C'mon Jeff, you need to keep up to speed on your slurs. You mentioned Joseph McCarthy as being an example of right wing nuts, and yet, I guess you never grasped the news that came out of the Verona project.

As the Cold War died out and the Soviet Union Collapsed, (you remember, your father destroyed them by refusing to go to the Olympics in 1980?), well when those secret files were released, guess what, it turns out old Joe was more right than he was wrong. You've heard the name of Algier Hiss haven't you.

So don't go citing 1970's and 1980's Democratic talking points to debate Barack's upbringing.

As to the nuts that you mentioned that endorsed McCain. Well, isn't that sweet. You have used examples of right wingers who have had no real dealings with McCain as an example to compare him to Farrakan who has had intimate dealing with Barack and with his Church and most imporantly, with his philosphy of life.

Do you deny that Barack's Mentor, mentioned by Barack in his book clearly was a Communist? Do you deny that his mentor was a devote racists and advocated any means necessary to overcome the power of the white devils.

And finally, you libs never cease to amaze me on how you reinvent the meaning of words. You've now used the term "Swift Boat" as if its a negative. In fact, it's definition is to tell the whole truth. I donated pretty heavily to those men who saw Kerry for the sniveling coward and jackass that he was.

So, if you are suggesting that I am Swift Boating Obama, then all I can say is thank you.

What I think you mean, though, is that you are going to attempt to use the term swift boat as a negative or slur. Libs use this term to attempt to "change" the argument away from the facts, and to highlight the accusor's motives. You are starting to sound so much like Hillary, you know, its the "right wing conspiracy" that behind all of this.

Heck, as this thing panders out, I can guarantee that Hillary will be pulling the lever for John McCain, cuz she sure doesn't want to gamble in having to wait 8 more years to be President.

Are you sure you and your dad aren't pulling for Obama for no other reason than in your hope against hope, that he will fall on his face and will take over your dad's place in history as being the biggest disappointment ever elected to the White House?

Just wondering.

Or, to quote you:

"the sniveling coward and jackass that he was."
Just insert "I am" for "he was". Is it possible for you to:

1. Stay on track with the argument being made or

2. Make reasonable arguments that don't end up in purely personal attacks. I would think that an illusion of manhood such as yourself would try to steer clear of such pointless and personal critiques. Jeff is more of a gentleman to you than I can understand, and you still argue like a spoiled teenager. Hence the "illusion of manhood" comment.

Alas, I'll give you a prism through which to view your quote below:

"However, and here is where it gets interesting, even though you can "reject or denounce" such endorsements, the mere fact that someone with the sensitivities and desires such as a Farrakan, would want to actually endorse Barack, tells much more about who Barack really is."

In polls conducted globally of industrialized countries, the vast majority preferred a democratic president in the US. RUSSIA, yes, the former USSR was one of two countries that favored a Republican US president. Yes, Richard, that does tell us a great deal about the Republicans does it not?

Kevin "Hack" King

Actually Hack, I think JeffC handles himself fairly well. If I'm not mistaken, we've conversed publically about how he can dish it out and more importantly "take it". I guess 30 years of being in the public eye has hardened his skin a great deal. JeffC clearly has more control over his emotions than does thou.

Regarding whether a dozen socialists/facist nations happen to prefer one of their own in the White House, proves nothing. If it does, then I'd dare say that the same conclusion would also come from the fact that all third world islamist nations prefer a Democratic control in Washington, as well.

Go Barack Hussien Obama!

“You have used examples of right wingers who have had no real dealings with McCain as an example to compare him to Farrakan who has had intimate dealing with Barack and with his Church and most imporantly, with his philosphy of life.”

Show me the money!

Show me where Farrakhan has had intimate dealings with Barack or his philosophy of life? Do you just make this stuff up as you go or is there some secret right-wing web site that you get these fantastic ideas from?

I’ll be awaiting your connections between Farrakhan and Obama. Surely you would not have made the charge without something somewhere to back it up.

You and Ann Coulter! The only two admirers of old Joe left. Enjoy the company.

Swiftboating a negative? Earth to Richard! Here is the common definition: “Swiftboating: American political jargon that is used (primarily) as a strong pejorative description of some kind of attack that the speaker considers unfair or untrue—for example, an ad hominem attack or a smear campaign.”

Check it out:

Swiftboating

The very fact that you supported it so strongly should have given you a clue that it was part of a smear campaign.

Nope. Sorry. It looks like y’all are going to have to have an election on issues instead of innuendo and smears. I can see why that frightens you since it will be unknown territory for your side. But you can have change you can believe in.

Richard, you are the change you have been waiting for!

Okay Jeff, so you think that Obama has no ties at all with Farrakhan, ergo, I'm swiftboating him, a perjorative Democratic term.

This is because I have "no connections" between Obama and Farrakhan.

Lets begin this diatribe by first recognizing that Obama has been getting ready for a White House run for many, many years. I doubt as far back as Kindergarten, unless Hillary's accusations are true, but he has been carefully grooming himself to be seen by the right people.

In Chicago, the place to be seen at, naturally was at a huge Black Church which champeoned the rights of the black man over the oppressive system created by the white man. Again, you never told me where Diasporia was.

Anyway, Obama has repeatedly talked about his connection to his church and of how important it was to him and his family.

His dear friend and likely mentor, the esteemed Rev. Wright was deemed to be too hot to handle though, so last year, when Obama announced his run for the White House, Obama surrounded himself with white ministers, and asked Rev. Wright to stay at home.

Nonetheless, as you mentioned I have no real connection direcly showing Obama standing on stage and speaking words endorsing Farrakhan's bigotry. True enough.

But, apparently Obama was more than comfortable to take a leadership role in his own church by standing up and denouncing Farrakhan when his church and the Rev. Wright gave Farrakhan a "Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer" Award at the 2007 Trumpet Gala at the United Church of Christ. No, wait, your Obama didn't stand up and denounce him. Gees, I know he would have, but at that time, it wasn't politically expedient to denounce him.

You see Jeff, when you are running to be the candidate of the liberal left, you sleep with the ones that brung you. And when you have won that victory, you immediately shift over to a more moderate position, and that is to denounce Farrakhan on National Television. I'm sure as soon as he got off the stage on Tuesday night, Obama was reassuring Farrakhan with a wink, wink, nod, nod.

Don't play me as a fool. This is politics. I know it, you know it. We all know it. Obama is a leftist, facists, and his strongest supporters are coming from the extreme fringe of your party. He's a pretty boy with charisma. Seems to me Karl Marx was a great speaker too.

