I read your post with an open mind and picked up on the following

All of the above traits were also found in Karl Marx! Hey, I'm in no way equating the two, but how about giving me a specific position he has on TDK or one of the other many issues.

As someone who works with budgets I found Matt's mail out amusing. He proposes we allocate more resources to transportation, police and education. His fourth point is that he will reign in the budget

Is this an example of how he thinks?

This is the way to blog!

Matt Ramsey should demand his money back from the folks who put up his website. It is empty. Compare it to Kevin Madden's site. Madden at least is detailed. I have always been suspicious about flag waving politicians that won't say anything.

Agree! With the number of major issues that face this state (and Country for that matter), one sure did not get a warm and fuzzie from reviewing his 'position' on "issues". Sounds like some old politicians got to the new wannabe and told him to be
real "SQUISHY". For the life of me, don't think he tied himself down to anything. I'm not a democrat, but Oprah Winfrey made more sense on education while pitching for Obama over the weekend than any politician I've heard in years! His site sure DID NOT OFFER ANY CONCRETE SOLUTIONS TO ANYTHING!

Are any of the candidates going to be strong enough to take a stand on anything????

What is he for?

Who cares what he's for, according to the posts he's trying really, really, hard to meet people. What else does he need? Positions on the issues facing the county? Ah so what, he shook my neighbors hand thats good enough for me.

Ramsey may be a swell guy. Bill Clinton was a real nice guy playing the taxophone. That's doesn't mean I will vote for either one.

Ramsey is silent on the issues. Trying to discern his position on ANYTHING is like trying to nail jello to the wall. Look at his website. It is empty vanilla nothingness. Take for example TDK--- nothing. He says nothing. Not here, not on his website, not in his mailers, not in his automated phone calls and not in his Letters to the Editor. Gee, if your spouse won't answer the question if they had an affair, you assume the worst.

Ramsey's boss is Lawyer Doug Warner. He was on the Development Authority when they authorized the illegal deals that Harold bailed out with a million bucks. Warner admitted violating the Open Meetings law. That's a helluva legal tutor for young Ramsey.

Matt, run for a position in the Chamber of Commerce.

John M, you assume too much. I am not a Ramsey supporter. Don’t know him or much about him. I’m just not a big fan of Steve Brown.

Is Steve Brown self-deluded? Absolutely. He deluded himself into believing one of the main reasons he lost the mayoral race was due to the “Grand Tree” renaming - - his ludicrous attempt at political correctness. In reality, his loss had little or nothing to do with the tree. After losing to Logsdon by TWENTY percentage points in the general election, a reasonable person would have conceded the run- off and avoided the inevitable embarrassment. But not Steve Brown. Even after a host of former mayors and the rest of the candidates endorsed Logsdon, Steve Brown still believes he lost in large part because of the Grand Tree gaffe. Just read his post-election editorial. Completely delusional. Now he has deluded himself in thinking he can win the 72d district seat.
Steve Brown sure can write an editorial, though. His mean-spirited attacks on anyone who disagrees with him are infamous. Steve Brown needs to go get a job with a print rag. That’s where his only talent lies. His political career is over. Because the voters of Peachtree City remember the divisiveness and rancor that accompanied Steve Brown’s term as mayor. He talks a good game. And it was enough for the voters of Peachtree City to elect him once. But the voters of Peachtree City will not make that mistake again. Let’s hope the 72d district voters know him and his record - - accomplishing little while making many enemies.
I’m not a huge Logsdon fan, but you have to admit, he has done more in two years than Steve Brown did in four. You may not agree with everything Logsdon has done, but at least he is moving FORWARD in a professional and OPEN manner. The fact is, Mayor Logsdon cleaned up the Tennis Center mess which was the right thing to do. He also supported the Wieland annexation. So did Steve Brown – but Brown could not get it done. While some oppose annexation, it remains the BEST WAY for the city to CONTROL development.
Wild accusations about Logsdon and Boone being in the pocket of developers are just that - wild accusations with absolutely no merit or proof. The entire City Council is trying to move this city forward the best way they know how. If you don’t like the direction they are going, attend a City Council meeting and make your voice heard. It takes time, commitment, and professionalism. Or you can just blog and write editorials. Like Steve Brown. It’s easy to be a critic. That’s the role Steve Brown has carved out for himself. Electing a professional critic like Steve Brown, who CREATES NOTHING, would be a huge mistake.

From the other side of the tracks

You must really be Steve Brown since all this ranting of yours has just convinced me to vote for Brown.

