hate whitie so bad, you seeth that he aint yo slave...and I think you are hoping with all your heart Obama will do it for you... you are sick....get a life.

Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:36pm.

I'm not going anywhere as long as there at people like you who just don't get it. Yes - I've been to Africa; and many areas in the world where people can use help. . . even New Orleans. I'm sure you have been there to assist also.

If you saw my answer to 'your post on 'white slavery' - you realize that one who has studied American History would not be unaware of this situation in our country. I'm glad your research made you aware also. This is a free world - and if you don't want to read my contribution to this discussion - skip it! An 'idea' does not die. So if I pass tomorrow, there will be someone else to contradict you and the Beavers of the world. I have hope - this election is proving that our young people are not so poisoned by 'race' that they cannot recognize that a person of another color may have something to offer our country. You will be perceived as a fool if you respond to me again. . .and I know that you are not a fool.

Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 1:22pm.

Scooby,

Are you stuck in a time warp or something? How do you expect anyone to move forward if you keep bringing up injustices from over 40 years ago?

News Flash: Segregation is over. That is, except for those groups that choose to segregate themselves, like the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP, Miss Black America...

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Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 2:18pm.

I post so that persons who read will see that there are still miscreants like you who choose to repeat over and over again the ranting of groups like the White Supremacy Council, the KKK, The Arian Brotherhood, etc., that this is a 'white' country. . .and others of a different hue are inferior. No Beaver - I'm not stuck in a time warp - just following the guidance of persons wiser than either of us - we must be eternally vigilant so that the hate and ugliness of racism does not diminish the gifts of democracy.

That is, except for those groups that choose to segregate themselves, like the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP, Miss Black America...

These groups were the result of years of exclusion from 'the old boys club' in the Congress', the laws of segregation in our country' and the Miss America contest. Obviously, all Americans now participate in the legislatures, organizations that protect the civil rights of Americans, and the Miss and Mrs. America pageants. Guess what Beaver, there have always been white members in the NAACP, etc, and whites were never excluded from the Miss Black contests - however if we have to give up those areas that reflect our community, than lets have no Miss Italian, or Miss Hispanic, or Miss Asian American or etc., etc., etc. Are there black members in the KKK, the White Supremacy Council, and the Arian Brotherhood? Some organizations and periodicals exist to report or reflect the uniqueness of a segment of the American community - not to preach hate and separation.

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 7:14am.

Miscreant -- An evildoer; a villain (an infidel; a heretic) -- Utterly reprehensible in nature or behavior; a person of the highest degree of unworth Shocked

Will you please provide proof of your claim that Beaver "repeat[s] over and over again the ranting of groups like the White Supremacy Council, the KKK, The Arian [Aryan] Brotherhood, etc., that this is a 'white' country. . .and others of a different hue are inferior"?

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The opinion of the Miss Black America Pageant is that Black is the most beautiful entity any human being with dark skin can be in America.

I can understand a lot of their goals but wonder if exclusion promotes racial harmony and if there's a double standard. Would it be OK if the Miss America pageant excluded "blacks" since they have their own separate pageant? I can't find a picture of a "white" contestant in the MBAP. Perhaps "whites" aren't officially "excluded," but it looks like they are since the purpose of the contest is to promote the concept "Black is beautiful."

Would an organization be tolerated if its goal were for the advancement of "white" people (males in particular), as in the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People? I can understand why it was formed so long ago, but is it very divisive and used against "whites" now and to gain preferential treatment? How would most "whites" respond if asked what feelings and/or associations does the word NAACP elicit?


"Is the Congressional Black Caucus racially exclusive?"

"Yes. It has never had a white member in its 36-year history. However, its stated mission is to work for 'America's neglected citizens,' whatever their color."


"Black Caucus: Whites Not Allowed"

"Several current and former caucus members [all 'black'] made it clear to him that whites need not apply."

"Former Rep. William Lacy Clay Sr., D-Mo., a co-founder of the caucus, had circulated a memo telling members it was 'critical' that the group remain 'exclusively African-American.'"


Submitted by thebeaver on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 7:31am.

I asked DM for proof of any statements that I made related to white supremecy groups yesterday afternoon. (see the post below yours)

Bottom line is, David's Mom is a pathological liar, in the same vein as Al "Tawana Brawley" Sharpton. She will make outrageous claims and lie about people to paint them the way she sees them.

I sincerely believe that she is in need of counseling, and hope that she gets it.

