Rep. Ramsey on charter school bill: Meant for Clayton, not Fayette

Thu, 04/03/2008 - 5:48pm
By: Cal Beverly

[Editor’s note: The following is an opinion column by Rep. Matt Ramsey received April 3 via email.]

Charter schools exist to provide local control and flexibility

In the 1990s, during Gov. Zell Miller’s administration, charter school legislation was adopted in an effort to provide more flexibility and local decision-making authority to parents, teachers and faculty in failing schools.

Charter schools are public schools that operate according to the terms of a charter, or contract, with the state Board of Education.

The charter school’s petition typically seeks waivers for exemptions from state education mandates, regulations, policies and procedures which are built into their contract with the state.

In exchange for this flexibility, the charter school is bound by contract to be held accountable for meeting the performance-based objectives specified in the charter.

At no time is a public charter school not under the administrative watch of the state board. This allows parents in a local community that may have substandard schools an opportunity to try something different than the status quo in an effort to improve their children’s education.

Petitioners for charter school approval cannot include home study programs, sectarian schools, religious schools, private for profit schools or existing private schools.

Charter schools are often established when the parents, teachers and faculty at an existing traditional public school file a charter petition to convert their school to a charter school.

Prior to filing such a “charter conversion” petition, the petition must be agreed to by a majority of the faculty and instructional staff members of the petitioning local school and agreed to by a majority of parents or guardians of students enrolled in the petitioning local school before it can even be presented for approval.

How can you get more local control than actually giving parents of children in failing schools an opportunity to band together and try something new, when the current structure is clearly not working? It should also be noted that no student is forced to go to a charter school in a given district and is free to attend a traditional public school.

Public charter schools are funded exactly the way traditional public schools are funded. When a charter school petition is granted, the federal, state and local money that a traditional public school would receive for that student follows the student to the public charter school.

Yes, the traditional public school would no longer receive that student’s funding allocation, but they also would no longer have the expense of educating the student.

Public charter schools cannot have admissions criteria and must have open enrollment for that district’s students, just like traditional public schools.

Charter schools also are required to serve students with special needs, just like their traditional public school counterparts.

It is also important to note that charter schools CANNOT operate for profit and CANNOT charge tuition. These are public schools that are funded on per-pupil formulas, just like traditional public schools are funded.

House Bill 881 simply provides another means by which to seek approval of a public charter school.

Under current law, if a group of parents, teachers and faculty at a failing public school in Clayton County decided that the status quo was not working and they wanted to try something new and innovative, free of certain bureaucratic mandates, they could file a charter school conversion petition.

However, if the criminally incompetent Clayton County School Board capriciously denied this application and chose to keep these children trapped in their broken traditional public school, the local group would have no other avenue to seek approval for their petition.

House Bill 881 only establishes an alternative state board through which this local group could seek approval and does not change the rigorous, exacting standards that must be met before a charter is granted and the contract is signed by the state. The Georgia Board of Education could also veto any charter petition granted by this new commission.

There have been no applications for charter schools in Fayette County in recent years because they are not necessary. We have wonderful public schools in Fayette County because of excellent leadership by our school board, abundant resources, great teachers and active parents.

For a charter school petition to be granted, the petitioners must demonstrate that there is a need for alternative public schools in that community.

I cannot envision a scenario where such a test would be met here.

However, school districts such as Clayton give us a prime example of where a group of parents may want to work together and attempt to try something new for the sake of their children.

Unlike SB 458, charter schools provide an option for parents to seek a local solution to a local problem that would not burden other taxpayers.

In areas that have substandard traditional public schools, charter schools can often be an option that provides parents a key to help their children escape a school in a cycle of failure.

HB 881, which passed the House with significant bi-partisan support, simply ensures that school boards like Clayton County cannot arbitrarily deny these parents access to that key.

Since charter schools were first authorized in Georgia there have been only 71 established.

Clearly, charter schools are not right for every community. However, for a parent in an impoverished area with a child in a failing public school, who simply cannot afford private school, public charter schools may be the best chance to provide their child a chance for a quality education and a bright future.

HB 881 ensures that parent, and other similarly situated parents, that band together to seek this option have a right to be heard if THEIR local control is usurped by a Clayton County type school board that has arbitrarily denied a public charter school application that meets all applicable state requirements for approval.

[Rep. Matt Ramsey (R-Peachtree City) may be reached at matt.ramsey@house.ga.gov.]

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Submitted by Cal Beverly on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 1:08pm.

{{{{{{{{WARNING about crudities (once known as "vulgar" language) in your comment headlines: I'm going to lower the boom on those who think this posting site is open to such misuse.

Dial it back, guys.

