A modest proposal for new state Rep. Ramsey

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 4:58pm
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Now that the Georgia legislature is in session, it is time for our state representative to do the job we voters sent him there to do, which is protecting the lives of preborn children.

The late Dan Lakly, our previous representative, was a good man and a pro-life man, but as a grandfather he did not have the same sense of urgency towards pro-life issues that a younger man like Matt Ramsey brings.

I hope and pray that Rep. Ramsey does not allow himself to be sucked into the usual false arguments put forward by liberals, such as exceptions for rape, mother’s health, etc.

I realize that it has become quite trendy to refer to women that have been raped as if they are somehow “victims,” when of course they are nothing of the sort. A life is a life regardless of the circumstances surrounding its conception.

If a woman was in fact raped, she must play the hand that was dealt to her, accept it as God’s will, and raise the interracial baby as her own. I would urge this woman to think of her child as a beautiful rainbow that occurs after a terrible hurricane.

Some women, even some poor misguided Christian women, believe they should have a “right” to abort a child conceived of rape. Well, a woman should have thought of that before she walked down that dark alley without a male presence (father, brother, husband, church elder and their family, etc.), not to mention she should have thought before putting on revealing attire.

If we “liberate” a woman from the responsibility of her child, I’ll tell you what happens: She is then free to go have relations again, or go down that dark alley again, and get impregnated again. The cycle repeats itself.

A woman should realize that she is officially bound to the child once it has been fertilized inside her, and must take care of it.

Another justification that liberals typically use is “mother’s health.” Liberals like to use words like “ectopic” to scare people into thinking that a mother is just going to die if she doesn’t get her precious abortion.

Well, I don’t know what “ectopic” means or even if it is a real word, nor do I have any need to know. What I do know that in any event it cannot be used as an excuse for an abortion.

You’ve seen those bumper stickers that say, “It’s a child, not a choice”? I would add that even more than a child, it’s a consequence. It’s a consequence of people’s behavior, and people should be made to deal with the consequences of their behavior.

What many people, even good Christian people, fail to realize is that rape is typically God’s punishment for a specific sin, whether it’s being a woman and being alone without the presence of a male chaperone, immodest or immoral dress, going to bars (alone or in groups), being alone in the company of a man you’re not married to (or related to), disobeying your parents and sneaking off to a friend’s house, missing church service, or attending public school. This is not a comprehensive list, just a small representative sample.

I am aware that there is a small but loud group of belligerent atheists and agnostics here in Fayette County who scoff at our good Christian beliefs about abortion. This is typical of the persecution we must face. We Christians should stand strong and support Rep. Ramsey as he does the Lord’s work for us in the legislature.

Doris Conner

Fayetteville, Ga.

[Editor’s note: Before responding, readers should peruse Jonathan Swift’s “A Modest Proposal” lest they fall prey to the condition cited in Wikipedia: “Even today, readers unacquainted with its reputation as a satirical work often do not immediately realize that Swift was not seriously proposing cannibalism (and of course, infanticide). It is no longer true, as it was in Swift’s time, that any educated reader would be familiar with the satires of Horace and Juvenal, and so recognize that Swift’s essay follows the rules and structure of Latin satires.”]

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Submitted by somesomething on Sat, 01/26/2008 - 2:30am.

"If a woman was in fact raped, she must play the hand that was dealt to her, accept it as God’s will, and raise the interracial baby as her own. I would urge this woman to think of her child as a beautiful rainbow that occurs after a terrible hurricane."

That gave me a chuckle.

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Submitted by Eightball on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 8:51am.

This opinion of yours has nothing to do with politics but your view on abortion. What a sad state of mind you are in to say there are no victims of rape just women asking for abuse. You sound like satan putting the blame on God for something evil. God is good and does not conceive life from something as evil and wicked as rape. Yes, I do believe in the santity of life but not at the expense of evil. Tell me Doris are you really a man who abuses women! Are you hiding in a dark alley waiting for your next victim?


