Comm. Pfeifer explains why he opposes new county defined benefit pension

Tue, 04/22/2008 - 3:30pm
By: Letters to the ...

I’d like to be very clear about my opposition to a defined benefit retirement plan, also known as a DB plan, for Fayette County. My position on this issue may not have been completely clear in the last newspaper story about it.

I voted against the establishment of a DB plan on Dec. 5, 2007. The vote was 4-1. I will also vote against a final version. I don’t believe they are satisfactory for employees, or employers.

DB plans are retirement plans. Basically, the employer guarantees a certain monthly benefit payment to employees after they reach retirement age, and retire.

The obligation on the part of the employer extends until the death of the employee, sometimes beyond.

If the employee leaves the job prior to retirement, the obligation still exists and the payments will be made when the employee retires, regardless of whom the employee is working for when they do retire.

This is in contrast to defined contribution plans (DC) where the employee and the employer put money into a retirement account.

If the employee leaves the employer, they take their account with them because they own it. If they die, their spouse or children can inherit it. When they retire, this account provides income for them. There is no future obligation on the part of the employer.

Fayette County has such a plan right now. It’s been working quite well. It simply takes a commitment by the employee to participate. It does not obligate future taxpayers.

In this case, the employer is named Fayette County, but the real employer is the taxpayer. You are the employer.

A DB plan obligates future taxpayers — you, as long as you live here, then your children if they live here, to pay retired employees a pension until they die.

I am opposed to making current, and future, taxpayers assume the risk and the expense of a retirement program that can be open-ended, as DB plans are. This includes any Fayette County employees who are also taxpayers in Fayette County.

DB plans are dinosaurs. Costs always soar. Private business, and many public entities such as cities, counties, and states, etc., are eliminating them because they can’t afford them.

Promises have been broken using the bankruptcy process and even by going out of business.

Ask former Eastern Airlines employees what happened to their plan. And, ask current Delta employees about their plan. Even the city of Atlanta is backing away from them.

People — taxpayers — you, who may have lost DB plans or never had one, will be paying for the cost of a plan for your employees. Does that make sense to you, or seem fair to you?

I believe that promises should not be made unless there is very strong reason to believe that they can be kept. The people who make promises about DB plans don’t have to keep them. They make the easy promises now, and the responsibility to fulfill these plans comes due in the future and someone else has to deliver.

Are you familiar with the promises made by Washington about Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid and the welfare system? Once “the camel’s nose is under the tent,” we can count on seeing the whole camel eventually. That is simply how these things work. The only way to control them is to never start them.

I try to give everybody and every proposal the benefit of the doubt. I think it’s my obligation as I represent you.

I’ve listened to the proposals for a DB plan. I just don’t believe that Fayette County and some advisors are that much smarter than the rest of the world.

Peter Pfeifer

County Commission, Post 3

Peachtree City, Ga.

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Submitted by mapleleaf on Thu, 04/24/2008 - 4:32pm.

Commissioner Pfeifer makes valid points about defined benefit pension plans. He is, however, in error on one count. Employers who provide these plans do not have to keep paying retired employees (or their surviving spouse) until the day they die. The employers who do so choose to be self-insured. It is possible for an employer to buy a life annuity from a life insurance company when the employee retires, or at various stages of the employment relationship. After that point, the insurer bears all survivorship and investment risks.

Most employers with defined benefit pension plans choose to self-insure, thinking they can make money in the stock market and reduce their pension costs that way. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. Meanwhile the employers have to pay plan administrators, actuaries, and investment advisers. With public pension plans, the politicians in charge can often extract campaign contributions from these service providers in exchange for the patronage. That’s called “pay to play.”

Commissioner Pfeifer omitted one good reason for not providing a defined benefit plan: the employees don’t appreciate them. A defined contribution plan has a clear value, like a bank account. You can see the exact worth of your account. A defined benefit plan provides a monthly pension in the distant future. You’re never quite sure you’ll actually get it, you don’t know what it will be worth after inflation, and you don’t know the value of it.

A good example of a defined benefit plan is Social Security. A lot of people have no idea of what they might get and little confidence they’ll get it. One person I know who took his Social Security retirement benefit at age 65 had it appraised by an actuary. He found out his retirement benefit was worth $400,000. Who could have thought? Perhaps paying these Social Security taxes was worthwhile after all.

The relevant point here, however, is that defined benefit pension plans perform poorly as a tool to retain employees. They were designed to induce employees to work for the same employer for their entire career. But nowadays people, especially young people, move on readily, for an assortment of reasons. Employees want pensions that are portable, and practically speaking only defined contribution plans provide portability. Defined benefit plans provide complexity, unpredictability and great cost.

The people who advise the creation and maintenance of a defined benefit plan are usually the same people who are entrusted with doing the work later, at substantial fees, so it is easy to understand their bias.

On balance, Commissioner Pfeifer has got it right. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. He’s an angel on this.


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