You are launching an attack that is unfair or untrue, swiftboating, a smear campaign.

You wrote, and I quote here: “You have used examples of right wingers who have had no real dealings with McCain as an example to compare him to Farrakan who has had intimate dealing with Barack and with his Church and most imporantly, with his philosphy of life.”

When I challenged you to back that up that astounding charge you come back with this: “Nonetheless, as you mentioned I have no real connection directly showing Obama standing on stage and speaking words endorsing Farrakhan's bigotry. True enough.”

In other words, I was totally right and you were totally making up stuff out of thin air with absolutely no basis in fact and hoping nobody would notice. Then, instead of admitting that you were making the whole thing up you are charging Obama with “I'm sure as soon as he got off the stage on Tuesday night, Obama was reassuring Farrakhan with a wink, wink, nod, nod.”

Another absolutely total fabrication that exist only in your mind because it is necessary to justify your position for you to imagine scenarios whereby what you wish to be true, are true, regardless of what is happening in what they rest of the world perceives as reality.

You have also said here that: “You have used examples of right wingers who have had no real dealings with McCain…” complaining about me pointing out McCain’s seeking out the endorsement of Hagee.

Here is a link to McCain sucking up to Hagee saying this:

Asked about Mr. Hagee’s extensive writings on Armageddon and about what one questioner said was Mr. Hagee’s belief that the anti-Christ will be the head of the European Union, Mr. McCain responded that “all I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee’s support.'’

Mega-Church Pastor in Texas Backs McCain

Your guy is practically falling all over himself to shove his head up this bigot’s you know what.

Here is the press release from the Catholic League denouncing McCain for fawning over Hagee and his endorsement:

McCAIN EMBRACES BIGOT

Here is Hagee’s filth, slandering the Catholic Church in the vilest terms, in his own words on video:

John Hagee preaches anti-Catholicism

So far Richard, it seems that you are willing to overlook the fact that your guy is embracing an anti-Catholic bigot with open arms, shamefully begging for and accepting his endorsement while at the same time smearing my guy with shear fabrications not a one of which you can back up with even the remotest semblance of a fact.

A totally fabricated smear. The very essence of swiftboating.

Finally, to top it all off, you accuse Obama of being a fascists and liken him to Marx solely because Marx could give a good speech?

Thin gruel Richard, thin gruel. I won’t even bother asking for you to back that up since we both know that you could not possibly do it.

I am sympathetic to your plight though. It must be terrible to be up against a candidate that you cannot merely smear with the basest of lies and innuendo that has worked so well for your Party in the past.

Richard, I feel your pain.

The important difference I see in all this is that McCain embraced Hagee and his endorsement, while Obama denounced Farrakhan's endorsement.

I had never even heard of Hagee until he endorsed McCain. The YouTube videos and the articles are rather scary in that he actually wants to bring on Armageddon, by bombing Iran! And McCain actually embraces this guy, instead of denouncing his endorsement?

Sick, sick, sick.

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MCCAIN ON INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMACY

I am not saying this in support of any candidate, but here is a question to all out there in blog worlds. Do you believe everything you read in text or quotation marks? I am not saying this in support of McCain, Lord knows he isn't any better than any other candidate out there. I just figured out a long time ago that alot of what is on the internet is twisted truth or just plain lies with an official looking header at the top of the web page. Oh yea, both Hagee and Farrakhn are complete nut jobs.I say lock them both up in a rubber room and lets crack a beer see what happens. Good Friday night fun.

I try to keep an open mind when I start reading some of the headlines I see online or in print. The technological phenomenon of the internet, for me, is that there is so much information at my fingertips that enables me to make a sound judgment, after some investigation.

The Hagee story, for me, is rather troubling after viewing the story Bill Moyer's ran on him, which is now posted on YouTube. And I'm really puzzled as to why McCain would embrace this guy. I have respect for McCain and find him the least offensive of any of the Repub. candidates, however, McCain is portraying bad judgment by NOT distancing himself from Hagee, in my opinion.

Hagee opposes Bush's "roadmap for peace" because it is "not biblically sound" and asks Bush to consider a "preemptive strike" against Iran (minute 3:41 on the youtube video). This vid even shows Georgia's Lynn Westmoreland jumping on the band wagon! Hagee calls all his horrific requests and lobbying in Congress the "Racetrack to Armageddon" which will bring on Ezekiel's War(?).

Hagee is one of the most disturbing televangelists/preachers that I have seen in a while, and NOT because of his beliefs, but because of the people in power that he is influencing, like McCain, Lieberman, Gingrich, Blount and even Westmoreland.

I wonder if real estate is cheap in Australia? If this crap continues, it really will bring on WWIII, and some of us may need a place to watch all the nuclear fireworks, from a distance.

HAGEE: STRIKE IRAN FOR ISRAEL

Knows nothing except food! Have you seen his son and wife?

As do all televangelists, Hagee knows what his clients want to hear: protect the Jews! Because they are agin the Muslims.

All this stuff about wanting to re- fight 5000 year old wars is intriguing, but useless to us today.

Anyway, didn't Christians drop the Old Testament for the new covenant?

If Hagge wants to be a Jew, he simply should get his cap, learn the Torah, and go for it.

This may be a little too close.

Everyone says New Zealand is nice.

