I heered bout thet maarine.
She raily got tooked.
On top uf thet, thu circus is short one juggler!
Thu pore gal wuz put tuh drivin a big, bit ole truck and got blewen up--way up!
Her girlfriend wuz pregnant at thu tim and it raily skeered her!
Carlos, Pedro, and Margarita and othur frands cum fer her funeril.
Air yuh insinuatin thet most uf them whut jine are stupid nough to sign up wif a clown?

Very funny Muddle. You are a man of many talents.

Code Pink extremism at its finest.

The video tribute is such a good reminder. I know several enrolled at the Air Force Academy and the Coast Guard Academy, as well as in other branches of the service. Almost all of these young adults come from "professional" families (i.e., college finances was not the over-riding reason for enlistment), and all have enlisted since 2001. None of them are following parental footsteps of military service. Like so many others, they have chosen to serve and will do so with honor. What a contrast they are to the Code Pinkies.

Spouting that old hero stuff----after they are dead or wounded, many for life.
Such BS. Sound like a recruiter.
Many of these kids have a great need for recognition because for whatever reason, they can't get it at home.
Some like the comfort of being taken care of permanently. You can't really fail in the military unless you are evil.
The lack of a draft is our problem.
You would see a much different military if EVERYONE had to do their share of "defending" us--if for just one hitch.
The overall quality simply isn't there, in the majority, without a draft! So we have untold pregnancies, robbers, killers, and mental cases far beyond the normal.
Even way too many academy graduates are abandoning the military after their required hitch--although it cost a million dollars to train them.
Why? Because of such stupid wars as we are into.

Nit,

According to you our military consist of a bunch of losers that can’t make it on their own.

And if they are killed in action their sacrifice means nothing?

Do your uncles, cousins and grandsons fall in the same category?

Or do your above comments only apply to anyone that doesn’t live in your twisted world?

Dude you need some serious help.

And yet one one more time your disdain for the military shows through. Just like Tillman you can't believe that these guys are patriotic, not looking for recognition, it just galls you to no end, doesn't it.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

You are a-died-in-the-wool, all one way person!
McCain can't be for anything the democrats are, and I can't criticize what is wrong with the military! The "military" is the Pentagon, not the boys.

Tilton gambled on a "huge" football contract upon discharge (he wasn't staying) and he lost. Just like Ollie North!

By the way, I did my time for four years, had numerous uncles and cousins who sacrificed greatly, and have grandsons doing their time.
I don't have "disdain for the military." Just the management.

Here's what you said, dollar, you died in the wool liar,Many of these kids have a great need for recognition because for whatever reason, they can't get it at home.
Some like the comfort of being taken care of permanently. You can't really fail in the military unless you are evil. I pasted these words directly from your blog.
You said the boys you liar,,, nothing about the Pentagon or officers you said the boys, once again you are trapped by your own words. It was also Tillman not Tilton and he walked away from a huge contract before enlisting. You are all about disdain for the military and as soon as you open your mouth it becomes apparent.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Your facts are also wrong on Tillman.

Which facts about Tillman are wrong,he turned down a 3.6 millon dollar contract to enlist in the Army, just for once maybe back up what you say. I do understand, that's why I call you on it. You saying that I quoted you wrong? Point out where.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Wouldn't a 50 million, ten year football contract for a national hero be better than 3.6 million for ONE year? Think of the tickets he would sell!
I know you see nothing wrong with this, but if he wanted to just go fight he didn't need to make such a fiasco out of it!

Like Ollie, his companions may have tried to shoot him!

You never answered my question, which facts did I have wrong? Let me point out that it was 3.6 Mil for 3 years not one. Now answer the rest of my question, which fact was wrong? PLEASE, just once back up your assertions with a fact, just once, your opinion don't count only a fact. Does getting killed in a war constitute a fiasco? You're a sick man.
I also notice you answer all the posts directed at dollar, if you're not dollar why is that?

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Nit,

According to you our military consist of a bunch of scum that can’t make it on their own.

And if they are killed in action their sacrifice means nothing?

Do your uncles, cousins and grandsons fall in the same category?

I assume your above comments only apply to anyone that doesn’t live in your twisted world?

As far as Tillman, (Fact) he was offered a $3.6 Million Dollar contract to stay.
Show me where someone stated they would give him a $50 Million Dollar contract when he came back.

How many people do you know would turn down $3.6 mil to join the military during a war and take a chance on being killed?

None.

trying to logic with him. I think it's his meds.
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Sadly,

I think you are right.

If you were to place an apple in front on him he would argue it‘s a orange.

That pretty much sums it up.
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Take another handful pills.
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But we still gotta love him.

Every now and then ole $ gits it right.

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I totally agree.

These soldiers willingly gave their lives for their country and should be honored as heroes by everyone.

There is no greater sacrifice.

God bless them and their families.

Excellent video.

