PTC Secret Investigations

All Smiles's picture

Whatever became of the secretive investigation that was being conducted by an outside firm involving a Peachtree City employee? I recall the city hired this outside firm. One can assume the funds to pay this outside firm were from the taxpayers also known as citizens of Peachtree City. So, if the citizens paid for this investigation should it not be public knowledge? I can not believe this investigation is of national security which can withhold certain information from the public. It’s past time we, the taxpayers/citizens are informed of the investigation!!!!! If it involved Average Joe of Peachtree City, you can bet it would in print in the Citizen. Please tell me there is not a cover up! The citizens have the right to know!!

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Submitted by Dalton Russell on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 4:21pm.

It was my understanding that they were supposed to let the public know, in open session, what had happened and what the results of the investigation were after it had concluded. So, after about two or three months this thing can't still be going on. What is the answer? Does anyone know who it was? Do they know what the person did? What ever happened to disclosure? They were bold enough to tell us about the investigation, but not the conclusion. Why not?

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 04/11/2008 - 8:29pm.

because once again harold wasted my tax dollar. I at least should have the right to know what for!

This isn't Detroit the citizens aren't just going to roll over and take it. Where is the money and what became of the "investigation"?

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 1:21am.

Five Dollars says Captain Stan Pye is involved somehow.

Any takers?

The Question They Will NOT Answer:How Much Jail Time?

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Submitted by JacquesMolay on Mon, 02/04/2008 - 9:15pm.

"Hi There" you are correct about this Wednesday. The article is suppose to clear up the retire or fire rumors that have been circulating. The police department is giving its officers a fore warning that it will not be a pleasant article. The secret investigation is not targeted at former Chief Murray. The city council vote to hire an outside source was done after Murray had retired. The city would not invest money to investigate Murray. This article on wednesday should open the flood gates to the truth about the Murray regime and tactics. What goes around comes around doesn't it #2.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 12:08am.

This will be interesting. I hope the city council, will be careful in their search for the next police chief.

This doesn't sound good for anybody.

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Submitted by JacquesMolay on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 8:37am.

Skyspy you are correct. This is not going to be good for the officers. Unfortunately they are going to have to shoulder the brunt of the article while dealing with the citizens. Those that are RESPONSIBLE will continue to hide in their offices. Murray has left, his house is for sale and he has moved on. Skyspy you have got to spend some time with the officers and know that they are good people trying to do the right thing. As citizens of Peachtree City we must DEMAND that the new Chief come from the outside. Bernie will have to make the recommendation to council in a public setting and there needs to be a strong contingent of citizens there to express their opinions. Otherwise, you get what you pay for!

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Submitted by borntorun on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:32am.

You all may be right about some big "scandal" involving PTC police personnel but seems to me knowing how the media can't wait to be the first to report something, it's hard to believe they would sit on for days waiting to report it. Nothing worse in the news biz than being outscooped.

Just a thought but could it be something as benign as the police headquarters situation?

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 8:58am.

I do know many of our cops. They are good clean cut kids. It is only the chief and his top 2, that seemly didn't care. The average cop knows the cartpaths and the neighborhoods need more attention, but they just do what they are told to do, and they are short-handed anyway. They can't be everywhere at once.

For all of his faults Chief Murray hired great people. Our councilFOOLS are driving them away with low pay and no respect.

Our pay that we are offering really is too low to attract a good chief or anyone for that matter. We are short 11 cops last I heard, and more will leave if the pay stays low.

When I said this won't be good for anyone, I meant the citizens here as well. Criminals love to see change and controversy in police depts. they can use it against them. That is why large depts. that are notoriously corrupt, like ATL, Chicago, New York, Detroit, have such a hard time fighting crime.
Also this will be an un-needed distraction for our cops. They are good and they are professional, they don't deserve this.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 9:29am.