Jeffc, you doth protest WAY too much. The main stream media labeled the treatment of Kerry as a “smear” and you bought right in to it. It wasn’t a smear. It was a collection of memories of service members who served with John Kerry. And their opinions carry a lot of weight. And the outcome of the 2004 election proved that it mattered to most people. It was not a smear. The purpose was to reveal the truth about John Kerry’s service. Because Kerry had repeatedly misrepresented his military service, these noble veterans set the record straight. And they should be applauded for doing so.
Here is my OPINION and blunt assessment of John Kerry. He joined the Navy after graduating from Yale to punch his “I’ve served in the military” ticket. It is the same thing Joe Kennedy told Jack Kennedy (Kerry’s self-proclaimed personal hero – see his website) to do. After all, Kerry had political ambitions.
Problem was his fellow sailors saw Kerry for what he was - an Ivy league college educated elitist snob who was in Vietnam for self-serving reasons. Kerry put himself in for his first Purple Heart (from a self- inflicted wound from shrapnel from a misfired grenade he launched himself!) and his commander refused to accept it. Kerry went to VietNam to punch a ticket. And he did it in less than five months. His fellow service members even suggested that he apply for the early trip home after his third Purple Heart (in four months). Why? Because they wanted him GONE. And Kerry requested the transfer.
From my point of view, it seems obvious to me that Kerry was spurned by his fellow Sailors because they saw right through him, and wanted NOTHING to do with him. A self-serving officer has no place as a leader of men. And John Kerry, like a spoiled spurned brat, did the only thing he could do in revenge - turned on the men that spurned him. That’s why he testified against the VietNam war in front of Congress. And like an old grudge, Kerry has NEVER forgotten it. To this day he hates the military. Just listen to his rhetoric during the early days of the war in Iraq – he claimed our Soldiers were terrorizing innocent women and children, etc. It just proves that John Kerry still has an enormous chip on his shoulder.
Witness his marriage to nightmare Theresa Heinz. Yet another example of John Kerry’s opportunistic, self-serving agenda. And the American people saw right through it, too. Which is why Kerry is not our President today.
John Kerry’s website lauds the fact that he received the nation’s fifth highest medal (the Silver Star) for his service in VietNam. Yet his fellow Sailors saw the events and action that day in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY than was written up in the Silver Star award narrative. Wonder who wrote it?
Personally, I am a recently retired service member with 30 years of service and am a recipient of the nation’s fourth highest medal. And I trust that the memories of Soldiers I served would be a valid and truthful representation of my service to this great nation.
But at the end of the day, they are all just opinions. The reader has to take measure of them based on their own experience. And from my reading of John Kerry’s bio, and the Swift Boat Vet accounts, it is easy to see who is telling the truth and who is misrepresenting it. John Kerry is not to be trusted.

And as much as you would like to label "swiftboating" as a smear, others see it as revealing the truth.

From the other side of the tracks

let us just say, for arguments sake, that you have disposed of Kerry as a candidate based on his war record, or lack there of. So now you have to vote for president...and then you turn around and vote for a man whose statements concerning his service record are, to say the least, fuzzy? Sometimes I have a difficult time following your thinking, sorry. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

"Because Kerry had repeatedly misrepresented his military service, these noble veterans set the record straight. And they should be applauded for doing so."

Otherside of the trax, three questions:

1. What did the men who were actually on John Kerry's swift boat say about his accounts? If you have such strong opinions, I hope they are formed by fact. Certainly you know what all but one of the men on John Kerry's actual boat said.

2. If John Kerry went to Vietnam for purely self-fulfilling political reasons, how do you determine which veterans to give fake hollow praise and which to minimize their contribution by "swift boating" them?

3. What are you going to do when you figure out no one is voting for John Kerry this presidential election?

Kevin "Hack" King

We are talking about "swiftboating". Next time, try reading all of the previous posts first, so you can add something meaningful to the debate, instead of posting meaningless drivel.

From the other side of the tracks

"3. What are you going to do when you figure out no one is voting for John Kerry this presidential election?"

Touche', my friend, touche'

The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was formed by about 200 veterans virtually none of whom ever served with or even met Kerry. But many of its representatives were major donors to the Republican Party and the 2004 Bush/Cheney presidential campaign.

The group smeared Kerry with lies and innuendo because they did not like his testimony before Congress after he returned from Vietnam.

Republican Senator John McCain said at the time, "I condemn the [SBVT] ad. It is dishonest and dishonorable. I think it is very, very wrong"

The New York Times: "…on close examination, the accounts of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth prove to be riddled with inconsistencies."

ABC News's The Note, "…the Swift Boat ad and their primary charges about Kerry's medals are personal, negative, extremely suspect, or false."

Regarding the medal dispute, a Los Angeles Times editorial stated, "Not limited by the conventions of our colleagues in the newsroom, we can say it outright: These charges against John Kerry are false. Kerry is backed by almost all those who witnessed the events in question, as well as by documentation."

The Washington Post reported: "An investigation by The Washington Post into what happened that day suggests that both sides have withheld information from the public record and provided an incomplete, and sometimes inaccurate, picture of what took place. But although Kerry's accusers have succeeded in raising doubts about his war record, they have failed to come up with sufficient evidence to prove him a liar."

I did a Google search on “swiftboating” and virtually every single instance and reference fits with the Wiki definition: American political jargon that is used (primarily) as a strong pejorative description of some kind of attack that the speaker considers unfair or untrue—for example, an ad hominem attack or a smear campaign.

Everybody knows what “swiftboating” is and everybody knows why it means what it means.

And as proof you trot out the NY Times, ABC News, LA Times and the Washington Post???????????????

Excuse me while I laugh my butt off. You have shown your true liberal colors here Jeff.

And the fact that you put trust in these liberal RAGs tells me all I need to know.

You don't have an opinion or any facts. Just somone else's opinion (the NY Times and Wash Posts's).
You just swiftboated yourself. . . and that means . . . you revealed the TRUTH about yourself.

From the other side of the tracks

Yeah, yeah, I know. The largest news organizations in the country are all in a left-wing conspiracy to deny the truth from being published. In fact all of them, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Washington Post, New York Times, Chicago Tribune, L. A. Times, MSNBC, Time, Newsweek, etc. etc. are all involved in a liberal conspiracy of lies except for NewsMax and FOX.

Do you realize how that sounds to those of us out here in the reality based world?

Wow. You claim to be living in a reality based world.

Do you realize how amazingly self-deluded that sounds . . .

Sorry, but conspiracy theories are your side's stock in trade, not mine.

Everyone knows the MSM is liberally biased. Are you seroiusly claiming that's not true???

From the other side of the tracks

dragging me down into the dumbgeon.

You do realize that Fox News, the only believable News organization for your brethren, would have us believe that Mark Foley was a democrat, Larry Craig was a democrat, John McCain was a democrat (back in January), and Americans massacred Nazis at Malmaday. There is so much top spin on Fox's News coverage that it bounces sideways when it hits my livingroom floor. I remember the morning show clowns saying the Clinton's dog committed suicide after workers in their home left their door open and it was hit by a car after escaping. Oh yes, that's serious journalism mon'.

So tell me oh desparate Republican, why should I vote for John McCain (eg 4 more years of Bush)?

Kevin "Hack" King

The same reasons I will, Hillary and Hussein. I will "bite the bullet" and vote for McCain just in hopes that he will be able to save us from having another liberal being replaced by another "to heck with the Constitution" liberal. And, I don't think I could stand to see another four years of distain and disrespect for our military like we had in the 1990's.

you are there by choice, and that's where you remain . . .

From the other side of the tracks

I tried to cheer you up with music.

My Opinion:

Best President: George W. Bush is still in office- still President!

Sorry, you have to live with it until Obama gets in- then I have to live with that.

