I'm a Republican. Therefore I Deny Anthropogenic Global Warming.

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"I'm a democrat. Therefore, I believe that global warming is anthropogenic."

I've asked this before, but isn't it rather odd that disagreement over an empirical matter-of-fact claim runs along political party lines?

I could understand a philosophical difference that ran along such lines. It would sort of make sense to find people aligned politically in one way to believe that we have environmental duties, and those on the other side denying it. (This is, in fact, the case. Republicans tend to make crummy environmentalists.)

But whether (a) the earth's climate is warming up and (b) it is due in part to human activity is neither philosophical nor political in nature.

Shouldn't people on all political and philosophical sides simply be open to the empirical evidence, wherever it may lead?

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Submitted by sageadvice on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 2:28pm.

No, no, no. That has been John McCain's sin. He sometimes calls an ugly pig, a pig!
Also, one mustn't speak of overspending except in conjunction with further upper income tax cuts,
Also, one must be for any war we are in. No end is to be planned for, money is no objection.
Jobs are the problem of workers--not the government.
Decent wages for the lowest of paid people are verboten.
Health Insurance has two options, pay for your own or find a company who will; or, go to Grady and sit a few days. Or suffer and die.
Jobs only come from the Corporations and the Melons.
We don't want no draftees who are lawyers, doctors, CEOs, and well paid radio announcers.
Who in the h... cares about it being too hot in a 100 years?

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 8:08am.

Shouldn't people on all political and philosophical sides simply be open to the empirical evidence, wherever it may lead?

My answer: Yes. Take a look at the picture I use. We are all in this together.


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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 7:05am.

But no one is answering it.

The question is not whether global warming is real, but why Republicans and Democrats often take a different position on it.

Most of my trial attorney friends are liberals, and they routinely argue with me about Global warming.

When I start talking about the real facts, the real computer models and the real historical history of the earth to reflect a standard, rather than the "hockey stick" method, they get tongue twisted, because academically, they know they have no evidence to stand up to that.

Then it happens. They then say it. "But I can see the pollution, how can anything that gets rid of the pollution not be a good thing."

Then the argument becmoes nothing more than a tit for tat, and no reason remains to argue remains.

I know I have my subilimal biases. I just don't know what they are.
While liberals distrust our military and often blame America first, I tend to be more optimistic and I instead tend to be highly suspect of any group that demonizies "big business".

Global Warming demonizes big business, so it fits into the liberal mindset. Easy for them to find someone to blame for a problem that "anecdotally" seems right. Oh, the trees are budding early. Oh it seems so much warmer. So they assume that big business is to blame, and/or the American lifestyle that we all enjoy. The science be damned, it "feels" right to blame mankind for the "supposed" warming. Lets not look any further than that. (To hell with evidence of historical trends of 1000's of years. To hell with Mars warming too.)

My other "republican biases" is to automatically have a knee jerk reaction to anything a liberal thinks is a good thing.

So when I see Al Gore standing up there with his liberal friends from the UN, then I automatically start questioning everything they do.

Liberalism is predicated upon something called "incrementalism". They rarely attack a suspected evil straight on, instead, they find a means to reach their goals, indirectly. Global Warming is an attack on big business and an attempt at more government control all over the world, predicated upon some very highly suspect computer models.

Those predictions are used to socialize our form of government. So, I'm naturally suspect of them.

I will say this, John McCain, George Bush, and even Newt Gingrich have now jumped on the Global Warming bandwagon. I just don't know why.


Submitted by Davids mom on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 12:05pm.

I will say this, John McCain, George Bush, and even Newt Gingrich have now jumped on the Global Warming bandwagon. I just don't know why.

Possibly because they passed their Logic course in college. Global warming is an attack on big business? Please!! You're scary.

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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 4:49pm.

So its logical to assume that man made C02 is causing this warming climate. Hmmmm. Did you know that Idaho and Montana have extended their winter ski season to include May?

Anecdotal evidence true, but thats all that Al Gore uses.

The fact is, the Sun is getting warmer. It heats up the oceans, which produces C02. Go figure.

The Global Warming nuts, now called CLIMATE CHANGE, because they know the weather isn't getting Warmer now, are all the same bunch of enviornmentalists that we heard from in the 70's and 80's and yes, they are anti-capitalists.

It used to be population explosion was going to kill us all, 2 Billion people ago.
Then the nuclear winter from when a Republican got the chance to push the buttons.
Then the oil crisis
Then it was Global Cooling.
Then AIDS, we would all be dead by 1990.

The litany of wackos screaming about one dreaded disease or affliction or another, has plagued this world ever since a liberal got his hands on a typewriter. I'm tired of all of you liberals crying wolf all of the time.