I’m not a huge Logsdon fan, but you have to admit, he has done more in two years than Steve Brown did in four. You may not agree with everything Logsdon has done, but at least he is moving FORWARD in a professional and OPEN manner.

I'm still laughing.Good luck with your future special on Comedy Central.

The fact is, Mayor Logsdon cleaned up the Tennis Center mess which was the right thing to do.

That you were one of the beneficiaries that got your butt bailed out at the taxpayers expense? Any taxpayer in his right mind wouldn't make such a silly comment nor endorse such fraud forced on 'we the people'.

IF the "tennis center" was such a fraud, why hasn't anyone come forward to try and expose said fraud? A building was built, money was loaned, money was paid back. Said building is still there and still owned by the City. I fail to see the fraud, but my question remains. Frankly, I'm ready for someone to back it up, or SHUT UP about it.

Mr. McDawg,

Do some research for yourself. It gets tiring having to document the facts over and over to folks who aren't paying attention. The facts regarding the Tennis Center bailout have been well documented on the Citizen for sometime now. Where in the heck have you been. So until you 'get up to speed' then perhaps you're the one who needs to SHUT UP about it.

Other than that... Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Show one case where anything involving the tennis center or Development Authority has been proven to be "illegal." It's been investigated already...where were the charges? Oh, I forgot...there has never been any! It's a vast conspiracy!

People have opinions about whether everything that happened/didn't happen were "right" or "wrong", but everyday schmucks' opinions that change as the wind blows don't mean anything as far as the law is concerned. Thank God it takes more than the usual gang of shrill whiners to prove anything "illegal."

NUK

Come on, Nuk...That's too easy.

Let's start with the illegal contract between the Developer Authority and City Council whereby Lenox illegally permitted Brooks, Warner and Tennis Center crowd to put a sump pump into city tax revenues. PTC hired an Outside Counsel who concluded, whoops, ya did again Bobby:

"Based on the clear record in this matter, it is the opinion of Special Counsel that City Council voted to authorize former Mayor Lenox to sign agreements substantially similar to the agreements in the council books. As the agreements ultimately executed were vastly different, Special Counsel concludes that the executed agreements were not authorized by City Council. In accordance with O.C.G.A. 45-6-5 and Georgia Supreme Court's decision in Penitentiary Co. No. v. Gordon and its progeny, Special Counsel concludes that the executed intergovernmental agreements with the Airport Authority and the Development Authority are invalid" (Investigation Report to the City Council of Peachtree City, Submitted by Special Counsel, Aug. 8, 2002).

http://www.thecitizen.com/archive/main/archive-031001/news/fp-03.html

How about Lawyer Doug Warner, member of the Developer Authority and the Developer Authority Lawyer Oldenburg, admitting that they violated the Open Meetings Law.

Gosh, this is too easy. Wanna keep going ?

Here Turtle Man Tortugaocho. Let me help you with that link for our readers.

CLICK HERE TO VIEW: Time Line Of Amphitheater & Tennis Center Facts

Of course the facts for the developer crowd supporters like Nuk, and friends are irrelevant to those guys. Imagine that.

First off, I support developers in the sense that I'm not a complete idiot like some who don't realize who builds houses, streets and grocery stores, etc. Like any other business, there have to be checks and balances put on the desires of developers to keep them from overriding everything else. Being totally anti-development is myopic, self-defeating, and intellectually lazy. It appeals to the simple-minded who can only grasp concepts when they are expressed as all "good" or all "bad."

Next, I missed in the time-line where anyone was charged with anything illegal or went to jail. While it's obvious to anyone that the Development Authority royally screwed-up and it's puzzling that it was staffed by experienced professionals who knew better, where is the illegality that keeps getting stated as fact when it isn't a fact?

NUK

because harold settled out of court quickly so his drinking buddies wouldn't be embarrassed. He sold out the taxpayers.

I'm not a lawyer (lier) but I think there is case law that a development authority cannot take on millions of dollars of debt without a bond referendum. Notice things were done differently this past election, maybe harold isn't as stupid as I thought. The citizens said no to 2 big expenses. Yeah they are "professionals" at lying. They did know better, thats what is so disgusting

Now just who would run a Tennis Center in one neighborhood to attract buyers of homes, and try to get the rest of the city to pay for it. There are few Tennis Players who want a private Club membership. Cities are supposed to have Tennis Courts for their citizens.
If the Board of Directors of a local bank (Peachtree National--now Synovus) want to loan a Tennis Pro a million or more bucks without a bond issue, then it survives until Peachtree City collects enough taxes to pay it off!
Hotel Taxes are NOT taxes according to republicans, but there apparently wasn't enough of even those to pay it off. Hotel tax IS tax! If I visit another city and they have a hotel tax (and who doesn't) then I pay theirs and they pay ours! Good racket, huh?

