I have done my research on Mr. Dave Simmons & Tom1939

First of all, Mr. Simmons was aware that his candidacy for sheriff would elicit a strong response from the “Good ol' Boys.” It’s unfortunate that people have to start negative innuendos or alluding to negative tactics while hiding behind the internet such as, for example, comments from Tom1939. Since Mr. Simmons was an executive in the Detroit Police Department, I would imagine that there were a few disgruntle employees that would like get back at him. It’s a shame that you (Tom1939) are using the internet to attempt anonymously to assassinate Simmons' fine record of achievements and I ask every blogger and reader to question your true motive.

Today, Detroit Free Press Reporter Joe Swickard (313) 222-8769 was contacted and he stated that Simmons' name had never been mentioned in any wrong doing in the department to anyone that has contacted him. Mr. Swickard was informed that some Bloggers were attributing or alluding to him making negative comments about Mr. Simmons career. Mr. Swickard stated that he was contacted about the Detroit Police Department and he did share with them information about a former chief of police William Hart who was indicted by the FBI for misconduct. He stated that he informed the caller that he and the other reporters had never heard anything negative about Mr. Simmons. He went on to say that Mr. Simmons served and protected the citizens of the city of Detroit for 28 years.

I have viewed the credentials and qualifications on Mr. Simmons website where I invite everyone to view the awards that he has received from numerous Federal agencies, such as the FBI, DEA, US Secret Service, and the Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. I don't think federal agencies give awards to unprofessional members of law enforcement. On his website Simmons list his college and university degrees. If anyone wants to know the truth about Simmons, contact any of the Federal agencies who have given awards to him. Contact the ASIS International to check his CPP credentials. Contact the colleges and universities that he attended and earned degrees.

I have viewed some of the other candidate websites and find that they appear to have very little qualifications for position of sheriff. There seem to be some folks who don't like the idea of an educated and experienced law enforcement executive being elected here. Perhaps their own limited qualifications are behind their efforts to destroy and diminish Simmons record of achievements. From the information provided thus far, none of the other candidates have achieved any additional education since graduating from high school. Ask why. I can see why they are threatened by Simmons' excellent qualifications. My assumption is that it is hard for the “Good o'l Boy” candidates to compete with Simmons without resorting to attempts to slander his good name. In fact, I have been informed that Sheriff Johnson was so impressed with Simmons that he endorsed his 2004 candidacy for Fayette County Commissioner and encouraged his employees to vote for Simmons. It’s my understanding that Simmons was seen attending Randall's 2004 victory party at the Long Branch in Fayetteville. Also in the 2004 election, the Citizen reports that Simmons received over 43% of the votes cast.

It’s a shame that Simmons' candidacy for sheriff is so threatening to a few people. I have to surmise that the other candidates lack the education, training, and experience that Simmons can bring to the position of sheriff. That may be why there are such negative comments! It’s just easy for people to hide behind the internet and throw anonymous rocks at Simmons when their candidates have nothing in their background that qualifies them to be elected sheriff or that they are listening to a disgruntled current or former Detroit employee with a specific agenda.

I guess we should all remember, desperate and unqualified people will do and say anything. I am sure Mr. Simmons will continue to focus his campaign communicating his vision on how he plans to protect the lives and property of Fayette County citizens.

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Submitted by CI5835 on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 2:09pm.

The professional experience, training, and EDUCATION Mr. Simmons will bring to the Office of the Sheriff tops all three of the other candidates combined. He is a man of such great integrity to the point that he will not respond to certain baseless allegations being made against him. I don't know if this will help him or hurt him in the long run. Very good question smoothassilk, why hasn't any of the other candidates pursued a higher education? Why were two of the three placed in supervisory roles without attaining higher education levels? In most departments many promotions are contingent not just on time in and training completed, but also on education. We want to have a professional department. We want professionals. One of the great identifiers of a profession is higher education and continuing education. This is especially important when you serve an area and public that is more educated and affluent than most. Dave Simmosn for Sheriff!

Submitted by eldergent on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 4:26pm.

Fayette County is not a television show and doesn’t need an elderly retired big city cop to solve our mystery of the week. Our Sheriff’s Department has several capable gentlemen who know the job, the county and most importantly have paid their dues. It would be insulting and demoralizing to pass over all of these deputies and put a carpetbagger in charge. If Mr. Simmons misses his cop job and is as good as stated, surely Detroit will welcome him back.

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 4:55pm.

Read below, feel free to clarify some things.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 12:39pm.

Read below

Submitted by Tom1939 on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 7:58am.

Most retired Detroit police official(s) remain in the metro Detroit area where they can enjoy the bounty from their law enforcement experience in the private sector. People like retired Deputy Chief, James Younger or retired Detroit police personnel director, Norde James III, are still in metro Detroit.

How did Simmons' boss and good friend, Chief McKinnon, get caught in the police promotional test cheating scandel? Was it his tendency of awarding too many "charter promotions" to his department female friends and others that was exposed in a Detroit News article? In the Detroit city charter it empowers the Police Chief with the authority to issue "Charter Promotions" where the Chief can, on the spot without passing a promotional test, promote someone for their unique skills in need on the police department. Chief McKinnon in a short period issued more charter promotions than the disgraced Chief Hart did during a similar period of time. McKinnon issues these promotions to friends, females, etc. A Detroit News article exposed this pattern. Restricted by the news article from issuing more charter promotions, Chief McKinnon ordered Detroit police personnel director, Norde James III to give him a copy of an upcoming promotional exam and the exam test answers to review and correction. This was an unusual departure from past practice. No one got that material to ensure test integrity. What Chief McKinnon didn't know was that the test was designed so that if anyone scores above a certain score it was evidence of cheating. Well, several people received nearly perfect scores on the test when in the past they had never performed as well. All of the people who received test scores in the cheating range had a connection to Chief Ike McKinnon ... not Norde James.

When testifying before the federal Grand Jury investigating the cheating scandel, Chief McKinnon rubbed his Catholic rosary beads and sweated bullets when the FBI introduced evidence showing that Chief McKinnon's personal police driver's fingerprints were on the confidential police promotional exam test material no one but Chief McKinnon and Norde James had in their possession? Why were Simmons' good friend and boss, McKinnon's numerous friends and nephew the only ones scoring test scores suggesting evidence of cheating but none of Norde James friends tested in the cheating range? Why did Norde James win a $1 million lawsuit against Chief McKinnon and the department for wrongful discharge? Why did McKinnon fire James for the cheating scandel and sexual misconduct with no evidence? However, why did a Detroit police sergeant have to meet with Chief McKinnon at Mayor Dennis Archer's office to ask McKinnon to leave his wife alone? And why did several female police officers close to Chief McKinnon also have promotion exam test scores in the range suggesting cheating? Why would Simmons start distancing himself from the coat tails of his good friend and boss McKinnon, telling him he's going to retire, believing McKinnon was going to enter the federal jail cell Detroit police Chief Hart had just left? At this news, why did Chief McKinnon, the out of control promoting junkie, promote Simmons to Deputy Chief so he could retire at a higher pension rate?

Why did Compuware, a computer software developer in Detroit announce the hiring of Ike McKinnon as its global head of security ... then reverse his announced hiring days later? What came to the surface about his background that he did not tell Compuware before they hired him? As public officials, Simmons and McKinnon, know these are all part of public records easily located.

Most Detroit police officials, as well as, other retired police officials from many parts of the country, stay in the area of service where they can get the maximum benefit from their professional experience. For example, an Atlanta retired police official would not relocate to Detroit to re-enter the profession especially at an advancing age. It makes no sense. A piece to the puzzle is missing.

Why still want to work in the profession but leave the area where that desire can best be fulfilled? Why did honorable Simmons feel he must "get outta Dodge" in order to feel safe ... not from the criminal ... but to feel safe from the criminal catchers he used to supervise? Simmons was afraid for his dwelling when away from home. Again, not from the criminal but from the criminal catchers he supervised. I'm sure he's comforable living behind a gate ... too used to feeling unsafe from criminal catchers.

