I saw an interview with Obama on ABC tonight. Poor guy must be sick and tired of the Rrev. Wright questions. He pointed out that these are mere 30 second or one minutes segments of Wright saying outrageously racist things, but they are played over and over. I think the message that he wants to get across is that the racist rantings were the exception to the rule. Most of the time, Rev. Wright was on some other topic.

But isn't that like saying, "Try the beef stew! It's great! It's almost completely composed of beef, carrots and potatoes. Oh, sure, there's an occasional turd in there, but they are the exception to the rule."

Good analogy! Actually, your average can of beef stew DOES have some extraneous insect parts and beef poop.

That can of beef stew or other product you just opened may look good, and may even be described as 100% pure. But it's not. It's only as pure as it needs to be to be certified safe to eat. Peanut butter, for example, is allowed to have up to two partial rodent hairs or insect parts per large jar, because they are undetectable by you, and almost impossible to remove.

And harmless, of course.(??)

In general, the less processing that has been done to the food you eat, the more bits of insects and other creatures you are likely also ingesting. Vegetables, fruit, peanuts, meat, and similar foods all contain tiny bits of dead insect, or larva, or eggs, or other organic impurities. These are deemed safe to eat because the quantities are so small as to be undetectable, and they are not harmful.

Going back to the original analogy, does it really surprise you that politicians and politically inclined ministers let the occasional turd slip out? I suspect that it was more than occasional, but I also don't think that should disqualify Obama. If Obama had ever said these things, that would be entirely different. (in my opinion)

Muddle, haven't you ever sat there and listened to some white person talk ugly trash about black people, and just politely sat there without calling that person out on what they said? I have. Now, I find "G-D America" just as repugnant as you do, but Obama didn't say it.

If it turns out that Obama has actually come out and supported any of that crap, then it will doom his campaign. But until then, this hoopla is just an attempt to smear him with guilt by association.

Interesting if not appetizing.

Ingesting the placenta: Is it healthy for new moms?

The practice, known as placentophagy, has been a part of traditional Chinese medicine practices for centuries and is advocated by some vegans since “it is the only peice of meat you can eat that you don't have to kill to do so.” It has been described as similar to liver in flavour and texture when cooked.

Because most lower mammals ingest the after-birth of their young, some claim that it has medicinal benefits. “There are even meal like recipes for cooking placentas, including placenta stew, placenta lasagna, power drinks with blended placenta and others. Though some mothers have been reported to eat placenta raw.” I haven’t heard if Tom Cruise actually followed through on his intentions or not.

What about placenta art?
Yes, you can make art out of it. Generally mothers talk about placenta prints. After the birth you take a piece of paper and lay the placenta on it. If it is fresh you can let the blood and amniotic fluid leave the print or others choose to use paints to add color. Now what? Well, hang your framed art or store it for safekeeping.

Probably a San Francisco trend?

Muddle,

Give up the resistance. Shut-up and eat your turds. They will be good for you. Just trust what his fans are saying.

Professor, Sometimes you are just tooooo funny!

Can you imagine the GOP trying to defend the likes of David Duke?

Now I'm off of here for now. Gotta get back to American Idol to hear the latest on Obama.

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You have one message: Keep pushing the Rev Wright story as long as you can. I've said his words were outrageous. Obama has said this ad nauseum. You have ALL BEEN SILENT on John McCain's embrace of Hagee and Parsley. Git Real, YOU IN THE MOST DIVISIVE OF TERMS tried to explain to me that all Muslims are violent and we are "fighting for the secular ones" what ever in the world that means. So, push this story all you want Muddle, Beaver, Skyspy, Git, BPR, Richard. The polls show most voters accept Obama's rebuke of his pastor's inflamatory statement.

