The Victimhood Continues

Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund

It's amazing how Florida can recover from the most devistating hurricanes, yet Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana are still looking for a hand out after over 2 years. Billions and Billions poured into the region by government and they still need a hand-out. This isn't intended to sound mean or anything, but good grief, when will it ever end?

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Submitted by pentapenguin on Mon, 01/28/2008 - 11:47pm.

beaver, like what skyspy alluded to, the main problem in that area (well, in other places as well) is too many people for too long have relied upon government to solve their problems. What happened immediately after Katrina is proof of this: instead of THINKING and PLANNING ahead for a disaster like buying pre-buying food, water, and medical supplies, many people instead just plundered and stole supplies from stores. They just assumed the all powerful Imperial Federal Government would fly in from over the horizon and fix everything ASAP. And we all know what really happened. As the great Ronald Reagan said, "Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem." Self-reliance and hard work worked for 200+ years, and it still works. People need to wake up and realize that they, not the government, are usually responsible for their lives and well being.

* And just a note for all the liberals here who might want to misquote me: in NO WAY do I think those poor people deserved the death and destruction of Katrina. It was truly a tragedy, and I feel very sorry for everyone who lost their home or family members or friends.


Submitted by sageadvice on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 7:17am.

Old 20-mule team Borax, himself! Bought and paid for by General Electric! A Franklin Roosevelt man until the pay got better!

Make up your mind; are the N.O. victims bums or do you feel sorry for them?

It is of no matter that they are poor and even lazy and depressed, do we just ignore them? Somewhat our fault for allowing them to get into that condition!

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 8:56am.

Thats a good one. LOL!

You can't make people work for living and take care of themselves. If they don't want to work we shouldn't have to support them either.

Their "chocolate city" mayor had 2 days warning and could have easily kept his people safe by ordering an evacuation.

Maybe you could be our ambassador from the citizen and go down there and volunteer to help them?? I know I am speaking for everyone when I say we will miss you.

Submitted by sageadvice on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 12:06pm.

Why must you always not think?

Most of the residents of the poor neighborhoods who lived under the water line were either poor and had no vehicles, or were old and just surviving. Some gangsters also.

Just how did you think Mayor Nagin could tell them how to leave two days early? I don't know the number, but maybe 200,000 people including kids.
And to where?

I don't want them to live like that either, but we need to help get them out of that type of situation BEFORE an emergency, not expect it AFTER!

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 7:16pm.

Soooo, you're an expert in that department now? Laughing out loud

"Why must you always not think?" -- In a contest you'd lose before it even started. Laughing out loud

I remember seeing many "vehicles" under water and left behind. Many school buses, too. Many who refused to leave didn't really believe that there would be much damage and/or planned to loot their neighbors or party at the Superdome. Some were waiting for "Nanny" to move them. That's why many didn't leave. Some elderly didn't leave because they hoped not to lose everything to looters and didn't appreciate the danger. New Orleans had avoided being hit so many times that people became complacent. Any needless loss of life is sad. But trusting incompetent bureaucracies is not wise.

With all of your engineering expertise, why don't you go there and help them re-build and solve their problems?


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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 12:11pm.

the federal government do it?
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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 1:55pm.

how are you brother? the reason many of our tax dollars go to the Federal Emeqgency Mgt Admin is they are supposed to MANAGE emergencies. ray nagin was not the sharpest leader. not much a leader at all. but this was regional. three states. do you not call the fire dptmnt if lightning sets your house on fire? or do you do your best with the hose so you arent dependent on the govmnt? if the man you voted for has no responsibility here, why does he use them every speech? cheers Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 1:52pm.

how are you brother? the reason many of our tax dollars go to the Federal Emeqgency Mgt Admin is they are supposed to MANAGE emergencies. ray nagin was not the sharpest leader. not much a leader at all. but this was regional. three states. do you not call the fire dptmnt if lightning sets your house on fire? or do you do your best with the hose so you arent dependent on the govmnt? if the man you voted for has no responsibility here, why does he use them every speech? cheers Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 1:51pm.

how are you brother? the reason many of our tax dollars go to the Federal Emeqgency Mgt Admin is they are supposed to MANAGE emergencies. ray nagin was not the sharpest leader. not much a leader at all. but this was regional. three states. do you not call the fire dptmnt if lightning sets your house on fire? or do you do your best with the hose so you arent dependent on the govmnt? if the man you voted for has no responsibility here, why does he use them every speech? cheers Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 4:16pm.

I'm finishing up a 6 day trip to Tel Aviv.

"Nit" wrote,

Just how did you think Mayor Nagin could tell them how to leave two days early? I don't know the number, but maybe 200,000 people including kids.
And to where?

OK, I'll direct the question to you.

Does the federal government have the wherewithal to evacuate that many people and move them out of harms way?
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Submitted by sageadvice on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 4:30pm.