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Submitted by Dan Tennant on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 9:31pm.

Hey Cal, call me naive, but this ain't satire, partner...


Submitted by Daniel Ross on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 9:34pm.

Only Doris and The Citizen know whether this is satire or not (the citizen would know if Doris put in a disclaimer).

I for one am taking it as satire and am comparing it to Jonathon Swift's "A Modest Proposal".

Now, if Doris replies to this and says it's not a satire, then I'm going to have a problem.
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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 9:44pm.

Denise Conner?

Just thought I would ask, since you both have the same last name.

And your views are a bit similar. Hmmmmm??? Puzzled


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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 8:44am.

NO, we're not related. However, last July I did reference Swift's satiric piece in a post.

"Well, I don’t know what 'ectopic' means or even if it is a real word, nor do I have any need to know." -- Doesn't sound like me at all. Laughing out loud

This sounds more like the work of someone like Bamati, who delights in mocking those with a different position. He does have a creative side -- I do find it coincidental Laughing out loud that "Doris Conner" is so similar to "Denise Conner" (even with the same spelling). But I find it hard to believe that he'd be able to pull in his fangs long enough to pretend to be a right-wing nut. But, maybe his "time of reflection" has helped him to develop more self-control. Puzzled Laughing out loud


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 10:02am.

I have to admit when I first read this piece I thought either Conner has a relative as equally unhinged as she is; or her handwriting is so atrocious that the Citizen staff couldn't decipher her signature correctly.

I don't, however, think this Conner is our Conner. For one thing, this Conner states a central theme and sticks to it, something our Conner is loathe to do. Secondly, there are no "weasel words" from this Conner that are so prevalent in the online version of Conner.

I find it mildly amusing that Conner's powerful intellect (i.e. the mind that considers "fertilization" a synonym for "pregnancy") has taken a giant leap of faith and determined that the writer is actually the late great basmati.
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Submitted by Denise Conner on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 9:34pm.

"Unhinged" Puzzled Do you know some of my DEMOCRAT relatives? One's been closely associated with one of our former Democrat presidents. One's been in the IBEW and a rabid Carter supporter. Some HATED President Reagan almost as much as you hate Pres. Bush. Laughing out loud

"Our Conner" -- How touching! Laughing out loud

BTW, my handwriting's quite legible. Have you ever practiced calligraphy? Laughing out loud

Spinning again! I quoted the Atlas of Human Embryology: "Fertilization is the beginning of the pregnancy and can be considered as the beginning of a new life." (Excellent resource!)

Pregnancy: the condition of having a developing embryo or fetus in the body, after the union of an oocyte and spermatozoon (i.e., fertilization), which forms a single-celled zygote [with its own unique DNA] (Dorland's Medical Dictionary)

Implantation: attachment of the blastocyst [which is the next stage after zygote] to the epithelial lining of the uterus, its penetration through the epithelium, and, in humans, its embedding in the stratum compactum of the endometrium, occurring six or seven days after fertilization of the oocyte (Dorland's Medical Dictionary)

Gestation Period: the duration of pregnancy, in humans being about 266 days (38 weeks) from the time of fertilization until birth. In obstetrics, it is instead considered to begin on the first day of the woman's last normal menstrual period prior to fertilization, thus being about 280 days (40 weeks) (Dorland's Medical Dictionary)

The Mayo Clinic: Pregnancy begins with a fertilized egg. Normally, the fertilized egg attaches itself to the lining of the uterus. With an ectopic pregnancy, the fertilized egg implants somewhere else.

American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists: (ACOG) Ectopic Pregnancy -- A pregnancy in which the fertilized egg [zygote] begins to grow in a place other than inside the uterus, usually in the fallopian tubes [i.e., the blastocyst (the fertilized “egg” at about 4 days after fertilization – the stage after the single-cell zygote and before implantation, which occurs approximately 7 days after fertilization and the developing baby is now called an embryo) fails to implant in the uterus but remains in the tube and continues to develop]

Pregnancy is a sequence of events that normally includes fertilization, implantation, embryonic growth, and fetal growth that terminates in birth.

