. . . to defend truth, justice, and the rights of sex offenders everywhere!
And since the GA Supreme Court previously ruled similar verbiage unconstitutional, that means nine Republicans are ignorant? And you base this on what - - the infallibility of the GA Supreme Court? Sorry, but your logic just doesn’t pan out. The only thing that pans out here is your bleedin’ heart.
It is logic like yours that keeps our court system so busy. Just like prisoners filing frivolous lawsuits.

When it is all said and done, victims’ rights should trump criminals’ rights. Your logic turns that notion on its head.
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Well, I knew if I posted in this thread at least one of my two personal trolls would show up....the only question is which one would be first.

Okay, to answer your questions. Are the nine Republicans ignorant? Absolutely! The very definition of futility is to do the exact same thing incorrectly over and over yet expect a different outcome.

Is the Georgia Supreme Court infallible? No, but they have the final say so as to determining what is or is not constitutional. And the Georgia Supreme Court found that the 1000 foot barrier violated the "takings clause" of the United States Constitution, that "quaint" old document that you and your fellow fringe Republican despise so much.

So once again, not only does my logic "pan out", you end up looking like a fool.

This is not a case of "victims rights" vs. "criminal rights". This is a matter of whether or not we continue to respect the United States Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I'm in favor of the Constitution. Feel free to yell and scream and stomp your feet and all the usual antics your side does when confronted with "certain inalienable rights".

Maybe you can give us some insight as to why you hate the Constitution so much.
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Not a "fringe Republican", troll, or hater of the Constitution. I love the Constitution. And the Bill of Rights.

But when you have to choose between upholding the the property rights of a convicted sex offender, vice allowing a LEGITIMATE business to locate itself where it can BEST make a profit, SORRY, but in my book, the convicted sex offender LOSES EVERY TIME. Call it part of their permanent "debt to society". Might even serve as a good deterrent to others in the long run.

By the way, time to change your sheets. You wet the bed again.

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Just pass a law that states anyone convicted as a child molester / sex offender gets life without parole

Takes care of the sex offender needing to move and protects our community.

Trax, you claim to "love the Constitution", yet in your very next paragraph start spouting some patently Un-Constitutional nonsense about a "permanent debt to society".

Hate to break it to ya pal, but there is no such legal concept as "permanent debt to society". It's a concept created out of thin air by you and your fellow fringe Republicans.

A drunk driver can be let out of jail and told he can never drive again...that's the state's perogative, the state licenses its drivers. It cannot tell him he cannot live x amount of feet near a bar or package store.

Same thing with sex offenders. I have no love for sex offenders (your typically nasty fringe Republican claims to the contrary notwithstanding) but it is patently unfair...and more importantly UN-CONSTITUTIONAL to expect an offender who has paid his debt to society to attempt to conform to a nebulous and ever-changing set of rules.

In the Supreme Court decision that overturned this unconstitutional law, the court pointed out public testimony by the Republican author of the law who actually encouraged citizens to create churches near convicted sex offenders for the express purpose of getting them to move. He stated the ultimate aim of the law was to make a sex offender's life so miserable he would move out of state.

Using the law like this as a weapon is contrary to both the United States Constitution and the American way of life. It's simply wrong. And I think deep down you realize that as well...at least I hope you do.

Only the looniest of the lunatic fringe of the Republican party would support a direct challenge to the authority of the United States Constitution.

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Sniffy Bas:
spouting some patently Un-Constitutional nonsense about a "permanent debt to society"

There is no such legal concept as "permanent debt to society". [sic] It's a concept created out of thin air by you and your fellow fringe Republicans.

More importantly UN-CONSTITUTIONAL to expect an offender who has paid his debt to society to attempt to conform to a nebulous and ever-changing set of rules.

Notice that Trax used quotation marks with debt to society, which Trax may have meant to indicate that the words were being used "ironically or with some reservation."

Of course, you use the very same words yourself (without quotation marks). Were you "spouting some patently Un-Constitutional nonsense," or did you inadvertently show your hypocrisy? Does this qualify you as "the looniest of the lunatic fringe"?

Conner, don't confuse the issue.

Either someone has a debt to society (remedied by prison, parole, fine, execution, etc) or they do not.

There is no legal or Constitutional basis for Trax's "permanent 'debt to society'", which I pointed out. Rather than argue or concede the point, Trax chose to make a personal attack on me, which is consistent with the fringe mindset.

I stand by my characterization.
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You contend that, “Only the looniest of the lunatic fringe of the Republican party would support a direct challenge to the authority of the United States Constitution.”

Oh yeah? Well how about when Rumsfeld went up against the Supreme Court in Hamden v Rumsfeld trying to deny the right of Habeus Corpus?

Oh… they lost that one... never mind…

Well how about when after Rumsfeld got creamed by the USSC, the Bush administration got that military tribunal law passed through Congress to set up kangaroo courts with no attorneys for the defendants and allowing secret evidence? What about that one?

