Obama's Mr. Wright's Mythology

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Sunday, April 13, 2008 7:33 PM

In his speech on race, Barack Obama tried to explain away his longtime minister’s denunciations of America by saying that for blacks of his generation, memories of “humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away.”

But an examination of the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.’s background reveals that Obama’s characterization of his upbringing is mythology.

Described by Obama as his sounding board and mentor for more than two decades, Wright was born in Philadelphia in 1941. He lived in a racially mixed section called Germantown, which consisted of homes on broad tree-lined streets in northwest Philadelphia. The owners then were middle-class families.

For 62 years, Wright’s father, the Rev. Jeremiah Alvesta Wright, was pastor at Grace Baptist Church of Germantown. He was one of the first blacks to receive a degree from the Lutheran Theological Seminary in Philadelphia.

Wright’s mother, Mary Elizabeth Henderson Wright, was a schoolteacher. She was the first black to teach an academic subject at Roosevelt Junior High, the first to teach at Germantown High, and the first to teach at the Philadelphia High School for Girls. She became vice principal of Girls High in 1968.

Rather than attend the more racially mixed Germantown High School at 40 East High St., Wright traveled a few miles to the elite Central High School at 1700 West Olney Ave., graduating in 1959. Opened in 1838, Central High has a distinguished past and admits only highly-qualified applicants who are privileged to attend from all over the city. It is comparable to the Bronx High School of Science and Boston Latin School, both public schools known for academic excellence.

When Wright attended Central High, the student body was 90 percent white, according to students who attended around the same time. At least three-quarters of the students were Jewish. Former students of the period say racial tension did not exist.

Bill Cosby, who attended the school until transferring to Germantown High, has referred to Central as a “wonderful” school. In contrast to Wright, Cosby has denounced blacks who take refuge in self-pitying victimhood and seek to blame whites for problems in the black community.

“Central High was a marvelous academic environment,” says Tod Mammuth, who graduated in 1965 and is now a Philadelphia-area lawyer. “You had to have high academic credentials to be accepted and a high IQ score. Many later said it was more rigorous than college. We had no racial friction.”

In college, “I was so far advanced from the normal kids, it was almost unbelievable,” says H. Yale Gutnick, who graduated from Central High in 1960 and is a Pittsburgh lawyer. “In my freshman year, I didn’t have to do anything. I had already read most of what we had to read in English class, and I was equally advanced in the other academic areas.”

The 211th class yearbook described Wright as a respected member of the class.

“Always ready with a kind word, Jerry is one of the most congenial members of the 211,” the yearbook said. “His record in Central is a model for lower class [younger] members to emulate.”

Saying Wright can be compared to the school handbook’s description of “an educated man,” the description said Wright was “the epitome of what Central endeavors to imbue in its students.”

Next to a photo of Wright wearing black-rimmed glasses, the yearbook listed seven extra-curricular activities, including junior varsity football, band, school orchestra, and swing band.

In contrast to Wright’s comfortable upbringing, Morton A. Klein, who also attended Central High around the same time, lived in a poor, virtually all-black section called West Oak Lane.

“Four times a year, we would go to get big boxes of used clothing that was our wardrobe for the year. I never resented it. I was thrilled with my clothes,” says Klein, who was an economist in the Nixon, Ford, and Carter administrations and is now president of the Zionist Organization of America.

“We never went out to eat,” says Klein. “We had no car. We did not go to summer camp or take vacations. I had dozens of black friends. We played in the street every day. I remember my childhood as wonderful, and it certainly did not breed hatred of America. I loved America.”

In contrast, the man Obama describes as being like an uncle has blamed America and whites for starting the AIDS virus to kill off blacks, training professional killers, importing drugs, and creating a racist society to oppress blacks.

“The government gives them drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, not ‘God Bless America’ — God damn America,” Wright has said.

In a similar vein, Michelle Obama has said she is proud of America for the first time. Last week, Obama said Americans in small towns are “bitter” and cling in frustration to “guns, or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them...”

In his speech on race, Obama sought to evoke sympathy for Wright. He described a “lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one’s family...”