All gave some
Some gave all

Guys, being a part of the US Military is simply service to one's country. Whether that term be three years or thirty, it's still service.
Regarding the recruiting within the Marine Corps, they still do not have to work that hard to obtain emlistments. I know of no shortfalls in recent memory. Factually, none of the services have much difficulties maintaining their force levels.
We have a long way to go to give ample recognition to these men and women, but during my lifetime I have seen substantial improvement. I have yet to hear of one returnee being spat upon, I have yet to notice anyone in uniform being shunned, nor have I noticed anyone in uniform being denied needed assistance.
Less than a generation ago, this was simply not the case. The same can be said for those involved in the Korean Conflict.
Those in our military serve serve for a myriad of reasons, but recognition is not one of them. Theirs is all about standing rigid during the National Anthem, knowing the meaning of taps and twenty-one guns, the willingness to share their last morsel of food or drink of water, and lastly to give until there is no more.
We as a nation are deeply indebted to them.

Thanks for the tribute Cy. A city that hates everything this great country stands for. And the response to such a statement is ever so predictable. Yet, I'm right.

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It wasn't Congress members Ron Dellums and Barbara Lee who said that. It was some nutty Library Trustee named Ying Lee who apparently at one time used to work for Dellums and Lee as an aide who said it. Lee and Dellums weren't there.

Sadly, Ying isn't the biggest idiot in the story. Take a closer look at Sharon Adams. She apparently thinks that because she is a civilian and we have civilian command of the military, it therefore follows that the job of regulating the military falls to her.

Jeff,

When I make a mistake I am man enough to admit it and will take my helping of crow now please.

My apologies to Congress members Ron Dellums and Barbara Lee for my stupid error.

I did reread the story and you are absolutely correct Ying Lee and Sharon Adams are the nuts that made those crazy statements. I stand corrected.

Even nut cases like them have a right to protest the war.

Do some recruiters lie? Maybe

But how in the world can they come up with this crap that a USMC recruiter can tell enough lies to a prospected recruit to make him or her want to join and the recruit not realize, there is a strong possibility he or she will be sent to Iraq and maybe coming home in a body bag.

Just doesn’t make sense.

Do they not have TV in Berkley?

I agree with Nuk the recruitment issue has nothing to do with politics, when you join the military you stand a chance of losing your life. If you don’t want to take the chance don’t join.

I try to stay on the side lines and not get involved in the political post on this site, because most of the time both sides bash each others members for several days and in the end no minds are changed.

I do not agree with a lot of your father’s comments or care for some of his books, but out of respect for his service to our country, I would never come on this site and bash him.

You rightly defend your father against all attacks.

I wonder if the people that bash your father think, one day you will just give in and rollover.

Think again folks.

My father is no longer with us; he served this country in two wars.

I am sure his contributions were not as great as the former President, but I would defend him to my last dying breath.

I think the recruiter is in error here. After signing up the kids, he should ask: you have heard of the MARINES before right? You have heard that there is a war going on correct? You do realize that in the past the Marines have been called on to fight?

If the answer to any of these questions is "no", then the recruiter has made a mistake by signing up someone too stupid for the military to have to deal with.

I will make exceptions for Ying Lee and Sharon Adams though. Suit me for them to go to Iraq in spite of their blithering idiocy.

Jeff,

If there are truly recruits that stupid, I wouldn’t want them in our military.

Now that you mention it, Ying Lee and Sharon Adams would be great at dismantling car bombs.

I salute your father!
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Thank You

What kind of idiots are there in Berkley?

The same ones that gave us The Peoples Republic of Berkeley and it's affiliated country down south; The peoples Republic of Santa Monica.
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Are those countries located anywhere close to the Republic of Nit or its brother country Republic of Picker?

They could be. I did ask Jeffc if his side would claim him. His response was as a liberal he thinks the village should take care of him.

BTW, The Peoples Republic of Santa Monica was where Jane Fonda and her then hubby Tom Hayden use to live. Rent control for everyone and landlords were evil capitalist that preyed on the poor people.
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Cy,

Ask Jeff if his village has a mental hospital that can handle Nit.

Nit told me earlier that he was tired of having to lead some people around with a leash.

I told him to put the leash on himself and lead himself to the nearest mental hospital that would accept a case as bad as his.

Chuckle!!!
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Their constituates want them to say that or they won't vote for them!
It is their right.
Same reason many Mormons don't fight, many Muhammed Ali's don't fight, many preachers don't fight. and many lawyers, doctors, judges, and executives sons don't fight.
They don't have to.
What do you think the recruiters ought to say to the recruits?

Yes, they have the right to protest the war and the right not to join the service.
We don’t have a draft.

I can’t believe that a recruiter for any branch of the military could tell anyone enough lies to entice an unwilling recruit to join.

You know that anyone that enters that recruitment office already knows about the war and the risk of being killed.

I joined during a war and was told that I would be shipped over seas to fight in that war.

I would assume that anyone with half a brain would know, if they join they are going to be sent to Iraq and there is a good possibility that they could come back in a body bag.

