Warren Sellers

I was told by a lawyer that Warren Sellers is gone. He didn't elaborate on why - can anyone fill me in????? Also, I've heard that 20 police officers/ deputies??? are gone. Is someone finally cleaning house???

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Submitted by kikenbutt on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 8:56pm.

Would you elaborate on "cleaning house" I would love your opinion!

Submitted by justcurious on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 9:36pm.

I'll be glad to elaborate - by "cleaning house" I mean getting rid of the corruption in our county. He seems to have some supporters and he may very well be a decent human being, but frankly speaking - I'm not sure how old the man is and how long it's been since he obtained his law degree. What I have witnessed in the Fayette County court system is the disregard of prisoner's civil rights (yes, they, too have rights that as American's must be protected), not to mention the disregard for the feelings of the families of defendants. No matter what some of you think there are people who break the law that come from very good families and they are victims of the crimes that their family member is on trial for.

I was just asking if anybody knew why he was gone. I was told by a very reliable source that he's been gone for a week and a half. As with most of what I say, some of you don't believe me - but time will tell. Just don't be shocked if he is gone.

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 8:35pm.

He got his law degree in 1985. I agree, he is an unmitigated hardnose, who does not know the art of resolution or compromise. Some will say we need a hardnose as a prosecutor, but he is unreasonable and self-righteous.

Submitted by simsylvester on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 11:09pm.

You would love to "clean house" by getting rid of all crime fighting police officers and prosecutors in Fayette County, wouldn't you? Fighting crime is corruption in your world isn't it? Just reading your post tells me that you are more in line with Jewel Scott's "Balancing justice with fairness" concept than Scott Ballard's "Guarding Whats Ours" concept. Don't tell me that the families of the DEFENDANT should be treated the same as the VICTIMS of their crimes! Come on! Move back to Clayton County.
No, for the last time, he is not gone. Go tell your reliable source to call the DA's office tomorrow and ask for him. And, spread the word...this county is not the place to start a gang, sell drugs, steal a car, drink and drive, molest children, etc. Criminal, meet the slammer!

Submitted by justcurious on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 4:22pm.

Hold on just one minute! Once again, someone misunderstands my message. If it helps, I'll write my next blog in Spanish! Cry you a river - sure and I'll build a bridge if you promise to get over it!

Again, if you have ever read anything I've written - I clearly say that I am not anti-police nor am I pro-criminal. Fighting crime is not what I consider corruption, either.

As a matter of fact, I AM TELLING YOU THAT THE FAMILIES OF DEFENDANTS SHOULD BE RESPECTED - NEVER DID I SAY THEY SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME AS THE VICTIMS!

I am not referring to defendants accused of brutal crimes, I am referring to people who were doing something that only hurt themselves, for example, using drugs. In cases like that, yes - the mothers and fathers, as well as other family members are victims of the crime of their relative. If my child were on trial for a first offense drug charge, yes - I would be devastated. It would be unnecessary, rude and just plain low class of a DA or an ADA to throw smart-a** remarks about my child and treat them like they are trash. If you are a parent, don't assume your perfect child would never do any such thing - you might want to hold your tongue, because it happens to people of every race, level of education, poor, rich - at any time it could happen to someone close to you.

In case you are unaware, Georgia is stressing Drug Courts to get first time offenders the help they need and to stop throwing them in prison, where nothing good will come out of it. The state is also stressing that courts become educated in mental health issues to recognize and get that person help while they are incarcerated. However, Fayette County doesn't seem to think they need to take that route yet, and I cannot wait for the day that the state requires them too.

Guess what - the majority of politicians, judges, and police are very good people and have the best intentions. They are human, like the rest of us, and some have egos and think they are above the law. We have some of those bad apples in our county and I am aware of what has taken place. That's why the Department of Civil Rights and other organizations exist - to police the state and federally funded systems.

If you think there's not one single corrupt person in our county system, I bet you cried when Nixon left office because he was framed, am I right?

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 8:48pm.

Many of us get exactly what you are saying. I do not feel it is out of the question to expect a certain level of decency and professionalism in the people who we, the citizens, employ. I was not impressed with Mr. Warren Selllers in the least, and if you check over on my "traffic court" blog, you will probably find other good citizens with similar sentiments.

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 8:31pm.

