District voting bill ‘tremendously irresponsible’

As the halfway mark of the 2008 legislative session approaches, we continue to move legislation through the General Assembly, and key initiatives continue to be heard in committee prior to consideration by the full House.

Tax relief has been a key issue for many months and this [past] week I joined some of my colleagues in introducing a tax measure that could reduce the income tax burden of our citizens, while reining in spending.

On the floor of the House, we adopted House Bill 919 creating oversight of the Georgia Lottery Corporation to protect the future of HOPE scholarships. In the House Judiciary Non-Civil Committee I continued to work with my colleagues to ensure the safety of all Georgians.

I was pleased to cosponsor House Resolution 1216, the Taxpayer Dividend Act, with a bipartisan group of my colleagues.

Currently, Georgia has the highest budget surplus in our state’s history. This is the hard-earned money of Georgia’s taxpayers and there should be a mechanism in place to ensure responsible stewardship of surplus revenue dollars.

This legislation proposes limitations on how excess revenues could be spent, rather than leave it to the unbridled discretion of the General Assembly and governor.

In years of a budget surplus, the act proposes to first fund education shortfalls, then the state reserve “rainy day” fund, at 8 percent of the budget, and the remainder would be returned to the taxpayers as an income tax deduction. This combination of spending reform and tax reform is long overdue in Georgia.

Georgia’s lottery has funded the HOPE scholarships and pre-K programs that have benefited our students for many years. Recently, questions have been raised about how the Georgia Lottery Corporation has used lottery funds for excessive staff bonuses rather than for scholarships and new pre-k programs.

This [past] week, I joined my colleagues in the House in voting to approve House Bill 919 to create a legislative oversight committee to ensure that we continue to use lottery funds to benefit our students above all else.

This [past] week in the House Judiciary Non-Civil committee, we voted to send House Bill 336 to the full House for a vote. This legislation would increase penalties for a DUI conviction to include mandatory jail time for repeat offenders and would make the fourth DUI offense a felony conviction, rather than a misdemeanor. This legislation was strongly supported by prosecutors, solicitors and Mothers Against Drunk Drivers.

Georgia is one of the last states in America without a felony DUI statute, and I was proud to vote in favor of this measure aimed at protecting the driving public. Habitual DUI offenders put our families at risk every time they drink and drive, and Georgia needs to be a leader in cracking down on these individuals.

On another subject, an effort to impose district voting on Fayette County would supersede local control.

I was disturbed to learn that my colleague in the General Assembly, Virgil Fludd, is once again attempting to change the way our County Commission is elected in Fayette County through the use of local legislation in the state House.

Currently, all five members of our County Commission are elected at-large by the voters of the entire County. Rep. Fludd proposes to break Fayette County up into geographic districts and have some, or all, of our commissioners elected by districts.

The local legislative process exists in the General Assembly because of the limited constitutional authority granted to counties to frame, adopt and amend their own charters, powers and laws. Such legislative changes are referred to as local legislation in the General Assembly and are put forth by each county’s legislative delegation, which is made up of all legislators that represent any portion of a given county.

In the Georgia House, the Fayette County delegation consists of me, John Yates (R-Griffin), Roberta Abdul-Salaam (D-Riverdale), Virgil Fludd (D-Tyrone) and Darryl Jordan (D-Riverdale). The rules of the House are such that only a majority of our delegation (three members) needs to sign onto a local bill to move it out of committee and the House.

The local legislative process does not exist to impose controversial top-down changes on a local community without that community’s support and against the will of the locally elected officials.

The process exists to give local officials an efficient and accessible process by which they can bring proposed changes that have community support to their General Assembly delegation and constitutionally change the political subdivision’s laws or ordinances.

Not one of our county commissioners has called me in support of creating a district-based voting system in Fayette County.

Further, I have not heard from one of my constituents in favor of this change and have heard from dozens that oppose it out of concern for Fayette County’s future.

This effort is nothing more than an attempt by a few individuals at the state Capitol to impose their will on Fayette County without the support of the community at-large or our locally elected officials.

Year in and year out, Fayette County is at or near the top of the Georgia rankings in school performance measures such as graduation rates, SAT and ACT scores and percentage of graduates going on to college.

Fayette County has one of the highest median household incomes in not only Georgia, but the nation. The value of new and existing homes continues to be among the highest in the State.

Crime statistics indicate Fayette County’s crime rate is one of the lowest in metro-Atlanta. By any measure Fayette County has historically and currently is one of the most prosperous and well-run counties in Georgia.

Our success is owed in large part to the conscientious leadership of the current and past members of the County Commission, all of which have been elected at-large, by the voters of this county.

It strikes me as tremendously irresponsible to risk the success we have enjoyed by making such a major change to how our leaders are selected without the support of the community or the very commissioners this would affect.