These are most odd sets of circumstances, indeed! Suggest many things. What is it about his conduct that might make him have such feelings? All the cops I know, when they are wrong and disciplined for it, they know the discipline was fair. On the other hand, when someone is handled and treated unfairly by a higher-up that person can feel something close to being "raped" which is a crime of power, control and dominance, not sex. "I have rank ... I hit you, I demean you ... you can't strike back ... if you do, I write you up ... I have rank over you." Perhaps he let his darkside slip out too soon when he promised not to take reprisals once in a command and control position of criminal catchers. Why does he seem to enjoy "jamming" anyone he has control over? Old habits starting to resurface. Like Dr. Strangelove. On second thought ... I'd get outta Dodge, too! Makes perfect sense. A puzzle piece ... added.

Why talk about the corruption on the sheriff's department under the current sheriff, then claim the current sheriff, who's department you are calling corrupt, supports you to replace him as sheriff? Wow! It does take two hands to handle a whopper! After having no background in sheriff's policing and with aged and questionable experience! Why all this effort?!?! To get power and control back?!?!

Why push bogus awards for attending in-service training? To cover up holes in professional experience? Why all this effort?!?! To get control over the $14 million Sheriff budget?!?! Simmons has paid special attention to the annual Sheriff department budget figure. After having no experience running any large independent department's budget. Did he lick his lips! See that Fayette county is Republican ... then, become a Republican ... then join the NAACP ... to become all "good" things to all people.

What leader uses language like "reprisals" especially when there is no cause for such talk? Example, there is open competition for a leadership position where you work and you have to vote for the candidate most suited for the leadership position, one candidate says in his meeting with you and the other employees he promises there will be no reprisals. Would that strike you as odd? Would that make you more or less likely to select that candidate as your leader? Would his attitude make for a healthy workplace where people can give 100% focus on doing their job? Does his language suggest he feels entitled to the leadership position and is angry that he has to go through the selection process against a field of unqualified candidates to be selected to lead an unqualified and corrupted department? It is mighty big of him that he will not take reprisals, isn't it? These things make you wonder!

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 6:40pm.

First of all the 1984 award for "inservice training" that every cop receives has fooled a few people here not familiar with law enforcement.

I really don't have any experience with law enforcement myself, except for a friend who is a cop, and being on the wrong side of speeding tickets and the red light cameras in Buckhead. Other than that I have no experience.

I have a few questions for you that maybe you can clear up.

1. Simmons has now stated in a current letter to the editor that he purchased a lot and built a home in Whitewater Creek Subdivision here in Fayette County. He states that he was able to do this while working still in Detroit. The homes in said subdivision start at about 500,large to 1.mill Huh?? I guess I should have been a cop. Did Simmons win the lottery while in Detroit??

How would a cop afford a home in Detroit and a second home in a luxury neighborhood?

He also "alledges" that he "commuted" back and forth to work in Detroit. Wow, a cop who could afford to "commute" back and forth to work across several state lines. Huh,?? Things that just don't add up.

What exactly do you pay your cops?

How do I apply? I need a second home also.

This alone does not pass the "bovine manure" smell test with me.

2. How often did Chief Harts wife take over the Detroit Police jet ( according to the news article dated 5-8-1992 by Joe Swickard) and use it for personal family buisness to fly to California to visit her daughters family??

How much of the drug money seized in drug busts was used for this?

How many of the "top officials" as Simmons "alledges" he was, knew about this illegal activity?

3. Using the same news article dated 5-8-1992

"During the 1980's the city of Detroit was "overrun" with crack cocaine, while "top investigators" were ordered to protect Mayor Coleman Youngs niece Cathy Volsan Curry, for 3 yrs. while she was running around with some of the cities most notorious dope lords including Richard(white boy Rick) Wershe"

What did Simmons know and when did he know it?? How much of this was common knowledge at the Detroit PD??

Most of the people in Fayette may be backwards and naive about crime, however we do have a firm and grounded sense of what is right and wrong.

Crooked cops are WRONG!!!

I think it is very clear that the only reason this goofball wants to be Sheriff is to get his hands on our drug money that is confiscated from criminals. Maybe he needs a new luxury home. Most people see through this. Our current Sheriff is unfailingly honest. We won't tolerate anything less.

If we (plain dumb citizens that we are) suspect that anyone who is elected is embezzling funds we will have the I-Team crawling up his behind so fast they will be trimming his nose hair from the wrong direction.

Thanks in advance for your answers Tom. You are helping to educate us poor backwards hicks.

We have low crime here now. We don't accept crime from criminals and we certainly won't tolerate it from somone who's "current law enforcement" experience consists of x-raying handbags at a state government building. There is nothing impressive about someone with a checkered past who has been retired for 12yrs.

Simmons I beg of you stop throwing cat turds on our heads and then tell us it is hailing outside.

PS: Tom1939, maybe you could make sure that some of Simmons old "friends" know where he is so they could have a reunion and patch up old differences.

Submitted by kikenbutt on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 9:20pm.

Why don't you two, Tom1939 and skyspy, order a background check on D. Simmons for us. Let us know what you find out. If the background check comes out clean, what are you two going to come up next? I find you both trying very, very hard to slander a very reputable man. Why are you so scared? Do you know D. Simmons? Have you spoken with him? Have you asked your questions by contacting his telephone number which is listed? You can you know. Maybe that would put your mind at ease. I find that these rants of yours proving what some are saying about Babb's and Hannah. They have nothing to compare even even with their experience. I personally am ready for a change, and believe D. Simmons is the right man for the job. I can honestly state, their are loads of Fayette residents ready to vote for D. Simmons regardless of what you two put out there.

Submitted by Tom1939 on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 10:23am.

Don't the "loads" of Fayette county residents deserve information on the professional law enforcement background of Dave Simmons? Information that can provide insight into his character? Law enforcement officers and officials are sworn to uphold truth. When all is said and done, law enforcement is in fact a quest for truth, not justice. All investigations are a quest for truth, not justice. Once truth is located true justice can be served. Therefore, a law enforcement officer and a law enforcement executive must respect truth above all else. My only interest in this is that truth be revealed. I don't care who ultimately is elected, however, don't voters have the right to know facts that might guide them to some truth? Nothing you write speaks to the truth of the facts placed in my post.

Police officers and police officials must have character. When an individual applies for a position as a police officer or sheriff a "character" and background check in done. Let an individual with questionable character on any law enforcement department, that individual can do a lot of damage to the public. When an individual runs for political office an examination of his or her character goes with the territory. It is or should be expected. It is an important part of the process.

It has been long established that the Detroit police department for many years was run by a corrupt Democratic Mayor (Coleman A. Young) who appointed and promoted police executives who joined themselves to his system of corruption. This took place during most of the time of Dave Simmons service. The last 4 years of his service was under a new Mayor (Dennis Archer). And Simmons left the department while the Feds were investigating his boss and good friend Chief Ike McKinnon, Simmons' was his Chief of Staff.

As a high ranking police executive his professional resume never reveals any awards for excellent performance and / or leadership as an investigator at places like homicide or major crimes. His resumes shows he was a Deputy Chief but he leaves off what major division of the Detroit police department that he was the head. Was it the Head of the entire Western (patrol) Operations of the department on the west side of the city of Detroit? Or, the Head of the entire Eastern (patrol) Operations of the department? Or, did he head the Investigative Operations of the entire Detroit police department? These are the functions, duties, the job description of Detroit police department Deputy Chief's. No, he claims the rank of Deputy Chief but his resume reveals he served as the chief of staff in the Chief's office. Functions he did as a Commander because this is the job description of a Commander. Would you know that? Would Simmons tell you that? Would you go into business with someone who withholds important details about his background and business experience? Could or would you trust anything that person says?

This suggest he was promoted to Deputy Chief but didn't leave the Chief's office and continued serving in the Chief's office as chief of staff at his old functions as a Commander. Why? Does this suggest an attempt at deception? Does this suggest something about his truthfulness? Does this suggest something about his character? Deductive reasoning is necessary to see my point.

Notice his awards come from places like the FBI or the DEA for routine training functions given many others. But, there are no awards from the Detroit police for being an excellent homicide investigator or leader of homicide reducing the closure rate of murder cases or major crimes or any specific police skill that is developed over years of hard work. There is a lot of stuff from the FBI or DEA. These organizations he never worked. Why? I'll tell you why ... because his main skill was as a political operative not a serious law enforcement officer. He never stayed anywhere very long. Mayor Young promoted executives for their political services as his political operatives on the Detroit police department as part of his corrupt machine. Most of the time these "overnight political wonders" got in the way of real police officers trying to do real work putting themselves in danger.