It makes us all fluttery when a defendant graduates.

Submitted by justcurious on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 8:56pm.

No, Fayette County does not have Drug Courts. Fayette County tries drug cases in Superior court, but that is not what I am referring to. There are presently 45 or so counties that are following the state guidelines for actual "Drug Courts" and trust me, Fayette County is no where on the list.

You get all fluttery, huh? It's people like you who say arrogant things like that, then turn around and your 14 year old daughter is pregnant or you 17 year old son is in jail for drugs. So, if you don't have anything nice to say - keep your big mouth shut! Smiling

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 9:16pm.

anger management court and think before you speak court also!

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 9:08pm.

You are right, we may not have the same level program as some counties. However, we have what is called "Drug Court" for offenders whose primary issue is drug addiction. We try to give them a chance to get clean, and if they do, the underlying charge is dropped. It is a relatively new program, so you may not be aware of it. It may not follow the state guidelines to which you refer, but I know that they are working to improve it. They "graduate" from the program during open court. So sorry if you took offense, but I really do get all fluttery when they graduate. I am always pleased to see someone clean up their life and avoid jail. For that matter, I don't think most drug offenses should result in time behind bars. What these people need is rehabilitation.
Not sure what an unplanned pregnancy has to do with anything (although I do have personal experience with same)....my kid is currently on a pretty good track, but I recognize that it only takes about a second for a good teen to make a bad decision and end up on the wrong side of the law! I keep a close eye on him and his friends (4 are over tonight for some X-box fun). I also pray and hope for the best, and lecture the hell out of him at times.
And it is virually impossible to keep my big mouth shut.

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 9:28pm.

Federal official to appear in PTC at conference
Thu, 05/24/2007 - 1:04pmBy: John Munford
Dr. Bertha K. Madras, Deputy Director for Demand Reduction at the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) and President George W. Bush’s “Deputy Drug Czar,” will be in Peachtree City, Georgia next Wednesday, May 30, 2007 to attend the third annual statewide Drug and DUI Court Conference entitled, “Georgia Drug Courts: Bridges to Recovery Through Accountability.”

Deputy “Drug Czar” Madras will provide welcoming remarks and a keynote address to over 400 conference attendees in official recognition of “National Drug Court Month,” which highlights the effectiveness and success of drug courts during the month of May.

Since their inception in Miami, Florida in 1989, drug courts have been developed and implemented in all 50 states and U.S. territories. There are over 1,925 drug courts nationwide as of January 2007, including 50 drug courts in the State of Georgia.

The Superior Court of the Griffin Judicial Circuit, which includes Fayette County, is working on establishing its own drug court session as officials recognized they need to be handled differently than other felony cases.
Drug court aiming to treat offenders, not jail them
Tue, 08/15/2006 - 5:32pmBy: John Munford
Judge: Program not for dealers, but those willing to kick the habit

Local court officials are putting together a special program designed to help drug users kick their addictions instead of heading to jail on felony charges.

A special drug court program is being formed under the leadership of Superior Court Judge Tommy Hankinson, who wants to steer addicts toward a successful treatment program with weekly drug screening and twice-weekly “drug court” appearances to track each individual’s progress.

Hankinson has had to re-sentence repeat drug offenders more than he’d like to, and with no treatment options in jail, they go back to using once released, the judge said.

The payoff of the drug court for addicts is not only a chance to avoid jail time, but also to get their most recent drug charge wiped off their record if they successfully complete the program, Hankinson said.

Participants will pay a monthly fee, with other costs picked up from a special fund consisting of revenue from court fines, Hankinson said.

The Griffin Judicial Circuit, which includes Fayette, Spalding, Pike and Upson counties, has received $56,000 in start-up grants from the state for the program, whose sole paid employee will be the drug court supervisor, Hankinson said.

The drug court will start small at the beginning, and Hankinson realizes not all participants will turn out to be success stories. But he wants the initiative to make a difference.

“Anybody can send someone to jail,” Hankinson said, noting that it costs Georgia taxpayers more than $17,000 a year to house one person in prison.

The drug court program will take between 18 months and two years for an individual to complete. Applicants to the program will be pre-screened by a committee so real drug dealers aren’t given a shot at using the program to avoid jail time, Hankinson said.