As, I have said before- I have great concerns- I pray for every President and that will include Obama.

BTW- Everyone knows MSM is liberally biased. Everyone!

So, I don't bother with MSM, I don't see their views- it's my opinion and freedom- as it is yours.

Have a nice evening.

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We Will Stand

"Best President: George W. Bush is still in office- still President!"

Yep, I truly believe you when you say you don't follow the MSM. Remember when you were thinking Barack refused to salute the flag? Wonder why so many of your fellow conservatives still think Obama is a Muslim?

Wonder why you are probably the only person on Earth who thinks GWB is the best we have ever seen? (Lincoln, JFK, Reagan, FDR?)

BPR, we are doing the dollar value limbo (just how low can it go now) and the deficit high jump (and soaring to never before seen heights there.) If this is the best we have ever seen out of a President, please give me facts to back that opinion up.

Good night and I wish you good luck with that task

Kevin "Hack" King

Obama on Iraq war vote

"Obama criticized Clinton expressly for failing to read the classified National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's weapons capabilities, a report available at the time of her October 2002 vote authorizing the Iraq war. "She didn't give diplomacy a chance. And to this day, she won't even admit that her vote was a mistake - or even that it was a vote for war," Obama said.

"When it came time to make the most important foreign policy decision of our generation the decision to invade Iraq Senator Clinton got it wrong," Obama said.
He said that Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a fellow Democrat from neighboring West Virginia, had read the intelligence estimate as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee and had voted against the war resolution. Rockefeller, who is now chairman of that committee, endorsed Obama on Friday and campaigned with him on Saturday.
Rockefeller called Obama "brilliant" and "well grounded" and prepared to take the reins as commander in chief.

Obama is isn't that brilliant. As this role call shows, Rockefeller voted FOR the war.

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 107th Congress - 2nd Session - On the Joint Resolution (H.J.Res. 114 )

Barack Obama is a human featherball -- a slick, smiling, substance-free empty suit who excites gullible dimwits by repeating the words “change,” “unity,” and “hope” over and over --

Hope you are doing well and feeling better, I read what happened and I am sorry about the accident.

Every time I bring up President George W. Bush you ask me these questions. I think you don't like him for a President as much as I am not going to like Obama-

I told you several times I have my list- I will not share them on here, and I don't know how to get your answers to you.

We all have our opinions. We need to be respectful and civil- and I am doing this with respect.

Just a question?

Click here. What is this about?

Click here
Thank you Hack.

Have a good day,

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We Will Stand

It is not my claim other_side. The Bush administration put me there to distinguish me from their supporters (that would be you). It comes from an article entitled, Without a Doubt, By Ron Suskind in (gasp) The New York Times, 17 October 2004. here it is in part:

In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend - but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

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"President Bush talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years. Maybe a hundred, that's fine with me. I don't think Americans are concerned if we're there for a hundred years, or a thousand years, or ten thousand years." John McCain

Just like the other challenge I made to you reference Guantanamo detainees - no reply from Jeffc -

It's easy to sit back and opine. But when you go against someone tetsed by years of actual front line experience, you disappear.

You just swiftboated yourself .
From the other side of the tracks

Perhaps you should try picking on someone who can actually use his opposing thumbs to grasp fact and reality and then use those facts and that reality to construct a coherent argument. Or, you can keep pimp slapping Richard around. I'm quite enjoying it. Man oh man! You are like Mel Gibson in Braveheart (without the drunken anti-semitic rant of course).

Cheers, and show this ummm... "man" some mercy!

Kevin "Hack" King

At least you nicknamed yourself appropriately. Get a clue!

From the other side of the tracks

Wait I forgot. You earned your nickname (got it from other pilots). Guess they know you all too well!!!!!
From the other side of the tracks

The cotton candy post of the day! It looks like it has substance, but you so much as taste it, and it dissolves into oblivion. I present to you, the dillusional warrior "tested by actual front line experience [not to be confused with John Kerry's actual front line experience]"

Other side of the traxxxxxxxx!!!!!! (play applause track from Faux News now)

I present to you: The Cotton Candy of the day!

"It's easy to sit back and opine. But when you go against someone tetsed by years of actual front line experience, you disappear.

You just swiftboated yourself .
From the other side of the tracks"

Kevin "Hack" King

Something that you're having some difficulty with!

"Jeff": "Really Denise, if you read this and care to respond in the future, you should do your own homework and know or semi-know what you're for or against (and why) to the point of defending it beyond one post. Sometimes, using facts will help, especially if they are on your side. Study Richard Hobbs blogs."

Maybe you're both having difficulty because you don't know how to study -- mental exercise.

Thanks Jeffc, Feeling my pain, is something liberals enjoy doing very much.

Doing something about it, . . . not so much. (Besides, I may be wrong, but I sense that you are really just enjoying my pain, and not really feeling it. Say it ain't so!)

You've got to admit, this is sort of fun. As I've said repeatedly, this is going to make 2000 look like a love fest.

Too much to reply to in these long diatribes that you and I enjoy. Lets see if Cal will give us front page space to banter back and forth.

Anyway, two points I'd like to highlight from your comments.
1.) Swiftboating, and your definition derived from Wikimedi.org and
2.) Wink, Wink, Nudge, Nudge

1.) I contend, and am proud, of the term swift boating. You consider it a pejorative term only used as a negative. I again believe the truth is more important than your spin. The wikimedia you cited is below:
"as a strong pejorative description of some kind of attack that the speaker considers unfair or untrue."

The way I read this, is that the "speaker" considers the attack untrue. No where does it say the attack was inaccurate, just that the accused didn't like it. Almost like that Clayton County School Board member, who on Monday decried the lies about him living outside of his district, and on Thursday he's arrested in Marietta while fighting with his homosexual live in boyfriend. "Me thinks he doth protesteth too much." Therefore, again, I gratefully accept your promotion of me to Admiral. (I'm not that good of a swimmer though.)
So I expect everything that you don't want to be true, is nothing more than a swift boat attack. So, I'll wear the stars with pride.

2.) Regarding Obama's left handed denouncement of Farrakhan
You suggest that I have no proof of that. Well again, isn't that the purpose of doing a wink, wink, nudge, nudge? So, to determine if Obama would do this to one of his most loyal supporters, I need only look at his prior behavior. I'd only have to look at the pattern of dishonesty in the Obama campaign and remind you of his recent debate in Ohio wherein he slammed Nafta. At the same time, his senior staff is talking to Canadian authorities, and assuring them that he doesn't really mean what he is saying, for them to pay it no mind.