Special Counsel concluded contracts with Dev Auth by Lenox were illegal:

"Based on the clear record in this matter, it is the opinion of Special Counsel that City Council voted to authorize former Mayor Lenox to sign agreements substantially similar to the agreements in the council books. As the agreements ultimately executed were vastly different, Special Counsel concludes that the executed agreements were not authorized by City Council. In accordance with O.C.G.A. 45-6-5 and Georgia Supreme Court's decision in Penitentiary Co. No. v. Gordon and its progeny, Special Counsel concludes that the executed intergovernmental agreements with the Airport Authority and the Development Authority are invalid" (Investigation Report to the City Council of Peachtree City, Submitted by Special Counsel, Aug. 8, 2002). "

I'm glad we have both venues here in PTC. There is a reason this is better place to live than most, and City amenities are part of it.

Oh yeah, Merry Christmas to you and yours too.

I'm glad we have both venues here in PTC.

For the benefit of few, at the expense of many.

So the ends justifies the means for you?

McDawg - Thanks... and a very sincere Merry Christmas to you.

with all the wrong doings, why isn't anyone in jail? Or at the very least, being indicted?

That's the real story here, or not.

why isn't anyone in jail?

That's a good question my friend and I hope to get back to you tomorrow with a few more 'why isn't anyone jail' scenario's. It surely deserves more discussion, time willing.

Yeah... why is it that many of the same people keep getting away with unscrupulous and illegal transactions? If I conducted business as many of our 'subjects' have, then I'd be locked up for sure. Why aren't they in jail? That's the question that angers many of us.

It ends in accusations and not much else.

That being said, I'm not sure any of the 4 candidates are qualified to be in charge of picking up trash in the City Park.

This is where this always ends.... It ends in accusations and not much else.

Good news McDawg. It doesn't end in accusations and not much else.

CLICK HERE: And Connect The Corrupt Lawyer / Developer / Politican Dots To Lawyer Ramsey's Campaign

First give me a couple of minutes to pick up a few pieces of low hanging fruit so I can toss them to you. But, somehow I'm not sure anything will change your mind.

You've been exposed to enough facts from this site to give you an indication that there's an ethics problem with many of the players whom you seem to enjoy defending.

What I'll present will be the equivalent of catching Larry Craig in the men's room wiggling his fingers and tapping his toes. But, like many, you'll ignore the intent, and what happened and demand to see the 'live act' with his mouth filled..... Even at that, I somehow doubt you'll be convinced. You just don't want to believe your Chamber buddies are capable of these kind of misdoings.

Stay tuned.

I just got through finishing the piece for you McDawg and I lost it. A derned hours worth of work down the crapper.....

Arrrrgggghhhhh! Sometimes you gotta just hate this format.

I'll be back!

Sometimes if you use the BACK arrow (or mouse button), your post will still be there. Also, open a new window (tab for Firefox) and log in there or refresh your log-in BEFORE you preview.

Another trick -- Control A = all / Control C = copy BEFORE you preview

I try to remember to copy to a WORD file if my post is long (which it always is ). Then you can just copy it over if you're logged off (which happens as far as previewing or posting, even if you're still listed as online).

Ouch that hurt.

Normally, I utilize some of the methods you suggest. I just totally blew it on this one. If I'da only copied and posted it on word document like I do nearly every other time I do a long, researched posting. Oh well... there are no do-overs with this blog forum.

But, I'm Ok. I got it put together again. Though not as well as I did the first time.

"I got it put together again. Though not as well as I did the first time."

You too?

It's not that much extra time to copy into WORD, a lot less than re-writing an entire post, especially putting in links.

Seems like we'd remember the pain, the frustration . . . . Haste makes waste!

Denise, where are your brains?!?!

BTW, did you see my post to you, Jacob DeShazer & Mitsuo Fuchida?

Anyway we could make more get lost?
I don't have time to read 16 pages of cut and paste!
I write what I write from facts---what I have done and seen personally--and of course using my superior brain that thinks--not copies.
Bush reads (others) speeches---Clinton (both) do not---don't need to!

Just curious, which one of you is using the superior brain today?

I yam what I yam....Popeye

I have the Jacob DeShazer & Mitsua Fuchida links saved. I read some and realized I needed to set some special time aside to absorb those stories. I need to get that done.

Gee... I hate elections.

But $ seems to have unlimited time (and identities, all with the same personality).