Each applicant must also undergo a psychological screening before they can be considered for the program, he added.

The applicants must be recommended for the program by their defense attorney, Hankinson said. And if they don’t have their high school diploma, participants will also be required to get their GED.

If a participant fails a drug test or fails to show up at the appointed time for a drug test, he or she can be put back in jail as determined by the judge, Hankinson said. And if a participant in the program continually falls behind on his or her obligations, their probation can be revoked, sending them back to jail for an extended period of time, Hankinson said.

A protocol to deal with such violations will be developed by the drug court board, Hankinson said.

“The question is, what’s the most effective way to deal with these people,” Hankinson said.

Also on the drug court board will be representatives of the district attorney’s office, the public defender’s office, law enforcement and the drug treatment community.

Some of the larger drug courts in the state handle as many as 125 offenders or more. That likely won’t be the case here, at least at the outset, Hankinson said.

He does envision growing the program one day to the point where a part-time senior judge will be necessary to take over supervision of the drug court operations. For now, Hankinson will be in charge of the twice-weekly hearings.

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 9:26pm.

"And it is virually impossible to keep my big mouth shut."

Me also. I don't think there is a cure, and I would not take it if there was.


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 9:33pm.

Indeed, nor would I! Especially not when I think I am in the right!

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Fri, 04/25/2008 - 9:21pm.

http://spa.american.edu/justice/publications/us_drugcourts.pdf
Which shows that the program was in the planning stages then. It has now been implemented, although we don't have a full time drug court judge. It is my understanding that Tarey Schell, the current juvenile court judge is going to be the parttime drug court judge after he retires from juvie court in July.

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Submitted by THE BOSS on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 8:21pm.

I Believe Warren Sellers Is Still With The Fayette County District Attorney's Office.

You keep that pot stirrrrrred up!


Submitted by justcurious on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 9:40pm.

The investigation continues, so I was just hoping that maybe the problems were being reconciled. Smiling

Speaking of investigations.....do you have any updates????

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Submitted by THE BOSS on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 7:56pm.

Patience,

It’s always the quietest just before the storm!

Mayor Bill Campbell, that was a five-year federal investigation,

United States Attorney

Or

United States Attorney David E. Nahmias


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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 7:41pm.

Warren Sellers is one of the best people and lawyers around. I do not know if he is still employed as a District Attorney. But, it would be a big loss if he moved on to greener pastures.


Submitted by simsylvester on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 7:50pm.

Take my word for it, Warren is still with the Fayette County DA's office. And, you are correct, he is one of the finest people and prosecutors around.

Submitted by simsylvester on Tue, 04/15/2008 - 7:08pm.

Warren is in the District Attorney's Office. Have no fear, justcurious, Warren is still there.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 9:36am.

Cogit, Simsylvester, and The boss, if you know Warren, ask him if he remembers Kevin King, the guy that came and paid him a less than welcomed visit at his office.

Here is my one and only unfortunate experience with Warren. Driving in my minivan around May of 2003, I witnessed a woman behind me pulled for passing on the right. The problem was the cars she passed were in a yellow striped region of an upcoming turn lane, giving the woman behind me room to pass in the southbound lane. I stopped to be a witness for the woman and was given the same ticket by Officer Sanchez Sad . I looked forward to our day in court.

As officer Sanchez had been driving North on 74 and was opposite the line of cars in the yellow stripes, she had no way of seeing where this woman or my car were (hence her inaccurate assessment).

In court, I requested a copy of her dash camera tape in discovery of the facts. Judge Eric Maxwell said EXPLICITLY, that I would be given a copy of this tape as requested, and we would be back in court in 1 month. One week goes by, no tape. Two weeks, three weeks. I finally called the PTCPD, and they were extremely friendly. They informed me they had given good ole Warren Sellers that tape two weeks earlier. G Warren was sitting on it. I called his office. No answer. Left a message... no call back. I finally drove to his office, and asked the receptionist to see him. I knocked, walked into his office, and he threw a tantrum. "How dare You!!!" With two days before court, he told me to make an appointment with him. Did he answer the phone to schedule that appointment? Noooo.