Obama said this was “the reality in which Rev. Wright and other African-
Americans of his generation grew up. They came of age in the late fifties and early sixties, a time when segregation was still the law of the land and opportunity was systematically constricted....Even for those blacks who did make it, questions of race, and racism, continue to define their worldview in fundamental ways. For the men and women of Rev. Wright’s generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years.”

In retirement, Wright will continue a life of privilege that dates back to Central High. As a retirement gift, Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ is building him a million-dollar home abutting Odyssey Country Club and Golf Course in the nearly all-white Chicago suburb of Tinley Park. The home sits on land the pastor purchased in 2004 for $345,000. In December 2006, Wright sold the land to his church, which took out a $1.6 million mortgage on the property. In April 2007, the church applied for a building permit for the brick and stone structure.

Wright’s new home has 10,340 square feet of space, about four times the size of a typical suburban house. It includes four bedrooms, an elevator, an exercise room, and a four-car garage.

Rather than being a victim of oppression of blacks, as Obama has claimed, Wright is a symbol of the American dream. Rather than meriting sympathy, he exemplifies what my friend Fox News contributor Juan Williams describes as black leaders who orchestrate support for themselves by manipulating blacks into seeing themselves as victims, creating a black “culture of failure.”

Obama’s attempt to excuse Wright’s hate-America rhetoric by deceptively describing his personal history and his failure to condemn him as a bigot speak volumes about the candidate’s own character and fitness to lead the country.

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Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 7:04am.

Wow, he sold the land to his church for almost 5x's the amount he paid for it?? Gee, I bet they feel blessed. A minister who would rip off his own congregation? I know that land appreciates, but, wow...

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Submitted by BPR on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 7:15am.

I have gone to church all my life and we never bought a retired pastor a house. Sometimes that would provide a house for them to live in while they were the pastor. Now, sometimes they give the a certain amount that is included in their salary if they want to buy or rent a house. That's the way my church has always done it.

I think Mr. Wright heard the song "Take the Money and Run." Well, he retired and left the campaign board for Obama. Do you think he thought he was hurting Obama with the company he keeps?

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Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 7:19am.

The problem is he will go underground now to spread hate. People who have nefarious intent hate the light of day.

This will be our last nice day for awhile, have a good one.

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Submitted by BPR on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 7:34am.

You are correct again, he's not retired. It is sad.

Have a nice day.

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Submitted by BPR on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 7:24am.

You are exactly correct. He has done it the entire time he has been at the church, which is sad. Mr. Wright's belief system will not go away it will stay with him. I would not want to be filled so full of hate for certain people.

We will see if Black Liberation Theology is still taught after this week and if they change their website stating it.

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Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 7:50am.

ahhh, to be so clear on others' motives and yet blind to those of oneself and one's friends. Ya'll spread hate like pollen falls in spring.
Of course, you will likely now respond and point out to all what a good Christian you are, and how you will pray for all these people. However, it is pretty obvious to even the most casual observer that you judge, condemn, and hate, and make every effort to spread that hate as best you can.

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Submitted by BPR on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 7:30am.

Life is good, isn't it. Aren't you glad that you are not so filled with hate for certain people.

After you left last night some more of Sniffles friends came. They are so kind that's how you know, well plus other things.

Main came keeping late hours, thought Main had to go hug a tree. I don't hug trees I thank God for the nature, it's beautiful.

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 7:50am.

Interesting article about Mr. Wrong. "A life of privilege" -- and all he can do is stir up hate. Sad. Maybe it's because his house isn't as nice as Hillary's? Or Edwards'? I know his is A LOT bigger. Not quite as large as Obama's either, or is it? Laughing out loud

There are some really nice people on here -- Skyspy, for example! Smiling He's always cheery for so early in the morning! Maybe we need to get a convertible. Laughing out loud


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Submitted by BPR on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 7:59am.

Skyspy is a nice person.Smiling There are some others that are nice and of course you, just a few that are not happy, and they love to try and make you not happy. They don't know me too well.

BTW read the response to Yardman and see what they call me, you remember I said I wouldn't respond if they called me that.Laughing out loud See another friend of Sniffles and I guess Yardman since he is friends with Sniffles and Main and others. Where are they this morning? Hummmmm

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 6:38pm.

trying to make a living, trying to make a living. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.


Submitted by Davids mom on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 5:52am.

