Blog: Only for those who have sat on a Jury!

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I've had the pleasure of serving on a Criminal Trial in Fulton County, when I lived there in 84, and been called 3 times since, never to be picked again.

I've tried more jury trials than I can remember, but I'll never forget the case I sat on, and how we deliberated very meaningfully (sic?) about our Constitutional duties to find the Defendant guilty ONLY if decided beyond any reasonable doubt.

Our Jury System is the one for sure place that we all get to experience the wonderful protections and privileges we have to live in this wonderful Country predicated upon the laws of man, embodied in our Constitution. It moves me everytime I am able to serve, and able to practice "past the bar".

Toward that end, and in light of the recent article regarding our recent Courthouse "jury" news, I thought I'd ask you all, who have served, to share your thoughts about your experience and allow me to perhaps understand what your juries were thinking, and how they arrived at their conclusions.

If you could share your thoughts, then I'll share mine, for what its worth, and maybe we might learn something about how people think in coming to their decision.

Thanks for your comments, if I get enough interest, I'll share with you the case of the Conklin Murder Trial in Fulton in 1983/1984, which was unbelievably fascinating, and darkly amusing.

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Submitted by tgarlock on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 9:22am.

Richard, I have been on 1 civil and 2 criminal juries and was foreman on one jury. BTW, in the 1990s I was the business decision-maker on hundreds of civil cases ranging from $50,000 to over $100 million for FDIC/RTC on failed savings & loan matters, and how a jury might react to very technical matters was frequently part of our decision process of whether to sue, whether to settle. But back to your question.

My experience tells me juries take their responsibilities very seriously, but they go down the wrong path in two ways.

First, everyone seems to consider themselves an amateur detective when they begin deliberating. They lose track of what the prosecutor or plaintiff was able to prove or demonstrate versus what "they believe really happened."

Second, and related, is that when jurors start discussing what they think really happened on a criminal case, they lose track of the standard of proof that applies.

In one of the criminal cases a stepfather was accused of molesting his wife's daughter, an emotionally charged issue, and there was much discussion by jurors who "divined" what really happened. But of course what really mattered was what the prosecutor successfully proved in court, which wasn't much.

Here's how I presented the problem to my fellow jurors. I drew on the chalkboard the top half of a circle, and on the bottom left I noted "Certainly Not Guilty" while on the bottom right I noted "Certainly Guilty." At the top center I noted "Don't Know." Then I drew an arrow from the circle's center to just to the left of the "Don't Know" center. In a civil case, I argued, where the standard of proof is likely "a preponderance of the evidence," you only have to be persuaded by one side or another, and if you end up barely on the "not guilty" side then that is a legitimate decision, just as ending up just to the right of center on the guilty side would be a legitimate decision, though I guess in the civil case you would find "for the plaintiff" or "for the defendant" instead of guilty or not guilty.

Then I drew another arrow to just above the "Certainly Guilty" spot at the bottom right, about 95% of the way. Somewhere close to absolute certainty represents the criminal case standard of proof - beyond a reasonable doubt.

I made the argument that there is a lot of room in a criminal case - on the right side of the circle between the barely guilty arrow and the beyond reasonable doubt arrow - for believing in your heart someone is guilty but conceding that the prosecutor did not prove it to the beyond a reasonable doubt standard in court.

That is why a "not guilty" finding is in no way an "innocent" finding, because you can believe the guy is guilty as hell but if the prosecutor did not adequately prove it, then a jury should acquit.

After our discussion the jury decided not guilty even though many of us suspected the stepfather.

Too bad I didn't think of that in my first jury experience in a Texas criminal trial many years earlier, where the prosecutor fumbled, did not prove the case to the criminal standard, but all of us were convinced the defendant was a crook and he did it, because jurors are instant amateur detectives, and we convicted him anyway. But if I had thought of it, oh never mind, he deserved the time he got.

Terry Garlock

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 10:21am.

You are absolutely right about the "amateur detective" business! Smiling

Even worse was the "amateur doctors". In my spinal fusion trial, we had to rely on OUR notes of what competing doctors said and two large boxes of "medical evidence" such as prescription pads ("Hey Cletus, what does 'PRN' mean?"). You haven't lived until you've seen a second grade teacher attempt to interpret an MRI.

I recall we ultimately discarded ALL the doctors testimonies from both sides as they effectively cancelled each other out and instead relied upon the Physical Therapist's notes. The PT was on the stand all of 10 minutes but we debated her notes for something like six hours.


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 5:28am.

You asked for it, you got it.

I was called for jury duty last year, first time in decades. They told us in all likelihood maybe 10% of us would be empaneled as a jury, and maybe 2% would serve on 2 juries.

I served on three, natch.