So if he's going to "wink,wink, nudge, nudge" with an entire country, such as Canada, during a campaign over Nafta, then why not over his intimate support of Farrakhan over much more controversial issues?

A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat.

This information can be found on a LEFT WING website. Obama lies to Canada or Ohio on Nafta

Oh, and I'm still waiting on Obama to fulfill his promise given when he didn't think he had a half chance to win, when he agreed to only accept public funding during the general election. In the poker world we call that a tell.

In the poker world that is a HUGE tell.

Keep tellin' it like it is.

Give up Jeff, you've been way out done!!!!

From the other side of the tracks

Fortunately, you were spared the pain and embarrassment of having your last piece published on the front page because after you slurred Obama by claiming a “pattern of dishonesty” regarding the NAFTA/Canada issue (which I had not heard of) I actually read the article you referred to. Something you apparently never did.

Here’s what it said:

A spokesman for the Canadian Embassy to the United States, Tristan Landry, flatly denied the CTV report that a senior Obama aide had told the Canadian ambassador not to take seriously Obama’s denunciations of NAFTA. “None of the presidential campaigns have called either the ambassador or any of the officials here to raise NAFTA,” Landry said. He said there had been no conversations at all on the subject. “We didn’t make any calls, they didn’t call us,” Landry said. “There is no story as far as we’re concerned,” he said.

The Canadian Embassy also issued a statement disputing the story:

“The Canadian Embassy confirms that at no time has any member of a presidential campaign called the Canadian Ambassador or any official at the Embassy to discuss NAFTA. Last night, the Canadian television network CTV falsely reported that such calls had been made. That story is untrue. Neither before nor since the Ohio debate has any presidential campaign called Ambassador Wilson or the embassy to raise NAFTA.”

I will give you credit for one aspect of the story though; the article makes a very strong argument against automatically believing “spokes people” with its list of liars the Bush administration has had as official spokespeople.

Turns out CTV is now backing away from the story too:

Anatomy of a smear: Obama and NAFTA

So it seems that this charge has just a little more merit than your original allegation that “…Farrakhan who has had intimate dealing with Barack and with his Church and most importantly, with his philosophy of life” which you just totally fabricated out of thin air. At least this baseless charge had been printed somewhere.

As to “swiftboating” of course it is a pejorative term only used as a negative. Its connotation is “to smear”. Maybe you can find an instance where the word was used to mean something else. I couldn’t.

However, moving on…

Can you actually produce a reference that Obama said he would only accept public funding? All I can find is exactly what he claims: that he agreed to work out an agreement with the Republican nominee. Poor McCain. Soon he will be filing lawsuits and begging and whining as to how unfair the law he wrote is to him and his campaign and how the law he so carefully crafted shouldn’t apply to him.

We call that being hoisted by his own petard.

I’m going to enjoy, oops… I mean feel, his pain too!

You have an interesting perspective and understanding of politics.

My question is, are not all presidential candidates beholden to someone, or some special interest group?

Of course my assumption is that they are indeed beholden to someone. That is why I am concerned about Louis Farrakhans endorsement of obama. Your explaination of that really does make sense. It's just that cycnical part of me that says where there is smoke, there is definitly fire.

I don't think I'm the only person who has automatic distrust, and disrespect for politicians. For every election for the last 20yrs my friends and I have a party, and before the night is over we have our usual toast: I don't know who won today, but I can assure you who lost....the AMERICAN PEOPLE! Which is a shame. Yet the beat goes on....

I guess my real question is do politicians have to be inherently crooked in order to be successful?

PS: This is not a slam at your dad. He is a good and decent man, thats why most people didn't like him as president. His true character shines through all of his tireless work for people less fortunate. I dare say he has done more for humanity, than any other ex-president.

And rightly so. Yes, candidates are beholding to special interest, some a lot more than others. As far the Farrakhan endorsement though, I just don’t see the value added that makes Obama indebted. Has Farrakhan’s endorsement really swayed a single vote to Obama. I don’t think so. He might have driven a few votes away but considering Farrakhan’s “constituency,” mainly young black men; they were going to vote for Obama anyway if they voted. Same with Jesse. Same with Al. Nothing added. I would have made the opposite case for John Lewis had his endorsement been timely. Lewis could have helped last year, now it seems that he’s just leading from way back in the rear.

Here is the endorsement from retired General Merrill Anthony "Tony" McPeak. You may or may not like him. He is a harsh critic of Bush but he ain’t no Louis Farrakhan:

Ex-JCS Tony McPeak endorses Barack Obama

It's true that ALL candidates are beholden (sp.) to special interests. So, what might Farrakhan hope to gain?

Maybe to be Sec. of State?

"Farrakhan In His On Words"

Maybe to be the head of the new Dept. of Social Justice?

"Barack Obama's Church Honors Louis Farrakhan"

Maybe to be head of the new Dept. of UFOs?

Captain Farrakhan Visits Mother Ship

"And one of these little UFOs came over that mountain and I was signaled from a group of persons to come. And I was beamed up into that small vehicle and carried to a larger vehicle, where I heard the voice of my leader and teacher, the Honorable Elijah Mohamed."

He said that he was carried up to "a Wheel, or what you call an unidentified flying object" to a "human built planet" known as the "Mother Wheel" (Wikipedia).

"If you read this and care to respond you should do your own homework and know or semi-know what you're for or against (and why) to the point of defending it beyond one post. Sometimes, using facts will help, especially if they are on your side. Study Richard Hobbs blogs."

Since you repeatedly post my encouraging words to you, I hope that you have taken them to heart.

So why do you think Obama is beholding to Farrakhan?

Do you seriously believe that Farrakhan is such a serious player that he has swayed a significant number of people with his endorsement that would have not voted for Obama without Farrakhan's endorsement?

Do you seriously believe that his endorsement elevates his role within the Obama campaign such that he is now in line for Secretary of State in an Obama administration?

Three simple questions. Inquiring minds want to know. I in particular cannot wait.

Your "encouraging words"? Don't you mean condescending?

As I told Yardman earlier, check the definition for satire or read more Ann Coulter.

BTW, as far as answering question goes, I'm still waiting for you to corroborate your statement:

"The problem I have with most anti-abortion groups and people is that as soon as the baby is born they don’t give a $%&* about it."

My statement about the anti-abortion people is not accurate. After the baby is born, they will want to berate the unwed mother who had it, as it grows they will withhold sex education information while teaching it a bunch of crap about abstinence (none of which they followed), they will then try to outlaw contraceptives so the child will not have access to them, they will try to pass legislation so that if she gets pregnant they can have the death penalty for the doctor if she decides to have an aabortion and if the child turns out gay they reserve the right to hound it all the way to the gates of Hades.