Muddle, why would such an academic as yourself not give any weight to Martin Marty and the Clinton's pastor, white men who actually KNOW Wright, actually ATTENDED the church on more than one ocassion, and said the message was one of "hope, hope, hope?" You swallow the "turd" of a 30 second sound bite out of context, paint that as the message of his church and have no problem with John McCain SEEKING out Hagee's endorsement. That is according to Hagee "the catholic church is the great whore" guy. When are you going to blog on McCain embracing the anti Muslim, anti Catholicism guys? Like I've said before, you guys have the chew toys of abortion and Obama's pastor's words to keep yourselves busy. It is a shame that you can't point to the successes of conservatism and encourage US to vote your way to bring more of the proven results; but you can't, can you??

Kevin "Hack" King

And I thought you would enjoy that bit of humorous response to Muddle's creative analogy. I suppose you're losing the ability to spar with the the anger diffusing tool of humor and parody. Shame....

You have one message: Keep pushing the Rev Wright story as long as you can. I've said his words were outrageous. Obama has said this ad nauseum.

Yeah right. And you continue pretending that Obama's presence in and 20 years of acceptance of Wright's Church Of Hate is something to be overlooked and is not even worth of consideration. A fool would dismiss that issue to some sound clip denials by some political power hungry hack that would say or do anything to become the president of the United States. For the record and to make this perfectly clear as to where I stand on this issue. I despise and equate Obama's association with his hate church as equal to that of Hitler attending Nazi rallies or David Duke attending Klan meetings. The hypocrisy from the American Idol crowd is record breaking. As for McCain and his garnishing endorsements from Haggee and Parsley; they pale in comparasion and if you can show me where their statements are the same level of hate as Wright's then I will equally condemn them too. For the record I don't listen to those characters and I never will. So as it stands now, and as nauseating as it is to me, McCain is the lesser of the evils in this regard. And neither is acceptable in my view.

Git Real, YOU IN THE MOST DIVISIVE OF TERMS tried to explain to me that all Muslims are violent and we are "fighting for the secular ones" what ever in the world that means.

Secular Muslims - Much like secular Christians in this country. Those would be Christians that go to church on Easter and celebrate Christmas every year and they may or may not even own a copy of God's word. The same with Muslims. They were born in a country that is often lead by Murderous Islamo-Facists nut cases and by their own admission they call themselves Muslims out of the necessity for survival and ignorance.... unlike this country. These people are often open to hearing new ideas and trying to elevate their peoples out of their cenuturies old repressive tribal Islamo Facist so-called governments. These folks are worthy of our investment and represent a huge percentage of the Muslim population.

Now if you predictably choose to compare what I wrote above and try to twist it to represent this country and our Christian heritage, I ask that you not do so here and open up new blog and we'll go at it there.

Be it known that Obama has made it clear as to his disgust with US Corporations and the business world in general. This in a huge concern of mine and should be for anyone that is an employer or is employed. I suppose that this would be another issue to seperately discuss along with his socialistic plans that will further cripple our economy and my children's future. Man I wish I had time to get into all of this right now. Rich stuff... but my employees and vendors don't appreciate my blogging addictions as much as I do. They're more concerned with the dependence of their lucrative livelihoods. Gotta git to work.

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"You have ALL BEEN SILENT on John McCain's embrace of Hagee and Parsley."

See AF A-10 "Hack" -- Obama's Mentor / McCain.

See also "No Hack" (Wulfman) and "Well Golly Gee Basmati Sniffles" (Git Real). BPR & Richard Hobbs may have commented, too. -- There's a BIG difference between embracing someone as a mentor for 20 years and collecting votes.

"30 second sound bite out of context"

Can't you read the church's website? Can't you read the many columns written about Wright's beliefs? Wright's made MANY "controversial" statements for years, including his praise for Farrakhan, whom he lauded as a man who "truly epitomized greatness."

"Obama's Farrakhan Test"

"Rev Jeremiah Wright Lands Barack Obama in Trouble Again" (3/28/08)

"anti-Israel views propagated by his former pastor" in "articles published by the Rev Jeremiah Wright's church newsletter," including a column by the Hamas leader, Mousa Abu Marzook

Mr Wright, quoted in another church magazine, which referred to Italians as “garlic noses”. [sic]

"Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11"

Obama's Pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Has a History of What Even Obama's Campaign Aides Say Is 'Inflammatory Rhetoric'

a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

"It's still a question of Wright and wrong."