The point is those who say they should have "left" on their own don't know of which they speak!
It was a set-up that blew up.
Want to know some other set-ups we have in the USA?
There are many.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 4:40pm.

It was a set-up that blew up.

So I guess Nagin failed.
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Submitted by sageadvice on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 5:43pm.

You don't like that guy, do you?

He is one of the best they have ever had--not saying too much however.

Army Corp Of Engineers and the Commission who oversaw the thing is to blame. They never told anyone to move!

Mayors are just daily handlers!

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 5:50pm.

No, Hack doesn't like him. The Army Corp of Engineers was responsible for moving people? Really! Please tell us more.
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Submitted by sageadvice on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 6:11pm.

What on earth are you talking about?

The Corps designed and had the flood walls built (incorrectly).

I assumed you knew that!

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 6:52pm.

Most of those people have never had to stand on their own two feet before, why would they start now?

They have been told that the whole world owes them a living, it is the way they have been raised.

They don't want to blame their own "chocolate city" mayor, who was warned, and had a football field worth of school buses that could have saved people from the storm. So of course it is everyone else's fault. The rest of the people in the U.S. held a gun to their heads and told them that living in a flood plain was a smart idea. Yeah that's the ticket. Shame on the rest of us.

The million dollar question is why they are rebuilding in those same areas?

Submitted by sageadvice on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 7:26am.

Nobody would drive the buses! No where to go and camp! Nobody wanted them anywhere! No body to buy the gas!Nobody had the keys except the school bus drivers, they weren't interested in driving to "nowhere" with no food, water or money! No toilets on the buses--a mess in the road, I'm afraid!
Only the gangsters would have gotten onto the buses, not the crippled old people and small kids.

There simply was no plan by the Army Corp of Engineers for it to flood, and no plan by the City, State, or FEMA if it did!

They lived there because that was all they could afford!
Their children will be the same way. Let us not let the grandchildren be that way!

I'll just bet if we had a catastrophe in Atlanta and the metro section, such as a bomb or poison, you like most others would want help also. No, you would just take it when you got hungry! So would I.

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Submitted by BPR on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 7:21pm.

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The Mayor and the Governor of the state knew it was coming, also they knew ahead of time it would happen sooner or later.

What is so sad they did not get people out of Nursing Homes etc. People that could not help them self.

To me I blame the Mayor and Governor for not doing their job. They told people they had one day to leave. They knew this storm was coming, now how can everyone leave at once. To me you should have given 3 days notice- leave.

I don't have any respect for the Mayor or Governor, they did not do their job.

If I had lived there, I would not go back.

My husband had a radio job offer there once- major bucks, I must say even though we were in our 20's we did not have any desire to live there, money did not matter.

I can't imagine loosing everything- I would leave find another job in another state.

They came here, now I know there are jobs here, it may not be the job you want but you have to make a living. Then they get mad because we say by now you should have a job- they should. There are jobs in Atlanta. To me take the job, look for what you want on the side.

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Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 7:29pm.

You are right it is sad especially since all of those buses were available for people with no cars.

Anyway I could go on about this forever. Why are they building below lake Ponchtatrane? Doesn't make sense.

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Submitted by BPR on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 7:40pm.

My heart broke for them- kids- elderly people, just people they did not know what was going to happen next. Sorry, being a animal lover, they broke my heart also- believe me my animals would go with me.

I found it so heart breaking I stopped watching it.

I pray it does not happen again- I think they all should just move from there, it could happen again.

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Submitted by sageadvice on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 8:43pm.

I suppose you would take the animals instead of one of those kids you spoke of? Of course not---you mis-spoke!

Submitted by sageadvice on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 3:31pm.

Reasons different than FL:
Half million in one place. No way to personally re-build.
Our government flooded the place by ignoring it.
Mostly cheap houses, rented. Still under flood plain.
Insurance not available for such places.
Special kind of jobs there for those people (low wages, cheap rent).
Apples and oranges.
Money has been spent to live on elsewhere!

Submitted by thebeaver on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 3:48pm.

Nit,

Were people forced to live below the flood plain? If they didn't realize that they were in a flood plain and that the levies could break, wasn't that the fault of the government at the State, and not the Federal level. Just like the state of Louisiana and Mayor Chocolate City Nagin did nothing to evacuate the people of New Orleans.

Wasn't the state government responsible for flooding the place?

The Federal government was no more responsible for the levies breaking than they are for the drought situation in Georgia. It is inept leadership of Governor Perdue that has brought us into this mess, not the Feds.

“...the term “democrat” originated as an epithet and referred to ‘one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses.’”

Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 12:45pm.

Putting the current Republican administration in charge of US government and economy is like turning your car over to a bunch of teenage boys. (Taken from the AJC VENT) Your anger with the 'poor' and 'less educated' is suspicious. Your 'racism' is apparent. Thank heavens not all Republicans and conservatives are like you.

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