Does Fayette have a gang problem?

Tue, 01/08/2008 - 5:11pm
By: John Munford

Candidate for sheriff and former top Detroit cop says we do, but there’s still time to halt its growth

Fayette sheriff candidate Dave Simmons knows his gangs, having spent 10 years with the gang squad in the city of Detroit.

Monday he said Fayette has a “gang problem,” which he thinks local leaders need to own up to.

Simmons said he has been told there are gangs present at all five of Fayette County’s high schools. He was spurred to action, in part, due to last week’s announced arrest of a Fayette County High School student on several felony gang charges relating to a “beat-down” initiation that took place in a campus restroom.

“There are unique ways you can break down gangs and eradicate them,” Simmons said.

He is suggesting the first step be a community town hall meeting with Fayette movers-and-shakers and “admitting there’s a problem.” Such a meeting should include senior citizens, business leaders, school officials, government leaders, law enforcement officials and also church pastors, Simmons said.

“We all have to be on the same page,” Simmons said.

Although there is gang activity in Fayette, it’s not too late to reverse the trend, Simmons said.

“We haven’t gotten as bad as Riverdale, we haven’t gotten to that point,” Simmons said. “... Responding to it is the issue.”

Fayetteville Police Chief Steve Heaton said last week that although there have been signs of graffiti “tagging” in the community, there have been no incidents of gang-related violence except for the FCHS arrest made last week.

One way to combat gang activity is to improve the perception of police visibility, Simmons said.

“Parents need to talk to their children,” Simmons added.

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Submitted by RuKiddin on Sat, 01/12/2008 - 1:36pm.

Its amazing that the Citizen newspaper is starting to regularly print Mr. Simmon's ideas and point of view. I thought that a newspaper was supposed to have a neutral perspective. If that were true, wouldn't they have asked and talked to EVERY candidate for sheriff on subjects like Gang problems in Fayette? Guess thats not gonna happen.

Another intersting thing about Dave Simmons. Did you know that his wife works in the Fayette County Elections office? Sounds a little bit like a conflict of interst. Anytime a candidate requests information for the upcoming election or wants to turn in required paperwork, she is there to notify her husband and keep him up to date. I feel that because of his intentions to run for office, she should be temporarily moved to a different area. Even the appearence of impropiety should be avoided. IF, we are being fair.

This is not mudslinging, this is simply pointing out what is going on. If you go to Mr. Simmon's website, you will also notice that he states, "The next sheriff will not have time for ON THE JOB TRAINING". What exactly does that mean? Has he been a Sheriff before? Has he been a Georgia deputy or police officer before? Has he been elected the Fayette County Sheriff sometime in the past? He has made this same comment in front of the Republican Party at their monthly breakfast. This statement is basically stating that the other candidates aren't qualified enough to do what Dave Simmons must have done in a previous life.

Just a tip Dave, whomever the next sheriff is, WILL HAVE TO HAVE "on the job training". There is no need to start the attacks on the other candidates this soon. You can wait awhile and begin after the qualifing in April. Save your energy Dave.

There are five possible candidates for sheriff of Fayette County that I know of. Barry Babb, Wayne Hannah, Thomas Mindar, James Beverage and Dave Simmons. Although all five have expressed interest in the position, the real candidates will be announced after qualifing in April of this year. There may be some other candidate that hasn't spoken up yet.

Each candidate brings something different to the table. I think the Citizen should be fair and ask all five candidates their ideas on the subject and let the public decide who should be the next sheriff. Remember Dave, LIFE is ON THE JOB TRAINING.

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 01/12/2008 - 10:27pm.

I'm surprised that this Dave person keeps reminding us that we need a Sheriff that has experience. He has been retired for 12yrs. from a police dept.

We do need a transition that will be seemless. We need someone who will be strong, tough on crime, already certified as a peace officer.

The only 2 people that have strong qualifications are Barry Babb and Wayne Hannah. Lets face it they have both trained under the Sheriff. They are both notoriously tough on crime. The choice is really down to these 2. They are both well respected. We don't need upheaval or change at the S.O. If it works don't fix it. Sheriff Johnson has kept us safe, because of his tough zero tolerance policy towards crime and criminals. Let's make sure we elect someone with his philosophy on crime.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Sat, 01/12/2008 - 2:09pm.

His point of view? I've seen it far less than Steve Brown's columns in the Citizen, or Steve Brown's letters to the Editor, etc. etc. What do you call "regular" anyway?