OK, OK. So they lost on that one too.

Then how about when the Environmental Protection Agency said that Clean Air did not give the EPA the authority to regulate the emissions of greenhouse gases. How about that one? Remember it? Massachusetts v. EPA? Are you calling them loons and fringers? Yeah, go back and read it, right where it said… well darn. Massachusetts won that one.

OK, OK. Go back and look at when President Bush and Attorney General Ashcroft asserted that their actions in the war on terror were lawful and within the scope of the Constitution because the administration’s actions in the war on terrorism were beyond the rule of law and not subject to review. Not just one Supreme Court case but in two! Specifically Rasul v. Bush and Al Odah v. United States.

Gotcha now! Give me a second to look up the specifics here… Arrrrggg lost them both! I thought I had you that time.

How about when in his signing statement issued with the passage of the “Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act” in December 2006, President Bush claimed authority to open sealed U.S. mail without a warrant even though the act itself specifically allowed for mail to be searched only if a warrant was obtained first? Think that was loony? Think that was fringe? Well look it up pal. Right there in the decision in the United States v. Van Leeuwen where the Supreme Court ruled, “It has long been held that first-class mail such as letters and sealed packages subject to letter postage is free from inspection by postal authorities, except in the manner provided by the Fourth Amendment.”

Ouch!

Ok, how about when Bush claimed he had the legal power to authorize warrantless NSA surveillance that went to the Court in what is often called the Keith case? The Supreme Court declared in that case, legally entitled the United States v. United States District Court, that the Fourth Amendment required a warrant for the government to engage in electronic surveillance for domestic criminal investigations. Ok. Maybe that is not the best example.

OK! I’ve got it! Just happened yesterday. Here it is:

In Stoneridge Investment Partners, LLC v. Scientific-Atlanta, Inc. the US Supreme Court, in a case presented for the Bush administration by Solicitor General Paul Clement, ruled to limit the ability of investors in recovering monetary damages in securities fraud cases and rejected the notion of “scheme liability.”

The court's acceptance of scheme liability would mean third parties that knowingly participate in or support illegal securities activities could be sued for monetary damages, even if they never make fraudulent statements.

Well, there you are!

Because of the Bush administration and the U. S. Department of Justice’s successful arguments, you cannot sue third parties who collude with others to cheat you by engaging in illegal securities activities.

HA! So there!

So, who’s on the lunatic fringe now?

And your poor little heart bleeds, doesn't it??? Too bad. The recidivism rate among sex offenders is astronomically high.

The lives of convicted sex offenders should be miserable. And I don't lose any sleep at night worrying about them. Appears you do. Got your panties all tied up in a knot. Who's the real miserable one here? Methinks ye doth protest too much.

(And go ahead, name call all you want - it doesn't add anything to your argument)
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I notice you failed to address any of the points I made above.

You want convicted sex offenders' lives to be miserable. I suspect a great many people like you feel the same way. I'm not saying that is wrong, in and of itself.

I vehemently object to you and your fellow lunatic fringe Republicans abusing the Constitution to acheive your goals. You've shown us once again your true disdain for the Constitution of the United States.

There is a right way and a wrong way to achieve goals. Trampling the Constitution is the wrong way.
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Only the looniest of the lunatic fringe of the Republican party......

You've shown us once again your true disdain for the Constitution of the United States.

Your venomous blathering renders your arguements about as effective as a fart. All air and no substance. Perhaps it's time for you to lie down on Dr. Denise's couch for some anger management. Why do I get the feeling that you're a big fan of the Uni-bomber and the Earth First crowd. Next thing you know we'll find ole Sniffles burning automobile dealerships and blowing up businesses.

Listen to yourself and then ask yourself who the 'fringe' is.

Boy.... If there was ever someone who needed to hit on a dooby to chill, here is a perfect candidate. Thank God this guy is not in control.

Chill dude! You scare the hell out of people rather than win folks over. In fact you act and sound just like Trax, Birdbrain, Robert Morgan & McDonough Doggy frothing at the mouth while barking at Steve Brown.

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Apologies for the delay in getting back to you, one of your fringe conservative buddies has been monkeying around with my password again.

Now, to your comments at hand...I urge you to re-read this entire thread from top to bottom, but first take off your Republican blinders.

You'll see that I simply pointed out the absolute futility of doing something unconstitutional that people KNEW was unconstitutional. And I pointed out that it was nine ignorant Republicans who were doing this.

Rather than create an argument based on the facts at hand, Other Side Trax chose to attack me personally, as many fringe Republican members of this site often do. I disagree with him, said Trax, therefore I must be a child-molester supporter. Shades of 2004 and "If yer not supporting Bush, yer supporting terra-ists!"

Tell me, wise one, what should I have done? Stood there and took it? Turned the other cheek? That's not how I roll, homie. You should know that.