First trial was a very interesting insurance fraud case. Lots of courtroom drama and I remember thinking that those people who said that "real life" court cases were boring were 100% wrong. Many of us jurors were taking copious notes. After lunch, we heard further testimony for an hour or so and then the plaintiff requested a recess. We went out to the jury deliberation room and 20 minutes later they called us back in to tell us the case had been settled, our services were no longer needed, please report back to the jury selection room. Quite a few jurors were steamed! Talk about Courtus Interruptus!

Second trial was bizarre. A CIVIL rape trial. Might have been civil sexual assault...I don't recall. A Delta flight attendant was getting a massage. She was laying face down on a massage table, wearing nothing but a towel over her butt. She told the male masseuse she was getting a cramp in her butt muscles, would he please massage them. He complied with her request but evidently touched her genitalia and she FREAKED. Called the cops and insisted rape charges be filed. DA wouldn't prosecute so she filed civil suit (we found this out from his attorney later). We deliberated for 5 minutes and found in her favor for the cost of the massage ($50). The whole trial took an hour. What a waste of government resources.

Two trials in two days, I can go home now?

Nope.

Got picked in the "alternate pool" for civil auto accident trial. Judge told us this would be a somewhat long trial. Uh oh. They are about to be empaneled when a juror stands up and says, "yikes, I know this guy I am his doctor" so he gets excused. So Mr. Sniffles please come on down, you're his replacement.

Days of painful slogging through a car accident insurance trial ensues. In a nutshell, a woman hurt her neck in an auto collision. She was in fluctuating low grade pain for 8 months. She then took the grandkids down to Disney World and rode on the Space Mountain roller coaster at which time her neck ruptures two disks and she required major surgery and a spinal fusion to correct. Naturally this was the fault of auto accident...or so she would have us believe. Her attorneys were the Webb/Lindsey firm, and ole Jimmy Webb descended down from Mount Olympus long enough to give the closing argument, which had to be the most patronizing speech I've ever heard one adult give another.

The jury room was something straight out of "12 angry men" when deliberations rolled around. 7 to 4 in her favor (one juror was dismissed on day one..she was deaf). And it stayed that way for a solid day. I gave a Henry Fonda-esque speech that said the insurance company was responsible for the first few months of low grade suffering but shouldn't be held responsible for her own stupidity down at Disney World. Voted again 3 to 8 in the INSURANCE company's favor! We went back and forth and finally found in her favor.

Then we spent another day and a half deciding damages to award. This may have been the most frustrating day of my life. We agreed to compensate her for medical care and pain and suffering UP TO the Disney World episode. One woman wanted to see the lady's tax returns (!!!) before she'd agree to award damages. That lunacy took another hour. 10 of us decided on a very low 6 figure award for everything, and one woman held out. She wanted to award 3 million dollars...because that handsome Jimmy Webb said that is what this woman needed to be made whole again.

She held out for 10 hours. We finally told the judge we were hopelessly deadlocked 10-1 and got called back into the jury room. The judge read us the riot act and told us basically to apply the law and leave the personal feelings out of it. Holdout woman broke down in tears and caved in an hour later.


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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 4:26pm.

Wait- John Edwards already wrote Four Trials. It's a very interesting read.

Richard- I believe a lot of folks would like to read about the trial you mentioned.

I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born.~Ronald Reagan
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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 8:51am.

click here for the Conklin Murder case.

I sat on a jury in 1984 or so, and the defense attorney did a horrible job. In retrospect, I realized that he didn't have much to go on. We convicted his armed robber pretty easily, based upon the eyewitnesses and other collaborating evidence. But I thought the defense attorney did poorly in how he handled the case.

Well, while at home explaining to my wife about the trial and about the defense attorney, I saw the defense lawyer on television. I yelled at the wife and told her that this was the same guy in my trial. He was smiling away at the cameras, and was telling them that this Conklin murder trial was a classic example of self defense.

The link above shares with you the actual Supreme Court decision that recites, word for word, the deliberate indifference in Conklin's own confession. As I said, it is darkly amusing, and an interesting read, for those with strong stomachs. Claiming self defense in a case wherein the victim was stabbed dozens of times in the back with a screw driver, seemed a reach, but again, what else did he have to argue.

I appreciate your comments about your trial experiences. Jurors often are in a hurry to get out the door, but a few have shared with me their experiences. More often than not, their decision was predicated upon something I, nor opposing counsel, ever noticed. You're right. Jurors do like to be "detectives". I've got several injury trials coming up and they are very important cases with severe injuries. I'm always trying to get the 'feel' on the street of people, so that I know how to communicate with them effectively. Thanks for sharing.


Submitted by tgarlock on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 10:32am.

