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Submitted by Davids mom on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 10:17pm.

The 'hate' sermon.

Check out this video on YouTube:

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Submitted by BPR on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 3:37am.

With repect I still have problems with this pastor, well now retired Pastor.

I go to church every Sunday and never once has our Pastor brought up the race issue, there is not a reason to. Because at our church we are "The Human Race"- Love has no color- I don't see it they don't see it, God does not see it. We do have the "Human Race". Church is about Jesus.

Mr. Wright quoted Malcolm X:

Malcom X is disturbing:

click Malcolm appointed a minister and national spokesperson Of Islam also Malcolm founded his own religious organization the Muslim Mosque

My problem is Obama goes to a church that the issue of race is spoken of often- and to quote Malcolm X- wow.

To me has Mr. Wright forgiven the past- as I have said before I wasn't here during slavery. I do agree that it was wrong. Has Mr. Wright ever thanked President Abraham Lincoln - if he has I have not heard about it.

I do not have an African Heritage- plus what does that have to do with being a Christian?

"Jesus was born a poor black man"- Mr. Wright is incorrect, Jesus was a Jew.

The point is it does not matter if Jesus was born with red, yellow, black and white on his skin- it has nothing to do with our skin color. God sent Jesus to be our Messiah our Saviour.

I have a hard time with Obama going to a church that teaches this and the website belief system:

click Obamas church Trinity United Church.

I do have a problem with their belief system- I promise you my church website says nothing about color.

The problem I have is Obama has known Mr. Wright 20 years- and he does not know he believes this way? Plus Malcolm X- when we talk race it creates problems- can I ask what can we do since I wasn't born during that time? I think forgiveness is the answer- do I believe slavery was right- never.

We need to pray for our nation and for our Presidents. The bible instructs us to.

My problem with Obama is his belief system- 20 years and did not know?Mr. Wright is like a uncle, sorry but I think I would know if my uncle believed this way.

I want to know about Health Care- how will this be done- Obama talks about change and Hope- I already have the Hope part- what change?

Believe me, I will pray for whoever wins President- God instructs for me to do this.

Again, I think this is such a big issue because we are known by the company we keep.

Wow, it's late- I have a sinus infection- had it for a while can't sleep- gotta go.

I leave with this:

click The Human Race

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Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 12:06pm.

With respect I still have problems with this pastor, well now retired Pastor.

I go to church every Sunday and never once has our Pastor brought up the race issue, there is not a reason to. Because at our church we are "The Human Race"- Love has no color- I don't see it they don't see it, God does not see it. We do have the "Human Race". Church is about Jesus.

It’s the same in my church BPR. However we do acknowledge that there are those who do not follow Jesus’ teachings – especially ‘do unto others as you would have them do unto you. We know that all of us are children of God, here to demonstrate the Truth, Life, Love, Mind, Soul, and Principle that represents God. In my own personal experience I have seen the hate expressed to those of different religions, colors, beliefs – AND the love expressed to those who are different. I witnessed the change in Malcolm when he traveled to Mecca and saw Muslims of all different colors praying together and respecting one another. It is not wisdom, in my opinion to separate the word from the actions of a human being. Before Malcom was assassinated by those who feared his words of ‘love’ and ‘peace’ with all mankind –when he joined platforms with Martin Luther King, he was preaching world peace. . .a far cry from the words that you are referring to. Mankind can change – note Saul – who became Paul. Words taken out of context which were referring to mankind ceasing from following the road of revenge –were a great disservice to the black church and Rev. Wright. The issue of race is NOT spoken of often in the black church! How many services have you attended to support your assumption that it is? I do know that the mistreatment of fellow human beings is spoken of in my church. (As found in the Bible and the teachings of our Pastor) As a child, I was a member of the AME church (black/Methodist). We were constantly raising funds for water wells in Africa. We were aware of the conflict between different tribes/beliefs in Africa. We were taught that these conflicts were the result of ignorant hate; often based on greed; and unfortunately these unloving conflicts could be found throughout the world. (I grew up in the aftermath of WWII)

Neither my mother or myself were alive during slavery. But we were both victims of Jim Crow – and it’s aftermath. Gods’ children of a lighter hue have not experienced this. And in 2008, there are children of color who have not experienced this. Mankind can change – some humans don’t. (As I’m sure you’ve seen such ‘hate’ expressed her on this ‘blog’ – sincerely stating that they’re referring to the facts – and applying their ‘facts’ to an entire race of people. In a ‘black’ church as in a ‘white’ church – most of the time is spent helping the churchgoers to use the Bible as a guide to living better and more productive lives here and now. My white friends and relatives who have visited a ‘black’ church’ have been warmly welcomed. (This fact has been reported in the media – but many choose to ignore it) My present church in Fayetteville – would be considered ‘white’ by those who are obsessed with color’. My church is a community of God’s children who are trying to live their lives as Jesus lived his. . .he was the ‘way shower’.

My question to the readers of this ‘essay’ – is why is it necessary for ‘blacks’ to integrate a ‘white’ church? How many ‘whites’ have visited a ‘black’ church of their denomination? Of course there are reasons – for there are cultural differences in the way we (black/white/ yellow/ red/ etc.) express joy and love for The Christ.

Blacks since the Revolutionary War have shown their love and patriotism for America. (The first man to die in the Revolutionary War was Crispis Attucks – a black man) Rev. Wright was preaching that Sunday – the Sunday after the attack on New York (9/11) about the fruitlessness of ‘revenge’. Those who heard the entire sermon were ignited by his passion for ‘needing to turn the other cheek – rather than using ‘war’ as revenge for the horror that was perpetrated on America on 9/11. God would not ‘bless’ America for continuing down the path of revenge, war, terror, etc. – as had been done in the past – but that God may Damn America for continuing war and bloodshed. I don’t think that Rev. Wright was the only minister that Sunday preaching that message, The ‘snippets’ that were played over and over again. . were offensive. Those who were in the audience got the ‘bigger’ message that was intended. . to solve challenges brought on by hate and ignorance in a non-violent manner.

There will be those who will contradict everything that I have said here – but they will be those who are speaking from a ‘white’ perspective I think. (I may be wrong). Our perspective on life is based on our experience. You have had a very loving and supportive experience – that does not mean that you have had an ‘easy’ life – but that you view mankind through your faith.

I understand that the method of delivery and the response of the audience in the black church to one who is not familiar with the tradition of the black church make the snippets frightening. Until I heard those words within the context of the sermon – I too was disgusted. I don’t expect anyone to change his or her mind about this incident because of what I’ve written – but I just wanted to share my perspective with BPR

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Submitted by Gamma Sherri on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 4:55pm.

David's Mom,

You had me up to here:

Neither my mother or myself were alive during slavery. But we were both victims of Jim Crow – and it’s aftermath. Gods’ children of a lighter hue have not experienced this.

I bring up the same point I always bring up: Discrimination knows no boundaries. Ask any legal immigrant who works in a sweatshop. Ask the coal miner living in company housing. Ask any sharecropper working the man's farm. Ask the American Indian standing on a desolate, barren reservation. Ask the migrant worker living in housing not fit for a rabbit. Ask the hillbilly/redneck who recently moved to the big city. Ask the poor white/black/hispanic/oriental/poor kid who goes to a predominately black/white/oriental/hispanic/rich school.

Human beings discriminate against anything different from what they consider familiar. It's a terrible, terrible trait that all humans have to fight against, sometimes within their own family. Not discriminating is something that has to be taught and shown to be the right thing to do.