Unlike the proponents of this change, I am not willing to gamble our county’s future by imposing such a major systemic change without being certain it is supported by our community and locally elected officials.

Based on the significant feedback I have received, this proposal simply does not have the support of Fayette County.

I will continue to keep you up to date on our actions as the legislative session progresses. Should you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me at my Capitol office at 404-656-0109. I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Rep. Matt Ramsey

(R-Peachtree City)

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Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 8:16am.

and it is right at our back door. clayton-crime coutny has everything the the democrats want, and it has been run by democrats and district voting for years.

I'm surprised that most of the people who want Fayette to change don't go and live in a "successful" (?) district voting, democrat county.

They have governement your way over there. Can any of you explain why you don't want to live there??. You would have a "voice" over there, and the homes are cheaper. Also you would have great diversity, which is something else all of you district voting fans seem to want.

So how about it, why not go to clayton?

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 10:08am.

Let's talk about Clayton County and, hopefully, learn from history. At one time, Clayton County was like Fayette County is today (or was before the developers got control of it);pastoral, quiet, a "nice place to live". One of the problems of being a nice place to live is that everyone wants to live there, thus making is a not so nice place to live. The existing powerstructure saw that there are people moving there from Dekalb county and other metro counties and they were sore afraid. They felt that their lifestyle and homes were under attack and they wanted to protect what they had (an admirable sentiment, to be sure). Now the people in charge of Clayton County {those illusive "powers that be"} had three choices: flee, fight against change, or work to assimilate the new "immigrants". They chose the second option, namely, to fight against change. The result was that change continued (which was inevitable) and they created a WHOLE lot of animosity between the long time residents and the newcomers. When the newcomers became the majority, they (naturally) felt that they now had to power to do what they wanted. They ousted the oldtimers (some of whom were actually good administrators) and took over. The results of the years of struggle we now see with the problems with the schools, the police department, etc.

Now is the time for Fayette County to face some of the same problems that faced Clayton County years ago, of that you are entirely correct. The question is, "Are the voters/government officials or Fayette County going to learn from this lesson, or are they going to repeat the path of Clayton County?" It is time for the citizens of Fayette County to roll up their sleeves and tackle some of these problems while they are small ones...before they get out of hand. This is something that EVERYONE in Fayette County wants, regardless of their political affiliation. Creating adversaries will gain nothing but trouble down the road. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.


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Submitted by hutch866 on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 10:23am.

I grew up in Clayton Co. We moved there in 63 and that's where I went to school, it was a nice place and at that time it was considered the boonies. It has changed 1000% since then, but when people talk as if everyone in Clayton is some kind of thug or gangster or animal they are 1000% wrong. I meet and know some of the nicest people in Clayton who are just as appalled at what is happening as anyone who posts on these boards. A lot of my customers are elderly and might be one of the last white people in their subdivision and they get along just fine with their neighbors. Granted some subdivisions are Hellholes, but the bad people are in the minority it's just that they get all the press.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 10:15am.

*standing ovation*


Submitted by sageadvice on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 9:39am.

The democrats have their ultra-left wing just as the republicans have their right-wing nuts!

I have temporarily converted to Independent.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 8:24am.

As I have explained before, I enjoy living in Fayette county. I like the ameneties and the school system is excellent. Sure, I have to put up with ignorant race-baiters like you and thebeaver, but all in all it's a small price to pay.

"Squawk! Clayton county! Clayton county! Squawk!"


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Submitted by TruthSleuth1958 on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 12:12pm.

Why is it that the white vote split between Obama and Clinton but the black vote is over 90% for Obama?

Sniffles05 The Plagiarizer in Chief
Sniffles05:Jeffc calls for your explanation and apology.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 10:02am.

And not to mention those "lesser" schools too.

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Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 8:29am.

I'm surprised you like it here.

clayton has had district voting for years and has been run by democrats for years. You can see how wildly successful both have been, I thought you would want to live there to enjoy the "prosperity"???

As for your "race" comment, are you implying that all democrats are something other than white?? Who is racist again??

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Submitted by TruthSleuth1958 on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 12:13pm.

The daily KOS did not cover your question so sniffly will have to get back to you on that....like....never.

Sniffles05 The Plagiarizer in Chief
Sniffles05:Jeffc calls for your explanation and apology.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 10:16am.

It's a far different party than what exists there today.
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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 8:35am.

Skyspy, for the record, I agree with you that Clayton county is a cauldron of ignorance...after all, YOU grew up there, correct?

Yes, Clayton county has district voting. So do 155 other Georgia counties. Fayette county is one of three that does not. Why is that?


Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 8:42am.

I'm a transplant from the north, I moved here when clayton was still considered nice and prefered "Delta base housing".

What they are doing doesn't seem to be working.

Have a good day

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 8:46am.

