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I can no more see anyone in the 3 piece suit taking it here, than I can someone making a get a way from a bank robbery! If I was gonna rob a store, the last thing you would catch my butt doing is waiting for a buss to get me to MARTA!

If you have all the time in the world, please take MARTA. If you want a better way to get to work, this ain't it.

Well here we go again.

Whenever it is proposed that Fayette County adopt some form of mass transit to Atlanta all the fear mongers come out.

Mass transit to Atlanta would be a boon to Fayette County residents, many of whom work in Atlanta.

Mass transit does not equal crime. To think that is the case is just ignorance and racism. Pure and simple.

I commute every work day by driving to College Park and taking Marta into mid-town. Works pretty good. Why not have the Marta station closer to P{TC?

Sooner or later PTC and Fayette County will join the larger Atlanta world.

Stop shaking in your boots and catch up to the modern, transportation world. Fayette County has to do something to alleviate its current, and future, commuting problems. Some of us HAVE to commute to Atlanta for work.

Do you really believe things like District Voting and Mass Transit will bring the 'wrong element' into Fayette County.

What exactly are you trying to say?

Taking your assumption that mass transit=more crime, how does that affect Fayette county one iota if there is rail in Union City or Newnan? They ain't part of Fayette County that I know of. Someone is going to take a train to Abandon Mall in Union city so they can come over to PTC and rob someone? I don't think so.

"Having access" and having it located in the middle of the county are two distinct ideas and I don't see Smith saying he wants a rail station in Fayette.

Everyone gripes(rightfully) about the massive gridlock in the greater Atlanta area that is now growing even wider each passing year and will never get better left as is. Gas/oil prices are rising and $4 is right around the corner. Emissions. Wear and tear on vehicles. Rail and really any form of mass transit seems to work well in other cities and entire countries, so why not? I think a lot of people who sit aimlessly at 74/85 every workday so they can then sit in total gridlock getting to Atlanta or beyond would give it a try.

DON'T TASE ME, BRO!!!

the thought of some guy checking out the train/bus schedule before robbing that convenience store is ludicrous. And then our mythical master criminal has probably got to wait for a transfer on the I-85 corridor and again at the nearest MARTA station to flee to the sanctuary of downtown Atlanta. And for every criminal genius there will be probably what, 50 commuters that save money, energy, and Zantac taking the commuter system? Sounds like a viable option to me. Keep the peace.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

is, by the time you can drive from PTC to Union City or Newnan, they're already 1/2 the way to work in downtown Atlanta, time-wise.

From Union City to the MARTA at Camp Creek is about another 10 min. driving time.

Send the light rail down through the non-industrial center in PTC.
Buy up some of the NON-occupied buildings and build a parking lot. Charge all out of county tags a $2.00 parking fee. Now the city is actually making enough money to pay for the Logsdon legacy tennis center and the Lennox Police station and we don't have to build another Wal-Mart.

PTC is talking about Police substations, where's there's a good place for one.

Tell you what, if I see a guy waiting for the 'COMMUTER' train with a 50" plasma in his hands, I'll call a cop. Right after I stop laughing.

Face it people, from 1990 to 2008 the population if the Atlanta metro area has increased by some 3,000,000 people. During that same time period, no major road/highway improvements have happened on the west side of Fayette County. In other words the roads/highways are 30 years behind the times and the state of Georgia is $12,000,000,000 short on funds.

Oh, I almost forgot, property values will INCREASE!

Used to commute on one of those up north and it was wonderful - coffee, newspaper, no stress.

Need secured parking for commuters cars or else the predators will break in or steal them. Up north we had kiss and ride, but nowdays everyone is too absorbed in their social or business life to give the spouse a ride twice a day.

Anyhow, a great idea - go for it, Jack!

Has anyone seen how horrible the Perimeter Center area is? Has anyone noticed groups of people on Marta rail and busses with pillow cases full of silver candle holders and fine china? Do we all not understand that criminals already know we are here and they have cars? Let's not become scared of our shadows. My sister lives in suburban Raleigh, NC, and her next door neighbor was broken into mid day; by neighboring kids. And they have no form of mass transit. Let's not avoid solutions to our traffic and energy problem with unfounded paranoia.

Kevin "Hack" King

You can decide for yourself about the relationship.

GO HERE for MARTA Crime Stats.

Rail transportation and the parking lots don't look like they're nearly as safe as the Pavilion, and I doubt that you can carry any form of protection (weapon, that is) either.

A little perspective might be in order, Denise!

You bray about the 400 to 500 or so crimes committed on Marta....did you happen to notice the ridership?