Listen to Hillary's pastor:

March 27, 2008
Hillary Clinton attends the Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington. So does Bill Clinton. Hillary suggests she would not have the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama's controversial former minister, as her pastor.
But the senior pastor of her church has a very different take on how Americans should react to Wright. The Rev. Dean Snyder wrote, "The Rev. Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times. He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. He has been a vocal critic of the racism, sexism, and homophobia which still tarnish the American dream.
"To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church, which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear.
"Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize. This is a critical time in America's history as we seek to repent of our racism. No matter which candidates prevail, let us use this time to listen again to one another and not to distort one another's truth. "
JACK BEAIRD, GOLDEN VALLEY

. .repent of our racism This statement has nothing to do with reparations or guilt. Repent means 're-think'. That is happening in America today. We are 'rethinking' our attitudes towards Americans who are 'different'.

BPR -saying you don't see 'color' can be perceived as an insult. I for one am proud of my color - and the history of survival that it represents. We all should be proud of our uniqueness. To say that one doesn't see color is like saying one chooses not to see you. I think you are sincere in your desire to be inclusive - and you are not aware of how others 'see' you.

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Submitted by BPR on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 9:42am.

This is my favorite singer and one of my favorite songs. This is also an answer to your questions.

Click Russ Taff

The bond we share is all I care to see.

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Submitted by thebeaver on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 7:59am.

Get over yourself.

I can't speak for BPR, but I interpret the statement "don't see color" meaning "don't judge people by their color". Isn't that what Dr. King was striving for? Shouldn't we be judging people by the content of their character?

Beaird states that Wright "has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear." Wow. To believe that statement requires a suspension of disbelief. How can he be an agent for reconciliation while blaming whitey for AIDS and every other problem under the sun in black society?

By the way, the word repent does not mean 're-think'. It means 'regret, be sorry, apologize, feel sorrow, be penitent, atone, be remorseful.' Where did you get 're-think' from? From the Black Liberation Theology Dictonary?

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Submitted by Davids mom on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 4:36pm.

Many 'educated' persons are using the definition of rethink for repent. Many times we do not have to apologize, regret, be sorry or be remorseful for an action - we just need to rethink the situation - and move on. Most lawyers get all the facts (evidence) before they argue a case. Law School 101. Have you listened to Wrights speech? It will be played on CSPAN or CNN on Sunday. Don't see color - should mean respect or disrespect all for their actions rather than their color. King made this quite clear. Judged for the content of their character - not their color. It certainly doesn't mean ignore their color.

There is 'truth' in Beaird's statement. Your statement that Wright is blaming 'whitey' for everything under the sun is based on 'facts not in evidence'.

Submitted by thebeaver on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 6:09pm.

like David's Mom to redefine the word "Repent". Tell you what David's Mom, define the word - "Re-think".

I have listened to that racist, hate monger Wright ad naseum. He's a racist that hates white people. What more is there to say?

You need help, David's Mom. Seek Help from your nearest mental health care facility immediately. Y

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Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 7:15am.

Even when someone is nice to you, and clearly loves all people regardless of race, you throw it back in their face.

No matter what anyone says you seem to have a vested interest in playing the race card and the victim poor me card.

Nice.

Submitted by Davids mom on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 3:09pm.

This may be difficult for you to understand - but there are many blacks who do not see themselves as victims - but survivors!! . . and proud to have survived the America where racism had an ugly history. Times are changing - and I am grateful that I see a younger generation moving towards accepting citizens as Americans. Give it another ten years. We're on our way in spite of Denise, Hobbs, Beaver, BPR etc. . .and unfortunately you.

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Submitted by BPR on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 4:23pm.

I know you addressed Sky, but I have something to say. Do you think Black Liberation Theology is correct in what they say?

I've already have Hack's answer. I am disappointed

If you saw yourself as survivors you wouldn't have BLT.

I don't need KKK. I stand against their hate speech.

If you are survivors, you would not even bring up race. Thanks to Mr. Wright that makes his hate speech remarks like KKK makes there's.

If you are a survivor it would not be an issue. We are equal that's why we are the HUMAN RACE.

I'm a survivor because I see people only, THE HUMAN RACE.

Your not in my way except when hate speech like BLT and KKK says things.

People are people why do you have to see color? Please explain?
I am not against you I am with you, we are THE HUMAN RACE.