The problem for Obama is that Wright, the spiritual leader he has so long embraced, is a devotee not of King, - who in that same speech warned against "drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred" - but of the poisonous hatemonger Louis Farrakhan, whom the church's magazine honored with a lifetime achievement award. The problem for Obama, who campaigns on a message of racial reconciliation, is that the "mentor" whose church he joined and has generously supported is a disciple not of King but of James Cone, founder of a "black liberation" theology that teaches its adherents to "accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."

Pew Research Center Poll

The only reason Dems are still supporting Obama, who has a "glowing" image that engenders a "positive emotional response," is because

"He makes them feel hopeful, proud. Feelings really drive opinions about Obama."

"even though many voters say they were personally offended by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's comments"

The downside identified by the survey is that the social beliefs and attitudes of a significant percentage of white Democrats are an obstacle for Obama.

"Critics of Obama, among Democrats, more often say that equal rights have been pushed too far, more often disapprove of interracial dating. They think we should fight for our country, right or wrong, and that immigrants represent a threat to the nation," he explains.

"Church Newsletters Fuel Controversy over Obama's Former Pastor"

In a Pew Research Center poll released yesterday [3/27], 35 percent of voters said their opinion of Obama had become less favorable because of Wright's statements,

Only 51% said that Obama had done "an excellent or good job handling the situation."

NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll: 32% [less than 1/3] said Obama had addressed the Wright issue "sufficiently," while 26% said he needed to do more, and 31% either hadn't seen the speech or had no opinion [57%].

"Polls: Dems tied; McCain leads both in 'general election' matchups"

• Rasmussen Reports says its daily tracking poll on the potential November matchups shows Republican Sen. John McCain leading Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton 50%-43% and leading her fellow Democrat Sen. Barack Obama 51%-41%.

"Divided Democrats Could Boost McCain" (3/26/08)

"A Gallup poll showed a staggering 28 percent of Clinton supporters would back Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona in the general election should the former first lady end her own bid.... Among Obama supporters, 19 percent would vote for Mr. McCain should Mrs. Clinton be the nominee."

This election boils down to the choice between an ultra liberal or a moderate liberal. (If conservatives vote for McCain, they will be holding their noses, in an effort to slow down the precipitous slide of this country.) You should be happy.

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Basmati and Hack are just Wright/Liberal apologists. That other example was good--- what if somebody tried to defend David Duke.

The point about Wright is that he is divisive and has been for 30 years. He is exactly the opposite of what Obama SAYS. By making these speeches and sitting in the pew for years, Obama is saying one thing and doing another. Look at many other black pastors-- they stand up for the disadvantaged. But theirs are not BLACK churches--- they are Churches of Christ.

Hack-- look at it this way--- when Agriculture Secretary Earl Butz told an offensive joke 30 years, they tried to defend it the same way "It was just one mistake out of context." It did not work for him and should not work for Wright.

If Obama had even the slighest interest in not being divisive he would have found another church years ago. By sitting in the pew he is saying one thing and doing another.

"Basmati and Hack are just Wright/Liberal apologists."

Beautiful:

1) I have said Wright's words were inexcusable.
2) Barack has said these words were inexcusable
3) People white and black, who have actually ATTENDED the services at Trinity have said the message of the church WAS NOT one of hate.
4) People who ACTUALLY ATTENDED the church are more credible than those who have not attended the church.

I feel it is ridiculous to attempt to tar one man with the words of another man. But, if you attempt this feat, you must, to be consistent, apply an equal test to John McCain. Why? McCain sought out and received the endorsement of Pastor Hagee. Hagee is strongly anti-catholic. He called the Catholic church "The great Whore." John McCain has not rejected or denounced these words. John McCain stood with Jerry Falwell. Jerry Falwell BLAMED AMERICA FOR 9/11. He said our acceptance of gays an liberalism is part of the blame which brought us 9/11. He also blamed Hurricane Katrina on a gay parade planned for New Orleans. This man, at face value, said God had damned us for our acceptance of Gays and liberalism. Wright's message was the same; God damned America for its treatment of blacks. The difference? Barack rejected this message and you GOP operatives continue to make the link. McCain is mute on HIS wackos and you are all mute with him.