In fact, Mayor Coleman Young had police executives from Detroit police headquarters call his niece to warn her other Detroit police, narcs, were coming to raid a crack house she and her husband ran and she should gather up the dope and leave. These police executives did this because they were Young's political operatives on the Detroit police department. That's what they were paid to do. And, they were paid well. (How much are the houses worth in Dave Simmons' community? Corruption been mighty good to him!) This came out because the DEA had a tap on the phone lines of the Mayor's niece and noticed calls to her coming from Detroit police headquarters before drug raids. If Simmons didn't go along with the corruption, why accept the benefits of corruption? To accept the benefits of corruption he was supporting the corruption, helped to create and continued the system of corruption and played a part in keeping it going. Do we want someone like that as our sheriff? If we do, that is perfectly fine. But, don't voters have the right to know who they are voting for to avoid buyers remorse?

Let me provide you with a hypothetical situation. Answer this question for me. Let say you have accepted a series of high ranking Detroit police department promotions from Mayor Coleman A. Young's corrupt political machine. The mayor's office issues you this order, "another political patronage appointee of the mayor, assigned to the narcotics section, will call and let you know if and when they are going to raid a drug house run by the mayor's niece. When that narc contact calls you, you call this phone number and tell the person who answers to immediately leave the house, the narcs are coming and hang up." Now, as part of the system of corruption, you are invested in that system. Your wealth flows from that corrupt system. Your pension and future income is based on staying in that corrupt system. If you say "no" and choose to not make the phone call as ordered by the mayor, Police Chief Hart, another mayor political patronage appointee, will take out your undated but signed letter of resignation and put a date on that resignation letter. In that event, you will be demoted from Inspector, Commander, Deputy Chief, and drop all the way back to the rank of Lieutenant and your life is going to be made very difficult if you stay on the force. What do you do? Do you make the phone call as ordered by the mayor? Or, do you say "no." Do you see the problem of being part of official corruption? If you don't make the call ... someone else will. Why suffer?!?!? Make the call to the mayor's niece and keep your position and status and keep getting the money! In for the penny ... in for the pound!

We don't know if Simmons was the one making those phone calls. And, I'm not suggesting that. But, the one that did make the call made it because of the corrupt system Simmons was a part. That person was certain that someone else WOULD make that phone call and that certainty made it easier to make the phone call. And, it didn't matter if a narc was put in danger during the drug raid.

A short lesson in history. Adolf Eichmann applied the Nuremberg Defense during his Nazi trial. His defense was that he did not actually kill any Jews during WWII. He was merely a small clog in a large wheel. He was just following orders. If he didn't follow the order someone else would have. Why should he be blamed or punished? He was just trying to earn the next promotion. Eichmann didn't quite see that he was part of the system of corruption that made the people who did follow corrupt orders, do as they are commanded to do. They were all part of the system and all responsible for the consequences of the system they were a part.

That is the point Skyspy's been making that only yesterday did I fully understand and comprehend, after all these years! Skyspy's reasonable point is this. Police work is serious business! How can someone join him/herself to this corrupt system, lay down with dog's and not come up with fleas? If this is true don't Fayette county voters have the right to this information to make a determination as to who's character is most worthy of leading our sheriff's department? I like looking at myself in the mirror!

What all this means is that if his strong suit is his professional expertise and he advances the notion that he is more qualified than all of the other law enforcement officers who have current skills and experience, should everyone accept his claims at face value? It is because of his claims of being more qualified that invite the examination of his qualifications. If he doesn't like his claims being examined, he should have used a different rationale for why he is the better candidate for the office of sheriff. Why get mad at the light when all the light desires to do is to replace darkness? Deception hates light because for deception to work it requires darkness. The Truth is a sword. It is an offense and a defense weapon. The lie can never overcome the Truth.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 7:12am.

First of all I have checked out Tom1939's story because it sounded bogus to me. So I did request info.

Simmons was never charged with any crime. Chief Hart is the only "top official" who was charged and sentenced to 10yrs in prison for embezzlment, 3yrs for income tax evasion, and 3yrs federal supervision upon release. This info came from Detroit Free Press report dated 8-28-1992.

In the same report dated 8-28-1992 a U.S. District Court Judge Paul Gadola gave a 90min. lecture to the "top officials" of Detroit PD: "Various command officers must have known what the chief was doing-they must have know it was wrong, yet no one did anything or said anything". ( before I read this I thought it was possible that Simmons was a whistle blower)

If a U.S. District Court Judge thinks the "top officials" were guilty of looking the other way, why would a poor dumb taxpayer like myself think any different?? That is what Tom1939 is questioning is the character of someone who would look the other way when they see a crime, any crime.

Throughout some of my responses and questions I have posed to Tom1939 I have referenced three reports that I was able to get my hands on: Refer: Mayor Young scandal: report dated 12-5-1997, refer the Chief Hart scandal: 2 reports one dated 5-8-1992, 8-28-1992. Dean Koontz could not have made up what is in those reports.

I don't know any of the candidates in this race. I really don't care who wins as long as the crime here stays low. I'm not going to be easily taken in by what someone writes about themselves on their own website.

This whole thing has served as a wake call to me. We as innocent dumb taxpayers just go along believing that the officials that are supposed to serve and protect us will.

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Submitted by BPR on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 9:48am.

I agree with you, I think there are questions that are not addressed and we need answers about some of the things that you have brought up.

I also have done my own research- in my research like you how come that they all were not charged?

Maybe someone that knows Dave Simmons could ask him to address you questions on here and give us his answers.

There has to be someone reading, or even Mr. Simmons reading that can answer our questions.

I will be looking for his answers.

I am like you, I just want a safe community.

We Will Stand

Submitted by Tom1939 on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 7:12am.

Skyspy, you are a lateral "outside the box" thinker. Wow ... I see what you are getting at. I really don't want to make trouble for anyone. Life's too short. However, what you are suggesting makes sense. You missed your calling, you should look into investigative positions. There is a new profession called forensic accountant.

Skyspy, it has been established that the command structure of the Detroit police department has a long history of corruption. This long history of corruption made it necessary for the US Justice Department to take over and monitor the Detroit police department. To rise in ranks into a Detroit police executive position required character traits like deviousness, deception, enviousness, jealousy, and back-biting. Not good leadership and command practices.

Now put these corrupt exectives in charge of their personnel time books, they will naturally be inclined to use creative bookkeeping with their sick-time and their other time on the books. I bet no executive ever used any of their sick time over their entire 25 or 30 year career. When they retirement they get paid for their un-used sick-time and any other time still on the books. This can be a sum of several hundred thousand dollars. Add to that their "deferred comp" savings over 20 years adding several hundred thousand dollars more. These exectuives can leave the department with not a golden, but a silver parachute. The big money comes from manipulating their sick-time on the books when they retire. Is this illegal? Can this bookkeeping practice be supported by evidence? A forensic accountant is neccessary. But, old personnel time records are there with the US Justice Department controlling the department so old records can't be changed, erased or deleted.

This is the purpose of my coming forward. Many people down here had no way of knowing the professional past of Dave Simmons. Before, all you knew was what he told you and what he wanted you to know. Being part of a system of corruption promotes corrupt character because to thrive in that system he had to be ruthless, deceptive, devious and "corrupt." Simmons has been part of and supported a corrupt "good ole boy" system and thrived in it. It is what he knows. His life and career is founded on corruption. It has been good to him. He has probably done nothing explicitly illegal because he has not had to, the corrupt "good ole boy system" controlled the system and looted the system for what it was worth. And, corruption is implicit in all of their activites and practices.

My caution is that, it is more likely than not that, since this is what he knows, any system he creates or controls will have corrupt elements in it. It will not be illegal but it will be devious, deceptive, envious, and have elements of corrupt machine politics in the awarding of contracts attached to political campaign contributions. And, family, friends and associates will set up businesses who have connections to Simmons so when he leaves office a percentage of the sheriffs budget will have been transferred into the pockets of his private circle of friends. And his campaign slush fund will also be his to keep as personal income. He will enter office a hundred thousand-aire and could leave office a millionaire. And, do this legally and under the radar. Trust me, many people who know and are close to Simmons are licking their lips hoping he can get in office to set up the Simmons "good-ole boy system." Plus, putting Simmons in charge would be like putting Barney Fife in charge. Could you trust the word of Barney Fife? Could you trust the integrity of Barney Fife? Would Barney Fife be a fair leader? Would you accept discipline from Barney Fife?