As long as hate speech is going on we will always have an issue. I thought you didn't have a problem with it, I guess you do.

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Submitted by Davids mom on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 4:47pm.

A strategy of preaching the gospel to those who need to be guided from hatred to love. The fact is - blacks in America have been marginalized. They survived. . . and Christianity (BLT) had a lot to do with blacks not becoming violent and 'paying back' for past injustices. Snippets from Wrights speech were used to play to the lowest thought in our American society. Blacks never left a service at Trinity Church chanting 'hate Whitey'. Think about it. Listen to the words in context America,

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Submitted by Main Stream on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 4:29pm.

that is the broken record skipping on beeper's turntable....


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Submitted by Denise Conner on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 8:08am.

The only response to Beaver that she could think of was "How are your friends Rev. Hagee, David Duke, McCain (hero - but willing to fight for 100 years?). You certainly are not a wolf in sheeps clothing - we can identify you right away!!!"

Hack responded, "Don't you know this man HAS NO FRIENDS???!!! He is even 'terrible' at restaurants." Sad

Of course, that's one of Sniffles' favorite pejoratives against Richard Hobbs: "Oh, wait, no....that was David Dukes. I have such a hard time keeping you extremist white bigots separated, you guys look and sound so much alike!" He also called Dukes Richard's "spirtual mentor." Sad

Do not be misled: "Bad company corrupts good character."


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 7:56am.

She didn't throw it back in her face, she said she believes BPR is sincere in her desire to be inclusive. I, on the other hand, will throw it right back at both you and BPR. Your posts show prejudice, stereotyping, ignorance and hatred for anyone that is different than you. I have seen you attack blacks, hispanics, immigrants, single parents, democrats, environmentalists, and others, as a whole, without thought for the individual person. No, I don't think BPR is remotely sincere. I think she is an approval-seeking, naive, and ignorant person who jumps on these bandwagons of hatred all in the name of Christianity. Unfortunately, I see a lot of that around here.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 9:40am.

I absolutely agree, SoF. "approval-seeking, naive, and ignorant person who jumps on these bandwagons of hatred all in the name of Christianity" sums up BPR's existence in one simple sentence.

Up until this week I was leaning towards giving BPR the benefit of the doubt on a number of issues, given her lack of comprehension on a number of issues of the day. I thought she was truly "naturally ignorant". One exchange this week, however, caused me to revise my opinion of her to "willfully ignorant". I'm paraphrasing here:

    1. Citizen article on three white men caught committing a crime.
    2. Race baiting Denise Conner says "it's too bad they are not black, they could blame getting caught on so-and-so".
    3. Kevin King calls out Denise Conner, quoting Denise and chiding her on her nasty racial commentary.
    4. BPR then criticizes KEVIN for remarks that DENISE made and accuses KEVIN of always bringing race into discuessions.
    5. Kevin points out that it was Denise that made the racist comments, not him.
    6. BPR then announces that she doesn't have a problem then if Denise said it.

    Simply put, BPR is a hypocrite. Perhaps "Hypochristian" would be a better word.
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Submitted by Denise Conner on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 10:09am.

Back up your accusation because I don't even know what 3 "white" men or what crime you're talking about. Your paraphrase is just another one of your many lies. And you think BPR's "ignorant"?


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 8:20pm.

find it quickly. Because I know you will clear this up for us.

You stated:

"Your paraphrase is just another one of your many lies. And you think BPR's "ignorant"?"

Is Sniffles lying, or did you inject race into the Weatherman story? Would you please tell BPR that your words are your words? She only believes conservative* sources.

Speaking of people wishing harm on America, did you know Rush Limbaugh is calling for Denver riots?

Kevin "Hack" King
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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 12:28pm.

Snif was mixed up on his facts.

I didn't inject "race" since I've told you before that there's only one "race": the human race. I was using hyperbole to point out Obama's affinity for radicals: "white" (Ayers & Dohrn) and "black" (Ir-rev Wright). I deplore their actions (Ayers & Dohrn & Wright) and could care less about their skin color.

If Ayers were "black" & Wright "white," then I could have said,
"If Ayers & Dohrn were 'white,' they could use their KKK theology as an excuse...." Equal treatment for radicals.