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It wasn’t until 1959 at a Planned Parenthood/Population Council symposium that Swedish researcher Dr. Bent Boving suggested that the word "conception" should be associated with the process of implantation instead of fertilization, a “prudent habit of speech” to be employed when discussing birth control with the less knowledgeable public. Dr. Boving wanted to change the definition to ameliorate Dr. Abraham Stone’s words presented at a 1952 Planned Parenthood Conference ("Research in Contraception: A Review and Preview"): “Method[s] that would prevent ovulation or fertilization merely prevent life from beginning.... Measures designed to prevent implantation fall into a different category. Here there is a question of destroying a life already begun.” (The FDA approved the Pill for limited use in 1960.)

Of course, the public did not know about the “bait and switch” tactics of PP. Now, I doubt few would care about the difference. PP’s rhetoric has been successful.

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Planned Parenthood continues to promote this fallacy:

The hormones in combination and progestin-only pills also thin the lining of the uterus. In theory, this could prevent pregnancy by interfering with implantation of a fertilized egg. But there is no scientific evidence that this occurs.

WRONG!

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American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists:

Birth control pills are made of hormones that prevent ovulation [but not always -- typical failure rate of 5% (for known pregnancies)]. The hormones in the pill cause changes in the cervical mucus and the lining of the uterus. The cervical mucus thickens, which blocks the sperm from entering the cervix. The lining of the uterus thins, making it less likely that a fertilized egg can attach to it. [If the embryo fails to attach itself to the uterus and gain sustenance from the lining, then it will die.] Together, these events make it very unlikely [but not impossible] that someone taking the pill will become pregnant [and know it.] [How many pregnancies end in the first few weeks isn't known.]

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American Pregnancy Association:

The lining of the uterus becomes thinner, making it more difficult for a fertilized egg to attach to the uterus should ovulation occur and fertilization take place.

Ethical Considerations: The contraceptive methods [the Pill] that involve the changing of the lining of the uterus to prevent implantation from occurring create an ethical or moral consideration for some people.

Some people believe that life begins at conception whereas others believe it begins at implantation. The ethical consideration develops for individuals who believe that life begins at conception.

When contraceptive methods fail to prevent ovulation or fertilization, the changing of the uterine lining is used to prevent the fertilized egg or “life” from implanting in the uterine wall. It is this action that leaves people believing they have crossed an ethical boundary.

[Of course, one of the biological qualifications for life is growth and development. Movement is another.]

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Of course, abortionists don't define pregnancy Eye-wink until the woman decides that she wants the baby (OK to call her a mother now). Even in the 9th month she can get rid of the POC (products of conception). Shocked


Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 4:46am.

How many of these non-aborted, contraceptively not prevented, children do you have?
How many did you nearly have otherwise?
Just checking on experience and probable experience!

Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 4:45am.

How many of these non-aborted, contraceptively not prevented, children do you have?
How many did you nearly have otherwise?
Just checking on experience and probable experience!

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 10:11pm.

"Doctor", you're very accomplished at cut and paste.

You haven't proven a thing, but you're very accomplished at cut and paste.

*shaking head*

Once again: You need BOTH fertilization and implementation into the uterus to achieve pregnancy.

You fertilize an egg, you're halfway there. Republicans want to equate fertilization with pregnancy, so birth control pills and other hormonal methods that prevent implementation would be outlawed under the language of HR536.

No amount of your re-interpretation or misdirection changes that underlying fact, "Doctor".

And to answer your initial question, the authors of HR536 are the "weasels".

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Thu, 01/31/2008 - 10:48pm.

"More cut and paste" -- Whine, whine, whine. I should keep count how many times you complain about that topic.

"you're very accomplished" -- Thanks!