There is no reason to debate this issue. You've already drank the Kool-aid for Global Warming...errr, Climate Change science.

So lets not even go there.

I do wonder though, why they changed its name to Climate Change.Maybe because they finally realized, it wasn't warming like they predicted it was. So they changed it to Climate Change when Katrina hit.

Remember Hurricane Katrina was just a knock on the door for what hell was to break loose in the coming years. Since Katrina, nada, nothing.

So, I'll sit and wait for more liberal spin on another crisis that requires some draconian changes in our lives.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

Insanity is arguing with liberals over and over again, and expecting them to finally consider the facts, and not their feelings.


Submitted by Davids mom on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 7:17pm.

I don't remember ever discussing abortion with you. Did you really pass a state bar? Amazing!! Liberal/conservative spin on the climate. Interesting. Your input in interesting. . .and entertaining. I'm too old to have my feelings hurt - so try logic. That works.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 8:36am.

"I will say this, John McCain, George Bush, and even Newt Gingrich have now jumped on the Global Warming bandwagon. I just don't know why."

I think I know why, Richard. It may be linked to this statement:

"While liberals distrust our military and often blame America first,..."

Yes, Richard, it could be that you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Global warming won't click with you until you are living on beach property in Kansas. And liberals like me distrust the military so much we join it, serve in it, and encourage family members to do the same. But each of our opinions here are worth about the same, right? 2 cents or so?

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)


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Submitted by muddle on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 7:11am.

That hardly qualifies as a counterexample. After all, it did not begin to happen until we had vehicles running up there.


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 9:07pm.

of God's creation, of the random result of the big bang, of the third rock from the sun? I agree Muddle, what does this have to do with whether or not you are a Republican. It reminds me of a neighbor of mine in 1994 who wouldn't vote for Jim Friday, because he was a democrat and she was "a Christian". As if christian and democrat are somehow opposites. Can't we agree that we should recycle and love God without getting into which side of the aisle we are on?

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 8:28am.

I think most can definitely agree with your sentiments. It's common sense that man's activities on the planet have an effect on quite a lot and weather is one of them. A real current example is how China is planning to launch rockets at clouds and disperse them to keep their opening ceremonies from being interrupted by rain! Where I think reasonable(and sometimes very unreasonable) people/scientists/etc. disagree is HOW MUCH of an impact.

I grew up in the era where several leading environmentalists were were writing books predicting loudly to anyone who would listen about the sure demise of the planet by this point in time. Others of the same ilk were calling for population controls similar to what the Chinese do. Obviously, they were so way off and so wrong that it becomes the boy who cried wolf syndrome to everyday people who aren't going to dig through reams of conflicting scientific data and opinions to form their own. When they see the guy who created The National Weather Channel say that global warming is a fraud and a crock, that's good enough for them. When they fall asleep listening to Al Snore drone on and on, they are satisfied with their existing assumptions. Al is real good at preaching to the choir but poor at convincing non-believers, which is why he let a lightweight like W eat him up in the debates.

I think the subject needs debate and serious discussion. The idea of whether it's "Christian" or not......I don't get that whatsoever. Religion is faith and I hope the discussion goes further than having faith that things will be fine if it's all business as usual.


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Submitted by muddle on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 9:52am.

Whenever my brother-in-law and I get into a conversation about environmental concerns, he repeats an argument that I think he picked up from AM radio talk shows: "It is arrogant to suppose that man can do anything to harm God's creation."

Heard this?

What can this possibly mean? So is, say, the Death Star in principle impossible?

And Christian theology essentially teaches that we have already mucked things up. Because of the Fall, the creation itself groans.

And the appeal to the Genesis 8 passage (God's hand is on the thermostat) to rule out in principle the possibility of anthropogenic climate change is just plain silly. First, the very idea of doing apriori science with open Bible in hand is worthy of the old-line young-earth creationists who treated Genesis as though it was intended as a textbook in geology and biology. But even if we bump the thermostat up a notch or two, the earth will continue to spin on its axis and the seasons will endure so long as that is the case. So if Genesis 8:22 is some sort of promise, that promise will be kept even if Minnesota starts growing coconut palms.


Submitted by oldbeachbear on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 9:00pm.

that is a fact, look at the trees. Do you see those iddy biddy limbs comming on the trunk that were never there before? There are much larger ones on up the trunk where they should get smaller. The reason is, those small branches are a tree's last dich effort before they die. We don't have enough water...A.N.D... we ...A.R.E....getting warmer.

Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 9:06pm.

The sun is burning hotter. It happens alot.

Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 8:52pm.

I highly recommend this book to those who like facts rather than liberal hysteria.

The Deniers

I also recommend the following book:
Gross National Happiness: Why Happiness Matters for America - And How We Can Get More of It

about why conservatives are so much happer than liberals.