This, perhaps, is why polls show the Wright flap isn't hurting Barack much, if at all.

Condi Rice said Barack's talk with America was "needed." She called his concerns "relevant." She said the segregation of the past "has continuing relevance for who we are today." Are we all wacko, liberal apologists? Or have you made the most you can of one man's comments in an attempt to tar another?

Kevin "Hack" King

Are you home?

Does McCain go to hagee's church? I'm asking, because I really don't know. I haven't read much about what hagee stands for but what I have read I don't like.

This has prompted much discussion amongst my friends at work. Some of them have gone to what is now described as a "black church". They said that rev. WRONGS message is one they have heard their whole lives and they were surprised that it was not common knowledge. They also expressed surprise that I and others objected to that message.

Anyway, the message being taught in some churches has really come as a shock to me. I know you go to a regular church, are you surprised by this?

Come on by when you have some free time, make sure you get your honey do list done first, and bring your better half.

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I know you asked if McCain goes to Hagee's church the answer is no.

click for John McCain

I am not sure if everyone knows there are different baptist church, Southern, Missionary, Free Will, American Baptist etc. Some baptist churces differ on different topics. The same goes for Methodist and Presbyterian etc.

I just found this what I have seen does not seem to be a racist church.

click for McCain church website

I will look into it more.

Hope you have a good night.

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I know I am up really late, I usually go to bed around 10. My sister called from N.C. and I just got off the phone.

Now it's time for bed. Have a good night.

Talk later

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You're "Native American"? Which tribe do you belong to?

Sooo..you think I'm a "racist"?

Got any proof to back up your claim or are you just flapping your dentures?

No sniffles5, I don't think you are a racist. I KNOW that you are a "clueless liberal bloggers like jeffc and sniffles(1,2,3,4,5,6......)" that are "Who is keeping racism alive today?" locally.

Someone else might tell you to learn to read but we both know that you got the message just fine. In true "clueless liberal" form you elected to attempt to twist someone else’s words in order to create dialog that advances your own views.

Proof? You offer that every day in these blogs.

In short, you are much much worse than a racist, you are an apologist running a "clueless liberal" agenda that supports racism. As such, I realize your true value to these blogs; you inspire others to break silence simply to negate your nonsense.

Actually he's a race-baiter (to use his term), and vile on top of that.

Read his post "that was 40 years ago!"

He'll soon be describing you as "drooling" or "grubby." You're right about Beaver; he really likes Herman Cain and a lot of other conservative "blacks." But $niffy calls them "grubby." Guess he's jealous of their success.

I agree that Dollar/$niffy is both of those things but I would take a simi-educated guess that $niffy sees his / herself in a positive way as one who provokes thought (and perhaps controversy). Also, I have variously heard $niffy referred to as she and he so for the sake of argument I will henceforth refer to $niffy as "it". I wouldn’t want to offend "it", now would I?

Herman Cain I voted for. Even more importantly, I sent money! I met and like the guy.

I've been called "grubby" before and my spousal (much better half) entity could probably attest to the occasional drooling. BTW, both of us enjoy reading your well researched postings though I don't see how you remain civil at times when dealing with $niffy and some of the other liberal whack jobs in here. Ya just have to keep your sense of humor.

Happy Friday!

Oh, I get it. You disagree with my political stances, therefore you "know" I am a racist.

Gotcha.

besides beav who honestly cannot understand what Obama was saying?

We just don't like it.

It has gotten very interesting to me that in a Presidential race, the ideas of Obama's being attacked are words describing his grandmother (?) and words of his retired pastor. I challenge anyone on these boards to reflect on what has come out of each of our mouths over the last 15 months. Now, is there anything there that could possibly be used against you opportunistically? Do you honestly think Barack Obama doesn't like his grandmother? Do we really think John McCain wants to stay in Iraq 100 years? These "attacks" if one can call them that, on Obama are so paper thin. If the word "typical white woman" or "typical white person" is all McCain's supporters, or should I say, Barack's opponents have to offer in the general election, I don't think you will fair well. The economy, five plus years of Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and an uncertain foreign policy, I believe, will be much, much bigger issues than this.