If you want the truth about Rush Limbaugh, then read this:


"Denver Post Downplays Recreate 68 While Criticizing Rush Limbaugh."

Recreate 68 & Al Sharpton talk about "demonstrations" that could turn into riots. Rush parodies their foolish talk and the DP distorts what was said.


“Trying to Keep Peace at DNC”

Re-create '68 says "tens of thousands" of peace and community activists hope to make Denver a pivotal political convention when the delegates come to town Aug. 25-28 next year.

The group aims to demand a change from the country's two-party system by making the violence-marred Democratic convention of 1968 "look like a small get together in 2008!" according to its website.

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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 1:20pm.

That's right. Denise is laying her bait out their for all of you race-baiter racists, and just waiting for the trap to spring closed on your little necks, and sure enough, she caught herself several race-baiters.

Of course, this is no surprise, since the recent polling coming out of the Democratic and Republican Primaries, has shown that the most racially charged voter out there is by far a Democratic voter. Even subtracting the numbers for the black racists, who are voting in embarrassingly large and racist numbers for Barack, the average white democrat voter is more racists than the average republican.

Which has always proved my point, that most of the racists that I know, are actually Democrats. The one's that make their specious and bigoted comments are racists.

I recall when I was in Law School. My Black and very liberal Con Law professor and I would argue relentlessly about many of the issues surrounding judicial activism, and how it has actually harmed racial relations, more than it has helped them.

We would have spirited debates and they were always very professional and academic. I did not fear his possible repurcussions, because I respected his integrity, and I knew he enjoyed the spirited debate as much as I did.

One of my classmates from Henry County was a white Democrat, and was heavily involved in democratic politics. He and I would ride to school together and he would make the God awefullest racial comments, that I ever heard. I'd admonish and mock him for supposedly being such a high minded liberal democrat, but hypocritically could say such horrific things. He'd just laugh at me.

One day, he even mocked me in open class, by telling my black, ACLU, civil rights lawyer, professor, that he should ignore my rather incediary comments about the Constitution and race. He looked at me and said, because Hobbs knows and supports Newt Gingrich. Obviously, he said this, to play upon the perception that Republicans are racists.

Well, on the next break, I walk by his desk, and he asks how I know Newt. I told him that I didn't know Newt outside of an occaisional visit with him while he was out campaigning. That he would have no real reason to remember me.

He scratched his chin and then asked me where I lived, and I told him, Jonesboro. He then asked what I was doing the next Saturday, and I said, nothing. He then invited me to his home, in a black neighborhood I am told, to meet a group of blacks that was meeting with Newt Gingrich in his home. So, I wandered into his neighborhood and up to his home that next Saturday evening and had the most marvelous time. I was intrigued by these very educated and professional blacks, and how they questioned Newt about the black experience and how becoming a Republican would be a good fit.

Newt answered their questions and impressed many of them there. My professor and friend and I talked for hours about that visit. He was by no means a Republican, but, I believe he was seeing many virtues in what the Republican Party stood for. (Of course, this was 1989)

My point is that in my humble opinion, there are by far, more racists that are Democrats, than that are Republicans. I've been around the hard and soft core of both sides, and I can honestly say that I believe this because of the evidence in the polling, and by my own anecdotal experiences. And I am not talking about the "socially acceptable" form of racism that blacks are apparently able to have, but the racism I've seen in the whites.

So, ignore them Denise. Whenever you fire off several facts about their candidates, and they can find some way to bring up the race card they are going to find a way.

In fact, its so easy to race-bait them, its sort of like shooting fish in a barrell. Which means, its just not fair, so I'd advise you to keep on keeping on, and ignore their following tirades.


Submitted by Davids mom on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 3:57pm.

Even subtracting the numbers for the black racists, who are voting in embarrassingly large and racist numbers for Barack, the average white democrat voter is more racists than the average republican.