"You fertilize an egg, you're halfway there." -- No, actually you're only 1/266 of the way there. I can tell that you've never been pregnant! A 2-day gestation period would be A LOT more comfortable! Laughing out loud

Gestation Period: the duration of pregnancy, in humans being about 266 days (38 weeks) from the time of fertilization until birth (Dorland's Medical Dictionary)

The Mayo Clinic: Pregnancy begins with a fertilized egg. Normally, the fertilized egg attaches itself to the lining of the uterus [unless there's an ectopic pregnancy (implantation in an area without enough space or nurturing tissue to sustain the developing child) or a birth control method that interferes with implantation by rendering the lining of the uterus inhospitable to the blastocyst].

Ectopic Pregnancy: 6-week embryo in its amniotic sac -- Cute baby! Smiling

Oviduct with an ectopic pregnancy

Gross pathology of 6-week embryo from a tubal pregnancy

"implementation" -- Do you mean IMPLANTATION? Laughing out loud

I nor any medical / biology resource denies that without implantation the new life (i.e., baby) will die; it cannot continue to grow / develop unless it attaches to the uterine lining.

If you are deprived of nutrition (like what happened to Terri Schindler Schiavo), then you will die. Simple to understand.

"*shaking head*" -- Do you hear rattling sounds when you do that? Laughing out loud

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Fri, 02/01/2008 - 1:52am.

I recognize the above post is as close as I am ever going to get as an apology from you, I will accept your apology (even with all of your trademark snark) in the spirit of good Christian forgiveness.

Now that you have had a chance to research the topic a bit more, you have come to your senses and agree with me that the beginning of pregnancy requires two components: actual fertilization of the egg and implantation into a woman's womb.

Given your new position in light of your recent research, are you now willing to admit that HR536 does, in fact, ban hormone-based birth control such as the birth control pill and IUD?

You'll recall that the proposed (flawed) legislation defines a "paramount right to life" as "including unborn children (sic)at every state of their biological development, including fertilization (emphasis added)

Now, I'm no legal scholar (and neither are you, btw) but a layman's reading of that foolish proposed legislation seems to grant "rights" to a fertilized egg irrespective of whether or not it has been implanted.

Since hormone-based birth control has the inherent ability to prevent implantation, the fertilized egg's proposed "rights" are being interfered with, and given the proposed legislation's declaration that these new "rights" are "paramount", wouldn't that by definition BAN birth control pills and such?

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sat, 02/02/2008 - 1:13pm.

Agree with you? Laughing out loud

The beginning of pregnancy requires ONE component: fertilization of the egg. The CONTINUATION of pregnancy requires implantation into a woman's womb.

You're the one who needs to do more "research." Maybe Dollar could help. Laughing out loud

"The proposed amendment [HR 536] establishes a constitutional principle; it does not enact legislation."

Griswold v. Connecticut would have to be challenged, and there are likely enough "penumbras" and "emanations" to keep it viable. Any attempt to ban BC pills would cause an uprising of unbelievable proportions. The French Reign of Terror would pale in comparison. Sad


Submitted by sageadvice on Sat, 02/02/2008 - 5:13pm.

I wish you would leave Griswold out of this. He took a vacation in Europe and lost his camera. He also caused Walt Disney much trouble at Disneyland!

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Sat, 02/02/2008 - 1:41pm.

Conner, in all seriousness, did your parents write you a note exempting you from high school biology?

Using your inane definition of "pregnancy", an in-vitro fertilization clinic that successfully fertilizes an egg in a test tube had made the test tube "pregnant" by definition.

Try again, Conner. Try again.

BTW, you can make soothing, calming remarks regarding Griswold v. Connecticut but we both know that your side treats laws they disapprove of as "advisory" in nature (see also:Samuel Alito).

Worth repeating are the recent remarks of the noted board philosopher Jeff Carter: Regarding you and your fellow anti-abortion zealots: "they are fanatics, rightly or wrongly, who will do anything, say anything, misrepresent any position, use any tactic to discredit an opponent and tell any lie to have their agenda implemented into law."