As far as "equal time," who else has declared themselves as being a candidate? Like you mention, no one is officially candidate yet. So, how can the Citizen be somehow favoring someone or over anyone else who is only potentially a candidate at this point? I think the reason Simmons' thoughts were published is because it's timely, of interest, and The citizen generally prints that kind of material.I'm sure when someone else steps up and announces they are seeking the position The Citizen will print their opinions too.

The fact that someone's spouse works in the election office is totally a non-issue. Wow...he's going to find out information that is a public
record? If you were paying attention instead of just trying to find something to smear Simmons about, you'd notice that the head of the Elections Board has the same last name as the court clerk(an elected position) of Fayette County. Gee....could it be because they are married? You somehow didn't mention that at all so it must mean you could care less.

The election hasn't even started yet and the BS is just as thick as it was when Ben Thomas ran against Randall years back. Wonder what the similarity is? Hmmmm......


Submitted by RuKiddin on Sat, 01/12/2008 - 1:36pm.

Its amazing that the Citizen newspaper is starting to regularly print Mr. Simmon's ideas and point of view. I thought that a newspaper was supposed to have a neutral perspective. If that were true, wouldn't they have asked and talked to EVERY candidate for sheriff on subjects like Gang problems in Fayette? Guess thats not gonna happen.

Another intersting thing about Dave Simmons. Did you know that his wife works in the Fayette County Elections office? Sounds a little bit like a conflict of interst. Anytime a candidate requests information for the upcoming election or wants to turn in required paperwork, she is there to notify her husband and keep him up to date. I feel that because of his intentions to run for office, she should be temporarily moved to a different area. Even the appearence of impropiety should be avoided. IF, we are being fair.

This is not mudslinging, this is simply pointing out what is going on. If you go to Mr. Simmon's website, you will also notice that he states, "The next sheriff will not have time for ON THE JOB TRAINING". What exactly does that mean? Has he been a Sheriff before? Has he been a Georgia deputy or police officer before? Has he been elected the Fayette County Sheriff sometime in the past? He has made this same comment in front of the Republican Party at their monthly breakfast. This statement is basically stating that the other candidates aren't qualified enough to do what Dave Simmons must have done in a previous life.

Just a tip Dave, whomever the next sheriff is, WILL HAVE TO HAVE "on the job training". There is no need to start the attacks on the other candidates this soon. You can wait awhile and begin after the qualifing in April. Save your energy Dave.

There are five possible candidates for sheriff of Fayette County that I know of. Barry Babb, Wayne Hannah, Thomas Mindar, James Beverage and Dave Simmons. Although all five have expressed interest in the position, the real candidates will be announced after qualifing in April of this year. There may be some other candidate that hasn't spoken up yet.

Each candidate brings something different to the table. I think the Citizen should be fair and ask all five candidates their ideas on the subject and let the public decide who should be the next sheriff. Remember Dave, LIFE is ON THE JOB TRAINING.

Submitted by RuKiddin on Sat, 01/12/2008 - 1:36pm.

Its amazing that the Citizen newspaper is starting to regularly print Mr. Simmon's ideas and point of view. I thought that a newspaper was supposed to have a neutral perspective. If that were true, wouldn't they have asked and talked to EVERY candidate for sheriff on subjects like Gang problems in Fayette? Guess thats not gonna happen.

Another intersting thing about Dave Simmons. Did you know that his wife works in the Fayette County Elections office? Sounds a little bit like a conflict of interst. Anytime a candidate requests information for the upcoming election or wants to turn in required paperwork, she is there to notify her husband and keep him up to date. I feel that because of his intentions to run for office, she should be temporarily moved to a different area. Even the appearence of impropiety should be avoided. IF, we are being fair.

This is not mudslinging, this is simply pointing out what is going on. If you go to Mr. Simmon's website, you will also notice that he states, "The next sheriff will not have time for ON THE JOB TRAINING". What exactly does that mean? Has he been a Sheriff before? Has he been a Georgia deputy or police officer before? Has he been elected the Fayette County Sheriff sometime in the past? He has made this same comment in front of the Republican Party at their monthly breakfast. This statement is basically stating that the other candidates aren't qualified enough to do what Dave Simmons must have done in a previous life.

Just a tip Dave, whomever the next sheriff is, WILL HAVE TO HAVE "on the job training". There is no need to start the attacks on the other candidates this soon. You can wait awhile and begin after the qualifing in April. Save your energy Dave.

There are five possible candidates for sheriff of Fayette County that I know of. Barry Babb, Wayne Hannah, Thomas Mindar, James Beverage and Dave Simmons. Although all five have expressed interest in the position, the real candidates will be announced after qualifing in April of this year. There may be some other candidate that hasn't spoken up yet.