Those educated blacks who are voting for a Harvard law school graduate, a US Senator, a successful community organizer, a leader of an astoundingly successful American political campaign, are RACIST???? Are they to ignore the first black American who has achieved the American dream and is certainly more qualified than our present President was when he ran for the office? Are the more than 40% of white males voting for Obama racists also? There have always been 'blacks' in the Republican Party since the time of Lincoln. You're right about more racists being Democrats (the old Dixie-Democrats who became Republican after Johnson). One can change a label - but the philosophy remains the same. The reality? There are racists in both parties - and in both 'races'. In Atlanta - the 'black' capital of the US. . .many black businessmen are conservative and Republican. Why would that surprise anyone? They are pragmatic capitalists. We have the laws to protect us now from civil injustice. (Both black and white) Now we just have to make sure those laws are practiced equally for all regardless of 'race'. We listen to Denise - why should she ignore us? We don't have to agree with one another - but it is enlightening to 'hear' the other's point of view.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 1:32pm.

By injecting race-baiting comments you have proven WE are the real racists? That is a bullet proof defense my friends. If you had never injected race, we would not have injected race, and you would not have revealed OUR true racism. Fantastic! Only problem is this:

Denise, in addressing Sniffles' criticism of your race baiting, you said,

"Race baiting"? Only in your twisted mind. I was using hyperbole to point out Obama's affinity for radicals:"

Problem is, Denise, you offended BPR! She said "why do you always have to bring race in?" So, I guess it was not just us liberals who saw your comments as off base. I know you are smart enough to draw that conclusion. You are partisan. I'm partisan. Richard is partisan. Let's admit that.

I just want you to address BPR, who CLAIMS she is all about truth, and tell her, "My darling, you were scolding Hack for stuff I wrote." Then explain to BPR the meaning of "hyperbole."

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 8:43pm.

Rush is saying that he is "dreaming of riots" in Denver. He is a criminal. Free speach does not include "yelling fire in a theater", and given his influence on the weak minded, this certainly falls into that category. What an un-American thing to do.


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 11:24am.

Point by point explanation for my fetus flushing fact-free fatuous friend!

1. Race baiting Dense Conner spews racial invective:
"If Ayers & Dohrn were "black," they could use their "liberation" theology as an excuse..."

2. Kevin King objects to race baiting Dense Conner:
"'"If Ayers & Dohrn were "black,"'...If anyone ever wanted to have a concrete example of what futile, desperate attacks look like in print, this would be an excellent cut and paste."

3. BPR criticizes King for race baiting Denise Conner's remarks:
"Hack, Why always bring race into the issue?"

4. Kevin King tells BPR that it was race baiting Denise Conner who made the racial remarks:
"BPR: Not a good blogging day for you!"

5. BPR attempts to change subject, then claims she has no problem if DENISE says racial comments:
"I don't have a problem with what Denise said"

Now, I will admit that I got the initial article wrong: it was 2 white radicals, not 3 white thugs, but the rest of my accusation is backed up by linked FACTS.

Any more questions, babykiller?
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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 11:31am.

"BABY killer"? So, you're finally admitting that an abortion ends the life of a BABY?

As Carbonunit said, "It only takes one sentence or idea expressed for someone to have an epiphany."

"Race baiting"? Only in your twisted mind. I was using hyperbole to point out Obama's affinity for radicals: "white" (Ayers & Dohrn) and "black" (Ir-rev Wright). I deplore their actions (Ayers & Dohrn & Wright) and could care less about their skin color.

Now if you condemn my statement, then you'll have to condemn David's mom saying, when referring to Ayers, "Would Blacks be allowed to escape because of a judicial mistake?" Only blacks go to jail? Puzzled

And David's mom (black) accusing Richard Hobbs (white) of seeing all black women as looking alike when Richard was talking to Jeff & did not mention race at all or David's mom. "I know in your world 'we' all look alike. The Congresswomen who is married to an Ambassador of the Bahamas is Maxine Waters - not Sheila Jackson Lee. As usual, you spout a lot based on misinformation."

And David's mom saying that David Duke is Beaver's friend.

And your calling Richard "David Duke": "I have such a hard time keeping you extremist white bigots separated, you guys look and sound so much alike!" And again you compared him to his "spirtual mentor, David Dukes" [sic].

David's mom, in response to dc Talk"s "Colored People" [one guy is "black"]: "BPR -saying you don't see 'color' can be perceived as an insult. I for one am proud of my color - and the history of survival that it represents. We all should be proud of our uniqueness. To say that one doesn't see color is like saying one chooses not to see you. I think you are sincere in your desire to be inclusive - and you are not aware of how others 'see' you."