P.S. Unless it's "bovine manure." Not to be hypocritical or anything . . .

-- Cal the censor


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Submitted by Cyclist on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 1:25pm.

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Submitted by boxwing on Thu, 04/03/2008 - 8:43pm.

... are presented below for you reading pleasure.

Here is an except from the HB881 bill as presented on the GA website today:

(a) The Department of Education shall pay to each commission charter school through appropriation of state and federal funds an amount equal to the sum of:

(1) QBE formula earnings, QBE grants, and federal grants earned by the commission charter school based on the school´s enrollment, school profile, and student characteristics. QBE formula earnings shall include the salary portion of direct instructional costs, the adjustment for training and experience, the nonsalary portion of direct instructional costs, and earnings for psychologists and school social workers, school administration, facility maintenance and operation, media centers, additional days of instruction in accordance with Code Section 20-2-184.1, and staff development;
(2) A proportional share of state categorical grants, nonQBE state grants, state equalization grants, and all other state and federal grants; and(
3) An amount determined by the commission for each student enrolled in such school equal to a proportional share of local revenue from the local school system in which the student attending the commission charter school resides; provided, however, that the commission may reduce the amount calculated pursuant to this paragraph based on cost factors it deems relevant, including but not limited to the commission charter school´s operational and capital costs, efficiency, and special programs offered by the school.

c) The total allotment of state and federal funds to the local school system in which a student attending a commission charter school resides shall be calculated as otherwise provided in Article 6 of this chapter with an ensuing reduction equivalent to the amount of state and federal funds appropriated to the commission charter schools pursuant to subsection (a) of this Code section.
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So the way this reads if a student who resides in Clayton County attends a charter school, regardless of where that school is located, the state & federal funding provided to Clayton County will be reduced by the amount of funding provided to the charter school.

Charter schools are not necessarily limited to taking students only in the area in which they are located; when they apply for a charter the school can ask to serve multiple counties. So a charter scholl could be located in Fayette, but also service Clayton students. However state/federal funding sent to the FCBOE would not be decreased due to non-Fayette students going to a Fayette based charter school; only for Fayette residents attending charter schools.

So I think this provision likely affects Clayton the most since with their problems it is much more likely that their students will transfer to charter schools in large numbers.

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Submitted by Steve Brown on Thu, 04/03/2008 - 7:53pm.

I agree with Newt Gingrich, the Republicans are running off the cliff.

HB 881 is another attempt by the State Republican leadership to centralize local government at the state level. They want to tell the local jurisdictions how to run their business.

Matt Ramsey's excuse about Fayette not needing another public school is feeble at best (see "Bill would usurp local control on charter schools" article on site). If Ramsey is supposedly acting on conservative principles (based on his campaign material) then it really should not matter what Fayette County needs of does not need - follow the conservative principles of local control is best.

Ramsey's main excuse about SB 458 and HB 881 was he is trying to save the overwhelmingly Democratic Clayton County. However, the excuse explodes when after you read the legislation and see "Clayton County" is not mentioned specifically, meaning the bills apply to EVERY jurisdiction.

Funny how Ramsey complains about Democratic legislators interfering with Republican Fayette politics, but it is just fine for him to weasel into Democratic Clayton's business. It does not really matter because Clayton County was just an excuse to pass a few statewide bills stripping away local government control.

Faux conservatism will be the death of the Republican Party because they cannot be differentiated from the Democrats.

"Government is best which remains closest to the people." - President Ronald Reagan

Rep. Ramsey is going astray.


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Submitted by other_side_trax on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 11:19am.

How predictable. While I agree that the Republican party is in danger and is moving in the wrong direction, it is interesting how Steve Brown ALWAYS finds a way to use political issues to attack politicians who soundly defeated him. And by using this tactic Steve, your comments lose a lot of their credibility. When will you EVER learn???

I hereby dub thee the "KING of SOUR GRAPES".

You've earned the title and I predict no one will ever be able to unseat you. (Likely the only title you will ever earn again - elective or subjective)

From the other side of the tracks

Other side, you cross the line of even marginal taste. Dial it down, or get booted.
-- Cal the censor}}}}}}}


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Submitted by other_side_trax on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 1:21pm.

I'll tone it down. It was in poor taste, even if true.

Also, appreciate the warning as opposed to an immediate ban. As always, the discretion is yours. I respect that.

From the other side of the tracks


Submitted by Jones on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 12:16pm.

Here come the Matt Ramsey bullies in full force. And isn't their language so attractive, "drowned in his own piss," your mothers must be so proud. It's time to circle the vulgar wagons around their special interest boy.

