‘Silent majority’ of voters repudiated Brown’s politics of personal attacks

Tue, 04/29/2008 - 2:54pm
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A recent column by Steve Brown has spurred me to write this letter. In it he asked citizens to get involved in local issues.

I am not a developer, builder or a politician, nor do I aspire to be any of these things. I am a wife and a mother and an active voter who follows current events. I would certainly consider myself part of the “silent majority” who is active in our community and proud to call Peachtree City home.

I believe that we, the “silent majority,” do get involved in a big way when we feel compelled to do so.

I, like many of my friends and neighbors, turned out in force to vote Steve Brown out of office.

It was not his policies that led to his overwhelming defeat, but his politics of personal attacks.

He single-handedly wiped away the spirit of cooperation that has permeated Peachtree City for decades and made it a great place to live. Everything seems to be a conspiracy to Mr. Brown, and those that disagree with him are evil and have bad motives.

What Mr. Brown never understood is that it is OK to agree to disagree and civilly debate differences of opinion rather than constantly and viciously attack your opponents.

I don’t think anyone would dispute that Steve Brown is a bright individual with some good ideas; however, his mudslinging and politics of personal destruction have precluded him from being a healthy and productive contributor to the local political scene.

Every week or so Mr. Brown writes a diatribe filled with distortions and mischaracterizations attacking Harold Logsdon, Steve Boone, Cyndi Plunkett, Eric Maxwell, Jack Smith, Peter Pfeifer, Robert Horgan, Herb Frady, Matt Ramsey, Lynn Westmoreland or whichever other elected official he decides to attack that given week.

While we, the “silent majority,” do not always agree with the decisions these elected officials make, we do appreciate their service and want civil discourse to be the hallmark of local politics. Repeated attacks by Steve Brown are one of the biggest impediment to this ever happening.

Kay Lloyd

Peachtree City, Ga.

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Submitted by John Deaux on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 7:55pm.

For saying what the voters continue to say... We do not want a negative voice representing our community.

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 8:52pm.

I was one of Harold Logsdon's strongest supporters on this web site when he ran against Steve Brown. Logsdon has proved nearly everything I said about him wrong while Brown has been proven right on many of the issues.

I'm not saying Brown is right on everything, but let's say I've never found myself wondering if he's getting money under the table like I have with some of the others.

Vote Republican

Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 1:11pm.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Submitted by Steve Brown on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 6:08am.

Now this is humorous. Kay wrote a personal attack letter regarding what she perceives as being personal attacks.

Holding hands and singing a cheerful tune while government leaders increasing cheat the public out of proper representation in lieu of catering to special interest only causes more disaster.

I discussed the issues and the people related to the issues. Kay Lloyd does not like that (Thank God for the First Amendment).

The points from the last letter are listed below. Does Kay agree or disagree? She does not say...

For any level of government to succeed, it must have a sense of honesty, a sense of history, a long-range vision for policy and the competence to shed the current consultant/lobbyist dependency. And the elected officials must remember the core functions of government are supposed to be centered on the people and not the special interests or whims of fancy produced by politicians.

I got a big chuckle out of the recent letters by Mayor Logsdon and Fayette Republican Chairman Josh Bonner. Mayor Logsdon has become the local apologist for past government corruption in Peachtree City, and Chairman Bonner is taking on such a role for the ideologically wounded local Republican Party.

Mayor Logsdon did one of the finest spin jobs on a local crisis that I have ever read. His thoughts on the police station disaster were hand-picked to sway the public. However, I will say Councilman Haddix made a much better effort to describe the situation in an honest way.

Of course there is a landfill on that site; the government documents clearly state this. But the important issues are the landfill was unregulated (meaning we have no idea what is buried there), unprotected (meaning no liners were used to keep whatever is buried there in place) and the city took 100 percent of the liability off the shoulders of the previous landowner.

The sad part is the City Council (Lenox era) purchased the property knowing everything I stated in the previous paragraph.

But the saddest part of all is the same City Council withheld the hazardous information from the public as the official city documents on the property’s status were not included in the meeting materials or press packets related to the purchase.