Each candidate brings something different to the table. I think the Citizen should be fair and ask all five candidates their ideas on the subject and let the public decide who should be the next sheriff. Remember Dave, LIFE is ON THE JOB TRAINING.

Submitted by William Barrett14 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 9:09pm.

Mr. Simmons’ recent letter and assertion that Fayette has a gang problem deserves attention especially since he asserts he is ideally suited to address the problem as Fayette County’s next Sheriff. His letter in The Citizen Newspaper, and alluded to in John Munford’s article about gang activity, is just the most visible example of how ill prepared he is for this important job.

Mr. Simmons, as well intentioned as he probably is, is incredibly ill informed. He asserts that there is a gang problem that “local leaders” need to own up to because he has been told there is gang activity in all 5 high schools. He’s more ill-informed than he realizes. There is a group of officials that have been meeting for quite some time now that have, as one of its primary concerns, gang activity in our community.

As far as I know there are four known candidates for Sheriff Johnson’s office when he retires at the end of the year. Only one of those candidates is a full-time participant in meetings and initiatives to address and curb gang associated activities. Mr. Simmons’ is not that candidate.

He has essentially admitted that he is not aware of what is being done to address the issue that troubles him. I am certain of one thing; there is not a lot of gang activity in his neighborhood—the gates at Whitewater Creek subdivision pretty much keep it out. As a retiree it’s not surprising he had to be told about the problem or read about it in the newspaper. Three of the known candidates for Sheriff get their knowledge 1st hand and only one of those has been involved in looking for solutions; again, not Mr. Simmons.

Mr. Simmons seems to not be aware that Fayette County law enforcement has long been sensitive to school safety which includes gang activity. For more than 10 years, every Fayette County High School and Middle School has had law enforcement officers serving in them as School Resource Officers; a Fayetteville Police School Resource Officer uncovered the incident at Fayette County High School. Every Fayette County Elementary School has had law enforcement officers presenting the Drug Abuse Resistance Education (D.A.R.E.) program to our youngest children. Mr. Simmons can rest easy; Fayette County law enforcement is doing something about the problem. Their actions are reasonable, prudent, and indicated by the circumstances.

Mr. Simmons’ service in Detroit is worthy of praise and I feel confident that Detroit was well served by him. Mr. Simmons, how can I say this… Detroit is not the same as Fayette County—never was and never will be. From a law enforcement perspective, Fayette County would best be served never having to use what worked in Detroit here. Detroit, the murder capital of the United States as an example for us? Unfathomable....

Time, and the upcoming campaign will demonstrate who needs to be the next Sheriff of Fayette County. I don’t think Mr. Simmons is the one. Fayette County doesn’t need alarmists like Mr. Simmons. It needs well informed, serious minded professionals who know our community, its resources, and its desires. Hopefully Mr. Simmons’ campaign manager, Harold Bost can help him see the light. That’s right, his campaign manager is the former commission chairman, who would not honor his commitments, and cost Fayette County thousands in special elections costs.

Gangs and gang violence are serious issues and deserve the attention of someone who is actively involved in the community. Retired from law enforcement for more than 10 years, Mr. Simmons’ decision to jump on this issue in an effort to ride it to an election victory is transparent. Keep this in mind as the campaign unfolds and he jumps from the problem of the day to the next.

Lastly, despite what Mr. Simmons’ is regularly telling people, I have heard with my own ears who Sheriff Johnson believes is best suited to be the next Sheriff and it is not Dave Simmons. So, in addition to being un-informed, he’s not being truthful with his statements. If you are one of those who have heard him make that claim, I’d urge you to verify it yourself. Then at least you will know 1st hand if you can believe Mr. Simmons or not.

William Barrett
Fayetteville, Georgia

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 01/11/2008 - 12:08am.

Like I said being a cop isn't a hobbie you can just pick up again after 12yrs.

I'm sure he is a very nice person. I do think it is very arrogant to think that after being out of the game for 12yrs you are still on the cutting edge of law enforcement. We need someone who has been actively fighting crime, who will be able to "hit the ground running". I believe a new sheriff has 12 months to qualify or certify as an officer, but we don't have that kind of time. As citizens we need someone who will be up to speed from day one.

I'm sure Sheriff Johnson will endorse someone who will keep the citizens of Fayette County safe for many years to come.

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Submitted by The Crime Dog on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 9:56pm.

Yeah 12 years is a long time to be out of law enforcement.

And you're right Fayette is a heckuva long way from Detroit.