I have a feeling Barack loves his grandmother, and most people will see the "outrage" over "typical" as political opportunism. We'll see.

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King

It's not so much Obama's words, as much as it is the fact that he chose to identify himself with such a racist, hate-filled "church" for 20 years and won't explain it. He shouldn't be talking about race, he should be talking about his reasons for being a member of the church and for having "Rev." Wright as a friend and mentor.

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Barack Obama is the personification of a wolf in sheep's clothing.

The Perverse Worship of a man

You aren't interested in the facts here, Beaver. I linked you to a white biblical scholar who has attended Trinity many times, Martin Marty. I showed you his quote that he came out with a message of "hope, hope, hope" each time. I have suggested that a sound bite may not acurately reflect a thirty year ministry. I am not sure why a veteran of the Marines would suddenly hate America.

I am not sure why you have not seized on the "God damned New York on 9/11 for our acceptance of gays" from Falwell, or the message of Hagee who endorses McCain. You seem to be a very narrowly focused man. No sweat. We'll see how this pans out.

Kevin "Hack" King

Falwell, that is. Go ask your theological source Stephen Colbert to explain it to you.

Hack,
Maybe Trinity Untied Church had a special service just for white when white folk were in the congregation where Baracks crazy Uncle Jeremiah spoke in civil terms. He probably saved all of the good stuff to get the entire black congregation whipped up into an anti-semtic, anti-American, anti-whitey frenzy.

For cryin out loud, they sell Calypso Louie's sermons at the church, they give him the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award, saying Farrakhan "truly epitomized greatness."

You need some professional help Hack. I'm serious here. You refuse to see how destructive, hateful and racist Trinity United is, and you refuse to acknowledge that Obama's 20+ year membership in this church may have affected his judgement.

The facts are there. You just don't like them, so you stick your pathetic bald head in the sand. Get some help, dude. You need it.

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Barack Obama is the personification of a wolf in sheep's clothing.

The Perverse Worship of a man

Take a look here.

click Obama's Pastor Poor Human Race home. Is this his way of caring for the poor?

Wonder what Obama has to say to this?

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Only 10,340 square feet? America's been rather good to him, wouldn't you say? In Africa (that he's so fond of), he'd be in a hut. He, Obama, Edwards, & Hillary can claim that they're for the poor, but their actions speak much louder than their words. Did you see the article about Obama's charitable donations that were nonexistent until he had his eye on the White House?

Denise,

The God *&%$ed United State of KKK America has been real good to Obama's pastor and mentor wouldn't you say? God has really blessed him wouldn't you say? Us white devils really held these clowns down. Didn't we? Pathetic.......

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I have not read Obama's charitable donations that were nonexistent until he had his eye on the White House. Thanks for the information- I will find it. It seems to be all falling into place.

My problem is Obama's church preaches about poverty which I do believe in helping with poverty- but Mr. Wright builds a house for that amount of money- wow, does he care about poverty? I think it speaks for itself.

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See my post *Skyspy -- Charity* for the links.

“For Obama, Charity Really Began in the U.S. Senate"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0704250022apr25,1,5205040,full.story

Eye-opening Statistics from Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism by Arthur C. Brooks

In Who Really Cares, [Brooks] demonstrates conclusively that conservatives really are compassionate - far more compassionate than their liberal foes. Strong families, church attendance, earned income (as opposed to state-subsidized income), and the belief that individuals, not government, offer the best solution to social ills - all of these factors determine how likely one is to give. Charity matters -- not just to the givers and to the recipients, but to the nation as a whole.

It is crucial to our prosperity, happiness, health, and our ability to govern ourselves as a free people.

"Is Compassionate Conservatism an Oxymoron?"

