Democrats press county for district voting

Tue, 03/04/2008 - 4:47pm
By: John Thompson

It was a night where seats were at a premium, and the passion in the meeting room was palpable. But now, after 200 passionate residents told the Fayette County Commission their thoughts about district voting, the measure will be decided at the General Assembly.

After watching the citizens speak out, Commission Chairman Jack Smith closed the meeting by urging residents to stay involved in the political process. Contacted Tuesday, Smith said the County Commission’s role in the ongoing debate is probably over.

“I really don’t know if we’re going to do anything. We have heard the residents and listened to their concerns,” he said.

In what has to be described as a first for this decade, the number of Democrats outnumbered the Republicans in the commission chamber, as they voiced their support of the bill authored by Reps. Virgil Fludd, Darryl Jordan and Roberta Abdul-Salaam, all Democrats representing portions of Fayette County.

The bill would keep five commission districts and would not go to a district voting method until 2010 for commissioners in districts 4 and 5. The other three districts would go to district voting in 2010.

Residents who favored district voting said it was a question of fairness.

“It is the essence of democracy for people to elect people that will represent them. We should be able to come to a reasonable compromise,” said Kevin Madden.

Democrat Madden was defeated by Republican Matt Ramsey in the December special election to fill the late Rep. Dan Lakly’s seat.

Lakly, a Peachtree City Republican, led the effort in the last legislative session to defeat district voting.

One of the compromises circulated was by Connie Biemiller, who is opposing Fludd in the Democratic primary. Biemiller supports a plan that would keep two districts at large and three districts would have district voting. That way, Biemiller said, residents would still be voting for a majority of the County Commission.

Fludd also addressed the commission and spoke about the objections he had heard about his proposal.

“People say it’s always been done this way, but who does it work for? At-large voting allows 51 percent of the people to control 100 percent of the seats,” he said.

Wendy Felton said people feel disenfranchised with at-large voting and said “their voices are not being heard.”

Peter Lewin, who is co-chair of the county’s Democratic Party, said this was not an issue that just came to light.

“We published our platform in The Citizen last November. It’s our number one issue,” he said.

While the district voting supporters came armed with signs, many other residents urged the County Commission to stay the course.

“I want all the commissioners to represent me,” said long-time Republican leader Marilyn Watts.

Former Chamber of Commerce President Mike Hofrichter said the county would be better served if Fludd sponsored a bill that limited the county’s representation in the General Assembly to two representatives and one senator.

“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it,” he said.

Currently, under a statewide redistricting change pushed by then-Democrat Gov. Roy Barnes, Fayette is represented by two senators and five representatives, all but one representing multiple counties.

Although Fayette has voted overwhelmingly in the GOP column for the past decade, the county is represented in the General Assembly by three Republicans and four Democrats.

Just one of the seven — Rep. Matt Ramsey (R-Peachtree City) — represents only Fayette residents. The other six have the majority of their constituents outside of Fayette.

The other GOP legislators are Sen. Ronnie Chance of Tyrone and Rep. John Yates of Griffin.

The district voting bill has not cleared the House and is in the second read status. It must crossover to the Senate by the 30th day of the session. Tuesday marked the 27th working day in the session.

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Submitted by MGChapman on Wed, 03/12/2008 - 10:46pm.

Liberals tend to define "fair" as anything that favors them. Check the demographics and I think you'll find that Fayette County is more than 51% Republican. If all 3 of the Democrats in Fayette County think it's wrong for the majority to elect county officials then they are not only in the wrong county, they are in the wrong country. If we start engaging in gerrymandering or other political hocus-pocus in the name of "fairness", it won't be long before Fayette County is a liberal utopia just like Clayton County, that bastion of "fairness" to the northeast...


Submitted by sageadvice on Thu, 03/13/2008 - 3:12am.

If that means all elected must be republican everywhere, then what will probably happen is that enough of those "other side" people will have to come into Fayette to be the 51%!
Might it not be better to elect some of both rather than all one way or the other?
Minority voters have some rights.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 03/13/2008 - 8:13am.

