When have I stated anything in regard to Obama's race?

I don't have to lay a glove on Obama. He's digging his own hole.

Now, go blow your nose - it's disgusting.

Barack Obama is a human featherball -- a slick, smiling, substance-free empty suit who excites gullible dimwits by repeating the words “change,” “unity,” and “hope” over and over --

So you're reduced to cut and pasting third-string commentary from Townhall and complaining about Obama's (drumroll) preacher...his PREACHER!

Only to you does it not matter. How shameful of you to try to defend Obama on this when he refuses to disavow himself from this hatemeister. You candidates could molest an infant on national TV and you would still bleed trying to defend them. You're a scary dude.

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While I agree with you that beavers comments won’t change anyone’s mind.

Only Fox News was running the video of the preacher, but now the main stream news media has started running the videos and asking Obama to explain which parts of the sermons he agrees with and which parts he disagrees with.

So far he has not stated exactly what he agrees with or disagrees with.

He’s going to have to answer the questions sooner or later. If he doesn’t it may hurt him with the white vote that he will need to win.

Wulf

I must first say that there is no way I would be a member of a church with a pastor pushing the "blame ourselves for 9/11" message. Oddly enough, that includes Pastor John Hagey who indorses John McCain and Barack's pastor. Hagey blamed the attacks of 9/11/01 on our acceptance of promiscuity. The crazy conservative Kansas church blames U.S. troop deaths in Iraq on our acceptance of homosexuality. Barack's pastor blames it on our support of Israel and Hiroshima. Here is the problem:

If the NEW STANDARD is candidates must disavow line item statements from pastors who endorse them, they will all be quite busy.

McCain embraces John Hagey's endorsement. Of course, Hagey is famous for not only his "blame the US for 9/11" stance. He also calls the Catholic Church "the great whore." I find that amazing. Soooo,

When you say Barack will be judged by his pastor's words, do that in the light of the fact that John McCain stood arm in arm (literally) with John Hagey. He has not distanced himself from the endorsement of Rod Parsley who falsely claimed "Allah was a demon spirit. America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed."

The TRUTH is in 1797 the U.S. Senate, with a 100% vote, ratified the "Treaty of Peace and Friendship" between the U.S. and the subjects of Tripoli of Barbary (Muslims). There is no stated desire or objective of destroying Islam or any other religion in our founding documents.

We just may have to judge the presidential candidates by their own words and deeds, but if we choose to "go there" there is plenty of dirt to spread three ways.

and let's leave spouses out of it as well, because the three-way-dirt availability exists in that arena as well (hint: Obama's wife is the only spouse who could receive a commission in the US military based on a background check.)

Kevin "Hack" King

The quote that you attributed to Rod Parsley is on Wonkette (known for "its mixture of heady political [left-leaning] discourse with repeated references to gin and anal sex") and the Daily KOOKS website, linked to the source Mother Jones, the left-wing socialist San Francisco "news" site. The historical context of the quote (you didn't use ellipses to show omitted words) is Columbus's voyage to the New World, which he claimed for Spain's Queen Isabella, who had defeated the Muslims at Granada in 1492, stopping the Muslim advance into Europe. Perhaps I missed this "news" on ABC, CNN, etc.

Since the topics of demons and false religions are within the realm of religion and not government, Mr. Parsley is free to exercise his freedom of speech and religion rights, as is Mr. Hagee (who has historical precedence on his side), much to the chagrin of the political correctness police.

"Most Reformation writers and all Reformers themselves, from Martin Luther (1517)... John Calvin, and John Knox... identify the Roman Catholic Church with the Whore of Babylon. This opinion influenced several generations in England and Scotland when it was put into the 1599 edition of the Geneva Bible."

[Martin Luther, who witnessed the vast corruption of the Catholic Church, was declared an outlaw "to be apprehended and punished as a notorious heretic." It was a crime for anyone in Germany to give Luther food or shelter and anyone could kill him without legal consequence. Religious persecution (such as the Spanish Inquisition) could influence one's interpretation of symbolic references, don't you think?]

"Identification of the Pope as the Antichrist was written into Protestant creeds such as the Westminster Confession of 1646. The identification of the Roman Catholic Church with the Whore of Babylon is kept in the Scofield Reference Bible (whose 1917 edition identified 'ecclesiastical Babylon' with 'apostate Christendom headed by the Papacy')."

