Some neighbors make an appeal FOR big box OK on PTC’s west side

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 5:08pm
By: John Munford

Tim Lydell and Paul Van’t Hof are hoping to convince their fellow Peachtree City residents that the City Council should abandon Line Creek Drive and Line Creek Circle to make room for a “better” shopping center off Ga. Highway 54 West, next to Planterra Way.

And they’re hoping those residents will feel compelled to email their council members, urging the action.

The shopping center will be in the backyard of Cardiff Park, where Lydell lives, and also will affect the Planterra Ridge subdivision, where Van’t Hof lives, south of Cardiff Park.

The road abandonment proposal has drawn heated criticism from many residents and the two newest members of the council.

Opponents of the road sale to the developer have said the city should avoid setting the precedent of selling public property to enable any commercial development, especially one that would bring in a big box store.

Although selling the roads to Capital City Development creates the possibility of a big box store coming to the site, Lydell and Van’t Hof argue it’s the best choice for a number of reasons, including:

• The development would be styled similar to The Avenue shopping center;

• The big box retailer, Kohl’s, has agreed to changes to the facade such as awnings, that will make the 89,000-square-foot store “fit” in Peachtree City;

• Because Kohl’s has stores in Newnan and Fayetteville, a store in Peachtree City would not be a regional draw;

• There would be a 70- to 140-foot natural buffer between Cardiff Park and the shopping center (more than required by city ordinance) and the entrance road will be lined with trees up between four and six caliper inches in diameter;

• The grade of the site will be reduced 20-plus feet to further screen it from view from adjacent residents in Cardiff Park; that would be impossible if the roads remain as-is;

• Kohl’s has agreed to forbid delivery trucks between 8 p.m. and 8 a.m.;

• The plan is more pedestrian-friendly than two other plans that have been submitted; and

• The developer has agreed to seek retailers for the smaller stores from a list submitted by a citizen’s committee.

In short, Lydell said, “It would look a lot more like Peachtree City.”

If a less-than-stellar shopping center goes in, it could affect the property values of residents in a two- or three-mile radius, Lydell said.

A decision on the road abandonment is expected to be made at the Feb. 7 council meeting. Even if the road abandonment were approved, the development would still need a special use permit from the City Council to build any big box stores on the parcel.

If the roads are abandoned, developer Doug McMurrain would still need to come to an agreement with council on a transaction to purchase or swap land for them.

The parcel is already zoned for general commercial use, so something will be built there and soon, Lydell said.

If the roads remain in the city’s possession, McMurrain plans to build a 99,000-square-foot shopping center that includes a gas station directly off the highway. Lydell said McMurrain also has interest from a restaurant that would have a regional draw.

“A gas station does not create the aesthetic that the citizens of Peachtree City want to have in their commercial developments,” Van’t Hof said.

No matter what type of shopping center is built, traffic will be an issue in the corridor anyway, chiefly because of the million-square-foot retail development planned in Coweta County at Hwy. 54 and Fischer Road, Van’t Hof said. It is not known whether a traffic light will be required on Hwy. 54 at Line Creek Parkway to serve the development.

The roads remaining as is would also eliminate the grade reduction on the site that was proposed to soften the view for Cardiff Park residents.

There is a third possibility McMurrain has proffered, with the city still abandoning the roads and Capital City Development building two smaller big box stores just upwards of 40,000 square feet each instead of the Kohl’s store. That plan contemplates the addition of a grocery store use in one of the largest stores.

While that plan also needs tweaking, it is still better than the smaller shopping center with the gas station, Lydell and Van’t Hof said.

Both development proposals that include the roads being abandoned also have a list of 20-plus conditions that McMurrain has agreed to, ranging from installation of a security fence to installation of a six-foot berm along Cardiff Park with a six-foot visual screen fence on top.

Van’t Hof noted that all the conditions are enforceable because they would be recorded as part of the deed for the property.