In addition, the mayor neglected to inform the public, before the vote for the land purchase, that he had a financial relationship with the landowners.

Mayor Logsdon’s letter on the police station was reminiscent of the local highbrows who pounded my administration for accusing the “businessmen” within the Development Authority of dishonest behavior.

However, the illegal short-term, high-interest loans were uncovered (where the $1.5 million went we still do not know), and, no, the tennis center never did break even like they promised.

If you remember, Mayor Logsdon issued a $1.5 million taxpayer bailout for those illegal loans which did not belong to the city. The mayor said the unbudgeted spending spree was “the right thing to do,” but he could never explain why. The local lobbying interests won and the taxpayers lost.

According to the six former mayors who supported then-candidate Harold Logsdon, government finance was the candidate’s bailiwick. He took office with the city being in its best financial position ever.

However, after several years of deficit spending, creating the highest rate of taxation in the city’s history and a lack of fiscal policy, we are now to the point of having to slash away at city services (same rate of taxation only less service).

The people who ran against Councilmen Haddix and Sturbaum might be thanking their lucky stars that they are not dealing with the current budgeting mess. The two new councilmen are still a two-person voting minority on the city council, but their voices must be heard.

The mayor’s pro-big box retail position officially ruined a village concept that existed in our city for nearly four decades. Additionally, selling the big box developer city property without the sale being contingent upon the approval of a development plan left the city in a very weak position.

We ended up with Planning Commissioners approving a bad plan because it was better than the horrible plan previously submitted. Indeed, [there exists] no sense of history and no sense of long-range planning by the City Council.

Perhaps the mayor and two council members [Cyndi Plunkett and Steve Boone] were so desperate for the cash infusion to offset their spending that producing a decent development was not a priority.

In fairness, let me say that Councilmen Haddix and Sturbaum did not vote in favor of the ill-advised sale of city property to enable the big box development.

Another short-term, standard-busting act is about to take place with our Fayette County Commissioners considering relaxing the county residential development standards. Government’s job is not to insure that local developers make a profit.

I talk to Republicans and Democrats alike about local and state issues, and there is not a whole lot of difference in what families on both sides of the aisle want out of local and state government.

Unfortunately, neither party is producing long-term leadership. Instead of being grounded in history and focusing on the future, our elected officials have forgotten the past and can see no further than the next election cycle.

Our situation will only change if you decide to act. Everyone knows the two atrocious bills concerning our schools would have been passed in the legislature if our local citizens did not create an uproar. Get involved in local issues and your family will benefit.

What is Kay's definition of harmony anyway?

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 8:22pm.

Of course there is a landfill on that site; the government documents clearly state this. But the important issues are the landfill was unregulated (meaning we have no idea what is buried there), unprotected (meaning no liners were used to keep whatever is buried there in place) and the city took 100 percent of the liability off the shoulders of the previous landowner.

To a hypothetical casual observer, one who has no skin in the game, this would sound like a classic example of "buying a pig in a poke".

I am a unit of little brain, in case you haven't noticed.

Submitted by John M on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 1:13pm.

the truth scares them. I would consider your letter bland compared to some of the columns by Matt Towery and Michelle Malkin.

You're causing the good old boys some headaches. Keep it up.

"I'm NOT John Munford"

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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 6:21am.

Where is the attack in her letter? I didn't read it that way, maybe if your foresight was as good as your hindsight you would still be mayor of PTC. I don't live there so it doesn't matter to me, but I do find you amusing as you twist things around to suit your purposes.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

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Submitted by Steve Brown on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 8:07am.

Interesting point hutch866, I did not take my letter on the police station as a personal attack either. Kay's letter is void of issues except that she dislikes me discussing the issues and people who shape them.

My letter that incited Kay's entry is above. Please tell me the parts that are "twisted" (hutch866) or are "distortions and mischaracterizations" (Kay Lloyd).

This is how the old guard tries to rein-in the trouble makers who point out things the people should not know. Remember, an informed public can be a dangerous thing. Smiling

Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 1:23pm.

How many letters have you written that are? The rest of them, more than likely.

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Submitted by Steve Brown on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 7:37am.