Richard, another opinion FWIW. Jurors are certainly anxious to get out the door, and very impatient with holdouts. But one thing I have observed is that if jurors are induced to like you and/or your client, to be sympathetic, that can overcome a mountain of evidence because people are not objective no matter how much they claim to be. My observation is jurors make emotional decisions, not intellectual ones, and if you give them an excuse to find in your favor, if they have the warm fuzzies about you they will stretch to hell and back to be on your side and willfully ignore facts on the other side, so long as they can justify the decision in their own mind. A good attorney, seems to me, gives them the warm fuzzies AND the rationale for a favorable decision in the face of lots of facts to the contrary.

This is why, well one of the reasons, as a conservative who would be willing to throw the switch on Old Sparky myself if I knew for sure the murderer was actually guilty, I am now opposed to the death penalty. The quality of defense varies wildly with the depth of the pocket, and juries are fickle, prone to divine as fact things that were not proven in court, and make emotional decisions. Given those circumstances, it seems to me a very conservative view to deny the state the ability to kill someone.

Just an opinion.

Terry Garlock

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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 12:04pm.

9 months after starting my practice, I was standing before my first jury on a Felony case. I was nervous and worried because, well, it was my first trial, and my guy was looking at five years to serve. The fact that he confessed to the crime, gave me a bit of concern too.

Well, the prosecutor finally came off their two year offer, to accept one year, that my client agreed to take. I wiped my brow, happy that I wasn't going to be trying this case. But, Judge Ison, now retired, said no, he would take 4 years. Ouch, what a bad lawyer I was. I thought just convincing the DA was enough, but now my guy is looking at four years.

I went to my client, and he shrugged it off. He then informed me that he had knew the sentencing "grid" treated four years and five years sentences the same, which meant, a loss at trial meant nothing. Whoopee!

So I moved the court to throw out the confession, which Judge Ison quickly denied, and then the trial began. I went to bat aggressively cross examining the police detective. He hemmed and hawed at my cross and I was able to get his credibility challenged. Fact was, he was very sarcastic and the jury saw it, BUT, I caught him in an half truth. Since this case was my first, I had memorized each detail down to a tee, and I knew he had changed his testimony from a prior hearing we had months before.

So at break, I asked the prosecutor for the tape, held in her possession since the hearing. She said fine, but that I'd have to follow the rules of evidence to get it admitted, she would not stipulate to its authenticity. Real nice prosecutor.

So at lunch I'm running around to get the magistrate judge to testify that the tape was authentic. Yes, the DA forced me to get a Judge to testify for the defense. (Big mistake on their part.)

Then with the tape admitted, the judge looked down at me, and said, Mr. Hobbs, you can't play the entire tape. You must only play the portion that is relevant. I nervously agreed, and carefully listened to the tape, to the part that I wanted the jury to hear. I thought it was right, I'd checked it several times, but now the judge is looking at me, the jury is looking at me and I'm holding this tape player in my hands, listening to it for the right place to hit play.

I then approach the judge, and he says something to me, that maybe I ought to have a 30 second window of testimony in advance of what I wanted the jury to hear. I said great, so I hit the rewind button on the tape player and spoke to the judge privately, . . . . while it rewound.

I then hit play...

What I heard, was not what I wanted the jury to hear. Instead, what I heard being played over the speaker system was the private conversation that I and the judge had just had. Yes, you heard me right. The tape had never had its erase clip removed. So, instead of rewinding it, while standing in front of the judge, I had hit "RECORD".

So while it was playing, my back turned from the jury, looking up at the judge, drops of sweat flowing off my brow, I listened in horrific despair as it played for what seemed like an entirety.

Fortunately, the tape did not erase over all of the testimony and some of it was heard by the jury.

I then did my closing, wherein I wrapped myself in the American Flag and told the jury that they should throw out the confession in its entirety and if they do so, to acquit my client.

Whether it was my "Jeffersonian oration", which the Court Reporter and DA said won the case, or, whether it was the fact that the jury felt sorry for my client by being represented by an imbecile lawyer, a choice I tend to believe, the jury acquitted my client.

A thrill and a rush that I'll never forget. All of a sudden the evil prosecutor is shaking my hand, congratulating me on my win. The judge, balifs came to me and proudly told me that I was a promising young lawyer, something I think they did out of charity rather than respect.

Since then, I've tried dozens upon dozens of cases, and I've won the vast majority of them, albeit, some not quite as well as I would have liked. I still fear that I am not in tune with the jurors, since I am a very pragmatic fellow and that bias tends to prejudice how I interpret the facts of my cases, and as many on this blog have noted, emotion tends to be the biggest factor in the jury room.

Thanks for sharing


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Submitted by NUK_1 on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 1:35pm.

Nice humorous relief from everyone's political viewpoints that will never change:)


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