I was raised by white hillbilly parents, who, because they were were educated, moved to Atlanta for a job advancement in the middle of the civil rights movement. You can take the hillbilly out of the mountains, but not the mountains out of the hillybilly. Because we sounded different, dressed different, acted different, and ate different food, the middle class white kids in school and our neighborhood discriminated against us. We were estatic to see black families move in, because they would associate and play with us! My mother was shunned in her church because she invited a black family to come to church with us one Sunday. Because of the way we were treated, my parents kept reinforcing to my brothers and I that we were no different than anybody else -- under the clothes we wore, beneath the color of our skin, we were all the same. That is what my parents taught me, and I have tried to teach my children.

Did it work? To my shame, I immediately check the car locks when I'm downtown at the Varsity. I judge a new church I attend by how many blacks are in the choir (don't get me wrong -- it is a positive thing for the church if there are blacks in the choir and congregation). So, I am still discriminating by association... if there are homeless roaming the parking lot at the Varsity, I feel threatened. If a new church doesn't have blacks, I'm assuming the church is not welcoming to people of another hue (I actually love that saying, David's Mom) and that their music is going to be the soul-less white people kind. But I try to fight it, every day.

Gamma Sherri

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Submitted by BPR on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 6:09pm.

I can't get enough of Ron Kenoly, Kirk Franklin, Andrea Crouch - I love Kirk- I have his book- tears many tears his life story and about a God that loves us all.

click lean on me
kirk franklin

I was a teenager in the later 70's - I love Andrea Crouch

click Andrea Crouch and CeCe Winans

Sorry just one more, I could do this all night- I do it with my husband we love music.

click Ancient of Days
Ron Kenoly

Andrea wrote this song but this is my favorite singer

click Russ Taff To God Be The Glory

This is a great reminder of my early christian days as a teenagers- I loved Andrea Crouch.

Hey- thank God for great music to praise Him!

Have a good evening.


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Submitted by BPR on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 1:23pm.

Hi Davids Mom thank you for your response.

You have handled this in a poliet way and I respect that.

I think alot in the USA you brought up with a belief system that started with God, belief in Jesus Christ from the beginning. My heritage is that Jesus Christ saves and forgives those who receive Him- He is the Messiah- the Savior- the One who made the way- paid for my sins on the cross.

I do know that we live in a free country and and land of the free is the best place to live. I know there are different belief systems and I do respect them even if they differ from mine.

I am not judge- God is- I do go by my belief system with my belief in God.

Can I ask if you know if Obamas church is a Christian Church? I may call and ask some questions- I do want to be fair. In saying that if they are why do they honor Louis Farrakhan- is this church a Muslim church. If this is a Christian church did Malcolm X ever convert to Christianity?

I still do struggle with God_____ America, and some of the other things that were said- if this church is a Christian church.

Where I go to church we are I don't like to use the term- because like I said before we are the "Human Race" I do believe that. My church we have all different races.

My husband grew up in N.C. he was the son of a Pastor and in his youth group and they had 4 guys that traveled to other churches in the area to sing. My husband was one of the 4 guys. Yes, he did go to alot of black churches, but he said he never heard preaching like Mr. Wright- the preaching was like at his dad's church.

Have I ever been to a black church- yes I have, I have been a Christian since I was 15.

After marrying my husband we did move alot for my husband's job- in visiting churches we did attend black churches. They preached what my pastor preaches now.

I do have a black friend that says that he will never go to an all black church because he feels like that we should all worship together, I do also. He grew up going to just a black church.
I do wish we all could worship together- we are talking skin color- to me God created us all equal.

I still do have some questions about Obamas church and Obama saying he never heard or knew the pastor said that- this is not an attack on Obama, it's if they have ties to Louis Farrakhan and Malcolm X yes, are they Muslims? This does not mean that I don't think they can worship the way the do, I want a President that believes in the same God that the USA has on the dollar bill in God we trust. I don't think that was meaning Muslim. Or One Nation Under God.

It's fine, they can worship this way- I will sing with pride God Bless America- I will Pledge Allegiance to the flag with pride.

Maybe I should order the entire sermon, did Malcolm X become a Christian- if so could you pull it up to see- to honor Louis Farrakhan
who is Muslim I do have a problem with Obama going to a church like this.

We are not a Muslim nation- Muslims are free to worship here- Christians are free to worship here- I want a President that believes in the God that this nation was founded on.

As far my demonation I believe the theology of what we stand for- and I found out there is more other races than white starting churches.

I do hope you do understand from I am coming from- just some of the language and presentation Mr. Wright has done and said and even with Hannity I do have trouble with.

All I know is I do trust the God I serve no matter what the outcome.
Thank you for being civil and respectful.

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Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 7:25pm.


I have no doubt about your belief system. I hope that someday you will have an opportunity to listen to an entire sermon by Rev. Wright. Obama’s church, Trinity Church, is part of a national Christian denomination, (The United Church of Christ) The majority of followers in the national organization are white. His church (Trinity) is located on the South Side of Chicago – a black community – and he preaches to a predominantly black congregation. Of all of the churches of this denomination – his church is the largest – with the largest community outreach program. Regarding Malcolm. He left the Black Muslim organization when he went on a prayerful trip to Mecca. The truth of God’s love for all of his children is preached in all of the world’s religions. It is the radical element of any religion that preaches hate and oppression. The KKK used the cross as a symbol – and espoused hate and terror. Many organizations have honored those who do not agree totally with their beliefs. Farrakhan and the Black Muslims have been unbelievably successful in turning the lives of convicted criminals into productive citizens. He should be honored for that.

I am also sure that you accept all people by their actions rather than their color. Many evangelical services – Praise Services – are similar to the services in a ‘black’ church. Not all ‘black’ churches are the same – believe me. The Presbyterians and the Episcopalians are very different from the Methodist and Baptists in most cities. In predominantly black communities however, there is an Afrocentric flavor to the service. BPR – Afrocentric is not anti-white. It is demonstrating pride in African heritage – which through the years in this country has been marginalized.

On the Sunday following 9/11 – many pastors preached peace, love, and the hopelessness of seeking revenge. If you have a chance, listen to the entire sermon. Jesus taught us using parables. The circumstance of his departure from this mortal world was one of horror and torture – but his resurrection opened our eyes to the immortality of life – spiritual life. As Christians, we needed the crucifixion in order to understand the resurrection. Discuss this with your pastor.

Regarding attending a black church. You have attended one – and found the message to be the same as the message that you receive in your church. I attend a ‘white’ church – and the message of love, peace, and compassion as taught by Jesus is the same. I must admit that sometimes I attend a ‘black’ service to hear the gospel music and feel the ‘spirit’. Sunday is the most segregated day of the week in America – but through the media and technology, we are beginning to understand that the message of a loving God is the same to all. God is truly awesome. He provides for us all the message in a manner that we can understand. Isn’t that wonderful?

I think that those who wanted to ‘sway’ the election used those words of Rev. Wright to confuse the country and embarrass Obama. It backfired. Obama’s ratings are improving. His message regarding race relations is doing much to encourage open and honest discussion about race relations in this country. That’s a good thing!!

Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 7:23am.

" think that those who wanted to ‘sway’ the election used those words of Rev. Wright to confuse the country and embarrass Obama."

That's right, it is somebody elses fault that Barack attended a racist, Hate-filled church for 20 years and isn't having to be held account for it.

The broadcast of the sermons backfired, you say? We shall see in November now, won't we. We are just beginning to understand who B-HO actually is. We have 7 more months to find out more. I'm sure that a lot more will come to light.

The fact that Barack chose to align himself with a cult of hate for 20 years is just the beginning. I'm sure that there is a lot more to follow.

Barack Obama is the personification of a wolf in sheep's clothing.