And Sick of Fascists: "Hack, they are black."
"Obviously they have come here from a neighboring county and are genetically predisposed to destroy Christmas Trees. They don't belong here! Only golden labs are welcome in this county. Do I need to arm myself?"

And Hack's response: "SOF: Arm yourself with some beggin strips... And come get you some dogs. They only respond to 'gichoazobahee!'
'obahee rah nah!'" And David's mom responded: "Priceless!"

And Sick of Fascists: "Do they all just look alike to you Beav?"

WHITE $nif: "carpetbagging Republican Housenegro™ Alan Keyes" & "Grubby Herman Cain" (both black men)

$nif: "I think you got the wrong Negro there, Beavis. But I suspect that, not unlike Richard Hobbs similar confusion last week, 'they all look alike to you.'"

And there's David's mom's "SPIRITUAL LEADERS" -- anyone who rejects Wright's rants is "racist."

"Race baiter" is one of your favorite accusations -- let's not forget the numerous times you've call Skyspy that. I could list so many more examples of your supposed superiority. Why don't you "diagnose" yourself, or is it too painful?

Since there's a chance of showers and thunderstorms, you shouldn't keep your nose stuck up in the air. You might drown.

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8-week BABY (fetus = "young one") -- Only 30-32 more weeks to go!

“Women who are experiencing an unplanned pregnancy also deserve unplanned joy.” (Feminists for Life)

Abortion stops a BABY's beating heart! Sad


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 9:03am.

Amazing that you would even dare to log in and ignore the statements hanging above your head like an anvil. But I understand. If you even acknowledge the words which YOU WROTE, you would be confronted with the decision of :

1) Admitting you were race baiting or

2) GASP, admitting you were wrong to do this.

I realize you may not be capable of either. But it is nice to see that I'm still a fairly good judge of character.

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)


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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 10:49am.

Oh, MIGHTY BLOG MONITOR, I beg your most gracious forgiveness.... VOMIT!

How dare I IGNORE the MIGHTY Hack'em Up?

You don't control which posts I read or answer or when I answer. How about that for a dose of reality?

Oh, JUDGMENTAL OMNISCIENT [all-knowing] ONE, I started reading at the top of the "recent comments" (like this one is at the top). Your other arrogant post was somewhere below. I'll answer your accusations at one of your other posts. No need for me to "gasp" because I'm sure that you'll admit that you were wrong to accuse me of cowardice and lacking character. Puzzled

Go pat yourself on the back for KNOWING all that I'm capable of and for being such a good JUDGE of character. (What do you think about Snif calling me a "baby killer"?)

Since there's a chance of showers and thunderstorms, you shouldn't keep your nose stuck up in the air. You might drown.

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8-week baby (fetus = "young one") -- Only 30-32 more weeks to go!

“Women who are experiencing an unplanned pregnancy also deserve unplanned joy.” (Feminists for Life)


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 1:38pm.

"Go pat yourself on the back for KNOWING all that I'm capable of and for being such a good JUDGE of character. (What do you think about Snif calling me a "baby killer"?)"

As for you being accused of being a baby killer by Sniffles, I will defend you as vigorously as you defended me when SDG claimed I support hacking up babies. Ready for that defense Denise?
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Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)


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Submitted by BPR on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 10:30am.

I have read enough of your posts to know that you are not a race baiting person.Laughing out loud

I know I will get slammed for this who care?Laughing out loud

Pretty soon they will run out of bad things to say about me and have to repeat what they have said over and over.

It's a beautiful day- enjoy it!Smiling Life is good!

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We Will Stand


Denise Conner's picture
Submitted by Denise Conner on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 10:42am.

Haven't I heard those accusations MANY TIMES before? Oh, yes. $nif accusing Skyspy. Well, I'd rather be like Sky than like the $niffles Monster. Laughing out loud The $nifflin Gang twists whatever you say & repeats the same things over and over and over. Laughing out loud

Now BasNazi is calling me a "baby killer" when he's the one who loves abortions. Maybe he looked this little baby in the eye and decided not to support killing him or the millions like him? That's a lot to HOPE for, but even someone as hard-hearted as Snif can CHANGE. Smiling


BPR's picture
Submitted by BPR on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 10:03am.