In court,Judge Eric Maxwell folded like a cheap suit and would not force Mr. Sellers to let me view the tape he had been sent per my request! When officer Sanchez testified that she was parked on the West side of Hwy 74 observing traffic, I called her on the mis remembering and she said, "well, I'm not sure where I was at the time." (sure would have been nice to show the court the tape of her driving north on Hwy 74, making a U turn, and going down the same stretch of hwy that the two people she ticketed had). At any rate, Judge Maxwell said something like "I've seen where the dirt is worn by tire tracks there. I know people have done that. The city has proven their case." And thus, I received my first ever traffic citation here in the great state of Georgia; first and only points ever on my license; from a Judge who would not enforce his Discovery order, Warren Sellers who would not obey it, and Officer Sanchez who could not remember where she was at the time of the infraction.

If I were reading this, I'd say it sounded like sour grapes. As a citizen whose taxes pay the salaries of all three of the individuals on the other side of the law, I felt it was an absolutely perfect example of a kangaroo court. I was not unique. I remember at least five other people who were absolutely powerless, regardless of the strength of their testimony and witnesses.

Again, if you know my old buddy Warren, ask him directly, if he was provided a tape of such an incident and what he did with it. He'll have a good story or a bad memory... one or the other.

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 1:37pm.

Many years ago, while a very young, thin, and still naive attorney, I happened upon a client with a speeding ticket out of PTC.

The officer caught my guy speeding with his laser. My guy believed, that the officer erred in his aim, and had actually picked the wrong vehicle. He didn't want to get any points, since he drove professionally, and he needed to be careful, so he hired me.

I, of course, told the fellow that I doubted that I could do any good for him. An officer's testimony is all that is really needed, but he insisted, so I said fine.

I appeared in Court, and Rick, the local solicitor, started his direct of the police officer. Asking him questions about the radar, did he have it calibrated, etc., I said, hold on Rick. We don't object to that at all. With a puzzled look on his face, he then laid out the facts and handed the cross over to me.

I then politely and succinctly asked the officer to remember this particular case very carefully. I took him through his day, and as I crossed him, you could see a light go on in his eyes. He looked at me and clearly said, you know what, I do remember there was a car on his left, that looked like his vehicle, and you know, its very, very possible that I got the wrong car with my laser. With a big smile on his face, he acknowledged that he likely made a mistake, but was willing to admit to it.

My client then testified that in fact, another vehicle had just come up over a ridge and flew by him, just as he crested a hill. And that the officer, then did a quick U-Turn in the grass, but could not see the other vehicle flying away.

I thanked him for his honesty, and obviously told the Judge, (not Maxwell or Ott) that the officer's testimony clearly established reasonable doubt.

Blam, went the judge's gavel, as he announced my client's guilt. A quick fine, and on to the next case.

Dumbfounded, I walked out of the Courthouse, upset at how the system sometimes works.

Rick came up to me and apologized for the judge's decision, and the officer apologized to me and my client. Told me he had never ever been cross examined by an attorney like that before. I said, shoot that was simple. Its easy to cross examine a person when they are trying their best to tell the truth, which this officer was, and that it just looked like I knew what I was doing.

I've learned in my past life as a criminal defense lawyer, that reasonable doubt is a moving target.

If you are a celebrity like O.J., well reasonable doubt is beyond reach. But if your some average citizen, trying to stand up for the truth on a speeding ticket, little evidence is necessary. In traffic cases, I think the standard is really "any evidence" of guilt. Otherwise, 90% of all traffic tickets would be thrown out. The officer's testimony is always given greater weight as the accused, and without some contradictory evidence, boom, you're guilty.

Heck, you're guilty even without the officer's testimony in many cases too.

All I know, is over the many years, I've cross examined hundreds of cops, and I've come to my own conclusions about their honesty.

Now hold your hats.... but cops are no different than the rest of us. There are bad cops out there, and there are great ones out there too. I know alot of people bemoan the PTC cops, but I've always been impressed with them and found them very courteous, honest, and professional.

So, one bad example, doesn't a reputation make.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 3:03pm.

But I ignored that advice given to me by every attorney I talked to before my case. They all said just pay. I said, "but I'm not guilty." They said, "doesn't matter."

I've learned. Thanks alot for your story. I will definitely do the no lo drill if I am in that position again.

The irony in my story is that I stopped at the intersction and waited for Officer Sanchez, who had pulled the woman behind me. THAT WOMAN PLED "NO LO" Sad

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 9:04pm.