"The Protestant reformers were not the first people to call the Roman Catholic Church the Whore of Babylon. There was a fairly long tradition of this kind of name-calling by opponents of the Papacy" (such as Frederick Barbarossa in the 1100s and Dante in the 1200s).

"At the height of the Reformation era tensions, Roman Catholic authors often accused specific Protestant leaders of being potential Antichrists."

"The use of the 'Great Satan' metaphor by some fundamentalist followers of Islam makes an implicit comparison of the United States to ancient Babylon and Rome." (Wikipedia)

Where is the historical precedence for Obama's pastor's remarks? His remarks center on skin color (black supremacy, which is racism) and anti-Americanism (politics mixed with religion). Obama has heard such comments for 20 years and called this man his mentor, the inspiration for his book. Obama has close ties with a man who lauded Farrakhan as one of the giants of the African-American religious experience, whose "'depth on analysis [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye-opening. He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest.'"

Show me similar remarks made by McCain's mentor, not by people voting for him. McCain was raised in the Episcopal Church (extremely liberal), says he is not "born again," and has not been baptized. I see little, if any, influence that the religious beliefs of some of his supporters have had on McCain. Has Hagee or Parsley wanted the government to persecute Catholics or Muslims for their religion, or are their remarks within the realm of religion and religion as the basis for morality?

Obama's views on racial relations will affect his presidency. He didn't grow up with the "typical" "black experience" (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton variety), yet he admires and associates with someone who holds similar beliefs. He speaks of hope and change, yet he's closely associated with the racial rhetoric of the 60s and 70s, which is still being "preached" today. There will be a cloud of suspicion about his and his wife's true beliefs and prejudices because of this close association of 20 years and the similar racial and/or anti-American views of many of his supporters.

McCain was looking for votes, not religious, political, or racial beliefs. He was being a politician, not looking for a religious racial identity experience. McCain hasn't been known for close associations with religious "fundamentalists." (He called Jerry Falwell, along with Pat Robertson, an "agent of intolerance.") In fact, he's often criticized and angered many segments of his conservative base. Unless you propose a religious test before someone can vote, he and Obama can solicit votes from the various segments of society. I expect Obama to seek homosexuals' and abortion supporters' votes (as well as most “blacks” and religious liberals), just as I expect religiously conservative (ultra-conservative or extremist to many) and moderate voters to vote for McCain, even if grudgingly.

Would Obama put someone like Wright in a leadership position if elected? Well, Wright was part of his campaign and he does represent the views of many (?) "blacks." Would McCain put conservatives, especially religious ones, in a leadership position? No way! That would prevent him from "working with" Teddy K and the gang.

Mark Steyn: "Obama's Pastor Disaster"

“For Obama, Charity Really Began in the U.S. Senate"

"Giving, service and compassion are recurrent themes on the campaign trail for Sen. Barack Obama, but the Democratic presidential contender has only recently dug deep into his own pockets to support charitable causes."

“An Appeal Beyond Race”

Possibly wrong ‘blog’ However-
Where is the historical precedence for Obama's pastor's remarks? His remarks center on skin color (black supremacy, which is racism)

Emphasizing black skins color is not equal to black supremacy. Read again the oft-posted BLT statement as shared by BPR. We're not 'better than' but 'equal to' when liberated. (unchained, allowed equal opportunity)

("Going the distance" -- You can skip to the BOLD parts. Sorry for the length, but how do you condense hundreds of years of history into a few words? )

The Barbary Powers (Tunis, Morocco, Algiers, and Tripoli) regularly attacked undefended American merchant ships. Not only were their cargoes easy prey but the Barbary Powers were also capturing and enslaving "Christian" seamen (i.e., European and American) in retaliation for what had been done to them by the "Christians" of previous centuries [e.g., the Crusades (1095-1291) and Ferdinand and Isabella's expulsion of Muslims from Granada (1492/1502)]. In an attempt to secure a release of captured seamen and a guarantee of unmolested shipping in the Mediterranean, President Washington dispatched envoys to negotiate treaties with the Barbary nations.

(Concurrently, he encouraged the construction of American naval warships to defend American shipping interests and to confront the Barbary "pirates" – a plan not seriously pursued until President John Adams created a separate Department of the Navy in 1798.) The American envoys negotiated numerous treaties of "Peace and Amity" with the Muslim Barbary nations to ensure "protection" of American commercial ships sailing in the Mediterranean.