I should have been clearer. They will be concerned with every aspect of the child’s sex life in minute detail and little else.

“Condescension” or “encouraging words”? I can’t remember. Seems that I was complaining that you repeatedly posted a bunch of stuff then when I called you on it you kept saying either you really didn’t know what it meant, or you had not had time to study what you were posting or you were just posting stuff to pass it along and didn’t understand it.

That is why I cannot wait for your answers to the questions raised by your previous post:

So why do you think Obama is beholding to Farrakhan?

Do you seriously believe that Farrakhan is such a serious player that he has swayed a significant number of people with his endorsement that would have not voted for Obama without Farrakhan's endorsement?

Do you seriously believe that his endorsement elevates his role within the Obama campaign such that he is now in line for Secretary of State in an Obama administration?

There is a difference in wanting sex education information withheld in schools, and wanting sex education withheld. These are two completely different concepts, thank you very much. Some of us do not think it is the responsibility of the government and/or schools, to teach kids about the issue. It is the responsibility of the parents. I do not like the idea of a government worker talking about this with my child.

Are your kids named Ezekial and Ishmael?

I thought of this clip (LINK) when I read your post.
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Thanks!

Kevin "Hack" King

I'm glad you're finally admitting it:

"My statement about the anti-abortion people is not accurate."

That's always the FIRST STEP.

Do you FEEL better after your emotional outburst? You sound a lot like Sniffy. May I suggest that you TRY THIS to relieve some of that pent-up animosity?

Show me where the unwed mother is "berated" HERE or HERE or HERE.

A pro-baby-and-mother volunteer also teaches "sex education" classes in Fay. Co. public schools. (your reaction)

Your opinion about abstinence is just that: your opinion. But that topic has been defended in many other posts. So, I’ll let you watch Hillary fall for a few minutes. Remember to SMILE, while you’re saying, “You’re right, Denise. You’re right.”

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“They will be concerned with every aspect of the child’s sex life in minute detail and little else.”

Another unsubstantiated gross exaggeration. However, wouldn’t most responsible adults be concerned if a “child” has a “sex life”?

Would you call the Dutch age-of-consent law that permits sex between an adult and an adolescent or teen between the ages of 12 and 16 years, if the young person “consents,” a “good model”?

"Teens often seek out sex with older people, and they do so for understandable reasons: an older person makes them feel sexy and grown-up, protected and special," writes a celebrated University of Minnesota Press author and proponent of the liberalization of laws regarding age-of-consent, child pornography, minors’ unrestricted access to abortions, and conduct prosecutable as statutory rape. The author had a sexual relationship with an adult when she was a minor and writes often about sex and gender.

“She also suggests the threat of pedophilia and molestation by strangers is exaggerated by adults who want to deny young people the opportunity for positive sexual experiences.” She has no children of her own, yet she knows what’s best for others’ children.

“Judith Levine’s opus is the logical product of a culture that has been softened up to accept the abnormal as normal, and to push the normal into a box labeled ‘narrow’ or ‘intolerant.’”

Harmful to Minors (Robert Stacy McCain, The Washington Times)

“Endorsement of Adult-Child Sex on Rise”

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"None of which they followed" -- "None" means 100%, which surely you know is not true. Exactly how did you obtain your statistics?

Does having had an abortion disqualify women from speaking out about their regret and their desire to spare others similar pain? Would you prevent them from sharing with others that there is Hope after Abortion? Some very effective anti-drug, anti-alcohol, etc. speakers that I've heard are the ones who have struggled with problems and overcome them.

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"try to outlaw contraceptives" – Despite your huffing and puffing about HR 536, birth control was specifically exempted. Sniffy should've told you.

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"Pro-lifers Who Oppose Murdering Abortion Doctors Aren’t Hypocrites"

"As a fellow pro-choice supporter, it disappoints me that he would stoop to misrepresenting the pro-life movement, instead of attacking its logic directly."

Sen. Tom Coburn, who is also an obstetrician (OB/GYN): "I favor the death penalty for abortionists and other people who take life."

Interesting point: "Under the mores we live under today, my lineage wouldn't exist," Coburn said, explaining that his great-grandmother was raped by a territorial sheriff.

Abortion stops a beating heart.

At 6 weeks (LPM – 4 weeks post-conception), “your baby's heart is now beating and blood circulation is evident.”

Capital Punishment Statistics

“In 2007, 42 inmates were executed, 11 fewer than in 2006.” How likely are abortionists to be executed?

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“Hound [homosexuals] all the way to the gates of Hades”

Like this?

Like this?

The phrase, "with all deliberate speed," was used by the Supreme Court in Brown v. Board of Education II (1955) when the Supreme Court “delegated the task of carrying out the desegregation to district courts with orders that desegregation occur ‘with all deliberate speed.’”

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“I can’t remember.”

Liberals usually can’t. May I recommend THIS?

Let me help you. It “seems” that you had your opinion about the Plame Affair and I had mine. But before my opinion, based on the facts presented by many journalists, could possibly have any validity, you insisted that I must read the entire trial transcript, a stipulation that you required of no other blogger. Then I drew an analogy to the OJ trial and lawyers (sorry, Richard). My fatal flaw was to admit that I had not read every written word on the Plame Affair and could not claim to be an expert (in the legal sense) on the minutia of the case. Of course, I didn’t realize at the time, being new to this site, that you’re employed by the “Carter Center for World Fascism Studies” (thanks, Richard) and devote your life to bringing down the Republican Party.

You definitely can’t remember if you’re claiming that I “didn’t understand” what I commented on. (Have you had an Alzheimer’s check lately?)

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My answer to Obama’s being “beholden” (note spelling ) to Farrakhan was posted HERE and HERE.

But since you’re having a little trouble with satire, let me spell it out.

I never seriously claimed that Obama is indebted or obligated (beholden isn’t a verb) to Farrakhan or even disagreed with your opinion.

The thought never crossed my mind that Farrakan is a “serious player,” seriously. His statements that stir up hatred should be taken seriously, though.

I think that Richard made an interesting point when he said, “The mere fact that someone with the sensitivities and desires such as a Farrakan, would want to actually endorse Barack, tells much more about who Barack really is. Why else would Farrakan actually endorse Barack, if he didn't share to some degree those similar opinions.” Now that is a serious observation that I’ll be sure to remember!