Let's put it to a vote. If the majority of Fayette County wants district voting then we should go with it.

The next fight will be where the district lines fall. It seems like the most fair would be to set up districts longitudinally moving west to east. That way the people with 10-20acre farms in south Fayette county will have the same voice as people in the little cities.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 03/13/2008 - 10:19am.

Georgia used to have the "one county, one vote" system (roughly analagous to the "one acre, one vote" you propose). It was deemed unconstitutional in the early 1960s, because it allowed the 8,000 voters of rural counties to cancel out the the 450,000 votes of urban counties.

The courts have said you have to base districts on population, that's why we have such a crazy patchwork coverage at the state level (thanks to the Republican party, who redistricted Fayette when they took power).


Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 03/13/2008 - 12:16pm.

I'm not proposing one acre, one vote. My first proposal is that we put the issue to a county wide vote.

My next proposal if district voting passes is that we run the district lines longitudianlly.

Instead of cutting the lines north and south, we run them from east to west. For example we would go from east of the clayton line for several miles and a portion of north fayette by riverdale and then a portion of Fayetteville, and parts of Woolsey would all be in the same district and move west.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Thu, 03/13/2008 - 5:00am.

Being in the minority means you and your ideas lost. Get it?

The Dems do this real well - look how Nancy and Harry run things when they are in charge - the Republican minority has no rights at all. Let's follow their fine example in Fayette County and let the grown-ups (in this case Republicans in a 90% Republican county) run things - which includes letting us vote for all our commissioners instead of 2 or 3. Better accountibility that way.

So sorry, but crossover day passed you by.


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 03/13/2008 - 10:14am.

When have minority voters have rights? Since 1776, my history-challenged friend!

The "Tyranny of the Majority" is not an absolute right. It is tempered by nothing less than the United States Constitution. This means that the majority can rule the government but it cannot do so by disenfranchising voters to ensure it's (the majority's) perpetuity.

Consider, for example, a nightmare scenario where Richard Hobbs, Denise Conner, and thebeaver are elected Fayette County Commissioners. They'd make up a majority of the council, right? Now, given their long-standing barely concealed hatred toward certain groups within Fayette County they immediately declare blacks, women and Jews to no longer be permitted to vote in county elections. They have the "right" to do so, being they are the "majority", right Robert? (Denise would, of course, exempt herself).

Of course, this would not survive a legal challenge, they'd be disenfranchising voters. The same principle holds true for our current unusual district voting. Two positions are now "at large" and three are for individual "districts". The courts have held that this hybrid schema is legally valid, it gives people a chance to vote for a "majority" (60%) of the commissioners. This, however, isn't enough for power-crazed commissioners and their wealthy developer backers. By negating distict residency requirements, the powers-that-be have essentially allowed the "majority" of people to potentially disenfranchise a minority of people by allowing people in district "A" to vote for a candidate in district "B" or "C". This is an essential dilution of voting strength and would likely not survive a court challenge.

Some people have proposed putting this on a ballot and letting voters decide. That, too, would likely not survive a Constitutional challenge. Voters cannot vote to potentially deprive and/or limit a constituency (racial, religious, geographical or otherwise).


Submitted by sageadvice on Thu, 03/13/2008 - 6:08am.

You sure are short-sighted for a "lawyer."
Every citizen has the same rights, and must be represented if their district votes that way! The reason for districts!
The majority does have the right to appoint our leaders, but they can not ignore individuals for any reason.

Seems to me that Bush's vetoes lately haven't been over-ridden by a super majority vote!

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Submitted by Tug13 on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 11:23am.

You said the number one issue for the Fayette Democratic Party is district voting. ??
I'm having a hard time with that being number one.


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Submitted by yardman5508 on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 1:15pm.

it was listed as number one by those who were involved in the platform process. Being the party of the people, we are open to any and all suggestions to improve our representation of the voters of Fayette County. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 11:28am.