However, the terms of the treaties frequently were unfavorable to America, either requiring her to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars of "tribute" (i.e., official extortion) to each country to receive a "guarantee" of safety or to offer other "considerations" (e.g., providing a warship as a "gift" to Tripoli, a "gift" frigate to Algiers, paying $525,000 to ransom captured American seamen from Algiers, etc.). American leaders recognized that paying tribute would encourage more attacks, but the U.S. did not have an adequate navy to defend its merchant ships.

In 1786 Jefferson, as an American ambassador seeking to negotiate peace treaties with the Barbary nations, reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:

“The [Muslim] ambassador answered us that [the right to extort money and take slaves] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman (or Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.”

The 1797 Treaty of Tripoli was one of the many treaties in which each country officially recognized the religion of the other in an attempt to prevent further escalation of a "Holy War" between Christians and Muslims. [In other words, the U.S. government was not waging war against the Muslim religion, although that religion was the impetus for the actions of the pirates.] The treaty was NOT an affirmation of the Muslim religion; it was an attempt to secure the safety of sailors and passengers and avoid war, which the U.S. was financially and politically unprepared to bear after the War for Independence.

General William Eaton, first appointed by President John Adams as "Consul to Tunis" and later advanced by President Thomas Jefferson to the position of "U. S. Naval Agent to the Barbary States," wrote to Secretary of State Timothy Pickering about why the Muslims were such dedicated foes:

“Taught by revelation [Koran] that war with the Christians will guarantee the salvation of their souls, and finding so great secular advantages in the observance of this religious duty [the secular advantage of keeping captured cargoes and ships, as well as seaman and 'Christians' living in European coastal villages to be sold in slave markets, especially 'the coveted white European women for the brothels of the East'], their [the Muslims'] inducements to desperate fighting are very powerful.”

General Eaton also observed in his journal that it is “almost impossible” to persuade “these wild bigots” “that, being Christians, we can be otherwise than enemies to Musselmen.”

Historical context: The other countries against which the Muslim Barbary Powers declared war had state-sponsored churches and an official “Christian” religion. Europeans often harbored a hatred of Muslims because of their militarism and the subjugation and enslavement of captured and conquered peoples. The U.S. did not have a state church, but Muslims erroneously believed the U.S. to be waging a religious war against them because most Americans professed the Christian faith. They had no concept of a government not acting in the name of a specific religion and forcing conversions and/or submission.

The Christianity practiced in America [by individuals and as the foundation for our laws] was described by John Jay as "wise and virtuous," by John Quincy Adams as "civilized," and by John Adams as "rational." A clear distinction was drawn between American Christianity and that of Europe in earlier centuries. As Noah Webster explained:

“The ecclesiastical establishments of Europe which serve to support tyrannical governments are not the Christian religion but abuses and corruptions of it.”

Daniel Webster similarly explained that American Christianity [in contrast to European “Christianity”] was “Christianity to which the sword and the fagot [burning stake or hot branding iron] are unknown; tolerant Christianity is the law of the land!”

Contrast freedom of worship as guaranteed by our Constitution with the long Muslim tradition of killing or forced conversion to Islam of conquered peoples. Some "settled, wealthy, and advanced populations, of Christians, Jews" were permitted to live as “dhimmis,” "subject to carefully elaborated financial, legal, political, and social disabilities that made life for them one of humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity."

General Eaton fiercely disagreed with the 1805 treaty to end the war begun by the Muslims in 1801, wherein the Jefferson administration agreed to pay $60,000 ransom for enslaved American prisoners. He believed the treaty squandered America’s position of strength and compromised America’s honor. Within 2 years he would be proven right.

“By 1807, Algiers had gone back to taking American ships and seamen hostage. Distracted by the preludes to the War of 1812, the U.S. was unable to respond to the provocation until 1815, with the Second Barbary War.”

The post I replied to was regarding Obama not McCain that’s why my comments were about Obama. By the way Obama issued a blanket statement, no details on what he disavows.

John Hagee and Rod Parsley are nuts and McCain should state what parts of their sermons he agrees with or disagrees with.

I agree with Git on Islam, their whole purpose in life is to destroy us and our way of life.

