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Submitted by SLUF on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 4:58pm.

I hate it when people say the government should do something about the gas prices. We caused the problem by driving huge pickup trucks and suv's and hummers around burning up tons of fuel and driving up demand. While I hate the high gas prices myself, I think it would set a bad precedent if government steps in to do something (what would they do anyway?) Imagine if you had a product that you made for 10 cents, but your customers were willing to pay $50 for it. Would you want the gov't to come in and say "You are making too much profit and we aren't going to allow it"? The problem is that we are willing to pay this much for gas and if you don't like it I suggest you learn to ride MARTA (oh we don't have trains here), bike to work, or maybe walk.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 5:08pm.

Bike to work.
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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 10:17pm.

When I see folks sticking their kids on the school buses in the mornings rather that clogging the roads with hundreds of cars per school hauling their chilren's. I'm beginning to think that the impact on individuals regarding high gas prices in minimal. Heck.. I don't see anyone cutting back.

A great place to start is making our students ride the buses rather being driven back and forth. That would include the teenagers too. Which opens up another can of worms...... school bus discipline. Shocked
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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 9:18am.

According to some opinons I have heard, that will not register with US citizens until gas hits $5.00/gallon. Our love affair with oversized (supersized is a better term) vehicles will probably start to wain about then. The kids do not need to be bussed to conserve energy, they need to ride in efficient vehicles. Personally, I am looking forward to the day when these SUVs are being used for storage on rural properties instead of being driven on the streets.

Fortunately, the workings of the universe do not depend on our beliefs.


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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 3:17pm.

According to some opinions I have heard, that will not register with US citizens until gas hits $5.00/gallon.

The funny thing is, that's what they were saying last year when they claimed concern would start kicking in at $3.00 a gallon. I really haven't noticed folks cutting back much at $3.00. Have you?

Kind of like the 400# redneck in his trashed out Chevy pick-up, complete with duct tape holding up the windows and some over-alls to boot..... He's sitting outside Olympia's Pizza in Stockbridge last Friday while his (should be in school) children were ordering pizza for take-out while he left the engine running for about 15 minutes. Guess high gas prices don't affect some. Do they hand out gas stamps? Puzzled

The kids do not need to be bussed to conserve energy, they need to ride in efficient vehicles.

Kind of hypocritical eh? I thought you wanted to really "get serious about energy conservation".

As for me and my family.... we're going to drive our SUV until the wheels fall off.

Yeah Carbon,
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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 4:41pm.

Critcizing someone's suggestion while bringing nothing to the table. May be that the redneck's starter was not working. I am serious about energy conservation, I drive a vehicle that gets 36 mpg. I do think those SUVs will make fine storage containers, because they are so big. My dad would have loved them.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 5:00pm.

I'll bring something to the table. ANWR - Florida Coast - California Coast - And the almighty dollar. I doubt you'll be able to figure out the latter.

I drive a vehicle that gets 36 mpg.

Goody for you. That's probably all you could afford. Combined together you and I get 27 mph. Thanks for easing my conscience with you sacrifice. Plus that leaves more for me. Smiling And when you grow up and get out of college, get a family, and enter the real world, you too may gain a passion to drive a storage container of your very own. Storage container..... I like it...... that's part of the reason I own mine. Eye-wink

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 7:04pm.

Carbonunit52:
"I drive a vehicle that gets 36 mpg."

Gitreal:

"Goody for you. That's probably all you could afford."

Dude! What a crappy thing to say to someone. I remember you "going there" with Sniffles, but he was pittying your kids, so I understood the dig. But this guy? Why flaunt wealth like that? That is honestly and truly one of the huge problems I have with "fiscal conservatives" in general and the whole Peachtree City aire. We can be some snobby sons of guns some times. Wow! That's all you could afford 'cause you probably don't make the fat stacks of cash I make. Dude. The meek shall inherit the Earth, and when the time comes, I want to fit through the eye of that needle.

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)


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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 8:57pm.

The dude is poking folks in the eye that enjoy their storage units. Perhaps I did go a teensy weensy bit overboard with the Carbon Unit. We all go there every now and then. But to compare me with Basmati. Shocked I will repent.