I've noticed quite a change in this blog of late, a positive change if you ask me.

The day is almost gone when the fringe Republicans ran roughshod over people's opinions here.

We've gotten quite a healthy infusion of people here of late who can and do argue their positions quite eloquently: yardman, main stream, LordByron come immediately to mind, and I'm sure I've left a few out.

They've raised the level of discourse around here...and that's a good thing. I'm seeing less and less of the patented kneejerk "blame Clinton" and "blame Carter" from your side of the aisle as well...and that's a change for the better. Heck, I can't even remember the last time one of your guys went after Jeff Carter!

So where does that leave old warhorses like us, Git?

You're not going to change your style, nor am I.

I'm aware that every time I post here, I'm likely to attract one or two trolls who simply resent the fact that I am here...I can live with that. It's a cost of doing business.

Have a pleasant day, and I look forward to locking horns again with you soon.
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Apologies for the delay in getting back to you, one of your fringe conservative buddies has been monkeying around with my password again.

Stop whining. We're all getting zapped.

but first take off your Republican blinders

You insinuating that I am a Republican is laughable. Just know that I've been called worse by better. Unlike you, I have an unbiased ability to 'go after the throats' of the bad guys that more closely resemble my views. Another laughable point is that I'm the one with the blinders. The one thing I respect and admire about Jeff C is ability to occasionally admit that many of the ideas, tactics and behavior of the Democrats are often unacceptable and unethical. That is where I take issue with you. I ask again.... between you and I, who is the one walking 'lock step' with blinders on?

You'll see that I simply pointed out the absolute futility of doing something unconstitutional that people KNEW was unconstitutional.

If you would care to read my post again, it had nothing to do with challenging your argument. I was merely pointing out your nasty and vindictive manners and clichés that constantly spew forth and the inconsistency of your inability to hold your side to the same accountability standards to which you do the Republicans. My point was that they detract from your argument thus nullifying any possible validities that you may be attempting to espouse.

Rather than create an argument based on the facts at hand, Other Side Trax chose to attack me personally, as many fringe Republican members of this site often do.

Gee, that's the frog calling the lizard green.... And you've never initiated any of this? Wake up brother...

They've raised the level of discourse around here

And you haven't? Let's take a look at the post I'm responding to:

your fringe conservative buddies

attract one or two trolls

We can certainly see how you contribute in 'lowering the level of discourse' around here.

The day is almost gone when the fringe Republicans ran roughshod over people's opinions here.

You mean... debate their opinions?

So where does that leave old warhorses like us, Git?

I'll take that as a compliment and a sign of respect. I may severely take issue with you Bas, but understand for what it's worth, I respect you and often find validity in some of your points. Plus, every now and then you bring me to my knees laughing. Even if I'm occasionally in you cross hairs.

I suppose one thing can be said about Sniffle & Git is that we both love to play in the mud and wrestle. It's just that it seems that your just constantly nasty and bitter because you occasionally get a little mud in your mouth or eyes. Chill dude. You never say anything complimentary about an opponent. Hell... now wonder no one likes you.... except me and a couple of your friends from the left.

You're not going to change your style, nor am I.

You're right. Wouldn't expect too. It's what makes the board so exciting. The one thing we all need to work on, however, is our viciousness from time to time. Present company included.

Heck, even Main Stream set 'it' aside yesterday and chit chatted a bit.

I'm aware that every time I post here, I'm likely to attract one or two trolls who simply resent the fact that I am here...I can live with that. It's a cost of doing business.

I'll go look up trolls. I'm assuming before hand it means blogger, poster, contributer or something like that. If that's the case, then believe me, I understand having fellow trolls at your throat.

In the end... we love it and we know it... Let's work on leaving the knives out of our bar room brawls.

Pardon the lack of editing and spelling. Had to hurrie.

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Aren't "ignorant," "fringe," and "trolls" personal attacks?

How does your usage of such language "raise the level of discourse"?

Please show me where I used "ignorant" to describe a poster in this thread. If you can't, I would ask that you to apologize for your mischaracterization of me.

I regard people who attack the Constitution of the United States as a very small, very vocal, lunatic fringe. Other Side Trax has shown me by his posts in this thread that he either has no clue as to what the Constitution actually stands for, or he actively despises the document. I stand by my "fringe" characterization of him.

As far as "trolls" go, I stand by that characterization as well. There are certain posters on this site that take great delight in making personal attacks on posters who do not share their views. Hutch866 is in my mind the worst offender...take a look at his posting history, he continually attacks people like nitpicker, dsmith and myself.

Hutch attacks me because I had the audacity to point out that Fayette County High School is not as good a school as McIntosh or Starrs Mill, and presented data to back up my claim. He carries a grudge *shrug* what can you do.

You, Denise, you should know me well enough by now to realize that if someone infers that I am somehow supportive of child molesters because I happen to disagree with a certain poster's political philosophy, I am not going to stand idly by.