Amen, brother Jeff, Amen.
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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sat, 02/02/2008 - 2:34pm.

Woman are pregnant; test tubes are not. What is in the test tube (or frozen) is a child in his earliest stage of development.

If a fertilized egg is in a test tube (a substitute female reproductive part), then the natural process of pregnancy has been interrupted. If allowed to continue, a child will be born. You could look at my friend's 3 IVF children, if you need a visual aid.


"Frozen Embryo Survives Katrina Flood: Noah Is Born"

WASHINGTON, Jan 17 (Reuters) - A baby boy who as a frozen embryo was saved from the flood spawned by Hurricane Katrina in 2005 has been born in a hospital in the New Orleans area and named for Noah, who safely navigated the biblical flood.

Even though the child to be born is the offspring of both the mother and father, only the mother is pregnant, i.e, "carrying developing offspring within the body." Check the definition. You do know how, don't you?

Pregnancy: the condition of having a developing embryo or fetus in the body, after the union of an oocyte and spermatozoon (i.e., fertilization, whether natural or IVF), which forms a single-celled zygote [with its own unique DNA] (Dorland's Medical Dictionary)

Enjoy worshipping at the shrine of "the noted board philosopher Jeff Carter." Puzzled

Fanatics? You must be thinking of those NARAL Nags, especially the ones at Berkley. You know. Like the ones at Planned Parenthood who still spread their propaganda that "there is no scientific evidence" that BC interferes with implantation of a fertilized egg. Shocked

Go look in the mirror if you want to see a fanatic "who will do anything, say anything, misrepresent any position, use any tactic to discredit an opponent and tell any lie."


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Sat, 02/02/2008 - 5:19pm.

Okay, so now we're back to your initial erroneous position that "fertilization is a synonym for pregnancy", which you later disavowed, then denied that you disavowed, then disavowed again, and now are denying that you disavowed your second disavowel.

Conner, your "logic" has more gyrations than a Cirque du Soleil rehearsal!
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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sat, 02/02/2008 - 5:39pm.

Re-read the posts S-L-O-W-L-Y and re-read. I feel like I'm talking to $. Shocked

I didn't "disavow" anything. You attributed your own faulty statement to me.

Gestation Period: the duration of pregnancy, in humans being about 266 days (38 weeks) from the time of fertilization until birth (Dorland's Medical Dictionary)

Fertilization -- That's the step that STARTS the whole process, which, hopefully, ends with a healthy newborn, but not always.


Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 01/27/2008 - 10:05am.

Who ever said basmati was great?

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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 8:21pm.

Did you really say

"Well, a woman should have thought of that before she walked down that dark alley without a male presence (father, brother, husband, church elder and their family, etc.), not to mention she should have thought before putting on revealing attire."

Get a grip on reality. Abortion is ok for rape and incest (which is rape). Government should not have a role in regulating baby killing for the convenience of the mother - that is between the mother and her "fetus" and her moral structure a.k.a. "Church"

Abortion is wrong, immoral and a big part of the decline of our society. Nevertheless, it is between a woman (sometimes her husband) and God. Government does not have a role in this - leave it alone.

And even if you think government should be involved - what can Matt Ramsey do about it? He's a State Rep in GA. We gonna pass an anti-abortion law and get taken to the Supreme Court? Matt gonna do that?


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 8:43pm.

our society to decline?

A woman’s right to choose is big part of all that?

I would have included fanatical religious leaders and followers along with government intrusion into areas of personal choice or maybe the current state of the economy or the war without end in your list of reasons.

I must admit that when I finished the letter, just before Cal's note, I was ready to see if Git would let me borrow his rope.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 8:12pm.

make me a little angry.

"If a woman was in fact raped, she must play the hand that was dealt to her, accept it as God’s will, and raise the interracial baby as her own. I would urge this woman to think of her child as a beautiful rainbow that occurs after a terrible hurricane."