I know your discussion is with Denise. I just want to say all I have see her say is about Black Liberation Theology. Which I don't agree with the hate speech, it like the KKK hate speech I don't agree with.

I have posted alot about Black Liberation Theology, I know you have seen them. You won't answer my question about it. I have even said I am not too proud to say the KKK is wrong.

I guess if you don't respond to me about it, I know what your answer is. My husband reads and does not post, but he said to me, I know he has seen it.

I don't know why it's so hard to understand we would be so much better instead of seeing race and just see valuable people. Honestly that is what I do. Even when we disagree.

Have a nice day.

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Denise Conner's picture
Submitted by Denise Conner on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 8:41am.

Too nice? Like when she's accusing someone of being friends with David Duke? Or when she's accusing a white man of thinking that all black women look alike?

"I have seen you attack blacks, hispanics, immigrants, single parents, democrats, environmentalists, and others, as a whole, without thought for the individual person."

What in the world are you talking about? Provide some proof for that.

What's the reason for your hatred, other than being a Dem and $niffy's cousin?

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8-week fetus ("young one") -- Only 30-32 more weeks to go!

“Women who are experiencing an unplanned pregnancy also deserve unplanned joy.” (Feminists for Life)


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 12:39pm.

That way, you don't have to face the words you typed, yet have claimed no ownership to. I've grown used to you over the last year and a half; kind of like a rock in your shoe that eventually is insulated by thick callous development. Others will have to let their skin thicken and their stomachs strengthen as you play fast and loose with issues ("400 scientists or 44 SBC ministers: Take your pick").

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)

PS: Thanks Sniffles, for ONCE AGAIN bringing these links into the current day for BPR and Denise Conner to ignore.


Denise Conner's picture
Submitted by Denise Conner on Sat, 04/26/2008 - 11:38am.

To IGNORE you, that is. I thought you promised to use the MUTE button. Puzzled "Claimed no ownership to"? My name's with my post; so, that doesn't make sense. What you want me to "face" is you as my JUDGE. Don't flatter yourself.

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8-week fetus ("young one") -- Only 30-32 more weeks to go!

“Women who are experiencing an unplanned pregnancy also deserve unplanned joy.” (Feminists for Life)


BPR's picture
Submitted by BPR on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 8:20am.

Why don't you try to comprehend the song. If you don't get it- well I don't know what is wrong with you.Puzzled Then again I do know.Laughing out loud

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Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 8:25am.

Once again you make this odd indication of "knowing". What exactly do you know?

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Submitted by Main Stream on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 8:34am.

she has a way of bringing people together.... bringing the Dem's and liberals together, that is!

We're glad you're here and that you have decided to join in the discussions! Welcome!


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Submitted by NUK_1 on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 8:09am.

Hey, this is a discussion forum with most members living in just Fayette County.....are you expecting some kind of big and serious debate or anyone to suddenly say "WOW, GREAT POINT! YOU ARE RIGHT AND I WASN'T"? Probably 95% or higher of the people who post here long ago made up their minds on almost any national issues like abortion,immigration, religion, national defense, which of the two lame political parties to be a member of, etc. Only the local and state issues are arenas where someone might actually have an opinion that isn't set in stone yet.

There aren't any debates here to "win" as much as it's a place to let off some steam and be partisan as possible. Post the same thing about BLT 5 times a day. Say Obama is a doody-head. Call McCain a warmongering maniac or whatever. Hate whitey. Hate the non-whitey. Blah blah blah.


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 8:20am.

You are so right.

carbonunit52's picture
Submitted by carbonunit52 on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 8:39am.

Expect nothing and you will never be disappointed.

These posts do more than provide a forum for those, who have already made up their minds, to vent. There a few people who post, and many more who are guests on the web site, available for the world to view. Most of the postings here are articulate and sincere. It only takes one sentence or idea expressed for someone to have an epiphany, and there are an abundance of those here. Keep it up everyone, not that you need any encouragement.


BPR's picture
Submitted by BPR on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 6:59am.

I have said the KKK is wrong. What do you think of Black Liberation Theology?

Colorless- One time you told me you liked this song: I think you need to listen again- I call us "The Human Race" only.

Click Colored People

If we saw people this way the world would be so much better. I live this way, it's not a problem with me.

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We Will Stand


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