I'm more than happy to exchange viewpoints with someone, but I'm serving notice that any lunatic fringe member who comes after me personally will not have an easy time of it.

Thanks for the opportunity to clear the air, and I look forward to your inevitable reply!

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I find it funny that when you disagree it's just discussion, when I disagree it's an attack. I asked you once before what your kid at McIntosh got there that kid at FC doesn't get, and all you could say was you didn't understand what I meant, I asked you what classes your kid could take there that my kid couldn't get here, you couldn't see the relevance. You're just sore that I pointed out that you're basmati, by the way if you're not the bas, how did we question your patriotism a couple of years ago when at the time you'd only been registered 5 or 6 weeks? I'm glad to see you group yourself with $mithpicker$gonebonkers ,Ya'll both share multiple personalities and I can't say much for any of them. Sorry if I disparaged your post again, earlier I was content to ignore you, but to quote what you said to Tug before you were banned, if you say things to me and about me you have to expect it back.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

"And I pointed out that it was nine ignorant Republicans who were doing this."

It just oozes out of you!

But you do perceive (ummm, deceive ) yourself to be above the slime.

Hope this "raises the level of discourse"!

Gotta go for some coffee now!

Conner, once again, that was NOT a "personal attack" on anyone here, unless you are trying to say that an attack on any Republican is somehow a "personal attack" on you.

So which is it?

I continue to regard the actions of those legislators as ignorant. That is my personal opinion. Are you saying that people should not voice their personal opinions here? Or are you of the opinion that only opinions that support the Republican platform should be heard?
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Careful Git according to sniffy, you're not allowed to disparage his posts, or he will post obvious lies about you then cry when you answer.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

"Hutch866 is in my mind the worst offender" (with personal attacks).

I'm sure you're glad that you've earned that distinction! Is that why you were banned???

Watch out, Tug!!!!

Stirring things up as usual, Conner? "let's you and he fight"?

Hutch knows that I don't care for him, and I'm sure the feeling is quite mutual. We both tend to ignore each other as much as possible.

The fact that you felt compelled to stir things up makes you look, in my opinion, quite childish, Conner.
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Your "Hitler complex" is hilarious: always telling me (and others) what to do and how to do it!

There's very little "passive" about me, and I'll take the "aggressive" part (as in, assertive, bold, and energetic rather than hostile) as a compliment.

I just wanted to make sure that Hutch didn't miss your KIND words about him. So, if you want to call that "stirring things up," go ahead. At least I keep things interesting here!

Just how does injecting into a post to me your vindictive "opinion" that Hutch is "the worst offender on here for personal attacks" (laughing until I'm crying ) qualify as "ignoring" him?

"Childish" and "passive aggressive"? I guess in your warped mind that's in the same category as "ignorant" and “troll” -- neutral words that don't qualify as name-calling when YOU do it to "raise the level of discourse."

BTW, passive-aggressiveness is characterized by unassertiveness and is a defensive posture, i.e., "dodging unpleasant chores while avoiding confrontation." Passive communicators allow aggressive people to harm or otherwise unduly influence them and are not likely to risk trying to influence anyone else (too afraid of conflict). They give in to the demands of others to stave off disagreements or confrontation and want to be liked by everyone. (Definitely not me! )

Aggressive communicators resort to accusing, threatening, name-calling, and lashing out because they MUST dominate others, i.e., impose their will onto others and try to force them to submit. These hostile people are very good at intimidating others (bullying) to get their way and will attempt to “get even” with those who don’t willing kowtow. (Your avatar does fit your communication style! )

Assertive communicators are not afraid to speak their mind or to try to influence others, but they do so without violating the rights of others (being considerate of others' feelings). They are also willing to defend themselves against aggressive incursions while having control over their anger and are able to discuss controversial topics in a logical way. “Assertive individuals tend to experience more life satisfaction, as they are better able to make decisions and take actions in line with their ultimate life goals.”

I'd say that I like going on the offense and can be quite assertive [vigorously self-assured ]. It is an "unpleasant chore" cleaning up after you, but I'll take the job! I don't avoid confrontation; I welcome it!

Also, I never suggested that you fight with Hutch. You'd likely lose to the sailor; Brutus (Bluto) always does!

Thank you and you are good! How do you do it?

I always love to read your posts- girl you are excellent- they can't get to you.

Keep going!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Another day, another passive aggresive post from Conner.

Childish.
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Re-read my post to improve your comprehension!

"The basic difference between being assertive and being aggressive is how our words and behavior affect the rights and well being of others." - Sharon Anthony Bower

Enjoy the "snow" and some hot chocolate!

Remember when that clown David Duke ran as a Repbulican for Senate or Congress in Louisiana way back when? Sniffle is to the Democrat party as was the human debris Duke was to the Republican party. And he has the nerve to use the term fringe?