The Perverse Worship of a man

Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 9:39am.

Thanks for your input.

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Submitted by BPR on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 8:02pm.

Thanks again for your civil response.

In my church on 9-11 we prayed for the ones that had lost loved ones, we prayed for our enemies (the ones that flew and crashed the planes) and for the ones that planed the attack, and we are praying for the ones that are still planning attacks, for God to protect us, keep us safe. We prayed for the President for God to give him wisdom and guidance and for God to give us wisdom and guidance. We wept for people on both sides - God loves us all. We are still praying that same prayer- I know I will continue to do that. We pray that we will have peace- and that can only happen with God's help- wisdom and guidance.

We have never prayed for revenge- when I say we prayed for our enemies we prayed for their sorrow and pain also- we prayed that God would comfort them- and that they would come to know Him. I would not go to a church that prayed for revenge.

I am concerned with what is called liberated theology. There is a big difference between that and Christian churches.

I am sorry I can't honor Louis Farrakhan- I can't honor Malcolm X until I know their belief system. Their belief system does not match what the USA was founded on. The good things we do does not make us Christian- our acceptance of Jesus paying the price for our sins- and our needing forgiveness of our sins and asking Him to be our Lord and Savior. This is my belief system- others are different and that is okay. We are in the land of the free.

I choose to worship with what I call the "Human Race" we want all to come- we are living in some difficult situations. We need God to give us wisdom, guidance and peace that He is with us.

I want a President that has to know that he can't do this himself- he is just a man- I need a President that prays daily for wisdom, guidance and peace-

No matter what someone belief system is we don't need to be at war over with each other in this nation.

Even though I disagree, I do respect you, we live in the land of the free- I am thankful to God for that- if I didn't I would be forced to believe in what they said to believe in.

Just know whoever gets President has my prayers- the bible instructs us to do that.

Have a nice evening.

We Will Stand

Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 9:42am.

May God continue to bless you and yours. Smiling

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Submitted by BPR on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 12:45pm.

May God continue to bless you also.Smiling

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Submitted by BPR on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 12:45pm.

May God continue to bless you also.Smiling

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Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 12:38pm.

This is the best explanation I have read yet about this whole thing.

I wish that I could have heard the whole sermon. I have talked about this with friends who have attended a "black church" their whole lives. They were surprised at the reaction to Rev. Wright and his teachings. They have been taught those same priniciples and messages their whole lives.

Anyway I think this whole affair has prompted fruitful discussion.

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Submitted by mudcat on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 7:09pm.

That's right - poli/poly - tics.
Defined by that great philosoper Kinky Freeman as poly - meaning many and tics - as blood sucking parasites.

There you have many blood sucking parasites as being the definition of politicians. Am I right?

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 5:17am.

Keep reminding us of the important message. I think we all need it.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 1:08pm.

Apparently, most people don't find it interesting because after a brief dip, his poll numbers have risen to their highest level yet. If anything, the whole Rev. Wright fiasco helped Obama as he was able to give a big speech and make people swoon some more, and then Shillary started her BS. Results were more good news for Obama all-around. The guy lives a charmed political life at this point, plus a lot of people were probably turned-off by the media frenzy over it all after the first few days.

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Submitted by JeffC on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 11:29am.

This NewsMax story has been refuted and has been proven to be untrue over and over. Obama was in Miami and did not return to Chicago that day. Since NewsMax is usually just a make believe newspaper anyway, nobody took it seriously until Bill Kristol cited it in an opinion piece in the New York Times. Kristol had to retract his piece but he should have known better then to give credence to a NewsMax story in the first place without checking it out. Sloppy journalism for him but typical. NewsMax is changing its story on it almost daily.

Unfortunately for Kristol, NewsMax and the Obama haters, as it turns out (and as I predicted to much disdainful commentary) nobody seems to care about Obama’s pastor. Since the story, Obama’s poll numbers have risen, Hillary’s have fallen and Obama has broken his own fund raising records.

Obama can’t be beat because of any guilt by association ploy. Hillary and the Republicans are going to have to do better than that.

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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 9:02am.

Come on JeffC, nobody really reads this website but for a very few Fayette Countians, unless you believe everything you read.

So, it would seem appropriate, that you could come off your Obama band wagon for a few minutes and honestly apprise the facts about Rev. Wright.

You attempt to distance Obama from Wright on the one hand, then says it doesn't matter on the other. Which is it?

Why Defend Obama if he wasn't at one of Rev. Wright's most obvious examples of bigotry and hatred, if in fact, it doesn't matter? The point is your boy toy, sat in that pew for 20 years, and you want us to believe that Obama was never present during any of his incendiary speeches.

What will it prove, if we can actually place him in a pew while Wright spewed his hatred on a given Sunday Morning? Will you concede that Obama is not fit to be president, or will you back peddal and claim the events don't matter, because the polls are showing little if any loss in support? Do you really believe the polls? I had you figured out to be smarter than that.

You keep mentioning the polls. Well MOST American that will vote in November, are not paying as close attention to the facts, as you and I are. Once the Democrats have their convention in August, then the barn doors will be open, and many wonderful commercials will be run extolling the virture of you new messiah, and I, will be sending in my donations, not to the National Republican Committee, but to the 527's that ran the Swift Boat commericals against Kerry. In fact, I'll likely double my giving to them.

So whistle past the grave yards all that you want, because you know, that Obama's racism and hatred of America has to be covered up. Otherwise, that 30 percent of America, called the independent voters, who only vote in the Presidential election, might find this tidbit of information rather important. I'm willing to bet my limited donations of money to that worthy cause.

Try whistlin' Dixie. That's a catchy tune.

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 3:26am.

Enjoyed them all!!!!! "Dixie" is a catchy tune, isn't it? Laughing out loud

"Dumbfounded by Obama's Poll Numbers"
by Edward I. Koch (EXCERPTS)

Barack's failure, in my judgment, is an out-and-out failure of moral strength, as he was unwilling to stand up to his bigoted minister, Wright, for 20 years while Wright denounced from the pulpit whites, Jews and the state of Israel.

Interestingly, he also refers to an apology by the Rev. Wright, which I've not seen published anywhere. Have you?

And, more importantly, why did it take him 20 years to come to this conclusion?

"Unconvinced by Obama’s Wright Speech"

Before we discuss his grandmother, let’s examine the impact of Rev. Wright’s statements on the senator’s two daughters. Nothing says it better than a song from the musical “South Pacific,” to wit, “You have to be taught to hate and fear… You’ve got to be carefully taught.”

Few dispute that Rev. Wright’s sermons are filled with hate. [He must not being reading some of the posters here. Laughing out loud ] Why didn’t Obama stand up in the church and denounce his hateful statements or, at the very least, argue privately with his minister? It was horrifying to see on a video now viewed across America the congregation rise from the pews to applaud their minister’s rants.

Now to Obama’s grandmother. There was a time spanning the 70’s to the mid-90s when many blacks and whites in large American cities expressed the same feelings on street crime held by Obama’s grandmother. Indeed, the Rev. Jesse Jackson made similar comments in 1993 at a meeting of his organization, Operation Push, devoted to street crime. According to a Nov. 29, 1993, article in the Chicago Sun Times, he said,

“'We must face the No. 1 critical issue of our day. It is youth crime in general and black-on-black crime in particular.’ Then Jackson told the audience, ‘There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved . . . After all we have been through,’ he said. ‘Just to think we can’t walk down our own streets, how humiliating.’”

A great leader with conscience and courage would have stood up and faced down anyone who engages in such conduct. I expect a president of the United States to have the strength of character to denounce and disown enemies of America — foreign and domestic — and yes, even his friends and confidants when they get seriously out of line.