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Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 2:48pm.

Scooby,

Where have I repeated "over and over again the ranting of groups like the White Supremacy Council, the KKK, The Arian Brotherhood, etc., that this is a 'white' country. . .and others of a different hue are inferior."????

Please quote exactly where I have repeated the words from any of those dispicable organizations. Now, I know you can't, so I wish you would quit lying.

If you have feelings of inferiority towards people of pallor, then that's your problem - deal with it.
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Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:16pm.

Birds of a feather. Unfortunately Beaver, you try to claim that you are not racist in thought or action - and yet more than once, your true colors have been exposed. Beaver, read your own blogs. Do you think you express the thoughts of a loving American who includes all Americans as part of the American family? Git, you have been honest about your feelings - yet both of you (and others) find it difficult when you realize that you are part of America that has been raised in a racist environment. . .with prejudice towards those of a different hue. I certainly don't exclude myself from this 'disease' called racism. We have all been infected. It just amazes me when some try to deny and/or are unwilling to try to heal the disease.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:26pm.

If only I were as good as righteous as you. You claim to be a healer but have proved yourself to be a divider. Good day my fellow bigot.

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Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:40pm.

It's an honor (IMO) to be divided from the likes of you. God is not through with me yet - maybe someday we can 'unite'. I'll work on it.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:46pm.

Start by quitting your addiction of throwing your fistfuls of 'race sand' in the eyes of every white person you encounter on these blogs. We all all agree with you in many regards, but like ole Uncle Festus at a party, the first few times he farts in his sleep it's kind of humorous. After about six times the room really starts to reek.

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Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:22pm.

Sorry for making you uncomfortable. Your response 'reeks'.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:10pm.

Uncomfortable? Puzzled Me? Nah... I'll feel better soon as go to the bathroom.

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Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:25pm.

Great! At least you won't be full of it! Smiling

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:43pm.

I always feel better after paying homage to your presidential candidate. Smiling

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Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:25pm.

Please quote anything from any of my blogs that implies that anyone of a different hue than mine is inferior.

If you won't or can't do that, then you really need to shut your pie hole. You sound ridiculous.

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If Barack wins, America Loses

Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 4:01pm.

Over 6+ pages of rants on Obama. . .and your pointing out his 'blackness' and ties to the Black Panther Party, etc., etc., ad-nauseum. You are obsessed that a 'black' man may become president of the US. If you had just stuck to his political stand - it would not appear racist - but you do the reading.

Submitted by thebeaver on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 7:24am.

When did I make any disparaging remarks regarding the color of Obama's skin?

Of course I brought up his association with the Black Panthers, Farrakhan, BLT, etc. these are militant hate groups, and it's legitimate to want to know why he associates himself with them.

Either put up some proof, or apologize.
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Barack Obama is the personification of a wolf in sheep's clothing.

The Perverse Worship of a man

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:59pm.

You are obsessed that a 'black' man may become president of the US

And the black community isn't obsessed with the prospects that a 'black' man may be come president? Hey, I have no problem with a black man becoming president..... lest that black man be the empty suited Obama. Give me Condeleeza and I'll start contributing monies back in politics again. But, forget the Marxist Obama and his racist supporters.

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Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 7:53pm.

The democratic party is never going to forget the black voters abandoning the best friend they ever had recently in power---the Clintons.
90-95 percent of all blacks are now voting for Obama, who as far as I know has accomplished nothing for them and doesn't have the power if elected to do anything!

I hope they can find a few republicans to put a few money bills through for them in the future.

Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 8:41pm.

. .and 40 to 60 percent of 'white' voters are voting for Obama in some states. Truman, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Johnson, Carter, and others before Bush have been good to all Americans - including 'blacks'. Do you think Obama is ahead ONLY because of the 'black' vote? I don't think so - we are still a minority. Do you think Obama has raised millions only from 'black' people? I know that's not true. There is a coalition of Americans who are voting for Obama. Bill Clinton was/is adored by the black community. He is not running for President.

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 8:26pm.

In case all of the old schoolers haven't noticed, with the younger generations, it is now voters who are black, not black voters, voters who are white, not white voters, voters who are all shades of tan, not tan voters.
What does it take to teach diversity? Unlearn what you have been taught and have the heart of a child. My granddaughter went to school with children of various cultures and races. She would not know what the heck all of this is about.


Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 8:33pm.