I've met Mr. Simmons and he seems more like a grandfatherly type to me than a sheriff type. If he wants people to vote for him he'd best come up with some specific solutions and not play things close to the vest like he did in his newspaper articles.

I've chatted with the cops and seems Mr. Simmons is the only one surprised about gangs being in the schools. IF the gangs are so bad how come the white flight hasn't happened like in Clayton County?

That said I agree with the police. Felony charges for all gang-bangers or wannabees who even ~look~ at the cops the wrong way.

All the more reason for the schools to have video surveillance in the halls, which if I'm told correctly all high schools have at the very least. Get it on tape and book 'em dano!


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Submitted by NUK_1 on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 9:31pm.

Anyone that doesn't think there is noticeable gang activity in Fayette County needs to get out more, and I'm not talking about hanging out with the inbreds at Melear's.

While the letter above is the usual "negative" bit on a candidate, I find it interesting he points out Bost's involvement in Simmons' campaign and fails to mention what a big booster of Eric Maxwell(a total joke)Randall was.

Saying there is a gang problem in Fayette is not being an "alarmist,"it's being a realist who is paying attention.

I haven't decided on who I'll be voting for in the sheriff's race yet, but the letter-writer above sure didn't sell me on anything at all except how "everything is great here...move along...nothing to see."


Submitted by depdawg on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 9:21am.

Does Fayette have a gang problem? Yes, sure it does and so does the rest of the metro Atlanta area, it just took a little longer for it to get here. The have been well known "gang issues" in the schools for a rather extensive period of time. The reason the "gang problem" is beginning to spiral out of control is because of the constant denial by the local chief law enforcement officers that were in that position a number of years ago. A single person, School Resources Officer, cannot solve the issues in his/her school, it takes a team effort, and last I recall there is no joint gang unit. if all the local agencies could dedicate one officer to form a joint gang task force it would go a long way to slowing down and possibly ceasing some of the gang activities in our schools. But, there is no multi agency cooperation so that will never most likely happen.

A race driven issue? On some levels I agree with that. The Bloods and the Crips are most notably black. MS13, Latin Kings, are normally hispanic or of central american heritage. And lets not forget the card carrying member of the KKK which are normally white. All of those gangs and many more are present in Fayette County, and they are not just up north, or down south. Many of the gangs have moved in from Clayton Co, Gwinnett Co, Fulton Co, once again Metro Atlanta in general. I am done with my rant.

No matter who becomes sheriff, I hope he brings the S.O. out of the 80's and into the future of law enforcement. The citizens deserve it,and so do his employees.

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Submitted by Hi There on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 10:13pm.

Are you kidding me?? Gangs are here in Fayette County!!!! Here are just a few of the gang members names: Izzy(F.N.F.N.), little gotti got tha shottie to you bodie ^6^, $FI$HER BANK, $LiLJ$, Qua, "Ocho Cinco", !!$BigHudson$!!, (NuNu)F.M.C.M., TroopBoyz(NuNu), ;()FMCM(), MurdaMann. Some live in Drama City, Da Swamps, and Wynnmeade. Yes, I gave these names to the police. A lot of these kids go to high schools here in Fayette County!! Some will say, no they are just acting/talking and have pictures depicting gang symbols/colors. A WANNA BE IS GOING TO BE A GONNA BE, it's just a matter of time. Fayetteville has a special officer for the gangs. I think Peachtree City needs to have one too! I think the money spent on this problems here and now would much better serve the residents than trying to find child sex perverts who live somewhere else who are lured to PTC.


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Submitted by bassfishga on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 7:17am.

Good for Dave Simmons for putting local leaders on the spot. For bringing this to to the front and not pushing it under the rug. For suggesting the need to reverse this problem and turning it around. Weather it ends up him making some of the changes down the road or encouraging others to make the change. Leaders and residents can not run from the problem with their tail between their legs, that does not fix anything.


Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 8:41am.

Our police and the Sheriff's Dept. are on top of the situation, that is how this kid got caught to begin with.

The only reason we are not clayton crime county right now is because of our tough Sheriff and his officers.

This dave person has been out of the game for 12 years. There have been lots of advances in lawenforcement in the 12yrs he has been retired. I admire old people who want to stay in touch, and still care about their community. I think it is a little arrogant for someone who has been out of touch with lawenforcement to assume that his experience from 12yrs ago would still be "cutting edge" today.

Just in the last year or 2yrs technology has taken off. You have to stay ahead of the criminals otherwise you will always be behind. Lawenforcement isn't a hobby you can just put down like basket weaving and then come back to 12ys. later and think you can pick up from where you left off. You have to stay on top all of the time or you are lost.