How dare she imply this!!!!

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Submitted by hutch866 on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 8:14pm.

I would like to think this is satire, but it still torque's my jaw anyway.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 8:21pm.

Like MS, I feel reacted a little too quickly.
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Submitted by Daniel Ross on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 8:42pm.

That's why a lot of wise people have said not to judge a book by its cover and to read/think things through before commenting.

Having said that, I too almost overreacted.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 7:45pm.

in Fayette County! Shocked

This has got to be a joke-letter.

If not, it's time to leave Redneckistan for greener, and SAFER, pastures.


Submitted by bobcat on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 2:20pm.

Are you related to $, Nickpicker, Grateful Doc, Sofa(what a shame) Sniffles.

I can not imagine any man marrying you- must have been desperate-
maybe while in the South- women can teach you to be a lady.

Was everyone in your family vulgur? I knew you were not from here- women are not like you- if they were I would not be married.

My wife is a lady. She does not talk about vulgur subjects like you do- that church, after your language who would go there?

You act like you hate the world- you need help kid.

Submitted by Daniel Ross on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 7:53pm.

Read through Jonathon Swift's "A Modest Proposal" and look into the time period during which it was written and then reread this letter.

It should be available for free somewhere on the net

P.S. Jonathon Swift also wrote Gulliver's Travels.
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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 8:07pm.

thanks... I feel better.

I'll go unpack my bags and stay a while.


Submitted by Daniel Ross on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 8:08pm.

No problem. I too was worried until I got down to the Editor's Note.

Then I laughed.
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Submitted by Mike King on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 5:20pm.

You, dear woman, are to be commended for the fervent beliefs you hold dear. That said, I would ask you to consider that although I believe that life is, indeed sacred, it is neither you nor I who will judge in the end.
A woman's decision to abort a fetus must remain between herself, her concience, and her God. You and I have no say.
Logic tells me that should all Americans believe as you, then the Islamist would be correct in forcing their religion upon the world.
Is it not your religious values that you are attempting to force upon others?


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Submitted by BPR on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 6:00pm.

I think everyone does not compehend this is God's choice for a baby to be conceived, not ours- we don't make babies- God does.

People have feel will to have sex- but it is God that makes the baby.

Ask me I prayed 12yr. God blest me- God made my son not my fetus. I thank God daily for it.

How would you feel if your Mom aborted you?
we will answer to God: it's sin- btw it's not a fetus it is a baby, I did not have a fetus, I had a baby.

We do have a say yes - God I killed my baby that you created.

Abortion is legal murder that is sadly allowed in U.S.

Yardman does not support it- he's a Democrate.

IT's not religious values, it's called God's values- he values babies.

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Submitted by BPR on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 1:32am.

I'm not judge- if you read your bible- you know God is judge- Babies hare humans that God created- murder is a sin- to have a abortion is sin- but God in is merciful, gracious forgiveness will forgive us. Still this is not a ticket to abortion.

The bible says it is sin and murder- read- it's in there.

We are not God, we don't have the right when life should begin and end.

Rembember God is judge- but He gave us His word to live by.

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Submitted by Mike King on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 9:16pm.

One of God's greatest gift to mankind is that of a child and mankind has no greater responsibility than the welfare of that gift.
What you and I believe to be His will is within our soul and each of us live with our concience each and every day based upon how we perceive ourselves to be judged. It is not for us to judge.
We are taught to teach His word, not dictate.


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Submitted by yardman5508 on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 9:09pm.

I am against abortion....and I am also pro-choice. I am anti-abortion in that I hope that we might be able to counsel women against making the choice to take a life. If, God forbid, my daughter should ever reach the point where she must contemplate what to do, I hope and pray that my efforts to raise her correctly have paid off. But, I will also support and love her if she decides to take a path other than the one I hope she takes. Ultimately, it is not up to me, and CERTAINLY not up to the government to make that decision for her. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.


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