Now please don't go all righteous on me as you rip into conservatives on a day to day basis in a most ornery way. Need I repeat your vicious phrases of the day? Eye-wink

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Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 8:42pm.

beautifully. What an amazing attitude. Then he goes on to say he was just trying to learn more information about carbonunit. Insult the heck out of him and maybe he'll introduce himself? How about simply saying, "carbon, haven't seen you posting before...tell us a bit more about yourself"

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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 8:59pm.

Pleeeaaaaseeee.....

Your going to make folks throw up.

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Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 9:01pm.

Perhaps that is my ultimate goal.

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 5:19pm.

Git, you jump to conclusions, all of them as wrong as your meaness is thorough. I am 56 years old, a grandfather, and used SUVs are a lot cheaper than my car. Support for energy conservation and the development of solar energy are what I bring to the table, and neither one of them polute. The almighty dollar I have already figured out, since I do not see any armored cars following hearses.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 8:14pm.

It's an amazing trick that one uses to find out about anonymous posters who have only been on here for a few weeks. Conclusion jumping? Nah... I knew nothing about you but after you took the bait, I now know that your a year old male grandparent. That's more than I had a couple of hours earlier. Well, welcome aboard and kindly tell me what car is it that you drive that gets 36 mpg.

Support for energy conservation and the development of solar energy are what I bring to the table.

Great.... As a conservative I love conservation. On land that I own, I have rehabilitated some wore out land and am actually preserving some natural areas. Great conservation from a conservative. I'm also using technology in my business to reduce the amount of interstate trips my staff must make on a monthly basis. Great conservation from a conservative. Solar energy????? When it becomes feasible and affordable, I'll implement it. Recycling??? With commodity prices soaring I've directed my firm to start saving the large amounts of HDPE, scrap steel, aluminum and other items as those revenues will finally, somewhat offset the expensive costs of doing so. Great conservation from a conservative...eh? Ask me what I'm going to do with the revenue dollars from the recyclables. Eye-wink Second thought.... don't bother. So go ahead and gloat about how you are single handedly saving the planet by driving around your 36 mph gas burner. When you decide it's time to ditch the Prius and hoof it everywhere you go, then I'll admire you for your efforts.

As far as your tag line goes.... I couldn't disagree with you more.

Signed, Mr. Meaness

Whatever meaness is? Puzzled

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 8:48pm.

You mistake my meekness for weakness. I am sorry, I must end this wonderful exchange here, because I have become quite bored with it. You are obviously a wealthy man and I am glad for you, because I applaud the wealth of others, and have no envy whatsoever. Your clever baiting was not necessary, because I was accepting email.I am going to retire this profile, and waste my time elsewhere.
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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 9:26pm.

Make up you mind. Your about as wishy washy as BPR is with whether she wants to be call BPR, Beeps or Beeper.

Here one minute... gone the next.

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Submitted by BPR on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 2:32am.

I did not come up with the name beeps or beeper your friend Main and Sniffles did that.

I was kidding- I won't respond to beeps or beeper- lack of respect when I am BPR.

So do you Git it? BPR - End of subject!

I do know why your friend Main will not meet me.Eye-wink

The games people play. I know.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 11:51pm.

....with more than one partner. Is it a boot scoot, a two step, or more of a tango?

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)


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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 9:51pm.

I did retire it, and then unretired it when I realized that every post that I have made would lose the name carbonunit52. I am retiring from ever responding to you Git Real, unless you decide to drop the caustic style.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 3:44pm.

I can't concern myself with what everyone else is doing. We had our kitchen table meeting about fuel and I told everyone in the family to it make last. Limit driving, double-up on errands, drive at or below the speed limit, +10% air pressure in the tires and checked weekly. Finally, there's this bicycle thing to use. That one is for me. Smiling
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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 4:23pm.

Let me know if you start riding to ATL. Since we do work in similar time zones, we can toss your bike in the back of Big Whitey and I can drop you off close to your destination. Smiling

We all have to make a few adjustments for a while. We'll see how long this cycle lasts.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 4:31pm.

I almost did the bike commute to church this morning. But had to instead do a little marketing for the week. I'm off to Milwaukee tomorrow be back Wednesday.