We're getting closer to the view through your granddaughters eyes. You have to be carefully taught to distrust or fear because of 'color'. You and your children have done a good job regarding diversity. Keep it up!

Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 7:25pm.

The comment "obsession' was meant for Beaver who has posted over and over again. I see you agree with his empty suit theory. You see me as a divider - but many others see Obama as a uniter. He certainly is a motivator -and effective fundraiser. Anyway - politics I won't discuss here. I'm a blue fish in a red sea.

Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:49pm.

I never mentioned Barack's color. You are an outright liar.

Barack Obama is the personification of a wolf in sheep's clothing.

The Perverse Worship of a man

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:04pm.

Wow! After you scrapped the skin off of ole David's Mom, I think you exposed an African American Racist.

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Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:29pm.

I don't know what got her all riled up. It appears that she is struggling with some sort of inferiority complex with people of pallor.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:37pm.

desperately to be a "wannabe".... you know.. 'passing'. Eye-wink

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Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:52pm.

A wannabe?? You've got to be kidding. It took me a long time to realize that it wasn't 'loving' to feel sorry for 'white' people. You know - always wanting to get a tan, curl their straight hair, make their lips larger, clap with some 'soul', etc. God really isn't through with me yet. Thanks for making me realize that I have some self-healing to do. It's a shame that we all can't acknowledge that we have these feelings, discuss them, and get on with making this country reflect the words of our Constitution.

Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:59pm.

"It's a shame that we all can't acknowledge that we have these feelings, discuss them, and get on with making this country reflect the words of our Constitution."

We're trying to help you get past your feelings, DM, but you just keep bringing up stuff that happened before any one of us were born,
stuff that we had no hand in and shoving it in our face, over and over, and over again.

Get over it and move on already. Stop patting yourself on the back, because you have yet to even begin to move on.

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If Barack wins, America Loses.........

Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 4:12pm.

We're trying to help you get past your feelings, DM, but you just keep bringing up stuff that happened before any one of us were born,
stuff that we had no hand in and shoving it in our face, over and over, and over again.

You've used the 'talking point' of those who claim that racist acts no longer exists in our society. You can't heal it if you try to hide it. If you don't want to deal with it - don't respond to me. As I said before, I joined this discussion to deal with those who expressed racist ideas. You and others are fair game. Don't respond. I have no idea when you were born - what do you feel about racism that has manifested itself lately? I know you feel uncomfortable about discussing 'race' - but when one throws a shoe into a bunch of chickens - the one who is hit is the one who yells. If you have no racist feelings . . .have a great life. Oh by the way - deal with Obama based on his 'ideas' not his 'race'. Try it - it's doable.

Submitted by thebeaver on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 2:25pm.

"Oh by the way - deal with Obama based on his 'ideas' not his 'race'. Try it - it's doable."

I have asked you over, and over, and over again to quote any negative comments I have made about Obama based on the color of his skin. Since you can't produce any, you continue to insinuate that I am a racist.

That is not true. I am against him for the following reasons:

He wants to expand government and government programs
He is for income redistribution
He is stupid enough to think that if he imposes windfall profit taxes on the oil companies, that it will reduce gas prices. (This has been tried before, and it actually drove prices up)
He's an income-redistribution advocate and has communist/socialist tendencies.
He is a 20-year member of a racist, hate-filled BLT church whose tenets support the destruction of white people.
His wife only became proud of America when people started voting for her husband.
He is inexperienced and naive.
He constantly is flip-flopping on his statements.

I could go on and on. The fact of the matter is, DM, that you are nothing but a pathological liar with a chip on your shoulder, cry racism every time you turn around, and a perpetual victim. Nothing that America does for the black community will ever be good enough for you. You are pathetic.

Get some psychiatric help, DM. Get some now before it's too late.

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If Barack wins, America loses.........

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Submitted by Main Stream on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:36pm.

people of pallor


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Submitted by BPR on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 4:15pm.

I love these guys: Big Daddy Weave- this guy has a great voice.

I saw this and thought of you and Mrs. Muddle

Click Song

I will never get over this song.

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We Will Stand


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Submitted by BPR on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 2:42pm.

Why can't you see people as human beings? Instead of ranting about race?

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We Will Stand


Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:06pm.

