Haddix: PTC Police HQ, built on a dump, has history of dampness problems

Tue, 04/08/2008 - 3:44pm
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The Peachtree City Police Station problem is an issue of much concern, emotion, debate and frustration. Adding the economic realities of the Peachtree City budget shortfalls and pressures on the citizens makes the issues even worse.

But Council still has to come to some decision on how to proceed. Doing nothing is not an option. The decision must be a long-term fix, not one that simply buys time to postpone larger and additional costs to a future date. It must begin with the question of can the police station be fixed permanently or not?

With that in mind a historical review is in order.

• When the initial proposal was made to buy the current site, many citizens spoke strongly against the choice. They knew the site was an old dump site. City Hall claimed that where the building was to be built was not such a site, but an island bordered by the actual dump location. But reality is debris is under the building, whether you want to call it landfill or dump and hazardous or non-hazardous. Debris of many types was found under or by the building and reported by a number of people.

• April 2001: The Certificate of Occupancy was issued.

• Soon after, moisture appeared in the building.

• After that, the floor began blistering and de-laminating.

• June 2004: An engineering firm determined the floor blistering and de-laminating was due to “excessive” moisture in the ground. That is ground water. It is to be noted in June of 2004 we were in drought with a 9.43-inch deficit in the Atlanta area, but the ground around the police station was noted as being wet.

• Early 2005: Work was completed on removing the floor coverings, sealing the floor and recovering the floor.

• August 2005: Another engineering firm performed moisture transmission testing due to continued floor blistering. They found moisture levels were high and significantly greater than specified limits. Moisture was still reaching the floor from the ground below.

• October 2005: The city manager sent a memo to the Police Department to calm concerns that, while the structure was built on an old dump site, the materials in the dump were not hazardous.

• March 2006: A third engineering firm determined the building problems included deeper sub-surface moisture and wall construction problems.

• December 2007: I inspected the building and site. It was easy to see site grading and construction defects. It was also very observable that, after months of drought, land surrounding and near the Police Station was very wet when it should have been extremely dry, as was the reality elsewhere. Such wet conditions were also observable on an adjoining property in spot locations.

• October 2007-2008: A fourth engineering firm was hired to investigate “moisture intrusion through the wall and roof systems.” Contrary to some claims, they were not hired to examine the floor and only officially reported findings regarding the roof and wall structures. Every council member has a bound engineering report.

• January 2008: Liquid water was found in a 6-foot monitoring well within the building after some rain.

• Repairs authorized in late 2007, in a 3-2 council vote, included scraping the floor, sealing it and re-flooring. Of this vote, 2-1 remain on the council. This will be the second scraping and sealing and the third floor covering in a 7-year period.

• Additional repairs under consideration include the exterior wall removal and replacement. At a council meeting pro-repair advocates on council cited the current engineering firm’s findings as showing no ground water issues to refute my statements about ground water. I directly asked the firm about the wet grounds I saw during a drought, and the engineer shrugged; he could not explain it.

I fully agree the wall construction is bad and can be fixed. But I totally disagree, as do the three engineering firms not contracted to only look at the walls and roof, that there are no ground water issues causing blistering and de-laminating of the flooring and other moisture-related problems.

This is not a comfortable decision to make, and any decision has ramifications. But make a decision we must, and I personally cannot find justification to proceed with repairs to the building as a Police Headquarters that may appear cheaper in the short-term but will prove far more expensive in the long term.

Don Haddix, Council Post 1

Peachtree City, Ga.

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Submitted by do what you can on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 8:27pm.

I would hope that every single resident that pays taxes thinks long and hard about the outcome of the PD. You have employees who have been exposed to BLACK MOLD for YEARS in that building, contrary to what is being said. If you question the black mold, ask City Hall to see the lab results from the material they sent in. Then ask your leaders WHY no one ever tested for mold before roughly 2 months ago. THEN ask why the findings haven't been published. I have seen the report, I know what black mold is. Now ask yourself if it is cheaper to put those same employees back in a contaminated building and risk a class action lawsuit when those employess get ill, or is it cheaper to do the right thing? Sure, patch the PD together, put the employees back, but somewhere down the line everything will come full circle. At what cost? Surely the health of the men and women who serve and protect you is worth the extra money to keep them healthy? I would hope so, but it seems the bottom line is the dollar, not the people.

Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 8:50am.

And in my opinion, you added it because it's a nice buzz word..

Calling the site a dump...

In your words, and they appear to be strictly opinion and hearsay..

"• When the initial proposal was made to buy the current site, many citizens spoke strongly against the choice. They knew the site was an old dump site. City Hall claimed that where the building was to be built was not such a site, but an island bordered by the actual dump location. But reality is debris is under the building, whether you want to call it landfill or dump and hazardous or non-hazardous. Debris of many types was found under or by the building and reported by a number of people."

I'm not sure how this helps to move the debate forward and reach a logical conclusion. The rest of your letter tends to read like the Mayors. IF your opinion is the site should be bulldozed, so be it, but stating opinions as matters of fact, isn't the way to accomplish that goal, especially not from someone in your position.

Assuming we do trash the existing building, how much will it cost us in the long run to do it your way? How do you propose paying for it? Those are the things that need to be discussed, in my opinion.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 11:10am.

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Assuming we do trash the existing building, how much will it cost us in the long run to do it your way? How do you propose paying for it? Those are the things that need to be discussed, in my opinion.
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Exactly. I don't need my intelligence insulted with the usual "this PD building is a big problem" or who did what when and the blame. Those that care already are well aware of the facts. Let's discuss a solution instead of goofy grandstanding.

Any moron with an IQ above a Dorito would like the PD to have a better building on a much better site. That's not in dispute. That's not even worth mentioning. What IS the issue is HOW MUCH WILL IT COST AND HOW WILL IT BE PAID FOR? What about the current debt on the 74 building/site and how it has to be paid regardless? Whether someone 8 years ago said "hey, this is a bad idea" is NOT a solution. That doesn't address the current problem and the pro's and con's of differing courses of action.


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Submitted by Mike King on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 12:56pm.

Without knowing the cost involved, I would suggest we look at another use for the current site and building. Until someone at City Hall can tell me that their "fix" will work and have a guarantee from the contractor, I can not see moving the police or anyone else back into the building.

Perhaps using the building for yet another purpose would offset some of the losses such as a recycling center. Granted, it is not the best of locales for such an activity but it could work.

Our Council is in need of input from all of us. NUK is correct, the time for blame is long past, we need consideration of several alternatives from which to choose.


Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 1:04pm.

I suppose the time for blame is "long past," for the Tennis Center fiasco, also?

I know that is how General Franks, or some dozen other Generals hope for
about Iraq, but It ain't gonna happen!

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Submitted by Mike King on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 2:11pm.

Granted, it's a slow afternoon, but out of idle curiosity could you possibly explain the benefits of casting blame regarding local issues.

Regarding your barbs toward flag officers, was your time in service injurious to your health or did you reach that plateau naturally?


Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 3:33pm.

I am at a loss as to why you think some should not be blamed for malfeasance or lack of attention to duty!

The benefits that you ask for are the same ones we get when we punish any one for errors---as a deterrent to others and to learn and document.

Just to stay out of trouble by making "suitable decisions" is not sufficient.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 8:03am.

We are keeping you and Doug, the other 3 are out of here. We can't get rid of them fast enough. Thank you for your hard work, it has been noticed by everyone.

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Submitted by Mike King on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 5:56am.

Mr Haddix, you are to be commended for "laying it on the line" unlike the article in last week's Citizen. Those making the decision to purchase the land back in 1999 knew better than those in opposition and went ahead knowing Peachtree City taxpayers would ultimately foot the bill.

This is the same old story that when those in elected positions believe they have been gifted with knowing far better what is best for their constituency. What these officials have yet to realize is that this is not some average community that blindly goes along with the actions of those elected, but a community that is not only involved but becoming more and more active in local politics.

An example I use is Kohls where the mayor and others were dead set on giving Mr McMurrain his way, and have facilitated a shopping center that few want and less need. Their priority and loyalty is to the developers and not to the citizens.

Could it be that His Honor, the mayor, will run for reelection?

Just my two cents worth.


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