I guess if you were involved in the Development Authority loan scandal or the police station scandal, your opinion will be that highlighting the issues is an attack. On the other end of the spectrum, if you (taxpayers) are the ones paying the expensive bailouts in the millions of dollars as a consequence of the unsavory deeds, you are reading about legitimate issues.

The perspective varies depending upon what side of the legal fence you are on and whether you benefited or ended up paying for the damaging mess.

If what I am saying in the letters is not true, then cite the specific sections for the record.

Submitted by johenry on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 3:51pm.

You tell us what was so terrible about the letter. Your as limp as wet pasta blogs sucking up to the people who kiss the most developer behind are a waste of the everyone's time.

Neither you or Kay have come out and said what was mischaracterized or twisted about Steve's letter. Put up or shut up spyglass.

With you good ol boys, the best defense is a good offense. Steve is getting a little too close to home for some of you poor darlings.

Kay and you preferred the old Robert Lenox days when corruption was easy and no one dared to speak out.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 9:02pm.

out of Fayette since the vast majority of voters won't vote for Brown? Down real estate market slowing the move out?

You and the few other Steve Brown worshippers have the same mentality as he does: everyone who disagrees with his opinion is a developer, somehow being enriched by government, corruption, blah blah blah. All the incessant whining equals huge defeats in elections. Wise up already.

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Submitted by Locke on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 9:06pm.

I always liked Steve Brown. Voted for him and hopes he runs again. You're obviously a corrupt developer being enriched by the government.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 8:22am.

I never realized that the majority of people in PTC/Fayette were developers being enriched by the govt until Brown became a politician. This area has to have the highest concentration of developers of any area on the planet, or there are a lot of non-developers who simply don't vote for Brown. Hmmm.

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Submitted by Locke on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 11:54am.

Now you know that the whole county is full of developers! Although by saying that you did not agree with SB you virtually admitted to being a corrupt developer yourself getting rich off the government, how could you not have known that? LOL.

PS: Don't let that slip knot strangle you...

Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 4:08pm.

I said most every other letter he's written is an attack on someone or some made up Boogie Man in Fayette County. What is so hard to understand about that?

Obviously we disagree on Steve's approach. I've said on here before, that's one of his major problems. In person he's a nice guy, but when he gets to typing, something changes.

He screams of illegal this, illegal that, yet has ZERO proof. Beating a dead horse comes to mind.

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 9:00pm.

You sound like Barack Obama! What do mean zero proof? I agree with carbonunit52 on the police station being a pig in a poke. How can you defend stuff like that? You're ridiculous!

Vote Republican

Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 9:04pm.

Where have I defended it? Why is the current Council to blame for it? Why does someone always have to think everyone was out to get the Citizens of PTC in every issue?

That said, where are Steve's answers to the problem? I've read his rants about the Police Station, where are his solutions? I contend has has ZERO answers.

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 9:28pm.

If you're not defending the police station, are you saying Brown was right? If I'm not mistaken he was replying to Mayor Logsdon's BS about the police station not being on a dump and the other issues.

Please don't tell us you think the police station deal was above board. You've got to be smarter than that.

I agree Brown hasn't delivered any solutions. HOWEVER, I don't have a single problem with him pointing out the serious problems with Mayor Logsdon's fuzzy logic. That, in my opinion, is the right thing to do and I wouldn't call it negative at all.

Vote Republican

Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 8:59am.

It is apparent that many still do disagree with his brand of Politics. I'm not sure where this is going, other than round and round. IF Brown has any intentions of actually holding office in this area again, his tone will have to change. That is my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

I still think his constant rants with ZERO answers, as even you admit, is not doing anyone any good.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 1:12pm.

You didn't answer the question, if you perceive her letter as an attack, then using by your definition, all your letters have been attacks, that's the twisting part. I really don't believe I'm part of the "old guard" by anyone's definition, but if it makes you feel better go ahead.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Submitted by caring citizen on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 9:26am.