I don't rant - hopefully, just clarify. It would be wonderful if Americans saw all mankind as humans, each with his/her unique ability to reflect God. But unfortunately bpr, Americans and many others on our planet have not reached this level of perception. . . including you and me. If we could acknowledge the uniqueness of all of God's children and respect them as we want to be respected - we would be on our way to appreciating the awesome God who created different flowers, trees, animals, etc. so that we would enjoy the variety and diversity of our world. Race is one of the unique aspects of humankind. What a wise God to develop all of us so that we could live in the different regions of this planet. God left us the guidelines for living together as unique humans - we just need to follow these guidelines. Some call them the Ten Commandments - others have different guidelines - but they all carry basically the same message. If we could learn to listen to and live by this message - we just might experience peace - and enjoy this wonderful planet.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:35pm.

Beautifully written.

I was proud to cast my vote for Obama during the primary in GA, and I'm looking forward to casting it again for him in November.


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Submitted by BPR on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 3:36pm.

I am the one that said that I don't see race, nor teach my child race.

I am the one that said that there is only "The Human Race"

You found that funny- when I said we don't see color.

Beaver racist- not hardly- you and others are starting all the race talk.

BTW- BLT Obama is white and black, so no you won't have your black President. I am so sick of that. Does that qualify him.

Well, I have blond hair and blue eyes, I guess that qualifies me.

He lies, media has shown it, even the liberal ones. Go ahead and buy that lie and see where it gets this country.

As long as you talk race, I am sure that will fuel the fire for others.

No, I don't think Beaver is anymore racist than I am, just sick and tired of hearing color, color,color,color.

Yeah, where is God in this picture, Obama would let his kids have a abortion and not punish them with a baby. Sorry,, that is not from God that created the baby. Plus tons of others thing that are not of God.

Vote him in, all I can do is pray for him. That I will do. Have you glory time for a short season, we will see what shape our country is in 4 years from now.

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We Will Stand


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 9:25pm.

How could you respond to David's Mom's post with this hatred and anger? Can't you see her point in that last post? Think before you spew...Don't worry, your husband, Beav, Git, Skyspy and Denise will love you even if you are nice to someone every once in a while.

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 10:36pm.

Please point out exactly which words "spew" "hatred and anger," and try to do it without "spewing" any "hatred and anger" yourself, such as "even if you are nice to someone every once in a while."

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8-week fetus ("young one") -- Only 30-32 more weeks to go!

“Women who are experiencing an unplanned pregnancy also deserve unplanned joy.” (Feminists for Life)


Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:27pm.

I know you say 'it' - but do you live 'it'? It is very difficult to live as a Christian. Jesus humbly and with great love showed us how. He set a high standard!

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 1:28am.

"Do you live 'it'?" Smiling

How does calling Beaver "Mr. Charlie / Charley" and OldBeachBear "Ms. Charley" fit within "living as a Christian"?

There are several on here who frequently make fun of BPR's Christianity (as well as Southern Baptists, "conservative" Christians, Republican Christians, & others) and even mock Christ with the term "christianist" and "christiany." Some judge her & others but don't use the same standards for themselves or their friends (a common failing of all us humans but some seem to do it so often that it becomes a habit). Pointing out error, or perceived error, can be done without such vitriol. Would you agree? Smiling

Romans 2:9
There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile (that would be us!).

These two people groups despised one another 2000 years ago, and not a lot has changed over the millennia. People tend to divide into groups and distrust and even hate others who are not part of their group. So, the problem isn't just one of "race" because biologically there is only one "race" -- the HUMAN race. Smiling


Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:14pm.

As long as you talk race, I am sure that will fuel the fire for others.

Why should a discussion of 'race' fuel fire? Is it more incendiary than 'abortion', homosexuality?

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 8:17am.

Have you thought that it's your presentation sometimes? Your emotional filter (which we all have)? And that you're quick to ASSUME "racism" (to use a catch-all term) even when none, or almost none, was meant?

As Beaver is assumed to be "racist" because he points out crime committed by "blacks," you come across as very "racist" against almost every "white" person here who's not a liberal Democrat. Crime committed by "blacks" is a growing problem (not to minimize other criminals), but "whites" accepting "blacks" has greatly improved over the years -- not perfect, but nothing in this life is. I can understand (or at least try very hard to) how "blacks" feel when others see them as criminals because of unchangeable, innate physical features. Can you understand how "whites" feel when they're looked upon with suspicion, too, and assumed guilty when they aren't? (Example -- when you assumed that Richard sees all "black" women the same) Also, some of the antipathy that you feel is a reaction to your political views, just as you react with hostility toward the other side.