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Submitted by bassfishga on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 8:52am.

Maybe your right and hopefully his statements will help them pull their heads out of the sand.


Submitted by swmbo on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 12:21am.

I wonder if anyone took the opportunity to check the license plates of the parents who came to FCHS about those kids. I'll bet a few were from Clayton and Fulton.

I'll be glad to have law enforcement stay on top of the criminal activity but I also want the schools to enforce the residency requirement just as aggressively. Don't be afraid of a few lawsuits. If we're willing to do what it takes to get illegal immigrants back to their home countries, we should be willing to support our school administrators in getting illegal students back to their home counties.

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Submitted by Voice of Fayett... on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 10:49am.

I would tend to agree. We need to continue aggressive law enforcement.

By the way, since you are a lawyer, remember we wanted you to tell us about all of those lawsuits that the former Commission filed. You said you were going to defend your fellow attorney the County Attorney.

Understand you have been busy. Now that the County Attorney is gone, what is your opinion on all of those previous lawsuits ? And how about the Tyrone fiasco?


Submitted by redwingmum on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 6:40pm.

My family moved to Fayetteville fifteen years ago because of a Delta Air Lines office closing. We chose Fayetteville for our home because of the excellent schools and safe neighborhoods. The bottom line here is the change in racial balance. Just read the arrest reports in this newspaper. The names are either hispanic or so bizarre that you know immediately they belong to a black person. I try so very hard to accept every person as a human being and not by color or religion and am having a very difficult time doing so anymore. I no longer shop in Fayetteville because white people are treated rudely by black store employees. I shop in Peachtree City instead. My family no longer goes to the movie theatre because of the constant presence of teens up to no good. Drug deals go down daily in the shopping areas. I don't feel that any meeting of the towns leaders will make any iota of difference. This is happening throughout the country, not just Fayette County. Black leaders are too busy calling foul to address the problem at hand. I am seriously thinking about moving to Idaho.

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Submitted by Indocumentado on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 9:59pm.

You might as well consider moving to Finland or Norway, as Fayette will gradually become more Hispanic and blackened. Like there are no "white" gangs! What a moronic argument!


Submitted by simplelife on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 10:30am.

Indocumentado my friend I thought you had fled, oops left the country. Why are you insulting law abiding (legal) citizens about their concerns regarding our current gang problem. Is it possible that you are currently breaking as many laws as these thugs. I am still waiting to hear what business you operate. I may still need your services.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 10:22pm.

Why should white people move?? We have lived here peacefully for many years.........

Would the gangs feel more comfortable if white people left?? How about if those of us who are Jewish left?? What would it take to make you feel comfortable??

I would rather stay.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 10:15pm.

...Hispanic and blackened.

blackened shrimp, blackened fish, blackened chicken...

can't you use a better term than 'blackened'? are you describing the menu?


Submitted by tonto707 on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 8:35pm.

put a lot of blame on the black families that have moved here. I know many of them and they are good people trying to do what we all are, ie, get a better life for themselves and their children.

I will however blame it on the rogue black teenagers from surrounding areas who see profits if they choose to burgle or steal from businesses or homes in Fayette County.

And you're right, black leaders are due a lot of the blame when they defend the wrongdoing of other blacks. We wouldn't tolerate it from white leaders and blacks shouldn't tolerate it from their leaders.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 6:03pm.

The police dept. and sheriff's dept. are tough on crime, and very pro-active.

The parents here are the ones in denial.

Anytime an officer arrests a teen or gives them a ticket the parents almost always assault them with gratuitous profanity. They refuse to believe what their little "angels" are up to. They write pathetic little letters to this paper to complain about how their "angel" is being picked on.

As soon as the parents here grow up maybe the kids will. When parents start to act like parents again maybe teen gangs will be a thing of the past.

Submitted by sageadvice on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 7:52pm.

You might appreciate it if a cop would just bring your kid home with a warning once.
A court date every time is not necessary!
Maybe you don't have any?

Submitted by depdawg on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 9:29am.

What agencies are you most upset by, and please be specific. I have worked for two of the agencies in the county and can assure you that most officers don't unnecessarily "cite" your child. A violation of the law is just that. If that officers chooses to risk his life by stopping your child for a valid reason, as listed in the law book, you, your child, or anyother person should expect to be corrected, either by citation or warning. Sometimes warnings just arent what are needed. Sometimes your child commits such a boneheaded act they need a ticket, and sometimes the don't. There are agencies, and most specifically certain officers at all county agencies, that just pick on kids, and thats wrong, but blame the supervisors at those agencies, they know who they are.

Submitted by swmbo on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 12:13am.