I think Murray did the city a disservice by insisting on hiring only officers with college degrees. Given the salary structure here in PTC, I've got to wonder about the judgment of an officer candidate who could be making $5K more per year in neighboring jurisdictions. I've said it before: you don't need a college degree to investigate a burglary or write a traffic ticket.

As an aside, I'm convinced that Murray had something to do with tomorrow's upcoming scandal. I got to thinking that Mayor Logsdon is an Army Colonel, and as such has a tendency to "solve" problems by letting embarassments "retire" with full benefits, hence Murray's somewhat abrupt retirement last year.
The Question They Will NOT Answer:How Much Jail Time?

Submitted by sageadvice on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 1:12pm.

The AJC today tried to explain how some Georgia bridge inspectors could fully inspect and report on 18 bridges in one day. They couldn't.

What happened was this: one of the main guys on a "team" of inspectors decided to take quite a bit of time off on his own approval---well the other team guys said they could not inspect without him, so they also took off.

Now to try to catch up, as if anyone cared, they "did" a lot of bridges in one day and some software caught them!

The state also uses the same crews for the same bridges all of the time so that one crew doesn't have to cover up for another crew---they would NEVER rat them out.

BTW. this all occurred after the bridge in the mid-west fell into the river.

Want to know the punishment? Same as the Army----retired with full pension for the leader and the others were allowed to resign.

Bush may also give them a Freedom Medal!

Sonny knows about as much about bridges as he does about mental hospitals here that allow people to die or live miserably!

He can however castrate animals.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 9:54am.

I don't know. Murray had his faults, but I don't think he was crooked.

I'm surprised he didn't retire a year or so ago. His wife retired more than a year ago and moved to their farm in the mountains.

I hope whatever this big scandal is it goes away. Unless the person responsible can retire I hope they are disciplined or fired. We don't need the bad reputation of crooked cops, like ATL, Detroit and others.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 10:00am.

Oh I absolutely agree I don't think Murray did anything crooked.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn, though, that Murray turned a blind eye to some questionable behavior of his subordinates. His last year or two in office was marked by, for lack of a better word, indifference. Almost as if he lost interest in his job. That's just my personal opinion though, I'm definitely not an insider like a couple of the folks here.
The Question They Will NOT Answer:How Much Jail Time?

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Submitted by JacquesMolay on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 9:12am.

I may be wrong, but I think all the department heads top out at $110,000 and all of them are at this point now. The starting pay for Chief in the advertisments was very deceptive. There is no way a new Chief would come in making less than the people he/she supervised. Interviews for Chief are this week, there are 3 internal candidates and several very good external candidates. Now, if one of the internal candidates gets the job you will see another mass exodus of officers. The department needs a fresh perspective,

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 9:25am.

Then the one you don't. I think there is some truth to that old saying.

I always worry we will get another depts. trouble. Criminals love controversy and they love it when cops and citizens are distracted.

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Sun, 02/03/2008 - 12:34pm.

that there is an awful lot known about this "secret investigation". Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Submitted by sageadvice on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 1:00pm.

There are things we know. There are things we don't know. There are things we know we know, and there are things we know we don't know. And, there are things we don't know we don't know. and there are things we don't know that we don't know. Then there are things we know but that we really don't know. Then there are those things that we should know but may not know. Those things that we should know but refuse to know are called republicans!

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Submitted by Hi There on Sun, 02/03/2008 - 12:27pm.

Smiles, I’m not sure if this is the mystery employee, but I heard there is an article due to come out in this Wednesday’s Citizen about former PTC Police Chief Murry. Also, someone told me they saw Channel 2 news at the PTC Rolly Polly Police Station either this past Friday or Saturday. Sure sounds fishy to me. Will the mystery employee please step forward!

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Tue, 02/05/2008 - 2:39pm.

It's on Murray and it's going to touch off a firestorm. I don't think it has anything to do with the secret investigation that is on-going....the newspaper story is likely coming from info the City turned over to the paper based on an open records request.

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