Submitted by smoothassilk on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 11:06am.

As promised I have been researching both Mr. Simmons and the current FCSD establishment. I have found no implications of miss-conduct concerning the incidents reported by Tom1939 and Sky to be anything but continuing ludicrous innuendo’s and negative spins trying to tie Mr. Simmons into a very bad situation. As stated by one resource, Mr. Simmons was not in any fashion involved, reprimanded, fired and was actually already retired when most of these things happened. To me, the past Detroit situation has all been negated and no longer an issue to Fayette County residents concerning this election. And by the way again I say the FBI doesn’t give away awards to criminals. Check that out!

However, the more I dig in my research, the more I really believe that Simmons is the right man for the job. One comment that was a concern was his CPP qualifications. I understand now why this is a benefit to have in the FCSD. One of my sources advised me to check out the FCSD who purchased thousands of dollars of computers and other electronic equipment and did not retain the serial numbers of the equipment. How else can the department keep track and account for its equipment but by serial numbers? This investigation was actually reported in The Citizen.

The Investigative Accounting Group LLC dated Nov 18, 2005 states under Computers, Televisions and Equipment pg 5 “Because neither of the inventory listings was compiled from purchase documents, the inventory was not an effective control to verify that all assets purchased are physically in the possession of the Sheriff’s Department employees or being used for law enforcement purposes. During the past two years, the Sheriff’s Department purchased over $190,000 of computers, televisions and other equipment and it is possible that some of these items have been lost or misappropriated.” They go on to report that the information on the receipts for purchases of computers, TV’s etc. is insufficient to trace the asset purchase to the Sheriff’s Department inventory listing. The Department failed to include in its inventory the vendor, date of purchase or serial numbers. They had also purchased 2 golf carts and were unable to locate them. And the report goes on about 20 Glocks not being accounted for but the next day they evidently showed up! The report goes on about acquired Sheriff’s Department vehicles were targeted for replacement even though those targeted were recently acquired and had low mileage and this had to occur because of an issue about payment of insurance for these vehicles. The firm also attempted to reconcile expense reimbursement forms which showed no documentation of checks issued from the Federal Seizure accounts with the Drug Fund reimbursements paid.

And you continue to blast a CPP certification which will certainly better secure its equipment? Usually where there is smoke there is fire! Tom1939 and Sky really have alerted me to this fire by your continuation of wrong, negative character accusations. What intrigued me about you both is that you both are so adamantly against Dave Simmons as the next FC Sheriff. So my research took me into the FCSD fire! I personally thank-you both for that, as I am now convinced that Dave Simmons is the right person and have concluded that you both must be scared of having an “outsider” come into this Sheriff’s Department and truly may have to clean it up.

Submitted by Tom1939 on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 4:24pm.

On several occassions the Simmons campaign has suggested possible corruption in the current sheriff's office. Since removing corruption is a main leg in his platform, is it appropriate to examine possible evident of corruption while Simmons' served in an official capacity in Detroit? You don't name anyone in particular in the current sheriff's office, your cast the wide net of "corruption in the sheriff's office" and attempt to damage everyone's good name with that charge.

Doesn't this "corruption" charge make it fair play to examine Simmons for possible evidence of official corruption involving everyone associated with the Mayor Coleman Young Adminstration while in Detroit? Since Simmons has no professional history here we are forced to examine where he does have a professional law enforcement history. If his law enforcement history in Detroit has no relevance today ... then why do you believe his "awards" received in Detroit have relevance ... today? In for the penny ... in for the pound. He's running for office ... charging honest professionals with corruption ... shouldn't his professional history examined by the same standard? He's aking for voters to put him in office ... anything in his official history is fair game and should be on the table. Don't you agree?

Also, your post implicitly, and explicitly, accepts that the Detroit police department, while Simmons' served there, was a seriously corrupted police department. Here are your words:

"trying to tie Mr. Simmons into a very bad situation. As stated by one resource, Mr. Simmons was not in any fashion involved, reprimanded, fired and was actually already retired when most of these things happened..."

Your words seem to accept and Simmons' confirms, there was a "very bad situation" on the Detroit police department. What did Dave Simmons do to attack this very bad situation, this very corrupt set of circumstnaces, while he was there? Was Simmons one of the FBI informants against Chief Hart, the police chief under Coleman Young, who was the police chief most of Simmons years on the force? Was Simmons an FBI informant against Chief Ike McKinnon, the police chief under the next mayor Dennis Archer, who Simmons served as his chief of staff? Simmons testified before a federal Grand Jury investigating his boss. What did Simmons tell the Grand Jury behind closed doors about the very bad situation he knew was on the Detroit police department? And, possibly witnessed while serving as Chief Ike McKinnon's right hand man? My sources tell me that Simmons asked Ike McKinnon why would he throw his career and good name away to do what he was doing that resulted in the Grand Jury investigations? This seems to indicate knowledge of something doesn't it? Why would Simmons allow Ike McKinnon to throw Norde James under the bus and fire him for official mis-conduct, to cover-up McKinnon's official misconduct? This lie damaged James' good name and exposed him to the official corruption charge for which McKinnon ended up being investigated.

This passage is from the May 26, 1999 issue of the Detroit News written by reporters: George Hunter and Wayne Woolley, The Detroit News:

"...Police Chief Benny Napoleon said the charges were filed as part of an ongoing investigation by the department's internal affairs section.

A 1997 lawsuit filed by the department's former personnel director, Norde James , alleges that as many as a half-dozen officers close to former Chief Isaiah McKinnon and other top executives posted suspiciously high scores on the exam..."

Who were those other top executives? Simmons quickly left the department and his friend Chief Ike McKinnon in 1996. Coming down here in 1997 or 1998.

If Simmons advances the notion he is tough on corruption, isn't it reasonable to ask him when he was tough on corruption when he was in the very bad situation? Especially when Simmons campaigns that he is the right man to clean up the sheriff's office?

In view of all, which you and Simmons accept as factual, there was a very bad situation of the Detroit police department, will you try to defend your below statement:

To me, the past Detroit situation has all been negated and no longer an issue to Fayette County residents concerning this election.

Is this a valid opinion a concerned voter should hold?

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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 4:37pm.

I'm still in fact gathering mode trying to sort out the candidates, but having heard Mr. Simmons speak and having asked some very pointed questions to him, I'd like your take on the following.

Is there any actual spot on his record?

As to the "corruption" charge, he's not said that word. I personally will say that if you just read the audit report on the Sheriff's department you will find that the controls on weapons inventory, equipment by serial number, the ability to find where "retired" weapons are, the number of cell phones used by whom, etc. etc. are NON-existent.

Don't take me wrong. I've voted for Randall every time and we have much to thank him for, but a 15 million dollar department should not be operating with this level of slip-shod management and record keeping.

If you want to see this audit report, I'll try to find the link for you.

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Submitted by Tom1939 on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 5:14pm.

Who had the power to override the mayor and put a spot on Simmons' record? In the Coleman Young political patronage machine there was no one to put a spot on his record because he was under the protection and control of the Mayor. This made him and several other police executives "untouchable." The proof of the pudding is in the eating. While Simmons served on the department, the organization declined to the point the next appointed Police Chief had to invite the US Justice Department to come in and oversee the department after Ike McKinnon and Simmons, his right hand man, left the department. The decline of the department started under Mayor Young and Chief Hart. That decline continued after Mayor Young, due to old age, left office. The new Mayor Dennis Archer appointed Ike McKinnon who then promoted Simmons from Inspector to Commander and his chief of staff. A couple of years later Simmons was promoted to Deputy Chief, stayed in Chief McKinnon's office as chief of staff, then he left in 1996.

By the time, first, Simmons and then, McKinnon were off the department the next Chief started an Internal Affairs investigation, and asked the Justice Department for help in fixing the department.

The situation in Detroit was and continues to be far more serious than questions of record keeping. And, the issues on the Detroit police department are established fact. By pointing out an alleged "the good ole boy system" and poor record keeping is a way to infer mis-management up to possible corruption. Let's be honest. However, the issue really depends on the character of the people involved. The character of Sheriff Johnson and his people who surround him. Do you think it is poor record keeping or something deeper? And, the character of Simmons and the people he chose to associate himself does this suggest a pattern of poor management skills or something deeper?