The remedial blogger other_side_trax has to admit Steve Brown is right, a very tough thing for him to do, and then has to "piss" (using words other_side_trax will understand) on Steve.

Isn't it funny the PTC Council has passed two resolutions against bills favored by Matt Ramsey?

In the words of liberal Obama's pastor, the Rev. Wright, all of Matt Ramsey's chickens are coming home to roost.

I tried not to use too many words over two syllables, so other_side_trax and his Ramsey friends could understand.

Bloggers beware. When the Ramsey people look like a bunch of fools and you say thing about it they'll come after you.

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Submitted by other_side_trax on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 12:24pm.

So I am not - as you are quick to ASSUME - a Ramsey Supporter. Just not a big fan of Steve Brown's. And it is true. Steve Brown did drown in his own piss long ago. Problem is, Steve Brown hasn't yet figured that out. Likely never will. And he is the King of Sour Grapes. Forever. Deal with it.

From the other side of the tracks


Submitted by Jones on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 12:31pm.

You must be a big box developer Smiling

Oh, you don't like Steve Brown, so you're going to call him names, pick up your ball and go home.

But you do think he's right. How sweet. Again, your mother must be so proud.

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Submitted by other_side_trax on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 12:41pm.

You slander by association continually. Talk about SIMPLE. No, I'm not a big box developer either. Everything is a conspiracy to you whack jobs.

Try again. Or maybe - Get a life.

From the other side of the tracks


Submitted by Jones on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 12:46pm.

The big box developer line was a joke; hence, the smiley face. Smiling

I'm a lover, not a hater. Maybe you ought to change your mean ways. Try reading a box by Dr. Seuss or perhaps a good coloring book.

{{{{{{{Dial back the crudities, boys, or get booted.

-- Cal the censor}}}}}}}}

Submitted by AllKnowing on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 10:22am.

Steve Brown is a big pile of sour grapes. Thank goodness he is no longer in office. What a pitiful excuse for a man.

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Submitted by CCB on Thu, 04/03/2008 - 9:56pm.

If Matt Ramsey is sending e-mails to Cal Beverly on each vote, he's starting to panic.

I said Matt had too many inside political connections with people like Seabaugh when he ran in November.


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Submitted by yardman5508 on Thu, 04/03/2008 - 8:27pm.

I really, REALLY try not to perpetuate the problems of Republican rule for Fayette County publicly. It really serves no purpose. I am much more concerned in showing the identity of the Democratic Party to the people of the county. By and large, I feel that we have been pretty successful at showing our concern about local issues and positioning ourselves to offer the citizens of Fayette County an alternative to Republican rule. The one thing that we do NOT do, is proclaim ourselves supporters of one position while working to institute another position. That sort of hypocrisy is reserved for the ruling party locally. Say what you will about our positions {like them or hate them}, but we stand firm for what we believe and are willing to be called to task for it. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.


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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Thu, 04/03/2008 - 9:10pm.

You've missed Steve Brown's point, Yardman, about the GOP. He's saying we've got some bums in office that need to be eliminated and their seats restored to conservative members.

Matt Ramsey proved he can be pretty frightening at times. He and Ronnie are doing Mitch Seabaugh and Eric Johnson's bidding at our expense. We're losing our conservative edge with these new guys who are more left-of-center.

Wait and see if Seabaugh doesn't try to get TDK crammed down our throats.

Even a damaged GOP is better than the Dems.

Vote Republican


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 12:15am.

political parties to become extinct.

"Even a damaged GOP is better than the Dems."

Luckily, we have the rest of the world who will actually hold people accountable for how they vote and what they do. I thought democrats were the sheep. I guess you guys don't really mean THAt either. Just what, comming from the mouth of a "conservative*" can I believe????

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by yardman5508 on Thu, 04/03/2008 - 9:22pm.

I merely said that you could at least trust a Democrat to say what he/she means and means what he/she says. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.


Submitted by USArmybrat on Thu, 04/03/2008 - 10:21pm.

That has got to be the funniest statement I have heard on this site...LOL! Yardman, tell me you didn't type that with a straight face!?

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Thu, 04/03/2008 - 9:57pm.

How would anyone know since no Dems can't win an election in Fayette County? They haven't had an opportunity to prove they mean what they say because they get squashed in every election.

You mention trying to inform Fayette voters of what the Fayette Dems are all about as clearly as possible....uh, that's why you can't get elected:) People understand it quite well and don't like it whatsoever. The district voting issue is a deal-killer for the Dems and the super-majority of Fayette is not going to vote for a party that has Obama and Hillary as their national candidates.

Fayette is so Republican that Sam Nunn could run as a Dem tomorrow against Ronnie Chance and would lose in a landslide.


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