The real problem is the economic incentive to find you guilty. The judge is appointed by the same folks whose revenue he is boosting by levying fines. The cops are encouraged to lie if necessary to make their case....once they have written a ticket they would have to eat humble pie if it didn't stick. I don't often see cops willing to eat humble pie.... they are too busy flying by me going 55 or so on the parkway, hurrying to make their assignations with other cops they chat with alongside the road. They trap you, and they get clapped on the back for it. The entire system is rigged. However, PTC Taxpayer is either an idiot or simply naive as heck if he thinks complaining to the state bar about your incident would have had any effect at all.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 9:21pm.

PTC Taxpayer is currently doing a disservice to Andrew Dice Clay. Tough talking anonymous imbeciles are a dime a dozen here. nothing new. I wouldn't say that the police lie. I actually love these police officers we have. The big problem I have is in each and every traffic case the police were "parked at X intersection monitoring traffic." What? Huh? Each and every perp broke traffic law right in front of a marked patrol car stopped and monitoring traffic? The real answer? They write alot of tickets. They can't remember the details. They know it most likely does not matter. They have the standard intro and the ticketee pays. I agree with you that we have a flawed system. It also would be comical to write the bar about not getting a video tape in a minor traffic case. Thanks for having my back.

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by hutch866 on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 9:29pm.

While it's true they most likely write a lot of tickets, look at the way people drive around here, if they didn't write tickets can you imagine how bad it would be. Just today I was on 74 headed towards PTC and was trying to turn left on Sandy Creek rd when the lady pulling out from Sandy Creek Rd decided she had waited long enough and even though I was in the middle of a turn pulled in front of me. The only reason I didn't hit her was I look for the idiots and unfortunately I am rewarded with idiots way too often.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 10:13pm.

much more often than we have shared coffee. I do love the police officers we have here. But the court they testify in, at least back in 2003, had quite a tilt to it. My opinion of the PTCPD has been shaped by many, many good contacts however. I've had them knock on our door and tell us to check our open garage due to activity in the area. Skyspy can attest to the quality of long blue liners we have here. And I've been traffic court clean for 4 1/2 years now Smiling

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 9:36pm.

Clayton County - GA 85 and the GA 331 merge to I75. There is now a traffic light that a lot of commuters are not familiar with. I witnessed several cars running the red light this morning.
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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 9:52pm.

I was one of them. I blasted my horn at the idiots obstructing traffic until I realized that useless light was installed and working and I was the one that was running a red light. I've been driving that same route for nearly 20 years almost 388 days a year. What a ridulous place to put a light. Talk about a real traffic backer-upper that's gonna be. Thanks for the reminder. I need to build that one into my morning driving habit.

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The Sissy And The Word Defined


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 9:28pm.

Some of my very best friends are deputies and cops. I have the utmost respect for the honest public safety officers who have my back. However, I have seen too many that will lie without compunction. Once I saw a cop actually tell the truth on a loitering charge (ie that the kid didn't appear to be there for an illegal purpose, which is the definition of loitering). When the case got dismissed this cop's superior officer, who had sat in on the testimony, was pissed at him for telling the truth. I imagine the liars are the same cops that have nothing better to do than park adjacent to each other and chat,WHILE THEIR ENGINES RUN, using gas that we pay for.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 11:19am.

Maxwell can do more damage as head of the county commission than in traffic court. I know some were tired of Dunn's arrogance, but Maxwell was a poor choice all around. I tried to mention that before the election and all I heard was "leave him alone, he's in a wheelchair....great guy....blah, blah" So what? Since then, he's been pretty much a disaster by trying to represent someone in the same court he presides over(DUH), open meetings violations(UGH),trying to change minutes after the fact to make himself look less corrupt(FAIL), and loving developers. Oh wait.....I forgot why he was really elected: he was Randall's flunky. That's what mattered more to some than anything else.

I think you and some others unfortunate to get hauled into his court and getting a fine from him was better than his "work" on the county commission, sorry Hack.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 3:06pm.

After the election, I told my neighbors I voted Dunn because i could never vote for Maxwell after my experience in court. That is when they said I should have voted for him to get him out of court. Kinda like a GOP vote for Hillary I guess. All I know is my faith in "justice" was shaken for a bit; not for my little $103 ticket, but for that honor student kid before me that got wreckless driving for front tires squealing as he tried to clear a dangerous intersection! Ridiculous!