I don't have enough time to find out all of the intricacies of local elections; so, I'm glad that you & others post so that I can find out while I'm trying to get my work done. Read one post; go back to work; read another . . . .

Did Mrs. Git receive vote-for-Heidi info (vs. an envelope addressed to the household or to both of you, etc.)? Heidi did say that she got in because we need a woman (especially a hyphenated one ) to run.

We didn't get a letter from Heidi. We've never been on the mailing list for the Democrat party.

Hey! What's worse than a hyphenated woman's name?

Huh?

Huh?

Huh?

Give Up? Ok... a man with a hypentated woman's name. Does Hovey - King not seem odd to you?

I've wondered if I'm the only one who thought that. Just to annoy them I use only one of the two last names and stress it when saying it.

"We've never been on the mailing list for the Democrat party." -- You found me out!

My letter was hand addressed, too. That makes me feel sooooo special, almost enough to change my vote!

Don't continue the cover-up
You know that our Chief of Police refused to prosecute anyone in this matter, I don't think he even investigated it.
Now if you have powerful lawyers on both sides making an agreement---all republicans---and presenting the agreement to the republican County prosecutor and judge---what is going to happen?

A judge won't hear a case with no charges anyway.

The prosecutor didn't want into that party mess!

The Tennis Center kept no readable books (illegal) even with a lawyer on staff.

Little of the money could be accounted for (illegal).

Violates Authority rules to do these things and accept bail-out from the City and hold no one responsible!

I know what will ultimately be said: Taxes will pay the City and the City will pay the authority---maybe.

This sort of thing is what happens if you don't change horses often.

that word Hutch used . . .eviscerate, yup that's it eviscerate.

hutch is a Navy man. He can say whatever he wants and probably has.
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Steve Brown explains the Tennis Center Mess

Long story short:
The "moneyed elite" wanted a tennis center built.
They just didn't want to pay for it.
They knew from experience a tennis center was very low on the list of taxpayer priorities, so they couldn't float a bond.
So they worked a side deal with the DAPC to build the center and stick the taxpayers with the bill.

Then, they couldn't even cover their massive operating expenses so they had to stiff the taxpayers for a multi-million dollar bailout.

Harold Logsdon and his trusty sidekick Steve Boone spearheaded the effort to shaft the taxpayers of PTC. It will be very interesting to see where those two end up once they are drummed out of office in the next elections.

do that?

Who are the moneyed elite?

The lawyers on both sides got their money, but the bank didn't. That is why we paid the bank, but why. Cause the lawyers said so! Didn't want to pay for a lawsuit that our hometown bank hit us with? Who were the local bank directors?
Lots of questions, no answers.
If the money was mis-used for operating cost instead of paying for the place, why did we pay it? Or pay on it? How much more do we owe?
Why a secret if we are paying for it?

This issue was hammered out in a special called meeting on 11-29-2006. You can look at the minutes (5 pages) and see a synopsis of what went on. It's under Government, Mayor and Council, and then meeting minutes. You'll notice the resolution was adopted 4-1, Rutherford being the lone vote against. Their detractors would have us all believe it was simply the doing of Logsdon and Boone. Not the case. It is an interesting read.

It was all LOGSDON'S doing. NO ONE else was ever involved. Even though Steve was MAYOR for 4 years, he didn't attempt to shine any light on the situation that EVERYONE but you and I knew about. Steve and LOGSDON split the take. And Steve split his half with Git. I'm convinced they were all in on it.

I'm calling the Sheriff.

And IF what Brown is accusing them of is close to true, why hasn't anyone pursued the issue further?

Everyone regarding this issue of "wrong doing" seems to be Big Hat No Cattle.

That is just my point, if these so called facts are so damning of the process, where are the lawsuits/accusations/anything concrete?

Seriously, it would SHUT UP everyone. You and I both.

Your comment doesn't answer anything as to WHY nothing is done about the "so called" wrong doing. It's like a dog chasing it's tail. I bring up a legitimate question, you say "it's out there". If so much is out there, where are the indictments?

You may disagree with my question, I'm seriously trying to see why nothing has been done, IF it is so bad.

They feel all powerless and disenfranchised because their god Steve Brown got demolished in the last Mayoral election. They took it very personally that the vast majority disagrees with them and seems to ignore incessant whining. Since then, their hope is all gone and everything is a disaster, all due to the THOUSANDS of developers, lawyers, Mitch Seabaugh, Logsdon, the guy who just cut them off on 54, etc.

This place is about the only way for them to be heard since the average PTC resident could care less.

NUK

It's really hilarious to read this stuff. We have about 3 guys here who believe everyone is out to get them, except for Ol' Stevie.