We could have ended this war along time ago just drop one big bomb and let Allah sort out the good from the bad.

Same thing should have been done in Vietnam.

Wulf

I think Allah is an evil spirit too. Islam, their hateful god, their hate manual, and their murderous followers are all evil. Whew... at least I now don't have to worry about being asked to be Obama's running mate.

Is Obama's wacky and hateful preacher really on his presidential advisory board? You gotta admit that if elected, the National Prayer Breakfasts are going to be really interesting with the Big O's preacher leading them.

(hint: Obama's wife is the only spouse who could receive a commission in the US military based on a background check.)

Enlighten me on McCain's trophy wife. I know why Hillary's spouse could never receive a commission based on his background check.

If the NEW STANDARD is candidates must disavow line item statements from pastors who endorse them, they will all be quite busy.

Obama should disavow this clown completely. How can a man sit in this so-called man of God's congregation for years and have this hate monger interpret the Bible and God's ways to him in this manner and remain a member of such a heretical group? I would exit that den of evil in heart beat to disassociate myself from such a group of clowns.

I see no difference in sitting in that hate monger's pews and marching side by side with the KKK. If you disagree with me on this then it's become suddenly clear as to why you've never had issue with your Democratic Senator, the honorable KKK Byrd. At least you're consistent. Confused, but yet consistent.

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"Obama should disavow this clown completely..."

OBAMA: ON MY FAITH AND MY CHURCH

I hope we will see McCain 'disavow' Pastor Hagee, as well.

It wouldn't matter to you a bit.. would it?

Like I said. It took 20 years for him to politically distance himself from this hateful bigot. After reading that there is no doubt in my mind that the Reverend Jerimiah Basmati left with that 'wink and a nod'.

I hope we will see McCain 'disavow' Pastor Hagee, as well.

I have no problem with that. However, what I would like to see more is for McCain to 'disavow' his bed wetting tendencies.

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express my point.

The end of your post:

"Obama should disavow this clown completely. How can a man sit in this so-called man of God's congregation for years and have this hate monger interpret the Bible and God's ways to him in this manner and remain a member of such a heretical group? I would exit that den of evil in heart beat to disassociate myself from such a group of clowns.

I see no difference in sitting in that hate monger's pews and marching side by side with the KKK. If you disagree with me on this then it's become suddenly clear as to why you've never had issue with your Democratic Senator, the honorable KKK Byrd. At least you're consistent. Confused, but yet consistent."

The beginning of your post in your words, Git:

"I think Allah is an evil spirit too. Islam, their hateful god, their hate manual, and their murderous followers are all evil. Whew... at least I now don't have to worry about being asked to be Obama's running mate."

Git, If I heard the words you just said in my church, I would Git up and leave as if it was Barack's pastor preaching. Is that consistent enough for you? One of my favorite fighter pilots and former students of all time is Talal Al Shimari. I've written of him before in the distant past. He is a Kuwaiti Air Force pilot. He was a war hero against Sadaam's Iraq as a personnel officer in the Kuwaiti military. As a reward, he was given a pilot slot in the US and a chance to fly the F-18 in Kuwait.

Get, please read my following words with an open mind. Kuwait is our ally. Turkey is our ally. Afghanistan and Iraq had better be our allies, or every drop of US blood shed to free and improve the lives of these Muslims is in vain. How can you support a war to liberate men and women you view as "all evil?" We are teaching them how to fly fighters. We've sold them E-3 Sentries. We fight side by side with them. Why would we fight side by side with people you describe this way:

"Islam, their hateful god, their hate manual, and their murderous followers are all evil?"

Do some soul searching, Git, and then come back and tell me if we should continue to arm and support Muslim people in Muslim nations.

Cheers, and good luck defending your words,

Kevin "Hack" King

ps. I will only bring unsavory disqualifiers from Senator McCain's wife's past as a response in kind, but most likely you already know the answer to that which you asked about her.

Tough talk on Pakistan from Obama

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Just because you live in America, it doesn't make you Christian. Same goes in Kuwait and others places mentioned. If I didn't know Christ and some Taliban Terrorist put an AK up to my temple, I'd shout out "Praise Allah" or whatever else he wanted me to hear. That's how most of the Muslim Countries are. Ask the wives of these Muslim hate-mongers how crazy they are about this Allah character.