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Submitted by JeffC on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 11:20am.

(OK, it was NewsMax but I read it anyway to see what the Clinton campaign had to say.)

Speaking of Obama’s grandmother, Koch said, “In today’s vernacular, he threw her under the wheels of the bus to keep his presidential campaign rolling.”

Poor lady. There she goes again, right back under the bus!

We Obama supporters appreciate how concerned you Republicans and Hillary supporters (like Koch) are for our guy’s grandmother.

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Submitted by JeffC on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 11:24am.

IMO you are not going to beat Obama with guilt by association. Just not gonna work. You thought it was a knockout blow already and his numbers went up instead. It will be used against him for sure but the election is going to be decided on issues this time: Iraq and the economy. Given that, I fully understand why you'd be relying on the swiftboating strategy again. Please give the 527's all of your money. I am anticipating a Wright vs. Hagee battle.

BTW, seems like all of the loons are jumping on tagging him as a "messiah". What am I missing?

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 12:32pm.

I'm amused at this "messiah" thing too, Jeff.

I believe this word, used derogatorily of course, reflects a certain desparation on the part of the Republicans.

They are finding out that, in this election cycle at least, their tried-and-true methods of character assassination Just Aren't Working.

Hate radio and the Republican party have spent almost two decades honing their hate speech to a razor sharp edge. They've pulled out the big cannons for this cycle: they question Obama's faith, they question his race and they question his patriotism. Market tested and focus group driven smears.

But people aren't buying this time around.

They ratcheted up the volume, and people simply shrug.

If I were a conservative Republican (and I'm not, because "conservatism" and "Christianity" are, in my mind mutually exclusive), I'd be pulling my hair out.

They tried the same stuff with Bill Clinton, but stuff just bounced off him...but at least his polls didn't improve.

They try these politics of personal destruction with Obama and not only does it NOT affect him, it seems to attract MORE people to him!

Being a Republican means you can never ever admit you are wrong (right, Richard?) and therefore they cannot acknowledge that there smear attacks are not working....ergo it must be the public's fault!
If the Public would only listen to the Republican attack politics they'd surely hate the Negro almost as much as good God-fearing Republicans do! Hence, the public must be "deluding" themselves and Obama is, in their minds, a false "messiah" who is "hoodwinking" them.

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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 6:20pm.

As the press, other investigative operatives, and the every day citizenry starts performing their 'due diligence' on Obama, and they start linking his true views, attitudes and just plain odd thinking to the likes of Basmati and company, it won't take long for the average Joes to start wising up and proclaiming: "Holy Bovine Droppings! This guy actually made it on the ballet?"

My goodness dude! After reading that it's no wonder your candidates have to hide their true liberal roots and swing toward the right to have any kind of a chance to get elected. Normal Americans just ain't gonna buy into what you just wrote. Shocked

In order to maintain a more civil accord on the Citizen I've bit my tongue much in recent days. But, who could remain silent after reading that kind of hateful, deceitful and ignorant BS? Puzzled


The Sissy And The Word Defined

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Submitted by TonyF on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 5:34am.

So now Obama is a dancer?

O wad some Power the giftie gie us,To see oursels as ithers see us!
(R. Burns)
If we could see ourselves as others see us, we would vanish on the spot.
(E. M. Cioran)

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 7:23am.

Don't think for a moment I mispelled a word. I simply did not complete the sentence. Let me show you:

"Holy Bovine Droppings! This guy actually made it on the ballet and the ballot?"

See.... uhh... he dances his way along the campaign trail to make it on the ballot. Does that help? Clarify? Confuse? Oh forget it, .... I'm gonna prop my feet back up on my desk and nap a bit as my employees put into action "Git's ability to seperate a fool from his money as Basmati Sniffles would put it. I think he's just jealous. Eye-wink


The Sissy And The Word Defined

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 6:32pm.

Now Git, I realize you deserted the Republican party the moment things got tough, but I can assure you that your former party is working around the clock dredging up everything remotely detrimental to Obama.

If you take a look at the blog entries for this site, you'd find that of the last 60 or so blog entries, fully 15 of them were stuff critical of Obama, usually the handiwork of those reliable Republican operatives, beaver and bpr.

Interestingly, bpr has, like you, loudly proclaimed her neutrality in the upcoming election, yet also like you, cannot seem to let an opportunity pass by to throw a slur or two at Obama.

Yet Obama keeps gaining in popularity and votes, and not even your shrill "librul! librul! librul!" rants seem to affect him.

The Age Of GitReal draws rapidly to a close, and America is a better place once it has gone.

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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 7:39pm.

The Age Of GitReal draws rapidly to a close, and America is a better place once it has gone.

As the Age Of Git Real and his type closes, So goes the nation. I'm sure Basmati and Obama will treasure their leadership and influence over their new third world Islamo Facist state. At least all the Conservatives will be gone. Shocked


The Sissy And The Word Defined

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 7:14pm.

The Age Of GitReal draws rapidly to a close, and America is a better place once it has gone.

Hardly. We need more people like "Git" that bust their rear ends to grow a dream into a business. A business that has an inventory, payroll and taxes to pay. It ain't easy and only a selected few can successfully do it. Our economy needs more individuals like "Git".
Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 3:46am.

"Cash-Strapped Clinton Fails to Pay Bills"

Hillary Rodham Clinton’s cash-strapped presidential campaign has been putting off paying hundreds of bills for months — freeing up cash for critical media buys but also earning the campaign a reputation as something of a deadbeat in some small-business circles.

“Sen. Clinton talks about helping working families, people in unions and small businesses. But when it comes down to actually doing something that shows that she can back up her words with action, she fails.” Shocked

"Clinton Didn't Pay Health Insurance Bills"

Only "$292,000 in unpaid health insurance premiums for her campaign staff."

"Campaigns resemble businesses in many ways. Like businesses, one of their biggest costs is salaries, payroll taxes and the benefits of their employees."

Maybe she's waiting for HillaryCare to take over? DO AS I SAY BUT NOT AS I DO. Sad

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 12:02am.

Well now, cyclist, I certainly won't begrudge the fact that Git's ability to seperate a fool from his money has had a positive impact on the economy!

What I meant by the close of the Age of Git Real was that fewer and fewer people subscribe to Git's trademark moralistic harangues and those instant, omniscient moral judgments he enjoys slinging at people.

Gosh, I've lost track of the number of times he's called me a Nazi here for daring to disagree with him....He's a credit to his Southern Baptist faith.

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 5:33am.

You're just upset that you've been unable to fulfill your recruitment quota for your Sturm Abteilung (Storm Section = SA = stormtroopers = "Brown Shirts") squad in your efforts to intimidate and denigrate bloggers who are your political opponents, while attempting to protect Obama from "swiftboat" attacks. You asked Robert KKK Byrd for Kleagle tips but still have been unable to meet your quota.

BasNazi's wrong recruitment approaches:

"Wrong again, Wrichard!" ("my fascist friend") -- "[Wright's] irrelevant....unlike you and your fellow Brownshirts, who are actively and constantly attempting to dismantle the Constitution in the name of political expediency!"

Expelled From Expelled! -- "The Creation 'Science' wingnuts, have been showing advanced screenings of their upcoming propaganda film 'Expelled' to select Brownshirts around the country."

"Change the Subject:",Richard? (“small-minded race-baiter”) – “America has put up with your pathetic attempts to Teach America To Goosestep™ for the past seven years, and they reject your creeping cryptofascism…. Sure, they've gained some resonance among trailer park Christians and Southern Baptists, but frankly, those folks wouldn't vote for a black man under any circumstances in the first place (right BPR? Git?)”

