I have to agree with Skyspy- I think the woman or girl was scared and didn't know what to do. Maybe it was a girl and she didn't want anyone to know.

To me it sounds like a miscarriage. I have never had a miscarriage but just like Sky I have friends that have. The pain of loosing a child never goes away.

Plus don't they have hospitals now that if you don't want the baby they will let you deliver it, or if you deliever your baby elsewhere the hospital will take it with no questions asked, I thought that law was passed.

It is my prayer that the woman, girl will find peace with God through this situation- my heart hurts for her- the Dad and relatives- the comfort is the baby is in heaven. Still the loss of it still hurts.

The person does not need our judgement now, they need our love, prayers, and concern and compassion- only God knows what happened - and with that it still breaks His heart- God cares for this person, I choose to do the same.

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skyspy- how do you know this was a miscarriage? It does not give the gestational age of the baby? Anything past 20 weeks is NOT a miscarriage and despite the fact the one had to have had some symptoms that this was going to happen. Why not call 911?

Gagirl - you are very mistaken about one thing - you can have a miscarriage and never have the first cramp. I was 3 months pregnant and I didn't know I was having a miscarriage - until something similar happened to me. I was old and mature enough to know what was going on - but a young girl might not. Let's try not to judge her until we know the facts. She's going through enough without everybody jumping to conclusions.

I just realized that Skyspy and I actually agree on something! Is that really you? It is nice to see we can agree on some issues!

We can agree to disagree on some things. I don't think we are very far apart on most issues, we just disagree on how to solve some problems.

Have good night. This was a sad story.

but you don't know that is wasn't a miscarriage either. So, why assume the worst of someone....?? Whether it was a stillbirth, or a miscarriage, this woman had to have been in shock. Which would explain some of her behavior.

Here is a tip for you and at least 2 other posters on here:......if what you are about to type is something that even the cynical, sarcastic, glass-less-than-half-empty skyspy wouldn't write....IT SHOULDN'T BE WRITTEN!!! I'm the meanest person on here, yet 2 of you have managed to top me. Wow....

Yes, though there is no principled distinction between the baby of this story and those routinely dismembered and suctioned away in abortion clinics, we find that the mother in the Wal-Mart case could potentially face charges, whereas we have people clamoring for a woman's "right" to destroy and dispose of the same order of being in abortion clinics.

Any principle that justifies abortion works equally well in justifying infanticide. If we have qualms about the latter, then consistency demands a rejection of the former.

I can't begin to understand this . . . Unbelievably sad.

What do you want to understand about it? These aborted fetuses are found quite often, especially in places where the poor dumb, ignorant, fermale didn't know what else to do!

You would see much more of it if we had NO abortion clinics, or ways to help a girl with a spontaneous abortion.

Abstinence doesn't seem to be happening!

Anyway the intelligent, and wealthy girls just say, " I lost my baby," what an accident!

I hope we don't foolishly try to use this tragic miscairrage to promote one side or the other of the big "A-------" issue. We don't know what happened. Let's not leap to conclusions or speculate. Now is a perfect time to pray for the mother that would have been, the father who might have been, and the families involved. If you aren't the "praying" type, caring and compasionate thoughts are also appropriate.

Kevin "Hack" King

We disagree on most everything including Obama. (But I must say you were right on this one.)

No one knows the mental and physical pain this lady was going through. I suspect the reason the police found her so quickly was that she did seek medical help at a hospital or doctor. It was assumed by some that she just dropped it in the toilet and went home and acted like nothing happened.
May God help her through this tragic time in her life.

My wife miscarried twice; the physical pain was only the beginning the mental pain was far worse.

Wulf

But you know that will happen.

Banning abortions and teaching abstinence is the way with no other alternatives, obviously isn't the answer. Not any more than the "war on drugs" is the answer.

There's enough birth control in this world to keep anyone from getting in this situation to start. If parents stop hiding things from there kids and start talking to them, we would have less pregnancies, deaths and crimes committed by teenagers (not to say that the mother was a teen). The world is not this perfect little nest that we once thought we had, it's a cruel, dark, mean and sinful world now and it's time to get out the 1800's and come into the 30th century. Kids need more understand, explanations and less shielding and sheltering. You wanted to be a parent, act like one even if your parents hid, shield and sheltered you from everything when you were growing up. This isn't the same world you grew up in, this is a whole new world.

A lot of people seem to be jumping to the conclusion that the girl was 'just a dumb, uneducated teenager who knew nothing about safe sex and wound up pregnant, then decided she didn't want the baby and aborted it in the toilet'. That may not be necessarily true. She could have wound up pregnant through rape for all we know, I mean, if I'd been raped, I'd want the baby aborted. Even if it did wind up happening while I was in the toilet at a Wal-Mart. Sure, I'd feel awful, and I'd cry for the baby, and I'd feel rather embarrassed for the public, but I still wouldn't want to birth it. And before any of you go harping on me about putting the baby up for adoption, tell me: why should I bother going through nine months of pain and suffering just to give the thing away? Call me selfish, call me self-centered and narcissistic and cruel and an unfeeling, uncaring human being if you must, but I wouldn't do it.