Highlights of the book:

The political right are about twice as happy as those on the left and have been for at least three decades

44% of conservatives describe themselves as very happy compared to 25% of liberals

People who attend religious services once or more per week are a whopping 82% happier than those who don't

Money doesn't buy happiness: how average family income has increased more than 50% since 1970 yet the percentage of Americans who describe themselves as very happy has remained virtually unchanged

Giving away money does buy happiness: how people who give to charity -which conservatives (especially religious ones) do much more than liberals report much higher degrees of happiness

Taxation (which liberals just LOVE) creates tremendous unhappiness and how they percentage of Americans who describe themselves as not too happy rises 2.91 points for each $1000 per-person increase in federal government taxation

Married people are happier than singles, even those who co-habit with unmarried "partners"

Happiness comes from work far more than leisure and how the data behind this cuts across class lines, from blue-collar workers to white-collar professionals

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Barack Obama is the personification of a wolf in sheep's clothing.

The Perverse Worship of a man

Submitted by thebeaver on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 11:18am.

Scientist: Earth Cooling, Not Warming

""Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming," he explains, "the average temperature on earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously."

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Barack Obama is the personification of a wolf in sheep's clothing.

The Perverse Worship of a man

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 6:28am.

from today's AJC...

Greenhouse gased grow at fast pace

Keep the faith.


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 6:37am.

{bpr mode}
I don't see what the fuss is about the rise in greenhouse gasses? I mean, the number of greenhouses is so incredibly small, why should it matter?
{/bpr mode}
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Submitted by Denise Conner on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 6:43pm.

Rolling on the floor can get you awfully dirty. Sad

As Hack said about $, she's a person with feelings, but then that's never stopped you, has it?

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Submitted by Davids mom on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 7:02pm.

You know the rest!

Submitted by Davids mom on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 12:11pm.

My sides are hurting from laughing!!! Smiling

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Submitted by Main Stream on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 10:24am.

Somebody, get a net and get her outta here....

beeps: "Who's Annette?"

(come on...beep...you know we really luv you...)


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Submitted by muddle on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 10:20am.

Our family used to have a greenhouse out back. The only times we had problems with greenhouse gas was when grandpa hung out in there after eating grandma's chili.

It wilted the tomatoes.


Submitted by Davids mom on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 12:19pm.

. .that did it! I'm rolling on the floor!!

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 6:43am.

"I don't have to read about that, I already know all the answers." Keep[ the faith

Democracy is not a spectator sport.


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 9:45pm.

certainly seem happy...especially when spewing hate. I often worry that the Citizen webblogs will keep new business from locating here, leading to an economic downturn in Fayette County.

Submitted by Davids mom on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 12:16pm.

Ths conservatives on this site who are comfortable with their 'hate' message - don't represent the conservatives in Fayette County. Liberal or conservative - the citizens here, IMO, want the same thing. Safe shopping and home environments, trustworthy police department, excellent schools, the freedom to worship as they please.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 12:21pm.

and I just want to ride my bicycle. Smiling
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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 12:24pm.

This place is a bike rider's paradise.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 9:56pm.

If I was looking at locating a new business in the area I would go to:

A.) Clayton County

B.) Fayette County

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Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 10:01pm.

C.) Coweta County
D.) Troup County
or even
E.) None of the above....think I'll go to Alabama

Oh yeah, it is happening.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 10:03pm.

it's not because of this blog. Smiling
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Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 10:05pm.

it doesn't help....

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 10:10pm.

it doesn't really matter. BTW, what was the name of the Korean heavy equipment manufacturer that is locating in PTC?
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Submitted by Main Stream on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 10:57pm.

is it Sany? I think that's it... building their facility south on 74 next to Cooper Lighting?


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Submitted by RetiredArmyMAJ on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 5:12am.

FYI,

It will be intersting to see how they adapt to life in PTC. They should bring much needed jobs.

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Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 10:07pm.

I love this place, and am grateful to live here.

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 10:08pm.

okay I am losing it....off to bed. Night.

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 9:19pm.

Dr. Habibullo Abdussamatov. He reaches his conclusions from observations of Mars.

The easiest thing to find is what you are looking for.


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 04/23/2008 - 9:36pm.

It would appear that Beavis' favorite global warming denier has a bit of a credibility problem with REAL scientists!

Gotta love these reviews of Abdussamatov's work:
Abdussamatov's theory has "not been well received by other climate scientists."

Abdussamatov's views are "completely at odds with the mainstream scientific opinion" and that they "contradict the extensive evidence presented in the most recent IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] report".(LINK)

Sounds like the sort of scientist the anti-science brigade here would welcome with open arms!

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