147,500,000 passenger boardings per year
~500 crimes per year

LINK

and all of these crimes, so richly recorded, happened at the North Pointe station? Five Points? Fort Mac? East Pernt? You really have told us nothing about the impact of "MARTA crime" on the metro area as a whole. You are going to have to do better than that, Denise. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

You did say that you're NO LONGER a teacher, right?

Explain, if you're able, exactly how the statistics "tell us nothing about the impact of 'MARTA crime' on the metro area as a whole." 493 crimes for FY '07 (down from 605 in FY '04), including 74 aggravated assaults and 249 larcenies and 65 auto thefts, should make anyone with any common sense be more wary in the stations and parking lots.

"MARTA Police urges riders to be attentive to their property. Many Part I Crimes that are reported are Larcenies. For example, theft of personal property (i.e. cell phones, luggage, laptops, bags, etc.)" [not "pillow cases full of silver candle holders and fine china" as Hack said]

Go to the link; delete the /comparison.htm part; then you will have the crime by 4 precincts.

http://www.itsmarta.com/police/crime_stats/comparison.htm

They're not MY statistics; that's the way MARTA lists them. They probably were VERY "so richly recorded," i.e., costing LOTS of tax $$$$ for little results. And you Dems want MORE of the same.

I probably can find more about crime & MARTA later. I'm usually able "to do better." How about you?

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We just ate at Cracker Barrel. There was a big sign that said "please do not leave valuables unattended" in their parking lot. Cracker Barrels bring crime! Six Flags has the same warning in their parking lot. Six Flags brings crime. Why did we ever bring Cracker Barrel and Six Flags to Atlanta? They have brought us crime and therefore are bad.

Kevin "Hack" King

focus here. You have inundated us with your MARTA crime statistics, but you haven't told us how this relates to metro crime in general. You have told us nothing. I will give you an example. In the Central District, reported crimes rose from 128 in 04 to 150 in 07. How does that relate to the surrounding neighborhoods within the Central District. Did the number of reported crimes within the area double over the four year span? If so, then the MARTA stations in the Central District are actually SAFER places than the surrounding communities as their crime rates rose rather slowly in comparison. What we "Dems" want is cause and effect statistics, not just a bunch of numbers thrown out the with "See, we told you" statments based on incomplete or "non-germane" data. I am ready to listen, if you are ready to stick to the subject. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

FOCUS on what I said: "You can decide for yourself about the relationship." Do the research yourself instead of DEPENDING on me to THINK for you.

But since you're the one for CHANGE, I HOPE that you present evidence (not MARTA propaganda) that MARTA is beneficial to a community, crime rates do not increase, property values do not decrease....

A few questions: Where do the CRIMINALS (the ones stealing cars, computers, etc., raping, assaulting, etc.) come from? Do they choose to live near the source of their "income," i.e, MARTA rail stations? Do they still use the elevators for urinals?

"Then the MARTA stations in the Central District are actually SAFER places than the surrounding communities."

Maybe it's because there is more security, with guards at the scene, and the area is more contained. Yet, even with those features, aggravated assaults and car thefts still happen.

Something to ponder: WHY would the crime DOUBLE within the surrounding community?

If READING a FEW numbers equates to "inundating," then mowing yards is likely a more beneficial occupation.

If you are not a Christian you won't get this. So, don't give me tons of questions, I suggest get the bible and read it.

Christians are not perfect we are forgiven.

Last time I saw the "Church Lady" she was on "Saturday Night Live".

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"Christians are not perfect we are forgiven."

I guess this is why those upstanding 'men of the cloth' can continue to molest and sexually assault children... because they are forgiven.

uh, okay....

Do you really think those "men of the cloth" are really Christians? Maybe about as much as the Gov. of NY state was a crime fighter.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

You have to be Christian to understand it.

Have a nice day.

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"If READING a FEW numbers equates to "inundating," then mowing yards is likely a more beneficial occupation."

gosh denise.... That's NOT a very 'christiany' thing to say.

Feeling grumpy again?

whether or not something's "very 'christiany.'"

Feeling CRABBY again?

I had to go back up to the top and realize that the thread is about commuter rail and getting cars off the road, not crime {an entirely separate problem}. As for Denise, her credibility has been severely compromised since she has not been able to justify her beliefs with the "Golden Rule" she so devoutly espouses. As a famous professor once said.."She passes me by like the idle breezes". Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

I'm still waiting for some answers to my questions, ones that appeal to reason and not emotion (to quote you).

Again I ask, exactly which beliefs of mine am I required to "justify" to you so that they pass your judgment as being consistent with the Golden Rule, and when have I "devoutly espoused" the Golden Rule to you (or someone else)?