Doesn't his long professional associations on the Detroit police and the way he rose through the ranks provide an insight into his character and how he might perform as sheriff? Are discussing and looking into these issues important and worthwhile before an election? How else can you judge this possible character issue? I cannot answer your questions for you. Do you, in your gut, feel the record keeping issue is the tip of an iceberg ... or just poor record keeping that has to be improved? But, to talk about missing records infers something. It is like me telling several other people about seeing briuses on a man's wife then say I never suggested he beat his wife. What was I getting at? You can't have it both ways.

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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 6:19pm.

To clarify what I said about our local department, I think it's poor oversight and sloppy record keeping vs. any dishonest behavior.

You raise some good points. I'll search back through your comments and re-read.

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Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 12:09pm.

"he was already retired when these incidents occured"

You need to let Dave know your story so he can change his web site to fit your story. Right now the news reports are dated 1992, or at least 2 of them are. That means his web site should read retired in 1991.

You still need to read more carefully. No one says he was charged with anything. According to the report dated 8-28-1992 all of the "top officials" close to Chief Hart were scolded by a judge for looking the other way.

Oh, the tangled webs we weave when we plot to deceive.

Submitted by smoothassilk on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 3:05pm.

You really need to read more carefully. Again with the negative innuendo’s, I wrote “As stated by one resource, Mr. Simmons was not in any fashion involved, reprimanded, fired and was actually already retired when most of these things happened.” Key word “most.” The comment from you reminds of Bill Clinton’s “explain the word is.” Dawg fits in here to.

Concerning again, negative spin, for everyone to read, here is what it states on Simmons website about Citations and Awards.

Citations/Awards: Federal Bureau of Investigation, Drug Enforcement Administration, United States Secret Service Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms, 35 additional Citations and Awards Including;
• Citations for bravery
• Wounded officer award
• Departmental Citation
• Departmental Medal of Valor

Looks like there are 35 more not listed. Did you read that? Also, went again to Wayne Hannah’s site, not impressed. Hannah is still just a traffic cop with some awards attached. Barry Babb’s website apparently is not up and running yet. I am anxious to see that one.

Dawg, your comment “why don't you go pull audits of the Detroit Police Department from his days of service and see how much equipment they lost.” I don’t need to; I am only interested in finding out what’s happening in the FCSD since we have two running for Sheriff out of this department.

I really find Tom1939, Sky and Dawg comments about Dave Simmons to be so nasty, I feel like I need a shower sometimes after reading them. I ask again, why are you so scared about Dave Simmons? Are you worried about your future, your cousin’s future, your brother’s future, or your sister’s future in the FCSD? I wonder! I understand it’s been really cushy for most for a very long time and that’s why some of you may be afraid. Oh, by the way, Hannah has a letter to his peeps on his website; you ought to read that one.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 8:19pm.

Eats like a duck, swims like a duck....it might be a duck.

The fact that you are so venomous, and defensive tells me I'm on the right track.


Submitted by drewpdawg on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 7:50pm.

Smooth, this is not a mud-slinging competition. I do hate it though when people can't back up facts. That is what you are doing. You want to "blow someone else's candle out to make yours burn brighter."

If you were doing true research you would know there are 3 candidates currently who work for the FCSO running for Sheriff, not two. Again, go back and look at all of those listed "awards" and see if you find one, just one, from the FBI that has anything mentioned on it about being an award. You find it and I promise you have found the golden egg!

Also, if you had any knowledge whatsoever about law enforcement, you would know that many of those "recognitions" Mr. Simmons lists that you refer to as awards are nothing like you make them out to be.

Why is it that you are currently only worried about what goes on in the FCSO because of the candidates who currently work there? Why doesn't Mr. Simmons past with the Detroit PD concern you? You want us to believe he gained a wealth of knowledge and experience in how to properly run a law enforcement agency, yet when someone like Tom1939, with first-hand knowledge and facts presents them, you want to look the other direction. Find me one article that mentions the names Barry Babb, Thomas Mindar, or Wayne Hannah and even the mention of the word corruption in any news story! Find me current members of the FCSO who come forward and mention the word corrupt alongside any of these three candidates names. Sure there are those who claim Fayette has a "good-old-boy" system. (We see that mentioned and obviously proven to be true of your candidate Simmons in Detroit.) Sure there are those who probably don't like any of these three candidates. But, like I said, show me the articles where anyone has mentioned them being crooked or corrupt!

Lastly, before you go claiming that anything I have said makes you feel "nasty" you should re-read my comments. I wish you would point out any "nasty" comments I have made regarding Mr. Simmons. All I have questioned were his credentials. You are obviously mistaken.

I am afraid, yes, of the wrong person being put in charge of a department and running it directly into the ground. Need I point you to Clayton County!! I am afraid for loved ones who live, work, and travel throughout Fayette County on a daily basis. Therefore, I want to make sure that their future is safe with a proven professional who can do the job right! In my opinion, that is not your candidate.

Submitted by drewpdawg on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 11:36am.

Smooth, you still have no clue and even after you claim you did some research. True research reveals more than just political gossip. You are doing nothing more than what you claim the others are participating in. Smooth, if you would have done true research on let's say the FBI awards which "aren't given to criminals" you would notice that there is not one award even Mr. Simmons claims to hold from the FBI! He lists on his website that he received two RECOGNITIONS from the FBI UPON HIS RETIREMENT. Go back to his website and click on the pictures to read the plaques he received. Clearly, you will read that these were given "in recognition of your years of service" and "on behalf of your friends, etc, etc." You will never see the word AWARD on any of them!

A CPP certification also has absolutely nothing to do with keeping records of what inventory a department has. If it does and if Mr. Simmons is such an expert at keeping track of equipment, etc. why don't you go pull audits of the Detroit Police Department from his days of service and see how much equipment they lost. What about the drug money that went missing from that department that Tom1939 and Sky have mentioned? I am sure they also lost quite a few departmental owned weapons and other equipment. I wonder how many of those weapons and equipment turned right around and wound up in the hands of a couple of Detroit's finest citizens, too!

If you want to claim you did research come back to the table next time with a little bit better information than this, please!

Submitted by kikenbutt on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 9:01pm.

I have read some of your comments and you sound like you are very disturbed and perhaps a disgruntled ex-Detroit Cop. Were you involved in any of these crimes that you mention? You claim to know so much about this situation, why? And yet, D. Simmons, as far as I can read from your ranting, has never been removed from office. Detroit is riddled with crime, they have their own problems, perhaps Simmons tried to change things but couldn’t. You are way off base with what I believe is slanderous talk. D. Simmons is a very reputable, honest law abiding Fayette County resident who is very much respected here. He has 28 years of law enforcement experience along with additional education. I believe his current letter to the Editor explains why he would like to serve as Sheriff in this community. Believe me, there are more people who will vote for him than you realize, even with your ranting and raving. Stay in Detroit where you seem to be comfortable and leave us alone!

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Submitted by The Crime Dog on Thu, 04/10/2008 - 12:52am.

I've met Dave Simmons and he seems genuine and friendly. He even has some new ideas that could be helpful to the S.O.

However his involvement in any corruption while in Detroit is a non-starter for me. *** It's guilt by association, as he had to have kept his mouth SHUT for some of that to go on as rampantly as Tom 1939 indicates.***

Further investigation is in order reference any "silver parachute" Simmons might have received. Others' suspicions of how he could afford a house in Whitewater can be easily explained. The security racket is a lucrative racket.

Makes one wonder why BJ hasn't started his own private security company and still wants to be a real cop. Maybe he does have integrity after all (we know he has the cojones!).

Whoops, did I just mention an old name who might still throw his hat in the ring? I hate spoiling surprises...... Actually I'd be shocked but then again you never know.

I don't think Simmons is the only one in this race who will have skeletons pop up out of their closet. Only time will tell though.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 7:42am.

Tom, I'm not a cop. Although I do hate crime and criminals, and that alone makes me more qualified than this bozo Simmons. As I have said the closest I have come to tangling with law enforcement is being on the wrong side of speeding tickets and the red light cameras in Buckhead.

Here is my take on all of this:

I think the "top officials" at Detroit PD under Chiefs Hart and McKinnon should have all been charged with: dereliction of duty, conduct unbecoming an officer, violation of oath of office, and criminal neglegence, willful misconduct. How am I doing? What charges did I leave out? That U.S. District Court Judge was right on target with his 90min. lecture.