"Main Stream, about those bullies…" -- “Herr Hobbes” / “I pulled his "man card". [sic] I expected the Sissy to at least put up a token resistance…. I also got a kick out of his pathetic chest thumping about how I'd better not come after his pathetic family coz he would defend 'em by any means necessary. I sincerely doubt that a man [Git] who will not even stand up to defend his own words would stand up to protect his family. I truly pity his children.”

Exactly which faith are you a "credit" to, $nif? Puzzled

"Wrong again, Wrichard!" -- “I bet Mrs. Hobbes could tell us a few stories about how you take out your frustrations on women! … You're most likely trapped in a loveless marriage, with chronically underachieving children and a dog who refuses to be housebroken.” Shocked

That wouldn't be some of those "instant, omniscient moral judgments [you] enjoy slinging at people," would it? Puzzled

"Hang in there, Hack!" – “I'd urge you to ignore the superheated rhetoric of the 'Axis of Weasels' (Richard Hobbs, Denise Conner and Git Real)…. They know America has rejected their cryptofascist philosophy of governance, yet they are determined to fight on behalf of their deeply flawed extremist positions to the last breath.”

"denise" – “You are too royalty orientated, fascist minded, and condescending, for me to be contaminated by idling among your diatribes!” -----Whoops! $ageless said that. Eye-wink

Motto of the $niffles Gang: All opposition must be stamped into the ground!"

“The Hitler Complex” -- "short little men with enormous egos who think they can rule the world" -- Does that sound like anyone we know??? Laughing out loud

Git to “Hate Boy”: “It just puzzles me that you are more concerned over jail time for those that would take a life over the actual victim in this case. And you wonder where the Nazi part of your name is derived from?” Sad

If you HOPE to get recruits, you should read How to Win Friends and Influence People in HOPE of CHANGING your personality. Eye-wink

“Leftist Brown Shirts Shut Down Horowitz Speech at Emory”


"To educate a person in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." — Theodore Roosevelt

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 6:55pm.

Did you struggle with facts in school as much as you do in real life?

I certainly won't begrudge the fact that Git's ability to seperate a fool from his money

Be it known that I have never seperated a dime from within Basmati's pocket. So how can that statement be true?

I've lost track of the number of times he's called me a Nazi here for daring to disagree with him

Correcto Mundo Muchacho! The Gitster calls you a Nazi because of your nastiness and vicious hatred of those that disagree with you! This ole Southern Baptist just rejoices to the fact that you are not in power and that you are unarmed. I disagree with Jeff C and Yardman, yet I hardly view them as Nazis. You and your sister Mein?.... I just hope you guys never locate that sign-up sheet for the Unibomber Wing of the Left Wing Party. Smiling

Long live the Git!


The Sissy And The Word Defined

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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 7:41pm.

You my friend are every bit as much and more a Git as I.

In plagiarizing I say "Cheers".

Hope I don't git hit with a copyright infringement lawsuit.


The Sissy And The Word Defined

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Submitted by Main Stream on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 12:20pm.

Bill Maher offered a thought provoking editorial recently, "Catholics Must Get Up Out of the Pew and Walk Out of the Church Forever" because of all the child sexual abuse scandals involving priests for decades. Does their unwillingness to leave their church reveal a tacit approval? The same tacit approval that the right-wing has been accusing Obama of, in regards to Reverand Wright?

In the future, if a Catholic runs for President, will he/she be plagued with this same question: Why didn't you leave the Catholic church when it was discovered that children were being sexually abused at the hands of priests, while the Pope and others looked the other way?

"Yes, by Sean Hannity's own logic, Catholic's like him, en masse, would be expected to abandon their church…" - Bill Maher

So, when will folks be leaving their Catholic churches, en masse??

Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 12:18pm.

Wow! Now that is thought provoking!!

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Submitted by maximus on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 12:59pm.

Now I see where you get your nonsensical ideas, mainstream – idiots like Bill Maher.

Unlike Obama and the other followers of Rev. Wracist, Catholic parishioners will hold their priests accountable. If they discovered that their priest was molesting kids they wouldn’t tolerate it. And they sure wouldn’t sit and watch it every Sunday for 20 years. I’ve never know a single Catholic who doesn’t think that any child-molesting priest doesn’t belong in jail – or worse. And that goes for anyone involved in the cover up. These were individual bad people, not the rank-and-file Catholic parishioners, priests, bishops or cardinals.

Child molesting is not condoned or tolerated by Catholics. Racism and anti-American rhetoric is condoned by the followers of some preachers of “hope” and “change”.

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Submitted by maximus on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 1:21pm.

Yes I am 100% sure, basmatti. In your googled links that I’m sure you didn’t even bother reading yourself, which one was a story of parishioners tolerating child molestation?

The “higher officials” and officers involved in any cover-up should be held accountable as well as the priests.

Obama and all the other people sitting in his church knew exactly what Rev. Wracist was. We’re not talking about his secret misdeeds or his racist anti-American spew being covered up by higher officials in the church. Barrack and everyone else there knew exactly what he was.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 12:27pm.



And Match!!!!


Kevin "Hack" King

Submitted by thebeaver on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 12:50pm.

The Obama Apologists are coming out of the woodwork for their boy.
Lood at them with their arms flapping, giving moral equivalence to a hate-filled, racist church run by a severely dimented old man that is Obama's mentor.

B"ut, but, but, the Catholics are a bunch of pedophiles, so that makes it o.k.!" , they scream.

It would be comical if it weren't so pathetic and sad.

Hack- Your boy Obama is TOAST. He went on "the View" and tried to claim that he was going to leave the racist, hate-filled, anti-American, Anti-white church if his mentor and friend didn't "retire".
What a pathetic freaking liar. He might as well as put on a dress in front of the rest of the little girls on that show

Barack Obama is the personification of a wolf in sheep's clothing.

The Perverse Worship of a man

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 5:41pm.

Elisabeth Hasselbeck: Voice of conservatism

(Short on time? Go to 4 minutes 5 seconds)


Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 12:10pm.

Sort of like the Hope that Jim Jones gave to his "Peoples Temple".

You can HOPE all you want to Jeff, but words do have meaning. And your spin isn't going to work. My God, this is just a little blog with a few hundred readers, and you are so swept up in the spin, you can't even acknowledge it honestly.

There is no comparison to Hagee and Wright. But you try to make it one. But this proves your argument is disengenious. If you really believed Hagee was a problem, which you are trying to make it one, then you'd honestly admit that Wright is a problem for Obama.

And to hell with the POLLS. You keep quoting them and you know they are worthless.

If you want real polls then I'll quote you the one, where Democrats are more likely than Republicans in voting against a Black than a Republican is.

AND more Clinton backers will vote for McCain, than Obama backers will vote for McCain.

So, Obama's hatefilled 20 years spent at this Cult like church, does effect the Polls, the Democrat voters of Hillary, who will likely move to support a moderate like McCain.

If being a Uniter is so important to you, which I care not a rat's ass about, then McCain's views on a whole are shared by more Americans than any of the candidates.

Most of the liberals in Washington Loved McCain. Kerry, Kennedy, Feingold. You see what being all things to all people will get you? It will get you DIVISION.

So spout off about Obama being a UNITER. I'll tell you this, I'll fight more aggressively against him than any candidate since your father. Who I merely worked in a back room of a Ford Campaign office for, when I was 15.

Wait, as I typed this, I realized something. If Barack becomes president, then yes, I think we could find someone who could screw things up so bad, that we might long for the days of your old man.

Okay, so you are smarter than I thought. You crafty little weazel.