So my thoughts are for the most part we're supporting the secular groups of these countries.

As far as defending my words go. Either I believe that there is one true God as the Bible teaches or then it won't matter. I can simply do like Main Stream and pick cafeteria style.

Let's go buy some mulch.

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"So my thoughts are for the most part we're supporting the secular groups of these countries."

Git, Sadaam Hussein was the leader of Sunnis and secularism in Iraq. We handed the keys to their white house to the more theocratic Shiite. Being that Shiites were the overwhelming majority in Iraq, that's no surprise. I don't quite follow your logic of only fighting for the Muslims with no faith. If you get time, please expound.

Kevin "Hack" King

To be very brief. We are said to be a Christian Nation. Tis hardly the fact. Same as with the supposed Islamic nations.

You've got a good point about Hussein being secular. What was funny was "Islamic" he became after we started kicking his booty and closing in on him. LOL!

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The name is John Hagee. No, I do not support McCain or Hagee. Read my important blog- Disturbing and important. McCain does not go to Hagee's church nor is he McCain's pastor for 20 years and he did not perform McCain's wedding ceremony.
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We Will Stand

John McCain welcomed the endorsment of a man who is acurately quoted attacking the Catholic church. John McCain will neither reject nor denounce the man's words.

Barack Obama has publicly stated that he disagrees with the controversial words spoken by Trinity's pastor. McCain has not "manned up."

Love ya,

Kevin "Hack" King

I am not endorsing either, Obama just candy coats his and John McCain I don't support him either, they are both wrong.

Why is Obama's pastor still on his campaign board if he does not support him? If Obama's pastor is so controverisal I would not have him on my campaign board.

I have heard everything Obama says with a candy coat on top of it- good actor sorta.

Hey, Ronald Regan was a good actor and President.

Have a good evening. BTW- I am not so bad either.

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We Will Stand

from "overly handsome husbands" so I won't touch the last part

I agree that Trinity's pastor is out to lunch. I've stayed at churches too long when I did not have faith in the pastors. I stayed for the body of the church; my fellow parishioners. I was in the Nurse's guild, a Sunday School teacher. It is as hard to leave a church as a marraige. Barack has some tough decisions.

Kevin "Hack" King

I'll have to meet you- you do have some funny humor with that first comment, you made me laugh.

Well, with that one comment "God _______ America would make me leave the church right when he said it. I would not have to think once before I went out the door. I would find a new church.

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We Will Stand

Are you making this stuff up as you go along? There is no reference for a pastor John Hagey in a google search.

Can you at least post links to the quotes from 'John Hagey'? (That is, if there is such a person.)

Barack Obama is a human featherball -- a slick, smiling, substance-free empty suit who excites gullible dimwits like Hack and David's Mom by repeating the words “change,” “unity,” and “hope” over and over --

It would have taken a nano second for you to see his name is John Hagee. Sorry, Beaver. I owe you a typo muligan.

Google the Catholic League and see what they think of John HagEE

Kevin "Hack" King

Have either of these men been McCain's "spiritual advisor" for the past 20 years? Does McCain even attend either church?

Nice try Hack, neither one comes close to being the racist nutjob that Obama's pastor and spiritual advisor is.

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another typo... cut and paste myself:

Kevin "Hack" King, 10 seconds ago:
"John McCain welcomed the endorsment of a man who is acurately quoted attacking the Catholic church. John McCain will neither reject nor denounce the man's words.

Barack Obama has publicly stated that he disagrees with the controversial words spoken by Trinity's pastor. McCain has not "manned up."

John McCain has made ZERO EFFORT to distance himself from anti Catholic and anti- Muslim rhetoric. Barrack HAS distanced himself from ANOTHER MAN'S comments. I guess this is all you've got. Run with it like it were scissors. I'm done on this topic though.

Kevin "Hack" King

Distanced himself from his preacher's anti-American and anti-white people's rhetoric??????????????? Isn't Obama still a member and isn't he still his preacher? Hasn't Obama retained his hate preacher on his advisory board? Is this what you call distancing himself from ANOTHER MAN'S comments?

Heck. If I were you, I'd be done on this topic too.

Let's move on. I didn't know you had a bald head. I'm tempted to get a wild hair and shave mine. One thing with a bald head is this: You either look good or you look like a skin headed idiot. I suppose that if I looked like the latter I could wear a hat for the next couple of months.