Note this strangely worded paragraph from Conner:
Let me help you. It “seems” that you had your opinion about the Plame Affair and I had mine. But before my opinion, based on the facts presented by many journalists, could possibly have any validity, you insisted that I must read the entire trial transcript, a stipulation that you required of no other blogger. Then I drew an analogy to the OJ trial and lawyers (sorry, Richard). My fatal flaw was to admit that I had not read every written word on the Plame Affair and could not claim to be an expert (in the legal sense) on the minutia of the case. Of course, I didn’t realize at the time, being new to this site, that you’re employed by the “Carter Center for World Fascism Studies” (thanks, Richard) and devote your life to bringing down the Republican Party.

Pay particular attention to the phrase "facts presented by many journalists".

This is classic Denise Conner revisionism.

When the Plame affair ended, several extremist rightwing commentators over on townhall.com and other hate sites furiously spun the results in editorials to fit their own preconceived positions. Not a problem as such, everyone has the right to their own opinion.

Enter Denise Conner.

She didn't like the results of the Plame affair, so she presented the OPINIONS of these right wing extremists as FACTS and declared any who dared disagree with her to be WRONG.

JeffC took up the challenge and continued an ongoing trend of making Denise look foolish and ignorant with actual FACTS directly from the court documents.

Did Denise apologize?

Of course not.

She whined that she hadn't had the time to review the court documents ("lack of time" being a curious notion from a woman who was logged in something like 13 hours straight on this site a few days ago) and couldn't be held responsible for the words of others (a common Conner defense: "I just copied and pasted, I never actually SAID those words!") (see also: "Homeless Vets are wharf rats of society").

Now she's attempting to further advance her revisionism by once again claiming she was presenting "facts presented by many journalists", when in fact, she never did in the first place.

Revisionism, plain and simple.
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Answering for "Jeff" again? Seems like, whenever I pull Jeff's chain, you pop up, too.

"'lack of time' being a curious notion from a woman who was logged in something like 13 hours straight on this site a few days ago"

That's the same complaint that Mainly Extreme was making! Where's that "original thought" you're always boasting about?

How would you know how long I was logged in or out of The Citizen if you weren't staring at your computer with your stopwatch? You're acting like a stalker with the way that you keep up with how much time my computer is logged in.

I'll type r-e-a-l-l-y ... s-l-o-w-l-y so that you can comprehend, well maybe. Someone can remain logged in (whether actually at the computer or not) for some time unless he logs out, which I never do. All I have to do is keep the log-in or "Recent Comments" open and refresh to appear to be watching you. I can be doing other tasks, on the computer or away, and you'll think that I'm gnawing my fingernails, waiting for a Jeff/Sniffy/Banned Basmati/MS/$ post.

Since you find me so fascinating, I'll have to try that strategy again some time. You're so easy to agitate.

The posts that you, I mean "Jeff," referred to were posted back on April 1 & 2, 2007, when I was a "new blogger," per "Jeff." That's right -- almost a year ago.

Your recycled complaints are really “Much Ado About Nothing.”

Seems that quoting comments about Pres. Peanut made by Alan Dershowitz, law professor at Harvard University (whom you called a "nut"), and disagreeing with your opinion and selected “facts” of the Plame Affair raised your hackles and you've yet to calm down. I and those "right wing extremists" at that "hate site" Townhall really get to you, don't we?

You never tire of trying to make "Denise look foolish and ignorant," do you? Keep trying.

I hit a nerve with Hack, too, and he responded by calling me "a cut and paste winch [sic] doing the demon's work for the RNC," a "lunatic," a "wack job," and "the RNC p!ss girl, doing the dirty work, devoid of a conscience," "a completely enslaved, mindless errand runner" in a "cesspool."

And he didn't want to "waste valuable time and intellect"?

Let's see.... What were some other responses to your 03/27/2007 LTE & comments:

Robert W. Morgan: "Jeff, you are a fool. I can't believe you live in Peachtree City and have such a slanted view of things."

Maximus: "My fondest memory of the Carter presidency was when he went to three-mile island to prove that there was no danger. And to think all those scientists said it would cause brain damage. What a bunch..of...,um..anyway, that was great." He also commented on "the diplomatic talent of Jimmy" and Operation Eagle Claw.

Beaver: "If everyone was convicted for not recalling history correctly, like your terrorist-appeasing, yellow belly father, then we would all be in jail."

Enigma: "Like father, like son Carter? Dershowitz strikes a nerve there huh Jeff? Traits of anti-Semitism creeping through the DNA? I think Denise and the Beav deserve and [sic] answer."

Enigma to Hack: "Married Men Hitting on Poor Denise. Gosh guys, I know how ugly Democrat women usually are but some of you are married men. Leave these good looking, intelligent, Republican women to the men who can appreciate and share their views with them ... the single men I mean!"

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

BTW, do you still think that I'm "Denise Coulter"? I'm much prettier than Richard Hobbs or Cal. No "tantrums," but more "Classic Conner," I promise!

In a long list of lies being told by the supporters of HR536: "try to outlaw contraceptives" – Despite your huffing and puffing about HR 536, birth control was specifically exempted.”

First of all, no it wasn’t. A supporter of HR 536 claimed that birth control was specifically exempted; this was not in the legislation. Still haven’t read it huh?

Secondly, the only reason supporters could make this outrageous claim is that the legislation redefines contraception to include only condoms. Everything else, birth control pills, IUD’s, and everything that stops fertilized eggs from implanting is defined as an abortificant, and all would be made illegal.

Call it a lie or not, whatever. I don’t care anymore because when the facts about the bill became known it was killed. I am confident that if it is resurrected it will be killed again. If not, there’s that old Griswald v Connecticut case which clearly makes the legislation unconstitutional.

So, if good sense doesn’t protect the people of Georgia from the intrusion into their private sex lives and decisions to which you and the sex police wing of the Republican Party seems so devoted, the Constitution will.

As to Obama, I suggest that you not vote for him.

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McCain: 'Like Hope. But Different.'

Is that the only talking point you local Dems have?

"Still haven’t read it huh?" (There's that hostility again. )

It's hilarious how you ASSume so much about me.

If you can't believe the AP and Brenda Wood & 11 Alive News, just who can you believe?

Just One Source of Sniffy’s Rage

Just who is “Sniffles”?

Ha--- I know my neighbors and I am glad I do after being on here.
Aren't you?

Well, they will say they feel the same about me, and that's okay-

Does anyone know what respect and civil means?

I still don't get it, disagree and go on- is it that hard?

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Welcome to the world of politics!

If you want to know who I really am, GO HERE.