You never gave me examples of your claim:

"What I notice, sniff, is the way Denise always slips away when the discussion gets down to factual information that she cannot refute with invective and opinion. Only to appear later as if the entire thing never happened."

I'd like some "factual information," please, but I'd welcome your opinions also (just not a deluge of cut & paste).

BTW, which "tenets of conservatism" do you find to be "incompatible with Christianity"? Are there any that are compatible with Christianity?

I'll be away for a while ... so that you won't accuse me of "slipping away." I wouldn't want my credibility "severely compromised" any more than you already imagine it to be. Enjoy the breezes.

I wonder if your credibility has been "severely compromised" by the following:

Yardman “applauds” Sniffles’ statements:

“In short, I cannot think of any particular tenet of conservatism that I agree with” and “As a Christian, I find the basic tenets of conservatism to be incompatible with Christianity.”

“River already said that the tornadoes were sent to rid Atlanta of gays (I think 'queers' was the term he used).”

River didn't say that at all. Who are you talking about? Did his saying that he's an independent (although he has many Dem views) annoy you? Maybe you should try some of $$$$'s meds.

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"I had to go back up to the top and realize that the thread is about commuter rail and getting cars off the road, not crime {an entirely separate problem}."

What are you now, the Blog Monitor?

Better brush up on your READING SKILLS because there were 5 other posts on Thurs., 03/13/2008, BEFORE my Fri, 03/14/2008, reply to Hack's "Crime and mass transit."

• Robert W. Morgan: We are what we are because we are not touched by Marta or the interstate - two things tat provide the criminal element access to the county and a way to flee their crimes.

• lion: Mass transit does not equal crime. To think that is the case is just ignorance and racism.

• yardman5508: The thought of some guy checking out the train/bus schedule before robbing that convenience store is ludicrous.

• mudcat: Need secured parking for commuters cars or else the predators will break in or steal them.

Should your little goof affect your credibility?

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I'll look for your "Golden Rule" reference and answer later. Care to give me a hint about what you're talking about?

Why do you put Golden Rule inside quotation marks?

• Was it to signal that the words are not being used in their current commonly accepted sense?

• Was it to distance yourself from the terminology in question so as not to be associated with it or to indicate that it is one that you do not necessarily agree with?

• Were you attempting to call attention to ironic or apologetic words, using quotation marks “to provoke a negative association for the phrase,” “or at least a suspicion about the appropriateness or full truth that might be presumed if the quotes were omitted” (i.e., a less direct way of calling me a hypocrite)?

• Would you use air quotes if you had the courage to ask me face-to-face about my so-called beliefs (which is what your use of quotation marks indicates)?

Do you try to live by all of Christ’s commands, or just “don’t judge” (unless you're talking to a conservative, then judge, judge, judge) and the Golden Rule filtered through the social “gospel”? Do you practice the Golden Rule, with Dems, I mean, because I haven't noticed it much here? Do you "devoutly espouse" anything but the Dem Party line?

Since you like to ask me questions, I thought I’d ask you some, but I won’t hold my breath waiting for you to answer. Is being a liberal "merely an excuse to avoid answering tough questions"?

BTW, I’m still waiting for your answers to my questions in my post "Yardman, are you OK?” and the ones in this thread ("Yardman, you tell us").

It's her typical M.O. to start throwing out personal attacks when her back is to the wall. She is posting at the level of a 12 year old when she shifts into 'personal attack' mode.

It's also an indication that you've hit a nerve!

Good job, yard!

Ms Extreme's "guttural level of hate and venom"

Dense-ise - you're just sounding ridiculous at this point

Your posts are getting more and more... uh.... retarded, for lack of a better word. And regarding age, your post sounds like it was written by a 12 year old. Grow up please.

Hack - they love to stereotype, don't they...

Hairy-legged women who shop at Lane Bryant (actually, it sounds like
the typical Fayette County, card-carrying Republican women I see ranting at the PTO meetings or riding in the scooters through the aisles at Wal-Mart).

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We're all scratching our heads a bit, dense-ise, as to why you regurgitate OUR old posts when answering for yourself? Cat got your tongue? No original thought?

(btw...thanks for the walk down memory lane... I love those posts!)

"When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness." ~ Alexis de Tocqueville

I wouldn't want you to forget, but don't scratch your head too much. You might end up like a few other bloggers on here. Do you bike?

Don't need Tums. I'm not the one with digestive or anger problems.

And I wouldn't let a cat who thinks she's a lion get too close. Might have rabies.

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