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 10:09am.

Sorry, Hack, gotta go with Warren Sellers just based on your story. \

What the heck were you doing? I don't even need to hear the other side. Yer guilty as charged.

Bigger question---- you care about America ? Huh?

You said "Judge Eric Maxwell folded like a cheap suit." You called his court a "kangaroo court".

Did you complain when he was elected to the County Commission ? Did you share your story then? No....Pat yourself on the back, Hack.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 10:21am.

"Bigger question---- you care about America ? Huh?"

"You said "Judge Eric Maxwell folded like a cheap suit." You called his court a "kangaroo court"."

Why, as a matter of fact, I care very, very much about America. Is it now unAmerican to be critical of the government? Local, state, or federal? If a judge issues an order, the DA does not comply, and the judge does not enforce the order... that's folding... like a lawn chair. You like that better?

"Did you complain when he was elected to the County Commission ? Did you share your story then? No....Pat yourself on the back, Hack."

My neighbors, and many other PTCers voted FOR Eric to get him OUT OF PTC COURT! Ask around. We saw no other way to get him off of the bench here locally Laughing out loud

I'm sure many people feel that government employees can never be wrong, or show poor judgment, but I'll never forget the 17 year old honor student in court that day for wreckless driving. His crime? His front wheels chirped as he accelerated to pull onto Hwy 74 north from Rockaway road. His parents testified he had borrowed his grandmother's Chrysler LHS (front wheel drive with decent power), and that they had instructed him to quickly clear that dangerous intersection. Verdict? Guilty; defensive driving course mandated, $300+ fine, and 6 month probation to ensure he completed the DD course. Fair?

Tell ya what, I'll start a blog and see if that day in court was a fluke.

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 11:04am.

Start the blog. My experience with the bulk of PTC police is that if they weren't police they would be thugs of some sort.

Second Ditto- I would have voted for Forest Gump for commissioner if it got Maxwell off the bench.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 3:09pm.

"Second Ditto- I would have voted for Forest Gump for commissioner if it got Maxwell off the bench."

coconut skrimp
popcorn skrimp
skrimp scampi
buttaflaiy skrimps
fried skrimps
coctails skrimps

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 11:01am.

I'll take the hot seat, Hack, as long as you are not flying the plane.

Hack says: "My neighbors, and many other PTCers voted FOR Eric to get him OUT OF PTC COURT! Ask around. We saw no other way to get him off of the bench here locally." WOW, what a problem solver you are !

So if Hack has a bad flight crew instead of solving the problem he dumps it on another pilot. Way to go !

WOW, what a solution---- give Maxwell more responsibility and make him somebody else's problem. You are exactly the kind of American who made Congress so dysfunctional.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Wed, 04/16/2008 - 3:13pm.

1) Read above: I didn't vote for Maxwell, but I'm not sure what your point is even if I had.

2)ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU MADE POSSIBLE?

" Is it now unAmerican to be critical of the government? Local, state, or federal? If a judge issues an order, the DA does not comply, and the judge does not enforce the order... that's folding... like a lawn chair. You like that better?"

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 4:09pm.

You said:

"Bigger question---- you care about America ? Huh?

You said "Judge Eric Maxwell folded like a cheap suit." You called his court a "kangaroo court"."

AGAIN I ASK:

" Is it now unAmerican to be critical of the government?"

Or are you waiting for this thread to be burried so you don't have to face the very un-American nature of suggesting one can't be critical of the government. Ahdmadinejad might agree with you, but that's about it.

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 6:29pm.

Time for expired for Hack to “Man Up”

Is it American to criticize government? Uh, did you get any kind of education, Hack. Yes, it is ok to criticize your politicians unless they are left wing cash registers--- then they are off limits.

Hackie hack wasn’t man enough to take on the system but now we have to listen to his whining to the point where you are making my ears bleed.

This all started when you trashed on a prosecutor and judge and a cop whining about how poor Hackie Hack had to pay a $100 fine. The punchline was that you did not do a damn thing about it. Did you report Sellers to the State Bar? Did you report Maxwell to the Judges Bar? Of course not… You would rather whine about poor Hackie then step up and do something. You didn't even have the stones to write a letter to the editor? Free speech is ok; cowardice is not. Shut your lazy pie hole.