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Keep it up sniffles.

I can name a half a dozen of you that would. Wouldn't expect anything less from you. What else would you expect from someone that trashes the Republicans for being hypocritical yet refuses to hold their own to the same standards.

Here's some more verses from the Bible that seems to be applicable to you Democrats..... Matthew 7:5 & Luke 6:42.

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I'll look up those nifty bible verses on that handy-dandy link you provided.

Yup, there's AT LEAST a half dozen of us Dem's on here chatting at you, and the number seems to be growing, since all the Repub's can provide for prez candidates are:

a preacher, a Mormon, a grumpy veteran, a washed-up actor, a slick New Yorker....

And viewed the two clowns you guys propped up. In regards to your description of the Republicans I have to agree. If I were a Republican I'd really be embarrassed as to those choices.

But gee Main Stream. Taking a shot at Romney for being a Mormon? I'm shocked at you. Especially from someone who believes in all kinds of gods. I guess you like withcraft, Christianity, Islam and others.... but you discriminate against Mormons???

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....this is just how the media has defined him, and sadly so, because that's all most people think about when they see him now.

Is this a better description:

hunky white man that can't dance with first name meaning baseball glove

One thing he has going for him... Mitt sure looks presidential.

Although, like the Dem's and the other Rep's, he appears to have no plan of action or experience. I suppose our presidency is now modeled after many other 'On The Job Training' programs that exist these days.

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is handsome, so maybe bpr would vote for him - I wouldn't.

As you imply, I think he is an 'empty suit', not much substance, but good eye-candy for the girls, I guess.

I suppose we'll have to wait and see who/what floats to the top, as a matter of speaking.

Gosh, too much talk about sewer treatment and candidates - but they do go hand in hand.

You must be thinking of Obama Girl and the YouTube video "I Got A Crush On Obama."

She does like his DANCING. If only he played the sax . . . .

"Civil rights icon Andrew Young": "Bill [Clinton] is every bit as black as Barack. He's probably gone with more black women than Barack."

B. Hussein does call for CHANGE.

Now, who's the "Empty Suit"?

ran as a Republican because the Democratic Party wouldn't have him...what does THAT say?

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Duke and his Klan evolved from the Democrat Party. So did Robert Byrd.... and he's still with you....what does THAT say?

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the convicted sex offender did his research before hand, found out where he could live and work that fell under the stated guidelines, bought a house (I think), got a job, and went about living his life. Then a day care center located near where he worked and a church located near where he lived and then he was out of work and out of luck concerning his property. Again, does the "legitimate business" have NO responsibility in locating itself away from convicted sex offenders? Business can do what it wants without concern for individual rights? Better check that Bill of Rights you so dearly love.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

“Again, does the "legitimate business" have NO responsibility in locating itself away from convicted sex offenders?”

What kind of responsibility do you believe the legitimate business should have in this case? Should the new business be required to screen all residents within 1000 feet of every potential location??? You’ve got to be joking. Reminds me of the environmental impact study they are doing on the golf cart bridge adjacent to Best Buy.
Bottom line is the rights of a legitimate business should trump those of a convicted sex offender. Part of the sex offender’s PERMANENT DEBT to society. The sex offender should have thought about the long term consequences. If you commit a crime, suffer the consequences. Why should a legitimate business be unfairly penalized for the crimes of a sex offender? Or anyone else who decides to commit a crime, for that matter?
Felons lose their right to vote. Seems fair enough. Should sex offenders lose their right to own real estate within 1000 feet of schools, day car centers, etc? Sounds reasonable to me. Unless you disagree with making the punishment fit the crime . . .
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trax, my friend. No one disputes that we should do all we can to keep convicted sex offenders from areas where children are present. Should they be allow them to purchase property close to existing children centers? absolutely not. But we are talking about people who have "repaid their debt to society" trying to establish some sort of self-sufficient life. And besides, how much of an imposition can it be for a business to check the registry (all sex offenders are required to register, btw...and that info is available to anyone online...and THAT is another discussion all together) to see if there are any known offenders within the perimeter mentioned? Seems to me that this sort of responsibility should go both ways. You don't want sex offenders to live near schools? fine. Do you want to locate your business near a sex offender? Well, that is something only you can answer. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

That's exactly my point. There should be NO imposition on a legitimate business based on the past crimes of a sex offender. As a law abiding citizen, I should be able to locate my child care center WHEREVER I think best.

To a certain extent, I agree with wulfman. But Life without Parole would be too easy, and too costly. My methods would be much harsher and cheaper - especially for the child molesters.

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trax, my friend...Matthew 6:14,15. Keep the faith

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

. . . because it is just a diversion from the real issue and cheap way to try and win the argument. You want to make me out as the "bad guy"? Nice try. But it won't work. Because I believe in God and I believe in forgiveness.