Kay, thank you for speaking up for the silent majority. This community is done with Steve Brown's politics of personal attacks, half truths, and mischaracterizations. Every week it's another personal attack on another person. He seems to think a new conspiracy lurks around every corner.His tone is constantly negative and rarely offers any solutions to the perceived problems he brings up. He usually focuses in on those that have defeated him. I think this is called, " Sour Grapes ".

Thanks again for your great remarks. Kay!

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Submitted by CCB on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 12:06pm.

I've disagreed with Steve Brown before on this site. Brown always keeps after Mayor Logsdon for not lowering taxes. The truth is Mayor Logsdon is under no legal obligation to lower taxes if he doesn't feel like it.

I think Kay Lloyd is right in saying Brown is an intelligent person. No one is going to say he doesn't know the issues of the day. However, I disagree with Lloyd on her move to shut Brown up. He's got the same right to public speech as anyone else. We didn't serve our country overseas for the Constitution to apply only to a few politically correct people.

Yes, the police station is a disaster but don't blame Mayor Logsdon.

I said Brown was the best person to replace Dan Lakly and I still believe it. If we want to continue to prosper in this area, we need to wake up. Yes, there are people in real estate development who want quality growth.

Submitted by John M on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 12:54pm.

Hey CCB, maybe you need to see a shrink. You would vote for Steve Brown but you don't agree with him on the issues???

The mayor promised to cut taxes and he didn't do it. Sure there isn't a law forcing him to keep his promises, but behaving that way causes the citizens to distrust the government. I don't know a single person who trusts the mayor any longer.

Steve Brown has the guts to say what he thinks is right and it tears at the heart of the good old boy stooges. They love guys like Logsdon and Chance.

"I'm NOT John Munford"

Submitted by HaHaHaHa on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 12:49pm.

CCB, did you read the same letter to the editor that I did from Kay Lloyd? Nowhere in her letter does she claim to want to 'shut Brown up' as you say. It is rather clear to me that she is simply saying that perhaps Brown should quell his personal attacks on all elected officials and try to get his points across in a more civil and courteous way than he currently does.

I think the fact that a wife and mother took the time to write a letter to the editor (not anonomously like others here or in free speech) should be a wake up call to Brown that his mean-spirited ways are not at all effective and are in fact a turn-off to a lot of people.

Civil and courteous discourse on issues is not only polite it is the correct way to do things. Brown needs to learn that. But if he doesn't ever learn it, it is still his right to say what he wants about whom he wants. No reasonable person would try to restrict that right from him and the letter writer in no way implied that, CCB.


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 8:16pm.

The rest of Atlanta just laughs at our small minded antics.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 8:18am.

I'm not sure anyone in Atlanta laughs about other governments when the City of Atlanta is so incompetent and poorly-run that they have no idea who they owe money to or why every year their Finance staff shows up trying to explain away another fiasco.

Then again, maybe they do laugh because PTC's problems seem real pettt in comparison:)

Submitted by johenry on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 3:37pm.

Kay Lloyd said Steve isn't "a healthy and productive contributor to the local political scene" anymore.

Wait a minute Kay darling, are you saying Harold Logsdon and his lies, the Development Authority and their corruption, the police station on the dump and Ronnie Chance and Matt Ramsey's sneaky legislation are healthy and productive?

Look darling, your letter was nothing but a political hack job. Who are you working for?

Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 4:15pm.

To root out the Boogie Man that so haunts Steve. What's your over/under on how many handles he posts under here? I know he has a select group of myrmidons.

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 8:14pm.

Exactly my thought stream...gotta love that when people point out the paranoia and pervasive negativity, the response is "Who are you working for?" Perhaps there is something in the water around here.

Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 1:20pm.

I've said on here before, that's his downfall. Constant attacks...with no real answers, except to say everyone is out to get the Citizens of PTC and Fayette County.

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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 1:44pm.

Brown can't comment without provoking a impassioned denial by the Development Authority Warner crowd whether its illegal loans, illegal closed meetings, leaking roofs, crooked sneaker contracts.....Brown could say there is a 30% chance of rain and the crooks would label him as negative.

Meanwhile we have a glut of dishonest politicians....

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 9:39am.

Indeed, it's the same voice as the overwhelming majority of voters in Fayette County.

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