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Submitted by John M on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 10:33am.

I applaud Councilman Haddix's position on opposing the Kohl's and not giving up the city streets. Apparently, our "developer mayor" forgot to check out the results of the last city council election.

Lydell and Van't Hof are just being cry babies.

"I'm NOT John Munford"

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 8:25pm.

I see mcBULLY finally targeted the WEAKEST LINKS. Good job. Still lets not give the idiot our city streets. He only bought the property in our city not the streets. If that was a poor buisness plan on his part.....oh well.....go back to AZ.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 2:42pm.

Please click the link in my sig line to read on this issue.

Don Haddix
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Submitted by Mike King on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 2:57pm.

Remain patient, your goals and mine are the same. Keep up the good work.


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Submitted by Mike King on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 10:33am.

Seems the citizens of Peachtree City are ready to go through this process once again.
The developer (landowner) wants to make a profit on his investment and a very vocal and concerned public wants to dictate what should be built. Big box venues, while are a source of revenue for a cash strapped city, pleases one side while while creating rancor with the other.
Hard decisions are going to have to be made and I, for one, have confidence in the two newly elected Councilmen to fulfill their campaign rhetoric. On the other hand, there are three others who will have a distinct say regarding the issue. How they vote will be the determining factor.
What concerns me is that many seem to have disregarded the fact that landowners have their rights just as you and I. Should a proposal come forward, be it a gas station or restaurant or whatever, it will be approved as long as it meets the criteria currently on the books. To disapprove such a proposal would cost the taxpayers of our fair town legal expenses and have the proposal rammed down our throats.
The time is upon us for the Council to either convince the landowner to submit a proposal that meets code or accept a reasonable compromise as to what is to be built.
To continue to delay indefinitely will only serve to be detremental to Peachtree City. Unless the property is purchased by the city it will be developed.


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Submitted by Hoosier Fan on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 2:29pm.

Mike, your comments are right on target. I fully agree that each property owner has a right to develop their property, WITHIN THE ZONING CODES ESTABLISHED BY THE COMMUNITY.

What frustrates me is the sense that some commercial developers seem to have an attitude of "I knew what the zoning restrictions were when I bought this property, but I was hoping the community would allow me to do something different..."

If I purchased a home in Planterra Ridge knowing the area is zoned for single family residential and then decided to do a teardown for the purpose of building a five-story apartment building, I should not be surprised if the community attempted to block my actions - even if my next door neighbors on either side thought it was okay.

Why has that been so difficult for some of our commercial developers to understand? What am I missing here?


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Submitted by Mike King on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 2:43pm.

Unfortunately, those on City Council for too long have elected to amend or grant exceptions to existing variances without concern for quality of life. Until we make a habit of enforcing these standards we will continue to see this over and over.
It was not until the most recent Council election that placing our Comprehensive Land Use Plan got much attention and Don Haddix is correct when he says that it must be placed into law. Then and only then will exceptions be just that-exceptions and not the norm.


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Submitted by Violetsunshine on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 10:47am.

You have this issue broken down where I can understand what the choices/concerns/consequences are. Thank you for this input.
Too many opinions have been floated-you seem to be stating the facts.


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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 8:01pm.

Here it is! Developer has 2 residents in his pocket after giving the big threat about how bad their neighborhood will be if he can't come in and save it.

Then they speak out in favor of his plans. If I were Steve Brown, I would start looking for the condo in Florida that has been offered up for the resident's support.

Since I am not Steve Brown, I have decided that the resident's support is completely innocent, well-intentioned and sincere.


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Submitted by Hoosier Fan on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 7:49pm.

It appears to me a majority of the voters in PTC already expressed their opinion on this issue in November and December when they elected Don Haddix and Doug Sturbaum to the PTC City Council.

Instead of trying to override the mandate of the recent election, maybe you two should work harder to get your friend, Doug McMurrain, to submit a development plan that meets the standards of the community.


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