America is just now starting to pay attention to the Presidential Race, and what they are seeing is not a UNITER, the Democratic race is proving that. They are not seeing HOPE, they see anger and evil hatred being spoken openly in a House of God. They are not seeing experience, but are seeing that Barack is nothing more than an orator, whose message inspires one, until they actually read the meaning to his words.

Yeah, JeffC, keep the high fives going. Because, I see things moving dramatically toward McCain. You better hope for a serious recession, because without one, your guy will never see the inside of the White House without an invitation from President McCain.

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Submitted by JeffC on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 1:23pm.

I have acknowledged all along that Wright would be an issue and I have acknowledged all along that it would be replayed in the fall campaign by the swiftboaters. My point is and has been that it is simply not going to work. My point about Hagee is perfectly valid. Imagine a 527 ad in Spanish playing in all the Hispanic communities with Hagee doing his Catholic Church is the Great Whore of Revelations speech and then John McCain accepting his endorsement and calling him his spiritual advisor. It will certainly work both ways. Sadly, you swiftboaters will probably drag the wholesome Democrats down into the slime with you. Alas.

You don’t like the polls because they refute every argument you try to make. They are pretty good for measuring a snapshot which is why they are far more accurate in portraying the lack of harm to the Obama campaign over the Wright affair right now than they are at predicting Democrats will vote for the Republican seven months from now.

I sense your frustration that even though y’all have found someone that Obama knows that says outrageous things, even that is not enough to overcome his growing popularity.

I believe though that you are mistaken about him being a uniter, although I don’t remember making that particular claim for him. The current Democratic race proves nothing in that respect of course since it is the very nature of an election itself that people divide and choose.

At the convention Obama will give one of the most rousing speeches in our lifetime and the Democrats will rally back to the fold. I hope that Republicans will continue to ignore the substance of his speeches and will continue to campaign against HOPE. That’s a winner for sure.

Finally, as proof of Obama’s remarkable skills as a Uniter, please contemplate on the fact that he has united you and John McCain!

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Submitted by maximus on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 1:27pm.

"Finally, as proof of Obama’s remarkable skills as a Uniter, please contemplate on the fact that he has united you and John McCain!"

I never would have believed it possible, but in my case he did indeed do that, Jeff.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 12:58am.

Both objectivity and support for military folks seem to be hard to come by in modern day conservatism, Maximus. Call this an epiphany, if you will, but here's what I've noticed:

If you are a military man who has actually seen combat, and you now serve your country in Washington, DC, you, most likely, aren't very popular with "conservatives*" (*conservatives = republicans and independents who are republicans that don't want to claim they are republicans). Cases in point?

Chuck Hagel dared say Iraq wasn't going so well, contrary to the sunshine Donald Rumsfeld and the Bush admin were blowing up our you know whats. Conservatives turned on him like rabid dogs on their owners. Ditto for John McCain who has dared to speak out on torture and tax cuts (once upon a time) and religious intolerance (ditto upon a time). Jack Murtha, Charlie Rangel, James Webb, John Kerry. All men who chose to serve their country in time of war, and NONE of them popular with the *conservative crowd. Let's look here in Georgia.

Triple amputee Max Cleland, a decorated veteran and triple amputee, was attacked by Rep. Saxby Chambliss "for breaking his oath to protect and defend the Constitution." What do we know about Saxby? In the 1960s, during the Vietnam War, Chambliss was given a student deferment so he could attend law school. After that, he received a medical deferment because of a bad knee (Wikepedia).

Maximus, its NOT that conservatives* don't support these guys' policies. That's understandable. But conservatives* go a step farther. With Cleland, Murtha, Rangel, Kerry, conservatives* question their very love of country and patriotism. Often times while supporting their war-deferment opponents. Think about it. Saxby Chambliss questioning Max Cleland's oath to support the U.S. Constitution?

Conservatives are a tough bunch to figure out.

As for you continuing the used up Rev Wracist mantra(even after I've given you links and first hand accounts from white visitors and members of this church), and failing to see a similar link between Catholicisms' warts and its parishoners' refusal to defect; even after you've been given link after link of legal judgments rendered against the Catholic Church for its complicity in aiding and abetting pedophiles, you are forced, by politics, to keep beating the "Barack and his pastor are racists no matter what white people who actually know them say" drum. Your drum needs new heads, Max. Your "support the troops" tires need new tread. I truly believe that there is a 100% chance, barring a sniper's bullet, that you will not like your next president, be he the war hero, or the young inspiration. And I find that perplexing, for someone who has such strong opinions during the Democratic primary.

Just late night ramblings. I've got to get back to The Speed Channel. They're drag racing a Mercedes CL65 against street rods! Woooaaaa mommaaa!


Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by maximus on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 2:13pm.

Could your “epiphany” have been alcohol induced?Eye-wink

I don’t base my support for president solely on military duty - or lack of it. I don’t disparage Barrack or Clinton (Bill or Hillary) for not serving in the military. Not everyone belongs there. They would just get in the way, which is just one of the reasons that I am so opposed to the draft.

“Maximus, its NOT that conservatives* don't support these guys' policies.[Webb, Rangel, Cleland, etc]” Yes, Hack, it absolutely is.

Just because someone is a war here, and no one can hold a candle to McCain in that regard, doesn’t mean that I want them to run the country or have anything to do with running my life.

And the comparison between Rev. Wracist followers and the Catholic church rank-and-file is idiotic. I guarantee you that neither Catholics nor conservatives would support a presidential candidate whose mentor and advisor was a child molester. Yet someone whose mentor and advisor is a rampant anti-American, hypocritical, racist is eagerly supported by liberals.

Now, about that Mercedes CL65, was it stock?


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 6:07pm.

since my last visit to Skyspy's.

The MB CL 65 was bone stock, V-12, 600 ish HP, twin turbo stupid fast German beauty. The guy driving in 1/8 mile drags got straigh launches every time, allowing him to destroy a Ford GT500 and an old blown panel wagon. When he launched next to a true dragster with slicks and 900 HP, the $200,000 Benz was well toasted. After three drags, however, they drove the Benz straight to a So Cal nightclub with nothing but a little missing rubber on the back. What a ride!

Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by maximus on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 8:23pm.

I think I'll order one tomorrow - if I can get one of those govt. backed mortgages on it.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 11:15am.

What EXACTLY are you trying to accomplish? Do you, as a Republican, want to shape the Democratic primary? Why didn't you guys hang on to this ammo until the general? That would have been much smarter, because it would have given the defense less time for rebuttal. However, you shot your salvo very early.

Richard, you continue to paint supporters of Barack Obama as blind, or stupid, or sheep. This would imply that you are smarter, yes? Smart enough to collect all of the FACTS at your disposal? Smart enough to craft a consistent argument?

If your message is that Barack sat in this church for many years, and the message of the church was full of hate, so, therefore, Barack had to hear and condone a message of hate, I would expect you to have proof of this atmosphere of hate. Instead, you have Youtube 30 second sound bytes and opinions from people who have never sat in a Trinity service. What do white members of Trinity and white visitors to Trinity say?

Martin Marty, a well known and respected Biblical scholar who DOES NOT ENDORSE Barack, has gone on record saying that the message at Trinity is filled with "hope, hope, hope." Here is a paragraph from his article:

"So Trinity is "Africentric," and deals internationally and ecumenically with the heritage of "black is beautiful." Despite what one sometimes hears, Wright and his parishioners — an 8,000-member mingling of everyone from the disadvantaged to the middle class, and not a few shakers and movers in Chicago — are "keepin' the faith." To those in range of Chicago TV I'd recommend a watching of Trinity's Sunday services, and challenge you to find anything "cultic" or "sectarian" about them. More important, for Trinity, being "unashamedly black" does not mean being "anti-white." My wife and I on occasion attend, and, like all other non-blacks, are enthusiastically welcomed."