I'm sure that is what that 18 year old is thinking, yeah right!
A body bag---just what I want for the glory! Yeah!
Thinks the same things while driving 100 MPH on six beers on a crooked road!

I do agree with your point that most young people have the feeling that they are invincible and dying is the last thing on their minds.

But the parents should have known better and warned the kid. If in the end the kid ignored the parent’s advice and joined any way then he shouldn’t complain.

When I was seventeen I ignored my father’s advice and joined the military while a war was in progress. My reasons were different from most. I thought I was going to get even with the enemy for something that happened to my dad very early in the same war.

Once on the battle field I quickly learned you never get even.

The invincible feeling went away very quickly.

A friend of ours had a son who recently graduated from high school. He was a good student, good grades, athlete, his parents were not financially in a position to pay his way to college (read:Northwestern mechanic caught in the downsize). Talked to the army recruiter about plans to go to school by joining the Reserves. The recruiter told him, "Sure, sign up and you can go to school on our dime. We won't call you until your schooling is over, as long as you do your summer and monthly time". The boy signed up, went off to North Georgia College. Completed one semester, and was then told that he might as well not return to school because he was being called up in March for duty. Oh, I'm sorry, that never happens. No recruiter would ever lie to get somebody to join. Keep the faith

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Yardman,

This kid and his parents actually thought he could join the military during a war and not be called up?

And you state that he only joined to get a free college education and did not want to serve his country?

Gee,

I really feel bad that the mean old lying nasty recruiter told this poor smart athletic kid a pile of lies, just to so they could send him off to war and not have to provide him the free college education the US military owes him for doing nothing.

Maybe you being the good family friend should have told Junior’s mom and dad to spend some time with the college financial aide office and apply for the Hope Scholarship.

Since he made great grades and was smart he could have gotten a free education and he wouldn’t be facing going to war.

Well I guess his future now lies with your party and he better hope Hillary and Obama aren’t lying about ending the war.

I believe juniors story and I also still believe in the Easter Bunny

Between the kid and the parents no one realized that signing your life away to the Army just MIGHT mean that they can call you up to go anywhere at anytime??? Uh, he still didn't realize that after he spent the summer in Basic training? How can anyone be that dumb and in college?

That scenario has nothing to do with Bush or politics for that matter. Anytime you join the Army, there is a very real possibility you will see combat, whether that's in Iraq, being a target...err.."peacekeeper" somewhere, or even domestic strife in another state.

I never said he only joined the army for the free college education. Your sarcasm does little to mask your inability to grasp the fact that the entire Iraq adventure has been based on lies from top to bottom.

As for my "party" continuing to lie about ending the war, well, that remains to be seen, for unlike Mr. Bush, we can only base those sort of statements on conjecture, rather on the abysmal record of deception that has marked our government for the past 7 years. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Yardman,

I just want to clarify a couple points from the other day.

Regarding, your friend’s son, I certainly hope and pray that he returns home safety and in good health from Iraq.

I am sure that his parents are quite upset.

I was just trying to understand how someone could be lead to believe they would not be called to serve in Iraq if they joined the military.

I can understand how a young man fresh out of high school, might be snowed by a recruiter.

But I think it would take a lot more for the parents to be snowed.

Maybe they weren’t with him when he joined?

I truly meant no disrespect to the kid or his parents.

Sometimes in the heat of battle I tend to say a little too much.

You assume that I support the war and you assume that I am a Republican. You sure do assume a lot.

I get that you are a hard left Democrat and hate any other opinion that does not conform to your way of thinking.

Now back to what I actually said.

I stated that your friend’s son had better hope that Hillary and Obama aren’t lying about ending the war. I never said they were lying.

You were the one that stated the boy was looking for a free college education.

I just stated that I find it hard to believe that any recruiter could tell enough lies to make an unwilling prospected recruit join during a war.

I never stated that a recruiter never lies.

As far as your Bush bashing I don’t have a dog in that fight go ahead. But just remember, that it is just as bad as some of the other people that come on here and bash Jimmy Carter.

As I stated in a previous post, I voted for Carter the first time and voted him out the second time. I don’t agree with a lot of the stuff he says and don’t care for his books but I also stated in a previous post I respect his service in the military and as the President.

And I will not lower myself to some other people’s level and call him names.

Yeah, I am a beast on the outside but maybe not quite the beast that you think on the inside.

You assume that I support the war and you assume that I am a Republican. You sure do assume a lot.

I get that you are a hard left Democrat and hate any other opinion that does not conform to your way of thinking.

Spoken like a true...umm..."independent".

I am told, to be a true Republican I would be required to talk as bad about Carter as the Democrats do about Bush.

Ah yes the independent. The most sought after voter by both sides.
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Wow,

You thought of that all by yourself.

Don't tell anybody.

Yes it was. But it also was the catalyst that got Reagan elected as Governor of California.

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