They stole millions of dollars that was taxpayer money they did nothing to stop crime and in fact endangered the undercover drug officers who couldn't do their job because of the drug money being embezzled. They protected the niece of Mayor Young who was running around with a "known drug lord"(Swickards words news report 5-8-1992) A drug lord who was screwing up kids and causing a lot of crime in a city that they were sworn to "protect and serve".

This guy has I-Team written all over him. As I have said we poor dumb hicks in Fayette may be naive about big city crime. However, we were taught right from wrong. Crooked cops are WRONG, and in my book they are worse than criminals!!!

We don't have anywhere near the problems of your city. We had our first little "gang" incident of a couple of boys fighting in a school bathroom late last year. That was it. Not so surprisingly your buddy Simmons and the n-double a- cp were the first ones to jump up and down and cry about "high crime" oh, the boogy man "high crime" is coming. He tried to explain how we need his help,.....he was the only one with the "experience" to help us.

Our current Sheriff has used all the confiscated drug money to keep upgrading the equipment at the SO. Our helicopter, and the mobil SWAT command center are just some of the many great things they have done with drug money that is taken from criminals.

As a little FYI none of our top brass at the Sheriffs Office has a second luxury home they "commute to". They all seem to make a "go of it" on their current salaries. No need to embezzle.

Thanks again Tom, really you should let some of Simmons old "buddies" know where he is. I bet they would all like to catch up and talk about the good old days.

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Submitted by BPR on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 10:37am.

Sky has proven a point- with Crooked Cops. Thanks for letting us know Sky- good job.

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Submitted by eldergent on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 7:42pm.

Why would experience gained in a crime ridden northern city work any better here? Do we really need carpetbaggers to show us how things should be done.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 8:32pm.

According to Tom1939, (who has admitted previously that he is a Detroit cop) McKinnon "promoted" Simmons to "Deputy Chief" right before he retired so that Simmons could bilk the Detroit taxpayers with a higher pension for a job he never served one day at.

Also even if his "credentials" weren't questionable and unverified at best, his ideas don't work. Detroit has always been completely riddled with crime. They recently have had the "distinction" of being labled the "least desirable place to live" by Forbes. com. They were given this label because of crime that is off the charts. So whatever ideas this joker brought here from the late 80's and 90's, it doesn't work. Why would a place like Fayette County with low crime need this kind of "advice" or help??

The fact that he has been retired for over 12yrs. isn't a good fit for someone we need as Sheriff. His followers claim that the fact that he has been x-raying purses at a state gov. building downtown means he has "current" law enforcement experience.

This guy has I-Team written all over him.

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Submitted by BPR on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 8:44am.

Do you both think it would be good to have a meeting and ask Mr. Simmons some questions that we have?

There are some questions- I think Mr. Simmons should answer for us.

If Mr. Simmons does not like what is being said he should come to his defense.

I would like questions answered.

We Will Stand

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Tue, 04/08/2008 - 8:57pm.

It's not like this place in representative of most Fayette voters. Why would he bother? If I didn't live in Fayette, I'd guess by reading all I see here that Westmoreland lost his last re-election, Brown won re-election and then won Lakly's vacated seat, half the people in Fayette were Democrats, etc.

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 11:09pm.

Sorry that this some how posted in the wrong place.

That's interesting. He couldn't be as successful if citizens didn't support him. In this legal climate, I'd guess that there are a lot of lawsuits brought. So much sympathy for the criminal and too little for the victim. I thought that Nutraloaf is a good idea. Laughing out loud

Keep checking into Simmons & the others.

What do you think about getting MARTA down here (the crime angle)? I've heard how vigorously it was fought years ago to keep it out of some counties. Do you know if NYC subways are better than they were?

"Cops Go After Perv ‘Gropers’ on T"

[Boston] Transit cops have deployed an undercover “grope patrol” using a female decoy to pinch subway-stalking predators as part of a groundbreaking new campaign to get women to report sexual assaults on the T.

“This is an underreported crime,” said Transit Police acting Chief Paul S. MacMillan. “Victims are embarrassed to report it. A lot of times they’re not sure it actually happened. They might think it was incidental contact on a train.”

I saw a video on FoxNews.com about this. Criminals everywhere.

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 5:14am.

He deports illegals as fast as his deputies catch them. Of course that brings the inevitable lawsuits from bedwetters who feel sorry for them. They continue to harass him for his "alleged" abuses. Such as the "nutraloaf" and pink uniform and tents.

Oh the humanity. What is the world coming to when we punish criminals? I like Sheriff Joes famous line "If you don't like the accomodations DON'T COME BACK!!" It seems like it would be so simple, if you don't like jail stop committing crime.

I'll respond to you about the other topic in e-mail.

Submitted by drewpdawg on Sat, 03/29/2008 - 8:59pm.

Smooth, are you the official spokesperson for Dave Simmons? You seem to be the only one answering these questions on his behalf. Or should I say it seems in his defense. I personally have questions that make me wonder why should anyone vote for him to be the next Sheriff of Fayette County and not because of political motivation or anything "good ole boy" related.

You, too, would probably also want answers to these questions if you had any knowledge or experience in the field of law enforcement. Mr. Simmons claims he moved here either in 1997 or 1998. Either way, why was he only the Chief of Highland Park Public Safety for a matter of one or two years. (Retired from Detroit in 1996 and moved to GA in either 1997 or 1998). That should raise an eyebrow with people because that didn't last long. Mr. Simmons claims that experience and wants us to believe he is qualified to run a department like he did Highland Park. He also doesn't even list how long he was there making us assume he did last a year or two. Putting down on paper to say he worked in Highland Park isn't enough information for me.

Secondly, Mr. Simmons then relocates to GA. Why GA? Did he have family or friends here? Was he relocating for business opportunities? Was he escaping something? Again, we don't know.

Third, years after he relocates to GA you say he attends the Fulton County Police Academy in 2000. Many questions come out of this. Why does he attend Fulton County Police Academy? Is he looking for a law enforcement job? Was he hired by an agency and sent through the academy? Did he put himself through and if so, why? Many in law enforcement know that when someone retires from that field, they don't usually return. Especially at his age and in retirement, the reasons for him even considering a return must have been for a position of great importance. Yet, he doesn't mention having ever served one day in law enforcement since he left Michigan. In the year 2000, Mr. Simmons wouldn't certainly be thinking, "You know I think I will run for Fayette County Sheriff in about 8 years, so I better go put myself through the police academy now." Also, if Mr. Simmons is such a highly qualified candidate with the awards and credentials, why would he need to obtain GA Peace Officer certification if he was only going to run his private security business. You don't need Peace Officer certification for that, especially with his ASIS and CPP certifications!

Mr. Simmons mentions his many awards and FBI training. You see that and think that means he definitely is qualified. Let me ask you, if you had a job that required you to achieve a level of qualifications and training to begin the job, wouldn't you also feel it necessary to continue to "update" that training and not just say experience alone will make up for any training. Mr. Simmons attended the FBI Academy in 1984. Wonderful. But wouldn't you think that even the FBI Academy has changed its criteria and training a bit since then? Back when Mr. Simmons first became a certified Peace Officer in Detroit or even Fulton County, the training was only a matter of weeks. I went through in 1994 and it was 8 weeks for State of GA. Now it is 11 or 12 weeks. Mr. Simmons has been INACTIVE in law enforcement since he moved here in 1997 or 1998. Nothing he has listed on his resume of qualifications shows that he has attended any law enforcement training since he left Michigan. How does this make him the better candidate for Sheriff over even a new rookie in the Fayette County Sheriff's Department who graduates from the police academy and then undergoes 12-16 more weeks of FTO training in the methods of CURRENT law enforcement training? We have at least three current members of the Fayette County Sheriff's Department running for Sheriff who regularly patrol this county. They also attend numerous training classes related to law enforcement each year, yet Mr. Simmons is more qualified than they are because of what he did over 20 years ago??

Let me also tell you that many of those awards you speak highly of do not speak as loudly as you think they do. Many of the things he shows as awards are mere "recognition" plaques that are nothing greater than a mayor awarding a local celebrity a "key to the city" or an employee receiving "perfect attendance recognition." The true awards given out for going "above and beyond" normal duties are usually not bragged about!