Here is Martin Marty's article

William Von Hoene Jr., a white member of Trinity United Church of Christ, wrote a LTE published in several news papers across the country. William stated, among other things,

"It is also important that we not let media coverage and political gamesmanship isolate selected remarks by Wright to the exclusion of anything else that might define him more accurately and completely."

Here is Von Hoene's Letter to the Editor

Richard, I do not doubt that you are an accomplished and effective lawyer. I ask you:

Which type of testimony is more effective in courts of law: Here say by second or third parties, video clips that do not include messages in their entirety, or FIRST HAND testimony from actual people who have actual experiences with the subject matter?

That should be an easy one to answer, Richard.

If the point you are trying to make is that we must all repudiate the unpopular words of other people associated with us, I would ask why you have not applied this new logic to John McCain WRT Hagee "The Catholic Church is the Great Whore" or Falwell the "9/11 was in part the result of God's judgment for our acceptance of gays and liberalism" guy, or Parsley the "we were founded as a nation to defeat Islam" guy?

The answer: You are a partisan politico taking the only opening you feel you have. You have milked it (much too early) and by the time Barack and John McCain are sharing a stage to debate, this dead dog will not hunt. McCain and his VERY unenthusiastic supporters will be forced into a battle of ideas "gasp." And McCain's Bush parte trois policies will be DOA.

Hope you find a new attack for the man Americans feel most likely to UNITE the country.

Cheers, Richard

Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 11:55am.

You asked, I'll say it. If you believe that words like Change, Yes you can, and that a candidate who can UNITE the country are all realistic characterizations of Obama, then I would say yes, you are not very smart, or perhaps are delusional.

I for one, think you libs are idiots. I truly do, if you think that a Senator of 4 years experience, who has one of the most liberal voting records out there, can in some way UNITE Republicans and Democrats.

Your foolish or insane to believe such things. True, as Chris Matthews says, Obama gives me a chill up my spine and makes me want to believe. That is however, not substance, it is smoke and mirrors.

Words have meaning Hack and merely because Obama is a great orator, doesn't automatically make him a uniter or the heir apparent to the White House.

We know so little about Obama, and what we do know is very limited. Therefore, we have nothing by which to base our opinions about him except those limited examples that are coming forward now.

Facts are stubborn things.

The Trinity church and the black theology that comes along with it is an outrage. Merely because some bedwetters out there, say he speaks of hope, says nothing to me. You may feel comfort in hearing what others say about that church, but I've read many of his sermons and I've listened to all of several of his, not just the soundbites. I take it all into consideration, and my opinion is that the church is one of bigotry, of victimization and hatred.

How can you say that his church is one of hope, when he blames white America for AIDS, for Crack Cocaine, for the entire victimization process.

Juan Williams an NPR liberal said it best.
WILLIAMS: Of course, it says something about him. He joined this church, really, to solidify his credentials as authentically black and authentically a part of that South Side Chicago community, because it's the largest church there and Reverend Wright is well known not only in Chicago, but nationally, and he's known for making these outlandish comments. It's very key here that, unlike the notion that Barack Obama wants to advance that he didn't -- or wasn't aware of it, I find that unbelievable, or that this is a crazy uncle speaking out, he -- he -- this is a man who he chose to be associated with. It's not a family member. He chose to be associated with Reverend Wright and saw advantage in it. It speaks to his character and it speaks to the judgment, which is the basis on which Barack Obama has been running this campaign.

Obama, who says he wants to be transracial, that he wants to be the crossover. I mean, he is the fruit of a generation. This is the closest black people have ever been to having a president of the United States of America. And suddenly you see, wait a second, he's playing games and corners here on the race question. He's not being straight ahead and saying, "You know what, I stand astride racial polarization." He's saying, "I play racial polarization at one moment to my advantage -- Reverend Wright -- next moment I will distance myself and disavow Reverend Wright when that's convenient, too." That's why I say, for me it just strikes, wait a second, I want to know you, I want to know what you think and who you are, and in this case I realize, I don't.

But really, what it comes down to is an expression of black nationalism and trying to affirm black folks and say, "You know what? Racism in this country's terrible and it's a burden to be black in America," and all that. But they go beyond the pale at some point, then, and start off with this whole victimization, blaming people, damning the United States. And it goes to the point, then, where I think it becomes sort of -- it picks up and leads to what Michelle Obama said about -- only for the first time has she, this Ivy League-educated prominent American lawyer, proud to be an American because you're having support for her husband.

I think that's wackiness. But yet that's the kind of thing that spirals out of this. And I think it's very key here that, unlike the notion that Barack Obama wants to advance that he didn't -- or wasn't aware of it, I find that unbelievable -- or that this is a crazy uncle speaking out, this is a man who he chose to be associated with.

It's not a family member. He chose to be associated with Reverend Wright and saw advantage in it. And that's why he exploited it up to a point when he realized, especially when he was announcing, that he couldn't have Wright by his side for the announcement in Springfield and now seeks to somehow distance himself.

But it speaks to his character, and it speaks to the judgment which is the basis on which Barack Obama has been running his campaign. So I think it could be a big problem.

So yes, if you can't honestly apprise this obvious weakness in your candidate and acknowledge it, then yes, you are not as smart as I thought you were.

I think your brain got sloshed around by pulling too many "G's" or listening to too many of these pie in the sky sermons that Obama gives.

The only HOPE that Barack gives America, is the HOPE that he isn't the hateful, bigoted, racist, liberal with little experience that the facts tend to suggest he is.

If Hope Trumphs the Facts Hack, then yes, you are an idiot.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 12:25pm.

You are so smart that you avoided the questin that you know the answer to. So I'll wisely ask again:

Which type of testimony is more effective in courts of law: Here say by second or third parties, video clips that do not include messages in their entirety, or FIRST HAND testimony from actual people who have actual experiences with the subject matter?

Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 2:46pm.

What's more effective in court? I'd suggest that the credibility of the statements is always something that a jury can consider, and I'd suggest the most credible statements are those coming from the actual mouth of the one saying it. So, I'd say the YOUTUBE evidence is by far, and almost exclusively, is the best and only evidence that is necessary.

Now, if Wright wants to rebut his comments and say that they were taken out of context, then let him. But he doesn't. He doesn't deny the entire Black Liberation Theology. He doesn't deny that he blames America first, especially White America.
He doesn't deny the he thinks Whites are creating diseases and drugs to poison blacks.

So all of your high minded liberals who think that someone can testify to what compassion and warmth Rev. Wright preaches, can stick a sock in it. Give me the facts, something liberals are unfamiliar with, and not the spin. Give me YOUTUBE.

You know, even Hitler gave some wonderful speeches. Stalin and Lenin too. But just because 90% of what they say "sounds" good, doesn't mean the other 10% isn't completely racist, hatefilled and American blaming BS.

Have I answered your question now?

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 4:49pm.

internet wager. We are going to see who can predict which GOP water carrier's head will explode first; yours or the Beaver's? Extra points for picking the day and time.

Richard, your wheels are coming off of the train, man. Hitler references? Cursing and spittle. Man oh man. How many Jewish Nazis were there to equate to the whites that attend Trinity? How many black klanners are there (as you have used the KKK analogy)? And Dave Chapell doesn't count. richard, I have to admit. I love stomping on the craniums of your rice-paper-thin arguments. "Give me Youtube???" Hillarious!