What I don't believe in is our ability to rehabilitate most sex offenders. I believe that a law abiding citizen should NOT be inconvenienced in ANY WAY by the "rights" of a convicted sex offender.

Has nothing to do with "forgiveness". If the "victim" has forgiven the sex offender, fine. I choose to NOT BE INCONVENIENCED by the past illegal acts of a convicted sex offender. Forgiveness has nothing to do with it. You claim they've "paid their debt to society". So they completed their prison term. So what. Breaking the law has consequences. And since the recidivism rate for sex offenders is SO ASTRONOMICALLY HIGH, I believe there should be ENDURING, PERMANENT consequences, even AFTER they have done their jail time. It should be against the law for a convicted child molester to own property withing 1000 ft of a school or day care center, REGARDLESS of WHO WAS THERE FIRST. Child molesters should lose their property rights "DIBBS" permanently after they've been convicted. I make no apology for this stance. And it has nothing to do with forgiveness. It has everything to do with fairness and consequences.

Trying to make me look like like a monster incapable of forgiveness was a cheap shot. But I've learned to expect tactics like that from bleedin' hearts . . .

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I think you are simply trying to cover up the fact that you do not forgive those you don't want to forgive!

It's simple. There is no need to forgive someone who has not transgressed against me. And it is not my job to forgive them on behalf of some other victim. Forgiveness does not even come into play.

The bottom line is simple. They commited the crime. Their actions caused the problem. Why should law abiding citizens have to tiptoe around their criminal acts? It is ludicrous. Has nothing to do with forgiveness. It has everything to do with REFUSING to be inconvenienced by the criminal acts of another. They commited the act. The responsibility for the remedy lies DIRECTLY on their HEAD, not mine. In PERPETUITY! THAT is FAIR.

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Then if the Christian transgresee forgives them, why do you continue to criticize them? Makes no sense. You want vengeance.

As a Deist, I don't have a bible close by. What does the verse say? Just curious....

You told me you are Wicca - and they don't believe in God?

How could you like that scripture?

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I have never said that I am a follower of Wicca, however, I have written about some of the Wiccan beliefs in my posts. I find it fascinating to learn about the many religions that are practiced throughout the world – I wish you felt the same. I’m currently reading a book about Hinduism – you do read books other than the bible, don’t you?

I found a website the other day, that closely defines my personal spiritual/religious belief system, and I hesitate to share it with you, as I’m sure it will be ridiculed by folks on here. Doesn’t bother me though, so go ahead and have a laugh if you like.

I hope you read all 9 of the definitions of Deism – it’s possible that we may have some common beliefs.

MODERN DEISM

No worries, I am sure that I will be speaking to you, how many names do you have on here???????????

btw- you can't stop my posts- you say you won't read them- you will- you will still listen to my music and read my posts.

Hey and my friend Denise believes like me, what on earth are you going to do?

Sorry, I don't have any demon music- not allowed in my house.

I'm still praying because "Hope Changes Everything"
Which means I don't hate you either.
Listen again to the songs and this time try and get it.

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this has been a wonderfully informative week for me here on line, bpr. Someone accused me of being a mean person for stating the "sanctity of life issues" include capital punishment, Iraq war, and Katrina response. Then I discovered that you, with whom I have exchanged civil conversation both online and at Starbucks over coffee, are operating under the mistaken illusion that Main Stream and I are one in the same person.

BPR, I am indeed a different person than MainStream, though we do share some of the same values...note that I said SOME of the same values. When I wrote the initial post in this blog, I was merely stating the proposition that property rights (individual rights as posited in the Consititution)should hold some sway, even for those convicted of certain offenses. Since then, all you have to do is read the string of posts accusing me of being somehow less than Christian because I believe that everyone, EVERYONE should be forgiven of sin and deserves my compassion. And now you, accuse me of only using Christianity when it is convenient for me to do so.

I will happily discuss my theological roots with you, bpr, because it is my duty as a Christian to spread the word wherever and whenever I can. I will not, however, ever again attempt to show my religious beliefs in this forum. Should you wish to continue this sort of discussion I will gladly supply you with a secure email address so that we may do so. Beyond that, think what you will, for I will ultimately be judged by one more omnipotent than anyone on here. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Yardman- eveytime that I was on here and yourself and Main- Main would take a slap at me and then you would go along with that.
Then you laughed and said I still like you even if you are mean to bpr.

Was that necessary? I don't do that to you laugh and make fun of you- You agree with him all the time- Only God(Jesus) knows if you are a Christian, I never said that you were not. But, you did take offense to my moto- "Hope Changes Everything"- btw that will not change.

Spread the word of God, are you kidding- people on here will tear you apart- have you tried it? I can't save them, only God can- I only state my beliefs just as Main and many others.

When I state my beliefs, wow does everyone who hates Jesus or Christians jump on down my throat. Go ahead I want to see you try it- but I do remember Main and the rest like you- they believe in believe in any God- Sorry there is just ONE GOD! They all don't combine together to make this ONE GOD also.