I'm going to gym as soon I as can get a little more work stuff done tonight.
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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 4:40pm.

I've got 10 more to go to achieve my goal. I'm working out like crazy, watching what I eat and even doing that mind over matter thang.... yet I can't seem to knock the forty somethingish pouch off. Got rid of everything cept for my middle-aged, been-there-done-that souvenir they award you month's before that magical age of forty. That along with those spectacles they hand you at that same b-day party to honor your sliding down the other side of the hill.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 4:49pm.

I probably won't recognizing you. My problem is that I can't seem to connect with time thingy. I got to do a much better job. Whatever you don't let your weight get out-of-control like mine. I'm approach an age that carrying this extra weight is not good.
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Git Real's picture
Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 5:03pm.

I had to do something and do something fast. For the past 6 months I've been a mad man at this. Only problem is I think that eating at Pies On Pizza last night set me back a few weeks. Shocked

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 8:11am.

So in other words, Git, you're a follower, not a leader.

Like Split Decision said earlier, do your kids participate in any afterschool or before school activities? I suspect if they did, you'd fast change your pleasant little fantasy about kids and school bus riding.
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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 3:36pm.

The vast majority of the chilren's are not being dropped off for before activities, thank you very much. I drop mine off before the doors open so one of the Gitlets can get extra help with a subject she struggles with. I run into little or no traffic at all. Run the clock up 20 minutes and I promise you that there's a line that would extend well over a quarter of a mile long with vehicles trying to get their kiddies in there before the tardy bell. It really is a pathetic sight. If it make you feel better the Gitlets do ride the bus home in the evenings for 4 days a week.

So in other words, Git, you're a follower, not a leader.

If I were a follower, I wouldn't own a multi-million dollar business thus negating any 'real' concerns as to what the price of gas is on a day to day basis. I'll adjust accordingly and successfully in whatever environment I'm forced to deal in. Y2K's come.... and they go.

Sooo.... my point is and was that I'll start taking the energy thangy seriously when the school buses are packed. Another indication that times are really tough is when the Riverdale crowd can no longer afford to cruise the Pavilion. That hasn't happened yet. Eye-wink

pleasant little fantasy about kids and school bus riding.

Huh? Puzzled Puzzled Oh.... the hateful one opened his trap.
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Submitted by Split Decision on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 11:56pm.

for my high schoolers in the mornings because they have Zero Period and have to be at school by 7:15. They also have after-school activities, like sports, club meetings, band practices, or go straight to work from school. If the oldest didn't drive, it would mean a trip back and forth in the mornings and afternoons for me. That would be wasteful.

Riding the bus is a great idea - but if ALL high schoolers rode them it would mean more buses, or more trips for the same buses, in the mornings transporting all those bodies. For high schoolers who don't have an extra class before school or any activities after school, then riding the bus would make sense (and cents).

Are you ready to start carpooling?

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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 3:45pm.

However, the masses of drop-offs and pick-ups occur immediately preceding the tardy bell and immediately after the dismal bell. Many do go to after-school activities and many don't.

Like I said. We obviously haven't come close to feeling the pain of high gas prices yet.

Are you ready to start carpooling?

Nope. And like I said before..... wouldn't consider carpooling until I start seeing the buses filled. And it'll be a cold day in Hades before I ever ride MARTA again. And I'll give up my beer, cigarettes, and lottery tickets before I lower myself to the C-Tran system.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 3:44pm.

I didn't mean to double clutch the post button. Really!


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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 1:16pm.

The stone age did not end because we ran out of stone, although mankind in our present form used stone tools for 20+ thousand years (that was a result of the conservatives of the times I believe, and is most likely where the current neocon mindset first developed). Thirty years ago I read predictions regarding our present situation with oil, and the reaction then from the majority was hahahaha. It is not the "libs" and environmentalists causing the current situation, it is the fact that we (as a planet) have reached peak oil because someone forgot to factor in China and India. The US has 7% of the world's population and uses 25% of the world's energy, resulting in a very tough-to-kick habit of using way too much energy. We do need to wean ourselves from Mideast oil, but not by ruining the environment (my grandchildren deserve better consideration) but by conservation and solar energy. I cannot believe that solar is not being developed instead of these half-witted (at best) alternate fuel initiatives and using vast amounts of fresh water to retrieve oil from tar sands and shales. Talk about a complete lack of leadership. What is the reasoning for using up every drop of oil in this generation anyway? As an aside, bicycles are the most efficient means of moving mass there is, and they can run on human fat.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 2:03pm.