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There are "black" members and pastors who say, "Many of the [Southern Baptist] convention's black members are Republicans who are frustrated with the Democratic Party's support of abortion and homosexuality.” [And these "blacks" are often vilified for daring to go against the Democratic "establishment."]

"To take the years of oppression enforced on the black community and trivialize it because you want to justify your sinful actions, how dare you?"

"All those are liberal tendencies that go against the grain of what the Bible stands for."

A Gallup Poll published in May, 2004 indicated that 72% of blacks oppose granting legal recognition to homosexual marriage. The figure for the general population is only 59%.

A study by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life showed that since 2000, black Protestants have become far less likely than other Protestant groups to believe that gays should have equal rights. Black Protestant support for gay rights dipped to a low of 40 percent this year [2004], down from 65 percent in 1996 and 59 percent in 1992.

In addition, black ministers reject the comparison of the gay rights struggle to the black civil rights struggle.

Gays "cannot compare what they are going through, sexual decision and preferences, to what happened to us," said the Rev. Ken Hutcherson of Antioch Bible Church in Redmond, Wash. He invoked the three-fifths compromise, under which three of every five black slaves were counted in the populations of slaveholding states, as an example of the dehumanization of black people. "As an African American, can I have don't ask, don't tell? As soon as I walk into a room, you know I'm black."

God, Hutcherson said, condemns homosexuality. "I think it's a choice," he said. When his church members identify a gay person who is unable to change, "you kick them out," he said.

The Rev. Walter E. Fauntroy, a minister at New Bethel Baptist Church in Northwest Washington and the District's former congressional delegate, said that he defends gay rights in general, but that "I part ways with advocates of gay rights" when it comes to same-sex unions.

"As an African American whose people have not yet recovered from a form of slavery that was based upon destruction of the family," he said, "I believe we do not need any more confusion about what a marriage is and what a family is."

"Our entire church took a stand against the same-sex marriage issue," said the Rev. Stephen F. Smith of Greater Destiny Church of God in Christ in Memphis, part of a national congregation whose members number more than half a million.


"Philadelphia Pastor Herb Lusk Joins President’s HIV/AIDS Panel"

"Perhaps the most compelling issue of all is the life of the unborn," Dr. Alveda King says. "Faith in God, and the commitment to fulfill His will for our lives -- not faith in government bureaucracy -- is the key to positive action. Have faith in God!"


“How can the ‘Dream’ survive if we murder the children? Every aborted baby is like a slave in the womb of his or her mother. The mother decides his or her fate.”


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 9:27pm.

Or how about an avatar of a fetus or a caricature of Obama?

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 10:30pm.

Please explain how a picture of a pre-born child is "incendiary." Puzzled

(Surely it was an oversight on your part not to mention Main Stream's avatar of McCain or her many other "incendiary" ones, as well as the ones that Snif & others have used. Or is Obama the only one off limits?)

Perhaps this picture of an 8-week fetus reminds you that that "young one" is a human being after all, not to be treated like garbage to be disposed of. Sad

Sniffles slipped up and called me "BABY killer" instead of his usual "FETUS flusher" once. Abortion does kill a BABY -- a baby's a BABY, no matter how small.

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8-week fetus ("young one") -- Only 30-32 more weeks to go!

“Women who are experiencing an unplanned pregnancy also deserve unplanned joy.” (Feminists for Life)

A person's a PERSON, no matter how small!


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Fri, 05/09/2008 - 9:29pm.

Any woman who has miscarried a baby or has trouble conceiving could be hurt by seeing your avatar. Moreover, shoving a picture of an unborn child into people's faces is no way to combat abortion. It is, quite simply, incendiary. If you did not think so, you wouldn't utilize the picture. You are deliberately provocative.

Submitted by USArmybrat on Fri, 05/09/2008 - 10:08pm.

I am one of those that have miscarried a baby and it hurts to this day. That picture is beautiful and should remind us all of how precious those developing babies are, so innocent and defenseless. What is incendiary are the comments from people that try to forget that there is a life there and cry out for the pictures to be removed.

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Fri, 05/09/2008 - 10:18pm.

to forget there is a life there. Never said there isn't. Never even advocated for abortion. I am grateful for the choices I have made in my life, and grateful I live in a country with the freedom to make those choices.
One of my favorite websites is http://members.shaohannahshope.org/site/PageServer
Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Submitted by USArmybrat on Fri, 05/09/2008 - 11:20pm.