Sorry, pal…You are the one that didn’t man up.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 9:43pm.

I did some rudimentary investigating and figured out that you must work in the PTC traffic court. Actually, you gave it away when you said this:

" I don't even need to hear the other side. Yer guilty as charged."

Then I figured I'd show off the best education the government could buy, by reading this statement from you:

"Bigger question---- you care about America ? Huh?

You said "Judge Eric Maxwell folded like a cheap suit." You called his court a "kangaroo court". "

I accept your apology for saying such a dimwitted thing in a public forum. I also understand the indigestion you have experienced from having to swallow this frankfurter whole, without even biting it first.

Apology accepted. Hope you can make the next coffee get together. I'll let you apologize in person.

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King

p.s.
"Hackie hack wasn’t man enough to take on the system but now we have to listen to his whining to the point where you are making my ears bleed."

Unless you are a blind guy who is listening to computer software which reads posts. stop. You certainly did not need to listen to me whine. stop. I assumed, comma, that you stopped to chat because you wanted the back and forth Smiling smily face. stop. Either way, comma, sorry for your bleeding ears. stop. cotton balls work fairly well. stop. end text.


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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 7:03pm.

I think that Yankee acting PTC Taxpayer character just sunk his teeth into your leg and took out a chunk.

My neighbors, and many other PTCers voted FOR Eric to get him OUT OF PTC COURT! Ask around. We saw no other way to get him off of the bench here locally

Dang buddy! I can't believe those words came from you lips either. Mind if I sit back and watch this one play out as you jump back in the ring with this PTC Guy?

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The Sissy And The Word Defined


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 9:35pm.

Git, windy day here in OK. Out for 1 day helping a bro welcome in his 40th year of life.

Not sure if you are saying I should have lied about that or kept it a not so secret secret. That's the facts jack. At any rate, I'm always quite amused by people who can't even write their signature on a blog, losing their cool, cursing, having to swallow the bitter pill which is their own words. Oh, and belittling "free speechers" while they use a FAKE NAME Laughing out loud What am I missing.

At any rate, if I happen upon a person with a "PTC Taxpayer is my real name" T-shirt on, I will very enthusiastically invite them to "shut my pie hole." Smiling Then, after they re-evaluate their stance on "cowardice" I'll take him out for coffee.

Cheers, Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 9:47pm.

Well! Were you talking about the Taxpayer or the Git? Eye-wink I would never expect you to lie sir. Nor, would I expect you to vote (promote) some politcal clown into a more powerful position just to move him out of your backyard. I believe in the greater good. Take 'em out permanently.

Keep flapping that pie hole buddy. I'm gonna keep mine going even if I "can't even write my own signature on a blog".

Those winds were brutal last week. The forecast was for 40 - 45 mph winds last Thursday. All I can say is 45 mph winds don't blow the shingles off of rooftops in OK. We had 40 mph winds of Friday and buddy.... that was a calm day compared to Thursday.

Trivia Question: In which direction to the trees & telephone poles lean in OK? And why do they lean? Puzzled

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The Sissy And The Word Defined


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 9:58pm.

now, keep in mind, I'm an honorary Texan with a Texas area code to this day, but that is an answer a Cowboy or Sooner might give.

I certainly wasn't talking about your anonymity Git. Some people are anonymous because they actually have something to lose and influence that might shape opinion of their words. Others, like this perinnial ptctaxpayer clown hide in the shadows to say ignorant things like how can you love America and criticize a judge or DA. You are a guy, though often politically wrong, are a hoot to read! Smiling

Returning on the 0545, so I'd best hit the hay bails. Oh, our party tonight? On a 10 acre farm with goats, horses, guinea hens, dogs, cows, calves, donkeys, and a bunch of over-eating 40 something Air Force guys and the wives they embarrass Smiling

Cheers, brother, and Good Night

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 04/17/2008 - 10:05pm.

I know you guys had a blast.

Actually those winds cause the trees to lean to the North East. Note the daily tornadoish thunderstorms and the direction they always blow.

Now to straighten you out: Why is Oklahoma so windy? Because Texas blows and Kansas sucks. Evil

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The Sissy And The Word Defined


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