It's a I do that alot. I read it.

Now, I have my morals and values and I will not compromise.

Some say they agree with my morals and values and even say they have them. They compromise.

Some sit back and say nothing when they have my same morals and values- now wonder why they won't take a stand.

Some will justify wrong and try and make it look right on issues.

I do have a concern for our morals and value system and the road it seems to be going down- part of it has been proven with what is given to us with the person what they stand for and say- and still the people that say they have the same moral and value system that I have still go for it when it is wrong.

I am going to wait for the BIG CHANGE and if it does not work out- then will we start down the road to what the other nations are?

I will pray for our upcoming President, I always have.

We all know who it is.

I am just glad we have President George W.Bush until then.

I still don't know what the BIG CHANGE is-

I look around and I truly have alot to be thankful for- and I am "Proud To Be An American".

Belief and morals- ? Some say they don't play a role in politics where do they play a role?

Part of my belief and moral system is that we don't see race, we see people.

To me it all looks like what am I going to get out of this? Promises, Promises, Promises???

This is just my opinion.

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While I agree with you that virtually everything that comes out of Denise's mouth is a lie, half-truth or misrepresentation, Paul Perkins came here the other day and said that he personally witnessed the amendment to HR536 that inserted language specifically exempting the banning of contraception from the legislation two weeks ago.

Since Paul has a firmer grasp of reality than most of the anti-women folks here, I tend to believe him. Nonetheless, as of this morning the official website for Georgia legislation has not been updated with this exemption.

In any event, as you said, this legislation is toast for this year, a crushing defeat for Denise Conner and her anti-contraception crowd.
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Rep. Martin Scott's office can confirm the addition of sections excluding contraception and capital punishment from the amendment. Here's your link if you want to see it given to the committee. Search for Judiciary on Feb 18 and 20th.

I wouldn't put too much faith in the capial webmaster. Rep. Fludd's district voting bill was supposed to have his gerrymandered err I mean new maps for Fayette districts attached as a pdf but thats not shown up to date either.

This is the way to blog!

Thanks for the links but not necessary. If you say so, that that is good enough for me.

"Just another lie Denise."

Sniffy: "Virtually everything that comes out of Denise's mouth is a lie, half-truth or misrepresentation."

The FACTS aren't on your side.

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8-week fetus ("young one") -- Only 30-32 more weeks to go!

“Women who are experiencing an unplanned pregnancy also deserve unplanned joy.” (Feminists for Life)

The AJC was still concerned about it last week.

Women should fear H.R. 536

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"President Bush talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years. Maybe a hundred, that's fine with me. I don't think Americans are concerned if we're there for a hundred years, or a thousand years, or ten thousand years."

Sniffles,
In fairness to Denise, not much comes out of her mouth. It's all "copy and paste." LOL

The term's "cut and paste." Guess your "mama" didn't tell you.

Maybe you could use that technique to answer my question,

How do you come to the conclusion that since the 1960s the South has been "solidly Republican"?

"SusieQ," do you remember saying, The truth is that I am pretty well known by many, and if I posted my real name, people who know me would say,

"I'm surprised she posted such shallow comments."

No need to feel guilty!

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Wow, susieq, that may be the first time in the history of this site that the words "Denise" and "fairness" were mentioned in the same sentence!

I agree with your conclusion, though. Ms. Conner obviously is enamored with the quantity of her verbiage. The quality of her verbiage? Not so much.
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and it seems to be getting worse. I used to actually read some of her posts, but now when I see her name attached to something, I know it will be the usual 'book' of quotes, cut and paste, and links, so I glance at it and move on.

Interesting double standard here.

We cannot criticize grubby Herman Cain here coz he's got CANCER, yet Louis Farrakhan, who has been fighting prostate CANCER for 8 years, and who has essentially dropped out of the public eye, is still regularly pilloried around here.

Seriously, nobody likes the guy, but has Farrakhan said or done anything newsworthy since 2001?

I guess it's the old "good Negro" vs. "bad Negro" debate (Certain folks here would likely use a different descriptor ).

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Herman Cain has "essentially dropped out of the public eye"?

You're Alzheimer's is getting worse by the second!

He has a syndicated column and his own radio talk show, as well as acting as a guest host for several other talk shows and being on several boards of major corporations. He seems to be doing fairly well for someone that you constantly label as "grubby." Is this a euphemism for "black"? Why don't you just call him what you're really thinking?

You're just jealous that you can't keep up. Just too crabby!

Shifty Basmati's "Blather" -- the "cancer card"

I know I'm kind of a glass-less-than-half-empty person.

I call it realistic.

Anyway thanks again.

The glass is neither half full nor half empty. It is simply that too many resources were used to make a glass that was too large.

(I'm terribly sorry! Insert happy-face thing here.)

Doesn't it depend on what's IN the glass whether one is an optimist or a pessimist?

If it contains a cold India Pale Ale, then perhaps one is a pessimist in calling it half empty.

But suppose the glass contains that glop that you have to drink before a colonoscopy or CT scan. Then saying that it is half empty is pretty optimistic.

Well done, sir. I got a chuckle out of this.

I recall it as "The glass is neither half full or half empty. It is merely twice as large as it needs to be, grasshopper".
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Answering for "Jeff" again? You do seem to do that a lot.

Still wondering, Just who is “Sniffles”?

Anytime I get a chance, Ms. Kockenlocker.

p.s. I wasn't "answering for Jeff", I was "replying to Jeff". There's a subtle difference, y'know.
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You should get the "post of the year" award. Is that one of your originals?
LOL

You made me laugh, which is almost impossible. Thank you.

That did make me laugh- the remark from Jeff. Thanks for the humor.

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Listen to: "We Will Stand"

"Obama is a leftist, facists [sic], and his strongest supporters are coming from the extreme fringe of your party."

What a positively breathtaking bit of self-delusion!!

Obama is doing what Bush said he could do (but didn't): be a uniter, not a divider.

Obama's support is widespread and touches virtually every segment of the voting public, a fact that must make hack partisan extremists like Swiftboat Admiral Richard Hobbs twitch uncontrollably.

Notice the theme of the swiftboaters this year: tie him to as many unpopular people/themes as possible. Farakhan, and now Swiftboard Admiral Hobbs is trying Karl Marx as well.

Admiral Hobbs will leave no stone unturned, no slime unthrown as he nibbles at the fringes of political discourse, hoping...no, praying..that something, ANYTHING, will "stick".

"He's a MUSLIM!"
"His wife HATES America!"
"His Church hates white people!"

And nothing gains traction!!

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