So which presidential candidate has the solution?
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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 2:20pm.

Me. Oh, you mean the mainstream talking heads I suppose. Well, it ain't McCain, that is for sure, and I doubt if it registers much with Hillary either, leaving Barak Obama, who would commit political suicide by even mentioning it. Oh, how I long for a character like Teddy Roosevelt.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 2:25pm.

status quo.
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Submitted by Cyclist on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 8:26pm.

is $6 gallon gasoline. Nothing is going to stop oil in reaching $200 a barrel. "Peak Oil" has arrived.
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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 10:03pm.

We've been through this before and survived okay and I suppose we'll survive it again. This market is being manipulated by commodoties gamblers around the world. Soon as enough of 'em pour excessive monies into market, the smart once are going to bail and leave a whole bunch of idiots holding the bag and prices will adjust accordingly. Just like every other boom and bust that cycle through our economy. Until then just kick back and everytime they swat you just say "thank you sir, may I have another".

Remember our experiences with these scenarios over the past 30 years and all the doomsday cries we experienced during the shortages and massive price hikes of:

Oil in 70's
Coffee
Sugar
Anti-freeze
Sex
Insert Other Unmentioned Shortages Here _______

Until the market improves I'm going to fulfill Obama's image of his non supporters and go say a prayer, make out with my weapon and be bitter . Cool

God! Thank you for this wonderful day and this wonderful country and protect us from those who would dismatle our freedoms and prosperity. Smiling

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Submitted by River on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 6:39am.

We can always grow more coffee and more sugar cane, and you can always take more Viagra, if you need it. (just kidding, Git) But we ARE using up all our oil. And the US is the worst offender, with all these idiots driving their Hummers and oversized SUVs as personal transportation.

We can debate over how much is still in the ground, but I think that you and I will live to see oil become so expensive that we will have to switch to alternative fuels for our vehicles. My best guess is this will happen in the next 30 years or so.

You may be right that the current jump in prices is due to price manipulation, but that's just short-term. However, I don't think we will ever see gas under $3/gal again, and I think we will see $4/gal pretty soon, perhaps this summer. Like Cyclist said, $6/gal is on the way.


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Sun, 04/20/2008 - 6:31pm.

I hate to think of you having passed this sort of insanity on to your progeny. "aides"??? Are you a simpleton?

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Submitted by River on Fri, 04/18/2008 - 8:43pm.

It's time to start driving smaller cars, not Cadillac Escalades. Sorry to disappoint the neocons, but there is only so much oil in the ground, and ethanol is not the answer. More drilling in Alaska will help for a little while, but the bottom line is we are slowly running out of oil.

If you go to Europe, they have been paying $6/gal for quite a while, and that's why they tend to drive small cars and ride bicycles a lot. Look on the bright side--they don't have the weight problem that we have in this country. It's a lot easier to control your weight when you are riding a bicycle.


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 6:21am.

Even now we get most of our oil from Canada and Mexico - I think less than 20% comes from the Middle East (although 100% of Europe's does). We could easily replace our 20% from Alaska, offshore Florida and Texas and even Wyoming. As long as the whining libs in Washington (mostly in the House) keep on with the enviornmentalist crap, we will never be able to start drilling, lower prices (by increasing the supply) and becoming self-sufficient.

If we took the money we are spending on the war and used it to drill for oil in our own backyard and build some more refineries, we would be home free in 4 years. Who cares about the Middle East? If it weren't for Israel and the oil and possibly our European Allies, we would not be so focused on that region.

We could also use some of the money we would save and close the borders. Sounds a little isolationist, I know - but the current path we are on doesn't look too promising.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 7:20am.

not an infinite resource and the world's appetite for it is growing. Perhaps soon oil shale and tar sands, which by some estimates peg us at having 100+ years of reservoirs, might be come economically viable.
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