What hurt the most is I like you, I even like Main- I feel for that person, you have to admit he is harsh with me and others.

I guess I thought you were different, but this making fun and poking fun of me- a girl has to stand up for herself and her beliefs.

Please supply me with a secure email.

Yep, thin skin- some would call this caring for people- btw I don't knock you down and smile to your face. Even my husband could not believe you would do this to me after meeting you- we think the best of you.

One question- why? Why did you do all thoses things to me and have a good laugh with Main about me? I really don't think you care for me.

I will be looking for that secure email. Simply when I say I like you, I mean it.

What was I suppose to do- laugh with you- it was not funny and certainly not Christ like- from what I gather about your belief from your post. I never made fun and laughed at you.

Stood up for myself and belief- yeah and I won't stop. I do it for the cause of Christ- I don't do name calling- please I work with 4 year olds, I deal with this daily.

Again, sorry for the offense- God knows I am.- Honestly- I am going to say this and expect alot of maybe your friends.- Yardman it hurt when you did thoses things especially after meeting you.

Even if you don't like the music- listen to the lyrics of what I sent Main- The first one still brings me to tears- this is who I am- not some phony on the internet.

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I have opened up the contact part of my profile. You can email me there. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Do we keep late hours or what? Are you usually up this hour.

Not me, my son went to spend the night at a friends house- even though he's 15 I still miss him.

How are you doing? If they ever have another coffee meeting would love to meet you.

I took my husband last time, he has the day off around Christmas where he works they close early at GBC and then go back the first of the year.

You know I am thankful for you- I know God put someone bold enough in her beliefs to stand up for Him on here.

Why can't we do this- others talk about their belief.

Thank you- you put alot of time and effort into it.

I think we could be friends, God know I need one- I am torn to pieces all the time for my faith.

About the coffee meeting- it will be okay- I would feel comfortable the next time- it's always the first.

I did meet alot of great people Yardman, Mike King, Penguin, Hutch.

I must say meeting Hutch- let's says he is so funny- gentleman- Penguin a gentle soul- Yardman and Mike King I did not see long they left early but I have to say they were very nice to me.

Next time maybe. Hope so.

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Thanks for the kind words. I'd like to meet you sometime but probably not at a bloggers' get-together. (See my latest response to Sniffles, & you'll understand why.)

We have a new gray kitty that had been abandoned and was eating out of dumpsters. She was so skittish at first that she hid for almost 24 hours. You'd find hard to believe that we couldn't find her, but she's small and able to get into the tightest places. She wouldn't come out for food either. But she's doing a lot better now (after being held almost 48 hours straight) and LOVES to be petted. I think that she's making up for all of the attention she hasn't gotten over the last few months. She's very small for her age but our other cats (they adopt us -- can't ignore their hungry cries and sad faces) don't intimidate her now that she feels more secure.

I'm sorry Yardman hurt your feelings. M Stream and Sniffles can be cutting, to say the least.

Enjoy the day. Wonder if it's snowing? Haven't looked out lately. Some hot chocolate would hit the spot right now.

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I don't think Sniffles comes. He wasn't at the one I was at. I asked if he ever had came and they said no.

If not there- maybe just you and me? That would be nice.

Kitties- hey what would you know- I love animals- I have 4 cats- love dogs- my husband seems to think we have enough fur in our house. So, I don't have dogs at the moment.

I did adopt a kitty from a rescue group- the lady had a disease that she was not going to get any better.

Honestly, this tiny (can you believe this a Ragdoll) I don't think had ever been handled. I cuddled that kitten for 2 weeks sleeping at night in my bed.

Now, he's almost 2 weighs 17 lbs. and is the sweetest thing on this earth- sometimes he gets spooked by certain things- I think from the past life- he was probably between 5-6 weeks old.

My other kitties are adorable- I love Maine Coon Cats- I adopted two- one is a Siamese mix- they are two that are 12 and one 11- I don't allow myself to go there, you know time wise- they are my little friends.

It says alot about you to rescue that kitty- I know you will give it lots of love.

Thanks for your encouraging words.

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Isn't that what trolls do? Sorry.

BTW I don't do name calling so what do you call yourself?

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No worries, I am sure that I will be speaking to you, how many names do you have on here???????????

btw- you can't stop my posts- you say you won't read them- you will- you will still listen to my music.

Sorry, I don't have any demon music- not allowed in my house.

I'm still praying because "Hope Changes Everything"
Which means I don't hate you either.
Listen again to the songs and this time try and get it.

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No worries, I am sure that I will be speaking to you, how many names do you have on here???????????

btw- you can't stop my posts- you say you won't read them- you will- you will still listen to my music.

Sorry, I don't have any demon music- not allowed in my house.