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until you catch up with your future President. Barack can be counted on to do what is right. Will you, Beaver, BPR, Denise, Sage (yes, Sage is your team mate), Otherside, and the other patriotic Americans continue to rail on Barack for the words of other men when and if he is elected?

The Trinity pastor is no longer on his staff. Barack has impressed me at every level with his ability to keep his calm as you and Hillary continue to throw the kitchen sink at him. He not only avoided injury, but returned the kitchen sink to you in better condition than it was in when you threw it. I can't wait to have a president that stands before the country and seeks to inspire the entire population, not just the members of his party. I think you'll like what you see.

cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King

Hack,

We're not railing on Barack for another man's words. We're railing on him for his association with him, while knowing full well that the guy was an anti-american racist seperatist who hates whites as much as Farrakhan. Wright was his spiritual advisor, his mentor, his inspiration for his book "Audacity of Hype, er, I mean Hope", he officiated at his marriage and at the baptism of his children.

And he didn't dis-associate himself until he was called on the carpet for it.

He has no business being POTUS with that kind of judgement.
Barack Obama is a human featherball -- a slick, smiling, substance-free empty suit who excites gullible dimwits by repeating the words “change,” “unity,” and “hope” over and over --

Racist Whitey Hating Minister Leaves Obama Campaign

I'm trying to figure out why it took so long for Hussein Obama to get rid of this bigoted hate-monger. It took 20 years of Obama sitting in this guys congregation to realize that perhaps being aligned with him isn't such a good idea? Either Obama is as dumb as a stick or he merely accepted his hateful travel partner to terrorist nations and religious mentor's message for those 20 long years. You aren't a member of a congregation for that long without being apart of that group and embracing it's views.

Whatcha wanna bet that ole Reverend Basmati left Obama's campaign with a wink and a nod.

If you are intellectually honest Hack, you would admit that any non Democrat candidate would have been devoured by the media, the libs and you by now. You've been conditioned well as left wing sheep.

I can't wait to have a president that stands before the country and seeks to inspire the entire population,

There's that throw-up taste again. You know... for some of us it takes more that some slick talking politician to inspire us. The Big 'O' spouting off change and increased taxes is hardly what I call inspiring. If you buy into this Obama thang without considering due diligence on his positions and make-up, then I'm concerned as to whether you tend to fall for e-mail and phone scams.

You gotta hand it him on one thing. He's perfected the art of spin in a way that makes the Clinton's look like a bunch political amateurs running for town council. I'll whoop out one of my favorite phrases here. Big hat - no cattle. How appropriate.

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Now that we can not say Barack embraces the words of Rev. Wright, we have to criticize the speed at which Barack distanced himself from Reverend Wright. I would say to you that Barack distanced himself from Rev. Wright faster than John McCain distanced himself from Rev. Hagee who thinks the Catholic Church is "The great whore." And you threw this punch at me and missed:

"If you are intellectually honest Hack, you would admit that any non Democrat candidate would have been devoured by the media, the libs and you by now. You've been conditioned well as left wing sheep."

Git, just how has John McCain been "devoured by the media" for sharing a stage, an endorsement, and an embrace with a man who views the Catholic Church as the great you know what, and also blamed 9/11 on America's toleration of homosexuality? Be honest, Git. What are you hearing and seeing on the internets? Are you seeing you tube after youtube and story after story of McCain and Hagee standing together? Noooooooooooooo.

Something to note, Gitreal. Barack's Pastor has been in the pulpit 30 years. Do you think there is a chance that the absolute worst messages the pastor delivered have been given all the attention, but somewhere in the 30 years of ministry he delivered a Biblical message? Do you think the critics of Rev. Wright have sat in the church and listened to the message day after day, or are they making the sum total of Rev. Wright's message equate to the absolute most extreme things Rev. Wright, the former Marine, has said?

Barack Obama said tonight, "Pastor Wright lead me to Christ." Will Pastor Wright receive credit for that?

On a side note you asked:

"If you buy into this Obama thang without considering due diligence on his positions and make-up, then I'm concerned as to whether you tend to fall for e-mail and phone scams."

Well actually, no I don't Git. After all, I didn't fall for a wealthy gentleman trying to convince me there is no recession. Reference him below:

Economy In The Tank???
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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 9:19pm.