Buddy, take your shoes off. Climb onto the couch. Lay back. Yeah, there you go.... Richard, I sense some tension. Is this Obama guy's INCREASING popularity giving you increased feelings of inadequacy? Richard, shouldn't it be YOU in front of the world's stage? Shouldn't they all know YOUR name? You aren't a desk jockey, Richard. You aren't a neck tie commando. You're special; and doggone it! People like you! Unfortunately, most of those people are voting for Obama!!1 Smiling

Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by JeffC on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 3:18pm.

Is that Wright is not running for President.

Got anything that Obama has said that is either racist, hate filled or American blaming BS?

Besides, I don't think Obama would even want your vote after you admitted that Hitler, Stalin and Lenin sounded good to you 90% of the time.

No HOPE for you Richard!

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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 4:49pm.

You're right, Wright is not running for President, but he is a mentor to a man that states he is the best qualified to be President.

The point is, . . ., hell the point is, why do I even bother answering these silly comments coming from people that know full well that Obama is a light weight. Has never done anything of note, other than make wonderful platitudes about Uniting the Country and Change.

I'm tired of arguing about it. You libs are being so very disengenious and dishonest in how you've treated candidates who you opposed, whose sins are much less than this. You are enablers, plain and simple.

The reason why Wright's rhetoric wasn't noticed last year is simple. Hillary thought she could win without exposing it, and thereby, hurting herself with the 90% that always vote Democrat. She thought the liberal media was on her side. Instead, you have these journalists falling all over themselves to worship at his feet. Instead of objectively investigating this man.

And trust me, there is more to the story that will come out. McCain might not expose him, since he is a candy ass, but, my boys at Swiftboaters for the Truth, will expose him for the racist, anti-American that he really is.

Wright is going to help bring your boy Obama down. Because there is no way Obama can explain how he can stand up to the leaders of the Iran, North Korea, Russia, Syria, France etc., if he can't stand up to a real racist.

Again, Edmund Burke said it best, All that is necessary for evil to triumph in this world is for good men to do nothing. Well Obama did NOTHING. He did not stand up and be counted.

My God are you guys this dang stupid to really think that he isn't full of it?
No experience, no credentials, no evidence of good character. Do you really think this is who you need to become our President?

So lets just leave it alone. Drink your Obama flavored Kool-Aid, and feel that tingle run up the back of your spine. . .

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Submitted by JeffC on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 5:48pm.

Your despair has not been in vain. The liberal media bias had been successful in pulling the wool over my eyes! I had been fooled by the fact that he has been doubling and tripling turnout in the primaries into thinking he was a viable candidate. In my defense though, I was not alone. When he beat Hillary in Virginia by a victory margin that was larger than McCain’s whole vote total I (along with those Virginians) thought he was a man with a message of substance. Now, 14 million votes later, I have seen the light. Fortunately for me, you and the swiftboaters are out there defending America thereby saving us from the combined wisdom of both political parties. Soon I am sure you will actually find a shred of evidence that he is a racist, evil man of no character. And if not, I’m sure you’ll just make it up like you did last time. We are forever in your debt.

But now I find myself in a true conundrum. Having seen Obama for the person he really is, I was ready to denounce the infidel and jump onto your ship. But I just really, really cannot bring myself to throw in with the ultra-liberal McCain/Kennedy/Feingold crowd.

After the kool aid wore off, the light turned out to be the bright beacon of HOPE through CHANGE from my guy after all.

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Submitted by wulfman on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 6:02pm.

What’s the latest insider news on the super delegates?

Still think the majority going to B slap Hillary before the convention?

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Submitted by JeffC on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 6:17pm.

There is going to be a steady stream of endorsements for Obama through the primaries one at a time to keep it in the news then a mass endorsement of 40-50 in June which will settle it before the convention.

Notice how accommodating Obama has become in the past few days with his "let Hillary run" stance. He knows he has it. They are negotiating a final settlement of the Florida/Michigan delegates. Looks like Hillary gets hers as voted, Obama gets the undecided and the supers go toward Obama to even it out to a mostly draw with Hillary getting a slight edge that does not affect the outcome. They won't finalize an agreement until after Indiana.

Don't listen to the "credentials committee is going to decide" talk. Look at the rules; Obama gets to appoint a majority.

And I only talk occasionally to some Obama people. The Clintonistas may think differently but it seems right.

Submitted by thebeaver on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 2:37pm.

Trinity United is a RACIST, HATE-FILLED "CHURCH"
Obama has been a member of this RACIST, HATE-FILLED "CHURCH" and has chosen to associate himself with it's bigot for a "pastor" for 20 years.
By association, Barack is a HATE-FILLED RACIST.

It's very plain and simple. Even a moron like yourself should be able to see it. The fact that he is getting a pass on his association with this HATE-FILLED, RACIST "church" speaks volumes about the lack of morals in the Democrat party. If they had any sense of Wright and wrong, they would dump the racist, loser Obama in a heartbeat.


Barack Obama is the personification of a wolf in sheep's clothing.

The Perverse Worship of a man

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 4:52pm.

There goes Beaver's head!! Who called it?

White members of a black racist church..... hmmmmmm.....

Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by JeffC on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 3:22pm.

Throw him under the bus with all those other people! LOL!

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Submitted by JeffC on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 11:38am.

They're just jumping on Hillary's bandwagon. It was her people that started the Wright controversy and I mentioned at the time that they had mis-timed it. Barack was going to have to go through it and as it works out for him, this turned out to be the perfect time. Richard and his ilk have no interest specifically in this issue. Any issue which they can use to swiftboat Obama will do and they'll find others. The ironic thing is that they were primed to paint Obama as a Moslem when Clinton dropped this in their laps. Wright is not going to lose him anywhere near as many votes as a whisper campaign all through the national campaign portraying him as a secret Moslem would have.

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 4:52pm.

Even if we want to go with the "I didn't hear that sermon card", why has he not condemned the message and the messenger? "Death to White America" is inflammatory no matter who you are.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 2:38pm.

It should be obvious that anyone who cites a rabidly partisan site like "Newsmax" or "WorldNetDaily" or "CNS news" as a source is not interested in the truth.

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Submitted by muddle on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 1:34pm.

Didn't they record "He's So Fine?"

Anyway, great band name.

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Submitted by JeffC on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 2:50pm.

I think they opened for the Right Wing Conspirators at the Isles of Mann concert last year.

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Submitted by BPR on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 4:14pm.

I think you know Sniffles, and Main- anyway and a few others.

Everyone knows his character so if he wins- we will have to see the wonderful 4 years of great change. Puzzled What is it suppose to be? Shocked
Oh, the health care for everyone- I am still wating for him to tell us how he is going to do it.

In the eye of the beholder of my friends- no they do not think he is
so fine. Ha.

We Will Stand

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Submitted by BPR on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 12:53pm.

That is your opinion. My opinion is different, so we disagree.

What is it can't take the truth?

Have a good day.

We Will Stand

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Submitted by mapleleaf on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 7:57am.

Haven't you ever dozed through a sermon?

If you hear a public speaker say something stupid, or with which you disagree, are you supposed to stand up and loudly state your opposition?

What if you read a blog item you disagree with? Do you have to react to every one?

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Submitted by walker3 on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 2:29pm.

Yes, I have heard people misspeak. I have never heard the crowd/congregation jump to their feet, go crazy in agreement and then the church make a promotional DVD of the mistake.

Was the church's DVD supposed to be of sermon bloopers?

Give me a break. Obama tried to peddle this excuse on "The View" last week. His latest version STILL doesn't pass the smell test. Why doesn't he just admit that he saw nothing wrong with the sermons because he is part of the liberal, blame/hate America first crowd.

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