I've been working my fanny off (checking in when I could) and haven't had time to post much but I just can't let this one go. Nit, the blame (as I said when the blogs were dealing with idiot posters supporting Fool Rahim) lies with the parents. If parents want their kids to be brought home with a warning, they'd make sure their kids were well supervised so that they wouldn't start their troublemaking with felonious behavior. I am sick and tired of parents of children charged with a crime saying, "why couldnt' you just give him a warning?" My only response to that is, "Why couldn't you just do your job as a parent and mold a decent human being?"

I see the seeds of failure being sewn into children's lives in ways that I just don't think most parents think about anymore. It starts with music laced with filthy words blaring from the car stereo while the todler is strapped in the back seat. Aside from the fact that the parent is damaging a developing child's hearing, they are also damaging a developing child's character. Then, there's the parent who lets their child watch television programs featuring children who back-sass adults. As an adult, those shows represent what you wish you could have said as a kid, but had better sense than to try it. But young kids have not developed the judgement to keep the sass in their heads. So, they go to school and sass their teachers, they sass the neighbor who corrects them for misbehaving or, worse, they sass the police.

Parents allow their kids to watch television shows with sexual content and then wonder why their kid gets caught doing more than the you-show-me-yours-I'll-show-you-mine stuff of yester-years. Parents don't bother to get to know the parents of their children's friends. So, when they send their child off to someone else's home, they don't know what that kid's parents do for a living, don't know if those parents allow their kids to do and see things they don't allow in their own home and don't know who else will be in the house while their child is visiting. I could go on but the likelihood is that the parents who need to read this aren't checking these blogs; they're too busy earning the payments on the Escalade or taking their tennis lessons.

Now, I have no doubt that some parent is going to respond that kids do stupid things and that we shouldn't bring life-altering consequences on them at such early ages. Take note: in this county, if you don't bring behavior-modifying discipline to your household then, the justice system will -- with the full support of the community -- bring life-altering punishment on your kid.

But bad parenting is not a black issue. It's not a white issue, a Hispanic issue or a village issue. It's a wakeup call to parents to DO YOUR JOB.

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Submitted by wheeljc on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:40am.

Agree with the direction voiced by swmbo! Way too often, parents will attempt to 'excuse' bad behavior of their kids without understanding that their failure to correct BAD or CRIMINAL behavior is only going to encourage more of the same! Have seen posts on this site of parents attempting to blame others for their kid's lack of judgment, or failure to to adhere to the RIGHT!

To often, our public education system has been blamed for 'not educating' the masses. Think that swmbo's comments transcend bad behavior, and would also include parental responsibilities in getting their kids through high school with a diploma --- that they can read.

Could it be that the time is coming when parents will start being held responsible for their kid's behavior? What would be the effect of charging parents 'room and board' costs of their kids when they were incarcerated?

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 1:12pm.

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- Jane Hambleton has dubbed herself the "meanest mom on the planet."

After finding alcohol in her son's car, she decided to sell the car and share her 19-year-old's misdeed with everyone -- by placing an ad in the local newspaper.


Submitted by wheeljc on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:56am.

http://www.wxiatv.com/news/watercooler/article_weird.aspx?storyid=109264

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Submitted by poipendicular on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 9:20am.

It is a combination of many things that have led to this heightened criminal activity in our county. Yes, the unsavory elements are infiltrating into our county. Where there is prosperity, those without want it also.
What is a problem also are the parents. There are parents that work many hours away from home far away. Some have a stay at home parent, others have no adult in the home. The parents need to communicate with their teens. Know what they are thinking, who they spend time with, and so forth. To be really involved, and for the teen to know what the parent expects of them, and that the teen can go to the parents for guidance. These parents are completely tuned to themselves. They buy their children material goods to show love, or occupy them, while the parents do what they wish to. What teen wouldn't act out or cause trouble? They know their parents have checked out.
Another issue I see are the rentals. Property management companies, and homeowners that are not interested in what comes into our neighborhoods. They only want to collect the rents, and some small modicum of care about the maintenance. The renters are they as concerned about the community as the locals? Are the parents in these rentals reminding their children, they are in Fayette school district, not Clayton? This is the children's opportunity to achieve a decent education and the future of higher learning, leading to a better adulthood?
The criminal element, we can only keep our eyes on and be proactive with law enforcement. The teenagers in and out of the county are in the hands of the parents. Perhaps all adults in Fayette need to take a class or two on pride of Fayette, and raising responsible children. I'm sure everyone needs a refresher course at one point or another, or a new perspective in the raising of teenagers. Lord knows I'm going through the pre-teen stage, and I can use any new tactics available to keep mine in line.


Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 10:18pm.

Most of what these kids are involved in today does not deserve a warning it deserves jail time. Drugs, guns, DUI, Breaking and Entering, Stealing......all of that demands a serious response.

Fortunately for us our Sheriff's Dept. has been enforcing the law. Big thanks to Sheriff Johnson and whoever he endorses to replace him.

Submitted by tonto707 on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 8:29pm.

every time isn't necessary?

Gimme a break! If there is more than one time, parents have failed.

Blaming the 'village' won't cut it with me.

Submitted by PTC Avenger on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 6:35pm.

While I agree that parents should shoulder some of the blame for this problem, the real issue here is that unsavory individuals are making their presence felt in Fayette county at an alarming rate. The majority of these individuals are black Americans. There, I said it. Anyone who denies that the recent spike in crime has anything to do with the recent influx of black Americans to our county is a liar. It's been happening relatively slowly but the last few years have really seen a marked acceleration. What are law abiding citizens to do? Any attempt to stifle this trend or nip it in the bud will without a doubt cause many to cry foul and hurl accusations of discrimination and racism. Citizens who've lived here for many years and built a life here will put their tail between their legs and eventually move further down the road once things get bad enough. It doesn't take a genius to notice the pattern. Our worse days are ahead of us.

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Submitted by Indocumentado on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 10:02pm.

Can we deport these black americans back to Africa?


Submitted by Byron on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 9:47am.

I’ve been reading this website for a few years, and never felt compelled to post despite some of the more outrageous comments and presumptions that some of the posters seem to take as gospel. However, due to the phase of the moon, the NH primary results (I’m in mild mourning over Ron Paul), the fabulous season that the Celtics are having, the fact that the stock market is crashing and I actually made some prudent moves in anticipation of this, or some such other nonsense, I feel compelled to offer what I believe to be a somewhat unique POV for this board.

First off – and how I really wish this were irrelevant, but to many I know it’s not – I am a black resident of Clayton County who has lived there for 18 and ½ years. I feel your pain (hee hee – I couldn’t resist!). We - meaning the hardworking, law abiding, property tax-paying citizens of Clayton County (and despite the perception, we come in all shades) – have been dealing with the same issues that you are, but for much longer, dating back to the 1996 post-Olympic influx of “riff raff” into the county. But just for the record, I (and many of my dark-skinned ilk) recognize no self-appointed or media-appointed individual as our “black leader (which is a ludicrous concept if you really think about it),” I don’t tolerate lack-of-character issues without addressing them within my own family, and I sure as heck keep a .40 caliber Glock in the night stand because I know I live in the midst of a statistically significant high crime area. In other words, life is what it is and we all must do what we can to experience it to the fullest, while recognizing that so much of what happens – including “the accident of birth” of being born to whatever family, place, and situation we were – is out of our control.

My point? I am just as frustrated over criminal behavior as you are, but having grown up in central Alabama during the late 50’s through the late 70’s, and then having lived in many places in virtually every region of this country until the late 80’s, I know that race isn’t the root cause of the problem. A lack of character and ethics is, and this exists in all shades and all locales. Yes, there are a disproportionate number of violent crimes being committed by blacks in this neck of the woods, just as there are disproportionate amounts of pedophilia and serial murder crimes being committed by whites, but so what, right? Despite the statistics, I would never condemn all whites (or even "most" whites) as being nothing more than a bunch of pedophiles and blood thirsty mass murders. The individuals who commit these crimes do so not because of race, but because of mental illness, lack of character, because they are plain evil, or some combination thereof – period.

Sadly, so many of us have become conditioned to react to life situations based upon the race (and the prevailing stereotypes) of the accused and/or the convicted that we’ve lost all sense of perspective, common sense, and empathy.

"Your" struggles, "your" goals, "your" desires, and "your" frustrations aren’t so very different from mine, so I hope that each of you will keep that in mind every time you are tempted to spout off out of frustration and anger, fear or ignorance, or honest-to-goodness feelings of superiority and divinity-granted entitlement and decide to paint an entire county, race, etc...as the bane of your existence. I hope that some of you will realize that some of the reactions associated with those types of attitudes and beliefs are as much of a bane to me - a self-professed model citizen - as are the actions of the criminals, no matter what race they may be. I think that those of us committed to a higher quality of life must learn to place blame where it belongs - on the individual perpetrators - if we expect to realize and maintain the quality of life as a community that many of us envision.

Peace out...

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Submitted by Gamma Sherri on Fri, 01/11/2008 - 11:59am.