Mark your calendars, folks, I'm agreeing with Tug and disagreeing with the Yardman! (Somewhere a seal is breaking! Sticking out tongue )

While I agree that district voting is a very important issue in this county, I disagree that it is THE most important issue.

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Submitted by jokerman on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 2:45pm.

Jesus was certainly no liberal in the modern sense. Giving to charities is one thing, but it is completely different from forced taxation to give to those who won't work. If a person wants to give and be charitable, that is well and good. But the Scripture says, if a man won't work, he shouldn't eat. Giving should be done from the heart, out of one's free will. And having read the Bible, I can say with confidence that he wouldn't have approved with very much of the social agenda that is propagated in modern liberal political parties.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 4:56pm.

"The New Testament is a liberal's paradise; almost every principle espoused in it is one that liberals -- not conservatives --espouse today. (The only exceptions are its pronouncements on divorce, sexuality and slavery.) The Old Testament, however, is a conservative haven, filled with pronouncements favoring war, slavery, theocracy, monarchy, wealth accumulation, capital punishment, extreme female submission and more. Interestingly, however, the Old Testament is sexually permissive. Attempting to use the Bible to justify their modern beliefs therefore poses significant challenges to Christian conservatives."

JESUS WAS A LIBERAL HIPPIE


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 7:01pm.

And every other oddball religion and cult that can be brought under her cult's wing.? Puzzled

Main Stream, your moniker is underserving. That has got to be the worst post you've ever regurgitated onto these blogs. Next time, please think for yourself before you C&P something as ridiculous as what you plopped up there. Good grief.... the more you post the less credibility you display. Typical liberalism.

I suppose you'll be jumping on THIS BANDWAGON NEXT?
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Submitted by Main Stream on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 8:00pm.

I don't embrace ANY religion, if you must know. However, after careful study and investigation of my beliefs, over the years, I've come to the conclusion that I may be a Deist or even a Pantheist, or maybe somewhere in between. I'm still learning (something you should try sometime).

Sorry you didn't like my C&P but the wording was perfect and exactly what I would have written, if I had more time to do so. And I think Jesus would have approved of those 'liberal' characteristics, in my post!

Now, for more important matters - AMERICAN IDOL IS ON!!!!

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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 8:19pm.

Sorry you didn't like my C&P but the wording was perfect and exactly what I would have written, if I had more time to do so. And I think Jesus would have approved of those 'liberal' characteristics, in my post!

Now, for more important matters - AMERICAN IDOL IS ON!!!!

Since I believe you to be fair,inclusive,tolerant, etc. Does your above statement mean you're going to quite insulting Denise's C&P since (to quote you) [it's] exactly what I would have written, if I had more time to do so.

Thanks for showing such understanding. I'll let you get back to your idols.

BTW--And I think Jesus would have approved of those 'liberal' characteristics, in my post!

Your rarely have to wonder what Jesus would think when you can read what he does think

Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Eph 4:28

This is the way to blog!


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Submitted by TruthSleuth1958 on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 5:47pm.

You are really this clueless: "The New Testament is a liberal's paradise; almost every principle espoused in it is one that liberals -- not conservatives--espouse today. (The only exceptions are its pronouncements on divorce, sexuality and slavery.)

"The Old Testament, however, is a conservative haven, filled with pronouncements favoring war, slavery, theocracy, monarchy, wealth accumulation, capital punishment, extreme female submission and more. Interestingly, however, the Old Testament is sexually permissive. Attempting to use the Bible to justify their modern beliefs therefore poses significant challenges to Christian conservatives."

Are you truly this closed minded, bigoted and ignorant? Is this what your parent(s) taught you? Conservatives are evil! Conservatives are the incubus! Conservative children are imps. Jews are bloodthirsty! Whites are 'blue eyed devils' ... Is this what you teach your children? You TRULY scare me. Say, do you go to church with Obama?

Sniffles05 The Plagiarizer in Chief
Sniffles05:Angry and often proven wrong.


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 7:03pm.

You've been called worse by better. Your attackers are really starting to expose themselves now. Shocked

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Submitted by TruthSleuth1958 on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 7:16pm.