The methods and training in law enforcement change daily. Crime is not the same it was 12 years ago. Crime in Fayette County is not the same it was in Detroit now, or back when Mr. Simmons worked there. Understand that to say you are qualified to perform a job means you must have the credentials backed up. Nothing about Mr. Simmons has been backed up except what we see he has written about himself. Until these questions are answered, to me he is not the better candidate for Fayette County Sheriff.

Submitted by smoothassilk on Sat, 03/29/2008 - 9:33pm.

Again, it always comes back for some folks, about Mr. Simmons not being in this field for 12 years regardless of his past career. I do think the awards that are listed and earned speak for themselves along with his continued education and training. I do not find that one candidate that is so highly talked about, that is running against him and has been in the field for 30 or more years with just experience in the Traffic Division impresses me as a true, qualified candidate for SHERIFF. Why would a "traffic cop" be qualified and I might add, with just a high school education and as far as I can see no further training or education?

I am not a spokesperson for Dave Simmons, but I have researched enough and talked enough with people who have enlightened me as to why Simmons is the best candidate. Your questions can be answered by Mr. Simmons by going on his website and emailing him.

I am just trying to be proactive for an upcoming election that is important to me and my family. I do not think we have been or as safe as we can be with the current establishment in place and it is scary to think of what's to come. That's why I have asked questions and try to check out innuendo’s that have been placed on this site.

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Submitted by The Crime Dog on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 12:27pm.

That "traffic cop" you speak of, Wayne Hannah, has done it ALL at the sheriff's dept. That includes running the patrol division, his job previous to being head of traffic (and training, by the way!).

I'd say that's pretty damn qualified.

The other leading candidate from inside the sheriff's dept., Barry Babb, is currently running the patrol division. Also quite qualified.

It's obvious you haven't gotten to know the candidates better by now. I suggest you become better educated on the entire field.

Mr. Simmons would be a great spokesperson for the sheriff's department, but he still doesn't have a grasp on the day-to-day issues of the department.

Submitted by drewpdawg on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 12:33am.

Smooth, I do wish Mr. Simmons would address these questions but in public and not to me personally. I feel that this information is for everyone's benefit and not my own. I do not ask these questions to attack him but to seek out the truth and best candidate.

I would pose this question to you, however. Would you feel comfortable sending your child to school to learn from someone who is just returning to teach kids after being retired for 12 years and has no current training? What about a pilot flying you across country in a plane? Law enforcement, like most professional fields requires current certifications and training.

I don't question Mr. Simmons education and his past training. I just don't see anything as CURRENT. This is law enforcement work, not riding a bicycle. In this field, nothing is ever "routine" despite what the news reports tell you. You can't jump back in and think you know everything without risking serious injury or threat of lawsuit.

I would also encourage you to do more research. A good Sheriff should not be decided on the basis of college degrees and many of the things you are looking at as deciding factors. Randall Johnson himself served as a Revenue Agent for the State of GA and does not (I believe I am right, I could be wrong) have a college degree or previous Community Policing or Crime Prevention training before he became Sheriff. I would say he has done a great job, but he too, had to have yearly training in the current teachings and profession of law enforcement. Yet, you feel that Wayne Hannah wouldn't make a quality candidate because you feel he is only a "traffic cop." I assure you Wayne is not just a "traffic cop" and that Barry Babb is not just a "beat cop." Thomas Mindar can also do more than just hunt down dead-beat dads and wanted fugitives. To limit the scope on these officers based on what you only see jotted down on Mr. Simmons resume is unfair and naive.

Crime is an ugly, yet natural part of society. You must do your part and listen to these men speak on the ways they plan to address crime if elected before making your choice. You should not go on what you see or read alone.

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 7:11pm.



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Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 03/29/2008 - 7:51am.

I still have a few questions for you.

Did Joe Swickard e-mail any of the news reports surrounding Chief Harts indictment for embezzling 2.3, or 2.6 million dollars(depending on which article you read) in drug money?

I told you that Simmons was not named personally in any of the articles Swickard forwarded to me. In the news articles there is a consistant reference to the "top command" and "top officials" of the police dept." They are all named together, the only one singled out by the press was Chief Hart.

If Simmons was in top command or upper managment at Detroit PD as his website alleges, then he and his colleagues are indeed mentioned several times.

I will repeat the quotes from the Aug. 28, 1992 news report that concern me.

U.S. District Court Judge Paul Gadola is quoted several times in this article as written by Joe Swickard:

Judge Gadola lashed out at city officials including the mayor by inference--and the "top command" of the Detroit PD. Judge Gadola is quoted:
"there is a rotten situation at police headquarters under Hart, where top officials became proverbial "old boys network", circling defensivly as federal investigators zeroed in on Cheif Hart for 14yrs."
The next quote that concerns me:
"various command officers must have known what the chief was doing, they must have known it was wrong, yet no one did anything or said anything" (there goes my theory that Simmons may have been the whistle blower)

No one was indicted for the Mayor Young campaign fund scandal, however that does not mean that they were innocent. Police officers were forced to sell tickets for Mayor Youngs fund or be fired. Those tickets were $300. a pop. Joe Swickard admitted to me on the phone that it was well known this was going on and that cops would occasionally have to take money out of savings to buy these tickets themselves if they could not sell them, to avoid being disciplined or fired.

So my question to you as Simmons spoksperson what part did Simmons play in all of this? How innocent is he, what did he know, when did he know it, and what did he do about it?

I think there is a very good reason why Simmons warned you that something bad from his past might come to light. I find it hard to believe that if he was a "top official" with Detroit PD as he claims that he had no invovlement in this. I find it hard to believe him, because even a U.S District Court Judge believes the "top officials" were guilty by association.

I don't remember Sheriff Johnson ever endorsing Simmon, but I could be wrong. I remember Sheriff Johnson campaigning and endorseing Eric Maxwell....

It will be interesting to see who Sheriff Johnson endorses in the Sheriff's race.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I don't like white collar crime of any kind. I feel sorry for whoever wins this election for sheriff. If crime increases at all I think the new sheriff whoever it is will get the blame. Whether it is their fault or not. Our crime is so low here now that even a little increase will be noticed.

Submitted by smoothassilk on Sat, 03/29/2008 - 10:28pm.

From what I understand, Mr. Simmons was already gone when this took place. I can verify and will get back, but I am pretty sure that is correct. I am not a spokesperson for Simmons, I am a person who is very concerned and have been talking to alot of people who are involved in the politics and this upcoming election. I am a very concerned Fayette County resident who has resided here since 1986. I have lived the changes. I am very, very scared. I am very afraid of how fast "Urban" crime has moved into my homeplace. I was advised that their were 8 home invasions up near 314 I believe Thursday night. I have had friends violated, one at the Pavillion and one at Ingels, with stolen idenity. I know all crime is not reported, hince the low crime rate for Fayette.

I will try and get some answers if I can. Again, not a spokesperson, just someone that started reading online and got sickened about the enuindos with no facts.

Good and Safe night!

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Submitted by hutch866 on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 8:19am.

Eight home invasions the other night and not one word about them on TV, radio, or in the papers, I think you should maybe get another adviser.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 10:25pm.

They forgot to say that the bad boys were executed while trying to commit a crime.

The naacp doesn't have the corner market on exaggerating things to scare people.

We the good citizens of Fayette Coutny executed 8 criminals while they were trying to threaten us by breaking into our homes. Sad that none of them survived I would have loved to been on one of those juries.

Fayette County just doesn't seem to be a good place to be a criminal. When you see the NRA sticker on the door or security sign........its a bad sign for a criminal.

Submitted by Joe Friday on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 7:47am.

I am sorry to inform you or happy depending on how you look at it, but you are misinformed. I don't know Mr. Simmons personally so I will not say anything about him good or bad, but 8 home invasions is completely false. Please do not post information to try and scare people into thinking crime is higher than it is. Fayette has seen an increase in crime, and a lot is from people coming into the county commiting the crime and then running back out.

Just The Facts Maam

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 03/29/2008 - 10:57pm.

Chief Hart was charged and sentenced in 1992. I thought Simmons retired in 1996?

I am concerned also. I moved here in late 1992., so I have also seen things change. I want what is best for our county just like you do.

I am just an average citizen trying to make heads or tails of this. I do have one relative in the FBI active and one retired FBI agent in my family. So when I have questions about this or any other crime problem I run it by them. That drewdawg or depdawg is right, most of the "FBI Certificates" are just for recognition, most people in active law enforcement never list that.