I never realized that you're so IGNORANT and RACIST! Shocked

It must be "the truth" if "Sniffy" the Plagiarist says so. Puzzled

Shifty Sniffy surely woke up in a foul mood. But, then, maybe he's that way all of the time. Scary thought.

Have a great day! Smiling


Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 8:51am.

sniffy and I got along real good when he was basmati. I don't understand??

Could you give $age,dollar,nitpicker$$, and siffles,basmati group therapy for a discounted price? Maybe the cost of therapy is the only thing holding them back.

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 9:03am.

What a group! Why not throw Ms Extreme in there, too? Laughing out loud

They're waiting for "free" health care since they're just above the Medicaid thresh-hold. I suggest a visit to Sheriff Arpaio's outdoor hotel for some fresh air. Laughing out loud


Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 9:06am.

Tent therapy sounds perfect.

Have a good day.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 6:03am.

You said it yourself - it only takes 3 members of the Fayette delegation to move this (or any other) proposal along. With 3 dems on board it looks like it will be easy for them to get district voting to the next step. Seems like the entire house will go for it since none of them actually have a dog in this fight. Your job is to twist arms and get enough no votes to kill this idiotic idea. It is a Republican controlled house you know.

By the way, how does Fayette get 3 dems representing us?


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Submitted by rick williams on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 2:30am.

District voting is rightly to be debated. But as Connie Biemiller stated, our Founders set the mark. District voting is all about democracy: local representation for local issues.
You don't elect the mayor of PTC by county wide elections. You don't elect the mayor of Fayetteville by county wide elections. You don't elect our congressional representative through state wide elections, but only through our specific congressional district, so that our local residents are properly represented in Congress.
Only 3 of the 159 counties in Georgia don't have district voting. How is that for being out of touch? Those who say we should not follow the crowd are right. We should do this because it is the right thing to do for the local voice in local issues.

This entire question was brought about by the good people of Brooks a few years ago who felt they and the entire south Fayette county were not adaquately represented by the County Commissioners, and they were right.

Our newly elected Matt Ramsey (R, 72nd House District) was so fired up over this issue, that he posted a blog with the words "tremendously irresponsible" in the title, then proceeded to post an advertisement for his work for the next 11 paragraphs before he got to the issue. He did say that our current outstanding student performance is proof that we need to "stay the course". But in fact, the great student performance and high income levels here in Fayette has nothing to do with the elections "at large" of the County Commissioners, but has everything to do with very engaged and successful parents who demand the best from their children, and help them to achieve these great things.

If Ramsey was afraid to vote for the district voting he should say so, but instead he hid behind the mantra that no Commissioner asked him to vote for it. That is the definition of a follower and not a leader. But we have come to expect nothing from our Republican friends except "stay the course". And just like our current "stay the course" leaders, they will be replaced.
Let us all understand that we should not be afraid of change, our "Founding Fathers" were not. Our County will be a better place with local representation for local issues. The only reason the current Commissioners haven't voted on this is that many would be replaced by the people, and that is the reality check.

Rick Williams
Lt. Col. USAF (ret)


Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 10:40am.

A Democracy is two lions and an antelope voting on what's for dinner. Democracy is mob rule. I don't like either.

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 12:02pm.

but we are a representative democracy, and that presupposes that our elected officials will do what is in the best interest of ALL the citizens, not merely a segment of the citizens. The citizens have input into the decisionmaking and the representatives then "hash out" a solution. Now that is, indeed, the basis of our government. If significant segments of the citizens are denied representation {for what ever reason} the resultant government cannot be considered representative. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.


Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 2:06pm.

The Majority cannot overrun the Minority.

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 2:16pm.

that we are in agreement on this point. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.


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Submitted by ImJustSaying on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 7:47am.

"....but has everything to do with very engaged and successful parents who demand the best from their children, and help them to achieve these great things." In your argument you use the previously cited passage to shine light on "the great student performance", however I don't think the schools test scores associated with the area of the county currently pushing for district voting supports your argument.


Submitted by tikigod on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 1:59am.

don't "fix" it. Fayette County needs to be unified in its pursuit of maintaining a generally excellent county. Yes, the will of the many should be imposed on the few. The reason everyone moved here in the first place is because things work well in Fayette county. They didn't move here to change things.

What "constituent needs" are outside the bounds of what is already offered? This idea of "better representation" is basically another way of saying, "I don't like the way things are run in this county". Fayette county is a great place. Please don't change that. If you want, there are plenty of other counties in the area that offer district voting. I hear that one to the north is doing quite well...

Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 5:24am.

No representation for the few.
Fayette budgets and schools work better than Clayton due to a few things:
We have more money, better jobs, and better educated, plus we have selectively chosen who we want to live here, by economic means----sofar.
Sooner or later we must assimilate to survive!

Submitted by thebeaver on Tue, 02/19/2008 - 10:47pm.