Desperation and fear my friend .... smells a bit like they are worried about old Hillderbeast derailing Hussein ... or perhaps it's just buyers remorse... or maybe, just maybe, they see John McCain 'stealing' the election ... and just when they thought had bamboozled the masses!!!

Sniffles05 The Plagiarizer in Chief
Sniffles05:Angry and often proven wrong.


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 7:44pm.

Washington Post

Ask Tough Questions? Yes, They Can!

By Dana Milbank
Tuesday, March 4, 2008; A02

SAN ANTONIO It took many months and the mockery of "Saturday Night Live" to make it happen, but the lumbering beast that is the press corps finally roused itself from its slumber Monday and greeted Barack Obama with a menacing growl.

The day before primaries in Ohio and Texas that could effectively seal the Democratic presidential nomination for him, a smiling Obama strode out to a news conference at a veterans facility here. But the grin was quickly replaced by the surprised look of a man bitten by his own dog.

Reporters from the Associated Press and Reuters went after him for his false denial that a campaign aide had held a secret meeting with Canadian officials over Obama's trade policy. A trio of Chicago reporters pummeled him with questions about the corruption trial this week of a friend and supporter. The New York Post piled on with a question about him losing the Jewish vote.

Obama responded with the classic phrases of a politician in trouble. "That was the information that I had at the time. . . . Those charges are completely unrelated to me. . . . I have said that that was a mistake. . . . The fact pattern remains unchanged."

When those failed, Obama tried another approach. "We're running late," the candidate said, and then he disappeared behind a curtain.

Before he beat his hasty retreat, however, Obama found time to assign blame for the tough questions suddenly coming his way. "The Clinton campaign has been true to its word in employing a 'kitchen sink' strategy," he protested. "There are, what, three or four things a day?"

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Now that the honeymoon is about to be over, and the real race beginning, Obama will finally have some heat put on him. This is where we'll find out what this guy really stands for and who he really is. McCain has been around and we know his warts and bad habits. Barak Hussein Obama's 'coming out party' is only beginning. Smiling

To change the subject a little bit; how about Hussein's chatty wife's latest statement? In a New Yorker profile, she is quoted in a stump speech made throughout South Carolina as characterizing America as "just downright mean." At least Hack isn't voting for her.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 8:32pm.

The honeymoon for Obama has finally ended and he now gets to receive "the treatment" from the media that every other candidate usually gets a lot sooner. This happens when you go from underdog to front-runner, and now the underdog is Shillary and suddenly she's got some momentum. Repubs have to be loving this because it isn't going to be pretty as the race lengthens a lot, the "super delegates" start to flip-flop some more(maybe marble-mouth John Lewis will switch back to Shillary now), the controversy over excluding the renegade states of FL and Michigan, etc. etc. As usual, the Dems love to have themselves some bloody primary battles and loads of drama.

NUK


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 8:01pm.

"Not Much Time Left For Bamboozling The Masses Unchallenged

You are correct. 320 days, to be exact.
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Don't Click This Link, Denise!


Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 3:26pm.

Does "work" to you mean actual hard labor, or being on someone's payroll?
Are the following positions "work" or just getting paid for answering questions?

Politicians
Preachers
Televangelists
Priests
Bank executives
Oil company executives
Civil servants
People who call you on the phone with bargains
Ditch diggers
Trash collectors
Illegal aliens
Talking to fellow workers--non-job
People on auto assembly lines
All those people standing around California fires
or:
Do you consider people who get rich without working, "working?"
It must be assumed that a person should give his employer a fair day's work for a fair day's pay!

As to Jesus, I suppose he was fed by family and friends as he traveled---needing no money. I don't think he worked and earned any.
I doubt if his family paid him either for working at home.

Just want to be sure you understand what work means!

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Submitted by Tug13 on Wed, 03/05/2008 - 11:42am.

Picking myself up off of the floor. Yikes! You agree with ME?
Who would have guessed.

Smiling


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