The conventional wisdom runs like this: Liberals are charitable because they advocate government redistribution of money in the name of social justice; conservatives are uncharitable because they oppose these policies. But note the sleight of hand: Government spending, according to this logic, is a form of charity.

Let us be clear: Government spending is not charity. It is not a voluntary sacrifice by individuals. No matter how beneficial or humane it might be, no matter how necessary it is for providing public services, it is still the obligatory redistribution of tax revenues.

The political stereotypes break down even further when we consider age: “Anyone who is not a socialist before age thirty has no heart, but anyone who is still a socialist after thirty has no head,” goes the old saying.... But young liberals — perhaps the most vocally dissatisfied political constituency in America today — are one of the least generous demographic groups out there.

Surely Jimmy Carter would have been surprised to learn that the selfish Americans he criticized so vociferously were most likely the very people who elected him president. [Weren't a lot of them Southern Baptists?]

This is very discouraging. Wow, just when you think it couldn't get worse.

Many of my friends at work go to what they call "black churches" they said that rev.WRONG's message is one they have heard their whole lives. They can't understand why everyone is surprised or upset. These are people I consider to be good friends. They have been told their whole lives that every problem they have is the white mans fault. I'm still shocked....

I can't believe that this message is so wide spread....

You are up late....I was just about to answer your e-mail. Have a good night.

I don't know if interesting is the word I would use.

I'll explain more in person. I don't want what I have to say to be misunderstood.

I think every human has said things they wish they had not. Having said that some oooopsies are bigger than others. The only reason rev. WRONG retired is because he got caught in my opinion. The downside of his being caught is that he will go underground to spread hate towards white people. Which I don't like.

We will never heal in this country if ministers preach hate based on color. This whole "black church" thing and their teachings about white people has been a very eye opening experience.

At work I have testified for people I thought were discriminated against based on color. I got a lot of flack for it too. Many times I was the only white person saying that what was happening was wrong.

Now I find out I was helping people whose ministers have taught them to hate me because I'm white.

I don't feel guilty for slavery. It was very, very wrong. My family was in Germany. We were not here. I don't think I should bear the brunt of hate because of what some sick wack jobs did here, and they were very SICK WACKJOBS!!

Anyway we are beating this to death. I'm glad you are my friend and neighbor. What a surprise how many of us have made friends because of the citizen blogs. For that I'm grateful. Give a shout out when you get home. I hope you had a great Easter.

talking about: Martin Marty, a American Lutheran religious scholar who has a Ph.D. in Theology and holds emeritus status at the University of Chicago School of Divinity, has attended many sevices at Barack Obama's church. Unlike those who use the internets to collect sound bites to attack Rev. Wright with, this man has actually experienced many services at Trinity, along with other WHITE parishoners. Here are thoughts he expressed to a New York Times reporter March 20,2008:

"The big thing for Wright is hope,” said Martin Marty, one of America’s foremost theologians, who has known the Rev. Wright for 35 years and attended many of his services. “You hear ‘hope, hope, hope.’ Lots of ordinary people are there, and they’re there not to blast the whites. They’re there to get hope.”

Professor Marty said that as a white person, he sticks out in the largely black congregation but is always greeted with warmth and hospitality. “It’s not anti-white,” he said. “I don’t know anybody who’s white who walks out of there not feeling affirmed."

Here is the entire article.

Article on Barack and Race from people who have actually met him and been to his church

What measure is it of a man, when his voice is relegated to telling you only of whom and what to fear, with no message of whom or what to trust, or hope for; never a positive message; just hate; fear; anger; animosity; bitterness; darkness; a sad place to find ones self....day, after day, after day, after day.....

Kevin "Hack" King

Maybe Professor Marty and the other white folk weren't "typical" white people. Maybe they were having an identity crisis and actually think that they are black.

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Barack Obama is a human featherball -- a slick, smiling, substance-free empty suit who excites gullible dimwits by repeating the words “change,” “unity,” and “hope” over and over --

Enlighten us, o Locke, with your great knowlege of the meaning of the words that proceed from Barack's mouth before he sticks his foot in it.