What exactly was your previous post about Denise if it wasn't judging?

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Submitted by Main Stream on Fri, 05/09/2008 - 10:12pm.

I'm sensing another abortion debate....

(I'll skip this one, but I'm placing my bets on SoF)


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 8:31am.

"Slipped up"?
I don't think so!
I simply "dumbed down" my commentary to reach my intended audience.
You seem to believe that "baby" is a valid synonym for both "blastocyte" and "fetus" (probably because your education never went beyond high school, if that), so I opted to use "baby killer" instead of "fetus flusher".

(I had visions of you staring blankly at the screen, thinking "why Sniffles talks about my feets?")

Have you summoned up enough courage to admit that you never attended college, "Doctor"?


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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 11:51am.

I simply "dumbed down" my commentary to reach my intended audience.
You seem to believe that "baby" is a valid synonym for both "blastocyte" and "fetus" (probably because your education never went beyond high school, if that), so I opted to use "baby killer" instead of "fetus flusher".

I've been meaning to ask Hack the following over a cup of kona coffee but it seems I can never get free for one of the blog meetings at Starbucks.

You say you were "dumbing down" your terms. Can we take a quick test to prove that? Hack ole pal-join in if you want!

Here's my questions. Answers are on the honor system and just between you and me.

You both have expressed that you have children that you care deeply about. When your wife was 3-4 months pregnant and it came time to tell your young kids (or adult friends) did you say?

  • My wife is carrying our fetus OR My wife is carrying our ______
  • Kids, mom has a lump of tissue inside her OR Mom is going to have a ______
  • Mom has a potential human being that at some magical point (that we can't scientifically prove) will become a real human person OR Mom will have your______ brother/sister in 6 more months?

Honesty, demands that I reveal when I took the test that I (and everyone else I've ever asked) filled in the blanks with the word Baby.

One great thing about spiritual Truths is that we instinctively recognize them.

I'd like to hear your feedback on the above and this thread.

I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born.~Ronald Reagan
This is the way to blog!


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 05/09/2008 - 7:11pm.

I understand the answers you are trying to illicit, but you won't find what you seek here.

1. My wife and I planned to have a "baby" before she was ever actually pregnant. We called it a baby before it existed.

2. I am still called my mom's "baby."

We can't confuse colloquialisms with scientific fact. Birth control pills do not prevent "babies" from attaching to Uterus walls.

I know that you feel abortion equals murder. The place to change the current laws is through legislature. As I sense republicans will lose more seats in DC, this is going to become more difficult, but we all know how one another feels on this subject here; don't we?

Again, I've never been party to an abortion in any way, but I feel that if a 10 year old girl is raped by her father (worst case scenario) and impregnated, the government should have no right to force her to be a mother to her sister at 11.

I really hope we get to meet sometime. There is alot I can learn from you I'm sure.

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Fri, 05/09/2008 - 4:57pm.

Hi Paul!

To answer your questions above, I'll use "groceries", "seizure", and "hermaphrodite", respectively.

You'll forgive me if I don't play your rhetorical "gotcha" games.

Likewise, your "appeal to emotion" might serve you well at your faux abortion clinics when preying on scared young women, but they ring rather hollow here.

I'm well aware of the power of words and how the anti-women folks like to use "baby" as a synonym for "zygote" and "fetus".


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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Fri, 05/09/2008 - 8:55pm.

The questions are, of course, voluntary.

Visit us (we'll kick out the red carpet for you) and I believe you'll agree we're anything but
a. faux
b. an abortion clinic

Now, a serious question- are the doctors who killed 26 million unborn female humans "anti-women" as well?


I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born.~Ronald Reagan

This is the way to blog!


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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 05/09/2008 - 5:07pm.

Basmati....truly you are one strange dude. Puzzled

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Submitted by sdg on Fri, 05/09/2008 - 4:07pm.

for Sniffles to "dumb down" implies he's smarter than Denise.

Based on his posts, that's not possible.

Stop the Torture (of the American people)


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Submitted by zoes on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 11:58am.

that as I was reading the article, I kept thinking of homosexual marriage issues today. Then the last line addressed it!

For what it's worth, I believe homosexual marriage should be allowed in the government, but not in the church ('church' being any religion, i.e. Christain, where their teachings don't condone it).

P.S. I would like to have rainbows and the word 'gay' restored to their innocent meanings too!


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