KEEP AT-LARGE VOTING IN PLACE!!!!

Virgil's grab for power will turn Fayette County into another Clayton County. Don't let him do it! Contact your rep and oppose this measure!!!

Barack Obama is a human featherball -- a slick, smiling, substance-free empty suit who excites gullible dimwits by repeating the words “change,” “unity,” and “hope” over and over --

Submitted by kreedham on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 12:49am.

How will district voting make us like Clayton County?

District voting will make the county commissioners more accountable to their constituents. Now the commissioners are accountable to the whole county but sure don't act like it.

As I've stated before Republicans have 100% representation on the county commission but the county votes between 60-70% Republican in contested elections. It is not required that Democrats deserve one or two seats on the commission but I certainly would feel better if one party didn't have all the power. Would you want one party to hold all the state house or state senate seats? Maybe you would but an all Republican or all Democratic state house, state Senate, US Senate or Congress would be a scary thought. It's the same thing here just on a smaller level.

Having said that, if we have district voting in Fayette County probably only 1 of the 5 seats "might" go to the Democrats. I say might cause I doubt it would even happen then.

I will do as you say and contact my state representative even though he lives in another county and btw he's not a democrat.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 8:03am.

We miss you brother! Hope all is well. Keep fighting the good fight on this front. I have the assassins of hope covered on the western flank. And reinforcements are on the way !

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 6:17am.

District voting creates special interest groups who have geographic power. That puts the representative/county commissioner in a position of creating projects that benefit his home district instead of looking at what is best for the entire county. They will squabble over where the soccer fields go and which roads get paved or where the patrol cars patrol.

Having a democrat on county commission is not a bad idea in and of itself, but in Fayette County there are so few and their reasons for wanting power are not completely honorable.

You need to look at how Horgan's district voted when he was elected and see the outcome as if just that district voted for him and his opponents. It is interesting.

We'll just keep out current system, thank you.


Submitted by kreedham on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 11:37pm.

How can I see how his district voted? We don't have district voting! Seems to me that, and please correct me if wrong, that we have 3 at large and two districts but all are voted on county wide. So in that respect we don't have districts.

And in regards to democrats being so few in Fayette County please see recent Presidential Primary #'s. A minority yes but I disagree with your observation that they are few. And for their reasons not wanting power not being honorable please cite why you believe so. I think we could probably say the same thing about many of our local pols regardless of party.

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Submitted by The Crime Dog on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 2:50am.

Yeah you should check out a Fayette precinct map. You can get localized results and figure out how smaller chunks of Fayette lean on local elections.

This is another example of how the local Democrats don't understand local politics.


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 5:58am.

I guess since he doesn't know about results by precincts, I may as well answer my own question which was how did Horgan's district vote. Answer, he would have been elected without a runoff - meaning he received more votes than all his other opponents (and there were several) combined. That was true in just his district (meaning in the specific precincts that define his district) and of course it was true county-wide. And you could probably assume that if his opposition were consolidated behind 1 candidate, the results would still be the same. Note to Democrats: It is always better to run just one candidate instead of 3 when you plan on your party winning. Yes I realize this election was non-partisan, but only technically so.
As to reasons for running, refer to the campaign statements of Mr. Horgan (lukewarm, but honorable) vs. the campaign statements of his opponents which were mostly racist.


Submitted by kreedham on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 11:37am.

I appreciate your response to my questions and being civil about it. Thanks also for not resorting to calling me "clueless" as I have a prety good idea of what's going on.

Yes I know about precinct voting and I see your point but...if we get district voting then we don't know exactly how those districts will be drawn. Who has the responsibility to draw up those districts? I suspect that whoever does will do their best to keep the Republican majority just as the party in power does in the state when those lines are redrawn. As I've said if district voting were to come to pass I don't believe anything would change but at least the Democrats would have a chance in one of the districts. Let's assume 1 Democrat could get elected. Then they'd make up 20% of the commission. Is that so bad?

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 12:59pm.

it is not as if the actual powerstructure would be destroyed, only that representation on the commission would be more evenly distributed geographically. The issue is representation, not destruction of the existing order. A seat at the table and a part in the discussion. Is that so bad? Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.


Submitted by tikigod on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 2:10am.

what you expect to change by getting your preferred political party in power at the county level?

Submitted by kreedham on Wed, 02/20/2008 - 11:27pm.

I don't expect that my "preferred political party" will ever get in power in Fayette County. I'd just like to see a little more balance.

As far as Virgil Fludd and others only representing a part of Fayette County I somewhat agree. I'd prefer to have representation for Fayette County by someone from Fayette County. My representative lives in Griffin. Remember all this when it's time to draw the maps after the 2010 census.

Those of you who say that if district voting is implemented our county commissioner will look out for his district. Well duh! Isn't that what we need? I don't think any of our current members care about my part of the county.

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