"We don't even know what hard time are anymore in this country. One day when hard times have truly hit this country there is no doubt it will destroy us. We as a nation do not have what it takes to endure hard times such as the 30's and 40's dished out on the peoples of this country. Get a life and stop whining like a Democrat."

Git, you minimize the power of speech in a president uniting a country. The current GOP President, in a time when America has needed to be absolutely united, has said, "A vote for democrats is a vote for the terrorists." There goes 40% of the nation. He has spoken of "San Francisco liberals" with disdain (there goes 7.2 million Americans). He has talked down to "Massachusetts liberals." Another 3 million folks marginalized. Git, if you think we can win the hearts and minds of Arabic and Pharsy speaking people with a man who can't win the hearts and minds of Americans first, you will live in constant disappointment. Hope you understand ole' Hack's support for Barack a little better now.

Kevin "Hack" King

ps: President Bush called the 6 and 1/2 year struggle in Afghanistan "romantic." Yes, Git, it is time for a change. And I don't mean Bush 2.0 AKA McCain

Barack Obama said tonight, "Pastor Wright led me to Christ." Will Pastor Wright receive credit for that?

Hack; explain to me how this preacher can lead anyone to Christ. The man is full of hatred for anyone that is not black.

His ability to lead a person to Christ is the same as Hagee’s non existent.

They both are hateful men and full of crap.

You slam Hagee rightfully so, but then defend Obama's hate filled pastor.

Wouldn’t have anything to do with the color of his skin?

What does being an ex Marine have to do with him being a good or bad preacher?

Wulf

Can't someone who is filled with hatred cause one to "see the light" or "lead someone to Christ" by showing the bad side of belief? Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

I don’t have the answer to that question.

Let me direct you to some experts Rev Wright, Rev Jackson, Rev Hagee and Rev Parsley.

Let me know when you get the answer.

Wulf

It is too late for those gentlemen to bring me over, since Jim Wallis has already accomplished that task. Sorry. Keep the faith.

ps. Jim is going to be at the Carter Center Wednesday evening. Interested in going?

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Let me clarify my statement. I was not questioning your faith or implying you needed any of these scum bags to bring you to Christ.

I was just stating these scum bag preachers would be the ones to ask.

Sorry, I will be on the road the next two weeks WI, OH, IN.

I haven’t gotten a chance to pickup Jim’s book maybe I will get a chance when I get back.

Wulf

I even put your name on it. I'm one of the few guys along with you asking for an equal condemnation of religiously divisive men. I'll print it again, from this afternoon:

"Wulfman, Git, Beaver, and killer kitten:
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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 03/14/2008 - 5:31pm.

I must first say that there is no way I would be a member of a church with a pastor pushing the "blame ourselves for 9/11" message. Oddly enough, that includes Pastor John Hagey who endorses John McCain and Barack's pastor. Hagey blamed the attacks of 9/11/01 on our acceptance of promiscuity. The crazy conservative Kansas church blames U.S. troop deaths in Iraq on our acceptance of homosexuality. Barack's pastor blames it on our support of Israel and Hiroshima. Here is the problem:

If the NEW STANDARD is candidates must disavow line item statements from pastors who endorse them, they will all be quite busy."

Now to your other points:

I won't judge anyone's ability to lead someone to Christ; especially people I do not personally know.

I am not bringing race into this. Barack is not bringing race into this. You and Hillary Clinton's supporters are.

If you've ever been around MArines, you should understand that many interesting things often come out of their mouths. I'd say the fact he was a Marine is as relevant to Barack Obama's presidential campaign as Rev. Wright's words are to Barack's campaign; purely tangential information that can only be used to shape subjective opinions.

Kevin "Hack" King

Rev Wright injected race into this not me or Hillary.

If the Rev hadn’t preached hate whitey there would be no story here.

Same thing with Hagee and his hate filled sermons about gays, the Catholic Church etc..

Being a whitey, I wouldn’t want Rev. Wright the ex Marine covering my back in battle with his hate whitey attitude. Good way for whitey to end up shot or with a knife in his back.

President, isn't it? And if this comment from you is not "bringing race" into it, what is its purpose???!!!

"You slam Hagee rightfully so, but then defend Obama's hate filled pastor.