I'm not necessarily saying this isn't a sad thing. I'm not disagreeing that a loss of a human life isn't a saddening event, however, I think we should all get our facts straight before we jump to conclusions.

A "fetus", as the politically correct moron who wrote this story called him or her is a baby - a human being. If the person that found the "fetus" recognized him or her as a baby, why can't you?

The person that found the "fetus" saw a baby and rescued him or her. Congratulations to that person because that person acted like a human being and rescued the baby - who is also a human being. If that baby were in fact only a "fetus" should the rescuer have flushed it like the mother obviously tried to do?

Would you do that if you saw the "fetus/baby" in the toilet?

I would not flush, I would rescue - would you?

I will pray. Mostly for sanity and fairness - will you?

You use the word "miscairrage"(sic) and yes, that may indeed be the right word, because when a baby is carried to almost the time of birth and then expelled from the mother's womb, it is indeed a miscarriage.

you are sick mudcat. You need a shrink. What makes you think this was done with malicious intent?

Can you, from the reading of this article on March 17, 2008, tell me how developed this FETUS was? One month? 5 months? Two months?

Do you see "baby" used anywhere in this article?

Can we "rescue" the dead?

If you have a problem with me using the terminology used in the article itself, YOU have a problem.

If you think that this fetus was "rescued," YOU have a problem.

I am an open book and a very easy person to get a hold of. If you'd like to call, email, chat in person, about my spelling or use of fetus, you can find me at home, in the phone book, or in the internets.

And why don't you just show some backbone and call me a "jack-off" instead of just a cowardly insinuation.

Smooches,

Kevin "Hack" King

Everyone acts like just because it wasn't ready to be born, it's not human. It's not a problem.
Well I am two months pregnant, sick as hell, and I call my EMBRYO a baby. And I know most abortions have to be done before the baby becomes a fetus for that reason. Before the baby becomes a fetus it has a heartbeat. So lets not act like it's just a bunch of blood and tissue.

It's good to know that there are other people besides myself that can turn Hack into blubbering, incoherent, shaking pile of goo.

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Hack off the subject is what I typed and the letter counter in the little box cut off the end - nevertheless your comment shows your slightly under the surface anger.

To answer the question about the age of the fetus/baby, the reason I know it was a baby is because life begins at conception. Your's did, mine did and everyone's did - even those who had their skull pierced by an abortionist's spoon or scalpel. They were alive for a little while, but then they were dead. The 12 week, 24 week, 30 week arguement is nonsense - go look at a sonogram.

The liberal agenda likes the idea that they can kill babies at will to preserve the freedom of choice for the exepectant mother - missing the point that the baby/fetus does not get a "choice" in this life or death decision.

The mother's "right to choose" is simply a right to kill her baby. For what reason? She had sex without protection before she was married? And can't live up to her responsibilities to raise the live human being with a heartbeat in her womb? 3 times stupid there.

Well, hack?

twisting this personal tragedy for people you do not know into a political argument on abortion.

1. If you are going to speak of my "underlying anger" from a post in which YOU call the Citizen's writer a "politically correct moron," you, perhaps, need someone to explain to you the irony in that.

2. If you have the time to correct my spelling of miscarriage, then at LEAST proof read what YOU WRITE to see what "the letter counter in the little box" did to your text.

Cyclist, Skyspy, proud_to_be_in, and I posted prayers and thoughts of sadness here. We don't have information to develop any further thoughts. Then came the incendiary abortion police!

-Cindpep suggested RU-486 was used by the mother. "She was in WalMart."

-Mudcat and Git become indignant that, gasp, the word "fetus" was used.

-Muddle suggests this is "infanticide??"

-and Sage is just sage.

How do any of us have a conversation with those ready to leap to conclusions they don't have information to draw, and who are loath to feel or express sympathy for the woman involved here?

1. How far along was the body/fetus/baby?

2. What was the relationship of the mother to the father of the fetus/body/baby?

3. What happened in that bathroom?

and

4. Do you get upset when the term "corpse" or "body" is used to describe a full grown dead person? I don't recall ever seeing such an outrage in those circumstances. Fetus would imply "in the womb," but would not a simple correction suffice with out the "infanticide" and "baby rescue" that is being conjured up?

If you can't answer those questions, perhaps you have spoken too soon.

Kevin "Hack" King

Muddle suggests this is "infanticide??"

You didn't read me carefully enough. I didn't suggest that this incident was anything at all. Rather, I was suggesting that infanticide and abortion have the same "order of being" as their victims, so that if we are opposed to the former then we ought also to be opposed to the latter.

Not knowing the facts of the case, there are any number of possibilities of what happened, from the sinister to the merely sad.

It's "Internet", not "internets".

Wikipedia - "Internets" (sometimes "internets") is a Bushism-turned-catch phrase used humorously to portray the speaker as ignorant about the Internet or technology in general.

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Barack Obama has absolutely nothing to do with an aborted fetus in a toilet in a Wal-Mart. Really, now, I'm not lying to you.