I'm still praying because "Hope Changes Everything"
Which means I don't hate you either.
Listen again to the songs and this time try and get it.

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No worries, I am sure that I will be speaking to you, how many names do you have on here???????????

btw- you can't stop my posts- you say you won't read them- you will- you will still listen to my music.

Sorry, I don't have any demon music- not allowed in my house.

I'm still praying because "Hope Changes Everything"
Which means I don't hate you either.
Listen again to the songs and this time try and get it.

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No worries, I am sure that I will be speaking to you, how many names do you have on here???????????

btw- you can't stop my posts- you say you won't read them- you will- you will still listen to my music.

Sorry, I don't have any demon music- not allowed in my house.

I'm still praying because "Hope Changes Everything"
Which means I don't hate you either.
Listen again to the songs and this time try and get it.

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Where have you been, been missing you- please reply.

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You will enjoy my music I sent them. Do you think they danced like David danced in the bible? Or do you know about that?

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Didn't David have hundreds of wives and thousands of concubines?
Have you forgiven him?

When you answer my last question about- I know you remember-

bpr- have you been hacked? Now, we know all the names that were hacking people.

btw - I didn't get hacked. So, why did you ask if you were not doing it?

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Are you afraid to answer- you might get banned if you admit it?

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Are you still here?

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Honestly, Nick and his friends with all the names- they don't have a lick of sense.

Strange only people they dislike got password problems- I didn't- I am surprised? Go figure.

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Here Main Stream... Look it up yourself.

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In regards to Democrats, Republicans, gangs, and other scads of coterie Kool-Aide drinkers; Remember this..... Eagles Don't Flock

when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, then your Father will not forgive your sins." I have a basic aversion at using such quotations in this forum, but I came across this one tonight and thought it very apropos to this particular discussion, given the turn it has taken. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

I am not a fan of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

But the way I see it, the only sin we as a nation would need to forgive Bill for, would be lying about the affair.

The affair was a sin against his wife and child and since the family is still together I assume they have forgiven him.

I assume he has asked God for forgiveness and that’s between him and God.

"But the way I see it, the only sin we as a nation would need to forgive Bill for, would be lying about the affair."

No, Billy-boy was IMPEACHED for obstruction of justice and lying under oath. Those were not only sins, they were outright crimes.

Liberals want you to believe it was all about nothing but sex, but it was much more than that. He attempted to prevent somebody their due process under the law.

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“...the term “democrat” originated as an epithet and referred to ‘one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses.’”

No, Billy-boy was IMPEACHED for obstruction of justice and lying under oath. Those were not only sins, they were outright crimes.

I stand corrected you are right he was impeached by the House, but you failed to state that he was acquitted by the Senate. Means he was not convicted of the crimes.

I don't have a dog in that fight I didn't vote for Clinton.

Now as far as me being a liberal, The last democrat that I voted for was Jimmy Carter and by the way when he ran for his second term I helped vote him out.

I don't agree with a lot of Mr. Carters comments and the content of his books.

But I do respect his service to our country in the military and as President.

And I will not lower myself to calling him names just to try and make his son angry

I have to forgive Bill Clinton daily through out the day, it makes me so exhausted by the end of the day.

Don't we serve a gracious God?

So, is this Bill Clinton's ticket to do this all the time?

How can he be sorry if he does it all the time?

Hillary is a idiot - wait she is- she does not care who or what he does it with.

btw what God do you believe in since you care to use that scripture?

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Right?

you're a peach

I like that verse.

You don't know a thing about me- this is the way I live my life daily-

I don't expect any compliments just insults from you both. You personally don't care for me - but this is how much I care for you and the world- I have to say at the moment top 5 best songs EVER!

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Occasionally, I take the time to answer the posts you address to me, with the hope that we may be able to converse intelligently. Did you even read the post I directed to you entitled “bpr and Wicca” ?

I have come to the conclusion that we will never be able to have a meaningful or enlightening conversation, whether it is on this blog or in person. I don’t hate you, none of us do for that matter, however, I’m finding that I have absolutely nothing in common with you, nor do we have any common ground, on anything, whether it is music, beliefs, politics, religion, raising children – the list could go on.

I really need to excuse myself from this and won’t be replying to you any longer, so please stop addressing posts to me – your posts have become totally ridiculous and do not contribute at all to the conversation at hand. At this point, you have become nothing but a troll – please look up troll so you understand what I am referring to.

Peace

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UMMMMMMMMMMMMMM- Got to you didn't it? I will pray for you since you won't talk to me, I have no problem talking to you. I find you a sad human being that needs some friends besides the ones you create online with different names.

You have been the one attacking me, I just tell you my beliefs, you state everywhere your beliefs- want me to show you?

Read the bottom of the page- I feel sorry for you- you just all over people and have had it out for me since day one. I really don't care what you think of me, just a little music to show I care and you respond like this.

Wow, you need help.

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