Wouldn’t have anything to do with the color of his skin?"

Kevin "Hack" King

Wright for President?

He would probably be better than Obama at least he doesn’t try to hide his hatred for white people.

What you see is what you get no matter how ugly it is.

I stand by my statement you jumped on the chance to slam Hagee.

I had no problem with that but you failed to denounce Rev Wrights hate speech toward white people. You denounced the 911 part only.

Then you add he was a Marine like that is supposed to excuse his hateful speech.

According to you, just because a person has served in the military that excuses anything they did after they were discharged.

But if they water boarded a prisoner while they served their country lock them up and throw away the key.

Beating a 70 year old woman with a gun and murdering a female college student is Ok, because his mom said the Iraq war caused him to do it.

Take your aviator glasses off Hack your seeing everything way to dark.

Wulf

I think you could be taken in by a aluminum siding salesman very easily.

Do you really think for one minute that the segments of Wright shooting off his racist, hateful, anti-American mouth were the sum of over 30 years?

Not a chance. He was probably whipping the congregation into a frenzy every week with his hate-filled, racist spew - Barack Hussein included.

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Barack Obama is a human featherball -- a slick, smiling, substance-free empty suit who excites gullible dimwits by repeating the words “change,” “unity,” and “hope” over and over --

with this topic.

What did Pastor Wright preach about last Sunday? What was his message the week before? If you don't know, I'd suggest you've pulled a message out of your hind quarters while urging ME to perform similar impossible acts on myself.

Kevin "Hack" King

ps: What other names could we attach here?

"shooting off his racist, hateful, anti-American mouth"

Would that matter to you?

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by their own words? I missed your blogs asking McCain to denounce Hagee. Being that you are a straight shooting "independent" I'm sure you are writing that blog as I type. Have you noticed how the biased media is giving Obama's religious thealot endorsement so much more attention than McCain's Hagee endorsement? What up with that?

Kevin "Hack" King

Get yourself an Oster hair clipper, use the #2 attachment, and go over your entire head in a criss-cross pattern. Then take off the attachment and trim around the ears. You get a professional-looking crew cut, it takes all of 10 minutes, and it's free.

I started doing that during the war in Afghanistan. We were deployed to an Arab country, in a bare-base setup, and the only barber was an Arab with scissors and a straight-razor. No way I was going to let him near my throat with that razor! So I got the Oster clippers, and it worked so well that I've kept doing it ever since then. (The fact that I'm a tightwad probably contributes to my enthusiasm for this method.)

Besides, the older you get, the less it matters, since there is less and less hair to cut.

Thanks for the helpful hints. If I bought one of those Oster clippers at Target and stuck it under my sink, I might wake up one morning with a wild hair and whaaaa la! I'll look like you and Hack.

Here's my greatest fear. That after buzzing or shaving my head I would get into the habit of walking around while rubbing the top of my head all the time. After wearing hair for the last 46 of my 47 years I've got to think that being hairless would take some getting used to. It's kind of like growing a beard and after a year shaving it off. If just plum feels weird.

And just think. If I lost my teeth I would really resemble my baby pictures.

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You might end up looking like Howie Mandel. You'd have to get one of those all-black suits he wears, and you'd have to practice striking a dramatic pose like he does on "Deal or No Deal". But those models are not bad!!

Actually, I tried shaving my hair completely off, and like you mentioned, it works better for some than others. It works for Howie better than for me. I didn't look bad, but it kept growing back, and the stubble didn't look so hot. ...and no models with briefcases. (sigh!)

Because if I looked Mrs. Git would whack me over the head with one of those briefcases. Then I'd have to wiggle my way out by saying something stupid like: "Honey, I wasn't lusting..... I swear I looked for less than 10 seconds".

lust [luhst] –noun

1. intense sexual desire or appetite.
2. uncontrolled or illicit sexual desire or appetite; lecherousness.
3. to gaze upon Cindy Crawford for longer than 10 seconds
4. a passionate or overmastering desire or craving (usually fol. by for): a lust for power.
5. ardent enthusiasm; zest; relish: an enviable lust for life.
6. Obsolete. a. pleasure or delight.

b. desire; inclination; wish.
–verb (used without object) 6. to have intense sexual desire.
7. to have a yearning or desire; have a strong or excessive craving (often fol. by for or after).

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