I'm sure Hilton's victims would agree with that... what could be safer than a 60 yo white male with a dog? I'm sure that the Cheryl Dunlap, the Duncans, Meredith Emerson, and gawd only knows who else, thought that since he wasn't a thug, they were safe.

Yes, statistically, black males perform many crimes against other races, mostly burglary and robbery, but they tend to kill each other. For the horrific crimes that keep us awake at night, shuddering at any sound, is almost exclusively white males.

I'm not saying this to excuse the increase in crime that is coming in from the north and the Southeast. I agree that the parents and the community has to stand up to these individuals and say "not here." Personally, my family fled Decatur to come to Fayetteville back in the 70's, so I'm aware of the white flight syndrome. Now the homes in Decatur are up close to the 7 figure mark. I'm not running any more. I love Fayetteville, and I'm not going anywhere.


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Submitted by hutch866 on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 10:03pm.

note the key word "Americans"

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by Indocumentado on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 10:09pm.

Mmmm....my geography teacher showed me a map where America included from Canada in the northern hemisphere to Chile/Argentina in the southern hemisphere. So, all Hispanics happen to be "Americans".


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Submitted by hutch866 on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 10:12pm.

So are all black Americans, isn't that what we were discussing?

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by opustv on Tue, 01/08/2008 - 7:00pm.

I grew up in Dunwoody and watched the same activity move up Buford Hwy and Peachtree Industrial Blvd to take over Chamblee, Doraville, and eventually Dunwoody (MARTA helped bring it to Perimeter Mall and beyond)over the course of 15 years. It's not a race issue as much as it is an economic one. A few run down rental homes in an area, apartment complexes that lower new-tenant standards and communities that aren't staying on top of the schools and law enforcement. People give up and move away...taking jobs, their home and community improvement dollars(and standards) with them...leaving the community in the hands of people who are on the very the edge of surviving economically. It can be Hispanics, black people or white people. Bottom line...you want to prevent gang activity, hire a teen and help them learn how the world really works, keep your community standards high, lean hard (very hard) on school officials, county government and law enforcement to do more than wring their hands at the problems.


Submitted by Terriers88 on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 11:58am.

The city I'm from, a suburb of Boston, was completely overrun by gangs years ago and is now a shell of its once great self. I've been watching things here in Fayette for a while and believe me, we've had a problem for a while. Where I'm from, and I won't mention it here, kids used to be able to walk to the corner store unattended, parks were safe. Now, you arent even safe in your own home and most of the families who had houses there for generations have left. Many houses now are burned out or abandoned crack houses. Mr. Simmons is right, we still have a chance to prevent Fayette from becoming another Riverdale. First, parents and kids. Parents, you have to be involved in your kids lives. My kids sometimes hate me because I impose on them...I want to know the who, what,where and when of their friends, emails, text messages, myspace as well as their whereabouts. Failure to comply brings consequences that are strict. Second, the Police need to use good judgement. Not every offense done by a teenager deserves an arrest and court date. The Police have a good understanding of our community and know the repeat offenders. They also recognize when a kid makes a just plain dumb decision. I remember being told by a police officer to empty out the beer onto the ground, given a good lecture and ordered to go home and not get caught again. I didn't need a court appearance to realize what I did was dumb. I also know people who were breaking and entering, shoplifting and worse who went to jail and got a court date. They deserved it. Common sense here. Also, more police officers. I'm all for hiring more police and using as many traffic cameras as possible so our officers can patrol neighborhoods and shopping centers instead of having to patrol for speeders and other traffic offenders. I can't tell you the last time I saw a police car patrolling my neighborhood. If there were more neighborhood patrols and people got to know the officers who patrol their neighborhood, neighborhoods get a lot safer. Third and probably most important, everyone in this county needs to wake up and smell what is being imported into the county. Gangs, drugs. Denial is the easiest way to lose the Fayette we all love. Race, immigration status etc. don't really count. Gangs cross all boundries. They accept whomever is willing to join. The present a sense of belonging to kids who feel they don't belong somewhere else. That's why #1 is so important. Parents who are involved with their kids have them in activities, church, and keep on them about grades in school so that they don't have idle time to get into trouble. Finally, while I'm on this rant, back home, one of the best hangouts for gangs...abandoned shopping centers. Seems like that has been, and still is, an issue in Fayette County for a while now. Instead of allowing super sized stores we really don't need, why not fill the existing spaces. All Government bodies in the County need to work on that.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 12:09pm.

You are so so right. Parental involvement is very critical. Unfortunately, it's missing as some parents are distracted.

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