I'm not trying to attack Simmons, but I am also trying to make heads or tails of this. That is why I checked out Tom1939's story. I found out that he had posted the wrong number for Joe and I posted the right number to let him know someone was checking out his story.

Tom1939 might be a disgruntled cop from Detroit. The cops in the undercover drug unit were in danger and or their "safehouse" was in danger because the bills never got paid, because the drug money to pay for it was being embezzeled. I would be kind of teed off too.

I started to ask Joe Swickard about the "Mayor Young Campaign fund scandal and Joe finished my sentence or question for me by saying that the undercover narcs were raiding vending machines to find money to make the undercover drug buys. I don't know if he was being facetious or if he was being serious about cops breaking into vending machines for money.....but anyway....

This whole thing concerns me especially the judges comments.

The other thing that concerns me is that when I read the disclaimer at the bottom of the new reports Joe only sent half of the reports.....and my "bullcrap meter" asks why?? I told him I would be willing to pay for all back issues, and that is when he sent me 3 "clipped" reports.....WHY??? There is more here and when I said I would be willing to pay for back issues he started acting real nervous and said he "was real busy with the current mayor's scandal and he had to go".......my bullcrap meter went off again as he was saying it.

Thanks for your time.

I live in Fayette County because it is close to where I work. I will retire soon and if this county goes the way of clayton I will move to the "next best place to live". I tell you this because I really have no ulterior motive for asking these questions ....I don't know any of the current candidates....I will vote for which ever one Sheriff Johnson endorses.

Have good night, thank you for your concern, we are both concerned about the same thing....a safe communtiy.

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Submitted by BPR on Sat, 03/29/2008 - 10:01pm.

Did you ever get back with Skyspy questions for you - I am also interested in your reply. Thanks.

Have a good evening.

We Will Stand

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 4:49am.

Several people have talked with him personally and really like him and his ideas. I'd like to talk with him myself and to hear him answer these questions and charges. Maybe he will have a Q&A somewhere.

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Submitted by smoothassilk on Sat, 03/29/2008 - 10:29pm.

I will work on it.
Thanks and you have a great night!

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Submitted by BPR on Sat, 03/29/2008 - 11:27pm.


Thank you we look forward to your response.

Have a great night.

We Will Stand

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 03/29/2008 - 10:17pm.

Sky Spy did an awesome job in researching this issue and contacting that reporter in order to get her hands on those articles. I'm not sure if Sky posted all that info but he/she/it e-mailed me the info to get a second opinion as to whether Sky's instincts were valid or if she was seeing illusions. After reading over the info I have to credit her and say that her concerns are indeed dead on.

Great job Sky! I've got a hankerin' that your efforts will start a frenzy of investigating by some perty good amateur gum shoes that hang around here. And possibly a few of our professional gum shoe friends that are very concerned about the integrity of their future boss.


The Sissy And The Word Defined

Submitted by USArmybrat on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 8:46pm.

headed by the Watts and Watts Fayette Republican Party. You know, the ones that have given conservatism in this county a bad name. Simmons is as dirty and conniving as they are.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 7:13pm.

By his do as I say not as I do supporters.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 7:31pm.

LOL! Maybe we can chit chat later over yonder.


The Sissy And The Word Defined

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 8:05pm.

That's cool, but I'm trying to talk up a darts game with a couple of the neighbors.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

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Submitted by THE BOSS on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 6:58pm.

Thank you for your research, and honest posting of the facts.

I am sure Mr. Dave Simmons also thanks you.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 6:43pm.

From what I just read, you are doing the same thing you accuse the the other people of doing, using an alias, did I miss your real name on these blogs? I also haven't seen anything by the other candidates about Simmons. I have seen some of the bloggers criticize your candidate but why is that different from what you are doing?

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Submitted by susieq on Fri, 03/28/2008 - 6:52pm.

I think the good ol' boys have done an excellent job, so I will be voting for one of them. They have made no derogatory comments about any of the other candidates.

Submitted by justcurious on Sat, 03/29/2008 - 10:26pm.

Why would the good ole' boys make any derogatory comments about any of the other candidates - because they have been relying on that system for decades - now, after all of these years of that working for them - they're either too arrogant to think they will ever be replaced or they're too ignorant to know how to blog. I mean, when you've got uniforms that are older than the first desktop computers - I highly doubt you use a computer for much more than word processing - if even that!

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 03/29/2008 - 11:18pm.

Computers are acutally a BIG part of fighting crime these days: you wouldn't believe how many criminals brag online.

They also can be used to enhance security images from digital security cameras, and of course the basics storing crime scene photos, matching finger prints, and DNA evidence. They also share info with all law enforcment dept.s via the good old computer. You can also use it to trace calls on a cell phone, e-mails, instant messages, computers have made fighting crime very easy. Especially when they have the laptop computers in every squade car. It is very easy for cops to check all information about a suspect with a computer right at their fingertips.

We enjoy very low crime here because our sheriff's dept. puts the drug money that is forfeited to good use. Updating equipment.

Have a good weekend.

Submitted by justcurious on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 8:47pm.

You are correct in the fact that technology is used by law enforcement in all the ways mentioned and many more. I work with similar types of technology everyday. What I was referring was the sheriff's race and his lack of campaigning efforts. Yes, I know he's been sheriff forever - but we do have many, many new residents that don't know him, except that's he's the sheriff.

I do question your "low crime" comment. The county most of my family lives in has hardly any crime - period. It's not too far from here. The cop report in the paper is full every week, from what Scotty is saying there are gangs on every corner, drugs are everywhere - if this is low crime, then I would not want to live where there's a lot!

Have a good week, SkySpy!

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 10:02pm.

Yes, we do enjoy low crime here. Especially when you compare our county to the counties to our north and east. That is why our undercover drug cops have to keep helping Gwinnett, Dekalb and Fulton Counties do their job. They are overwhelmed with the crime they have. I'm not complaining. I'm glad we can help them. It helps all of metro Atlanta when we stomp out crime.

Pike county to the south of us, has almost no crime. They are lower than we are, which is good. They also have a low density, ie, very few cluster homes or apartments.

Scotty DA is not the one who is saying there are gangs on every corner. He has publically said that he will prosecute any gang activity to the fullest extent of the law.

The naacp is the one who is advertising and in fact promoting gang activity to promote their candidate and their agenda. The first I heard of gang activity was at the naacp's "community meeting". What they forgot is they used the same lines in the late 70's and early 80's to scare the white people out of clayton county. See most of us remember their threats of gang violence, black on black crime. We remember their famous T-shirts of "We took DeKalb your are next clayton" We remember those threats and some of us learned from them.

If you think Fayette County has high crime don't move to Detroit. About a month and a half ago Forbes.com named Detroit the least desirable place to live, and they gave it that designation because of the high crime. If Detroit is the picture of successful law enforcement, I would hate to see the body count of a city that is considered to be a complete and total failure.

Fool us once shame on you, fool us twice shame on us.! We bought the naacps line of "the boogy man, gang violence is here now" "we are going to get you" ummm, that is so 1980's clayton county. But I do have to hand it to them they fooled us once. The crime didn't really move in until white flight took off for Fayette County.

Have a safe Fayette County week. If Fayette County isn't quiet enough for you Pike County has 5to 10 acre lots with great homes and peace and quiet.

As Hack would say Cheers! I think we both want the same thing: a safe community to live in. We have one now let's keep it that way.

PS: Not only are we not going to give up Fayette County, since clayton has 4,000 homes in foreclosure, we are going to take back Clayton County as well. The first thing to go will be your sheriff who not only encourages crime, but has broken some major federal laws himself. Toootles.

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 10:17pm.

I saw this the other day & thought of Sheriff Arpaio & you.

Nutraloaf: Jailbirds' Punishment in the Can
Laughing out loud

"Is it a deterrent against bad behavior, or a way to keep weapons out of the hands of violent inmates?"

Wonder if it tastes better than bologna?

BPR really appreciates your kindness. Smiling


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Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 10:29pm.

I love Sheriff Joe

I think the federal gov. should pay him to train every sheriff in our country.

I have many family members who live in his county. I might retire there depending on how things go here. They love him. Everyone in that county supports him. Everytime a frivolous lawsuit comes along people scramble to be on the jury to support him. I wish we could clone him.

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