Why PTC has ‘stupid’ traffic lights

Tue, 04/29/2008 - 3:54pm
By: John Munford

DOT: Due to Hwy. 74 construction, sensors removed; timing system now controls many intersections

By JOHN MUNFORD, jmunford@TheCitizen.com
and CAL BEVERLY, editor@TheCitizen.com

So, it’s the middle of the night and you’re sitting — steaming — waiting, waiting, waiting on a red light to change to green on Ga. Highway 74 South — and there’s not another vehicle in sight on the side streets or the highway. And still you wait ...

You might even be thinking, “What stupid bureaucrat misplanned this stupid light?”

It’s true: Even in the middle of the night with few cars on the road, motorists traveling in the construction zone on Ga. Highway 74 in Peachtree City have to stop for red lights, most often when there’s not even a car waiting on the side street.

A survey conducted by The Citizen between 11 p.m. and 2 a.m. last week confirmed the phenomenon. The culprit, according to the Georgia Department of Transportation, is the widening project itself. So-called “smart” lights with their sensors buried in asphalt must await the completion of the construction. Until then, the lights are “stupid,” timed to change regardless of traffic conditions.

The Citizen surveyed all highway traffic lights in the city and found that all other traffic lights in the city at that time of night remain green for highway traffic until a car pulls up to a sensor on a side street, triggering the light to change.

Lights in the construction zone, however, will halt traffic on the highway to give side streets between 15 and 25 seconds, on average, regardless of whether there are any cars waiting on the side streets.

The lights are also programmed to provide left turn arrows for highway traffic regardless of whether there are cars there needing that signal, according to DOT spokesperson Kimberly Larson.

Because of the construction, the sensors that notify the lights to “trip” for side street traffic in the construction zone have been removed, Larson said. Instead, the traffic engineers have set each light on a timing system, she said.

The timing cycles are based on the time of day and also due to the various development at each intersection, based on a survey done by the traffic engineers, Larson said.

The timing cycle switches at 6 a.m. to minimize wait times on Hwy. 74 during drive time, Larson said. It changes later in the morning and then again in the afternoon for drive time, she added.

Because the signal timing is different than the sensor activation system seen on all other traffic lights in the city, the lights in the construction zone will change “whether there’s traffic present or not,” on the side streets, Larson said.

The affected intersections on Hwy. 74 include Cooper Lighting/Gardner Park; Dividend Drive/Panasonic; Crosstown Drive/TDK Boulevard; Kelly Drive; and Paschall Road/Willow Road.

Larson said the new sensors for those intersections will be installed near the end of the construction project, typically around the same time the curb and gutter system is installed.

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Submitted by 30YearResident on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 10:15am.

I actually sat in traffic court one day and watched when the judge fined a new resident moving here from out of state. He had waited at the light in question for a long period of time and after midnight.

There was no traffic, save one PTC revenue generator officer heading the other way and sitting at the same light. The gentleman, assuming that due to contruction the light was out of order, blinked his headlights, eased forward to view both directions (confirmed by the policeman), then proceeded on thru the light.

The office pulled him over and ticketed him for running a traffic light. (to protect, serve and generate a profit)

The gentleman, to bolster his defense, had emailed the DOT, gotten back several responses, took those to court and actually put up a good case of a defective light. The policeman complained and judge thru out the emails as "inadmissabe", then the judge found the guy guilty.

WELCOME TO PEACHTREE CITY !

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 11:04am.

I would not have gone through it when it was red even if the officer had told me to.


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Submitted by Acey1 on Tue, 04/29/2008 - 8:36pm.

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Submitted by snapfinger on Tue, 04/29/2008 - 6:08pm.

There are other places in PTC that have the same stupid lights. One is the light at Stevens Entry and Hwy 54. Many times, after sitting there for a long time, I have to back up and get it 'just right" in order to trigger the light to change. Another place is on Huddleston, trying to turn towards Wal-Mart. If the city or DOT has any suggestons, please let the public know.

Submitted by PreciousStahr on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 12:06pm.

You must be that stupid person who keeps blowing horns and shooting birds to the traffic lights!

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 04/29/2008 - 4:16pm.

Or just writing an article complaining? I would have thought folks would know that the sensors can't stay in place while old pavement is torn up and new pavement put down.

What else do you propose?

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 11:37pm.

for lights to change; like watching paint dry. It is as if they have been engineered to harass Kevin. With the price of gas, I find myself wondering whether to turn my car off as I wait (3 minutes of gas to restart) or just idle my life away. Sad

At any rate, spyglass, something very simple could be done. One of my most dependable watches is a Walmart $14 version that keeps time as well as my best time piece. How hard would it be to have these lights set to flash yellow along HWY 74 and red on the minuscule side streets from 11pm to 6am? I see this in many of the places I go; at home and abroad. It seems to work well. That's probably why we'll never see it here.

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)


Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 8:56am.

I do not think it allowable to let the lights just flash at certain hours. I've seen people stop at flashing yellow lights in this State.Sad This usually only occurs in the case of a malfunction of the light. I do think it is a viable option, but I wonder if it is legal in Georgia?

I will readily admit I have ran the lights on 74 South when they are red, and obviously no one is coming from the side streets.

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Submitted by MainframeComputerGuy on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 11:00pm.

At least the ones on the timers are on timers. If these so-called DOT "engineers" had any sense the three (now four) lights on 54 East would be tied together so you wouldn't get stopped at EVERY ONE. Same with the three (four) soon to be four(five) on 54 West. Remember a few years ago when good ol' Sonny brought in traffic engineers from (gasp) UP NAHTH to help "time" the traffic lights in this state so traffic would FLOW more efficiently? These clowns think "timing" means stopping as many cars as possible . . .


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Submitted by mapleleaf on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 5:43am.

I propose we respect the English language by using the term "waiting FOR the light" to change. Waiters wait ON people while the customers wait FOR their meal.


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Submitted by River on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 5:53am.

Hey, Bob's your uncle! Have a nice day, Mapleleaf.


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