At least I know that the 77th district doesn't have a problem with developers. Come to think of it, my representative is more in tune with his constitutes in Clayton County rather than those in Fayette County. I wonder why that is?
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You are the first one to say anything about the exact, current status of the Tennis Center debt!
If you know it has all been paid, then do you mind telling us how it was paid?
Let us account for all the money paid to Peachtree National Bank (Synovus) including interest since Logadon took over as mayor.
The missing millions were not to build the Tennis Center: it was a later loan, and as far as I know was used to pay "Pros" and operating expenses, and possibly a restaurant addition! (Which leaks)
The authority (a Tennis Pro signed the debt) owes the money, not the city. But the city agreed to bail them out, illegally in my opinion!

I know an agreement has been reached to pay the debt on the Center. I do realize it hasn't been fully repaid.

Again, here we go with opinions, and nothing concrete to show wrong doing.

You love conspiracy theories. But the truth is I'm just a resident who watched Steve Brown create countless enemies - for no purpose other than to satisfy his huge ego.

From the other side of the tracks

I am sick of Brown through his various pseudo names constantly attacking the so called evil developers, and political leaders in our great county.

I love PTC/Fayette County and want to thank people like, Joel Cowan, Hollis Harris, Fred Brown, Harold Logsdon, et al for making this a wonderful place to live and work.

The Brown mayor years were a waste, as recognized with his bid for re-election, he DID NOT WIN a single voting machine.

Brown if you hate Fayette County so much for what these people did, and do now, LEAVE !

DELTA IS READY WHEN YOU ARE !

Couldn't have said it better myself. I can feel the love . . .

From the other side of the tracks

Boy are you guys getting desperate or what? Lawyer Ramsey's campaign platform is just as I had earlier predicted. At first you guys portray yourselves as 'above the fray'. After Lawyer Ramsey and his developer supporters are found out and you find that your facade isn't working you immediately become so Hillaryesque in your politics of personal destruction

Go Misfit Go! Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel about it.

For all the reinventions Steve has done, his most distressing is being a Republican In Name Only (RINO). Isn't district voting the very essence of a democrat policy? What about adding to the development authority and including more appointees? Bigger is not better when it comes to Government! If it acts like a democrat, smells like a democrat and enacts things that are on the democratic platform ..... then it is a Democrat! Wake up people....Fayette County is a long-time Republican stronghold. People like Steve and Heidi run as Republicans instead of democrats just to garner votes! They don't wish to govern as republicans, just be elected as republicans!

Good evening 30 yr resident. I found your post to be quite telling for many reasons.

It is always interesting to me when the term "democrat" is used as an insult. It's kind of like when conservatives throw the term "liberal" as if it is an insult as opposed to an adjective describing a different set of philosophies on governmental and social policy. I feel like I have to bring you a news flash 30 year: The prestige and exclusivity that you view the term "republican" with may not apply outside of your zip code. The reputation for competent governance that the "Republican" brand may have once had is a thing of the past. I'm not trying to be petty or partisan. The term "democrat" currently is synonymous with powerless and yielding extremely modest results, but I sense that as the democratic majority grows beyond the needed 60 to overcome veto attempts in the Senate, and especially when the democratic president is sworn in in a year and change, we will begin to see more results out of the democratic legislature.

But to my point. Here in PTC and nationally, republicans have not kept promises and commitments to be open, honest, and financially responsible. i dare say it would be more insulting in this current state of affairs to tell someone they are acting like a republican. And I believe that is precisely why the Independents are growing exponentially. These are people who can never imagine themselves being democrats, but are far less than proud of what republicanism means today.

If you want to criticize Steve Brown, you might want to try using his actual words and showing how he has been wrong or bad for PTC. I can tell you from first hand experience as he helped our neighborhood, Wilshire Estates, deal with our builder, you won't find many enemies of the man here.

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King

But Brown would upset the applecart of that list of contributors his opponent has!
Brown is in a different social circle.

People like Steve and Heidi run as Republicans instead of democrats just to garner votes!

And just what is it that you are trying to accomplish by trying to compare Steve to Hyphenated Heidi? Save your breath. Half of the Republican Party in the year 2007 is comprised of RINO's. For proof just look at the clowns running the Executive Committee of the Fayette County Republican Party. Need I say more?

They don't wish to govern as republicans, just be elected as republicans!

If this were the case then that would make Steve different than any other of 'today's Republicans' in what way?

Weak arguement... Steve is as much of a Republican as you are. Heck.. I can't see why anyone in their right mind would want to be lumped in with the likes of you guys.

As for this Conservative.... I'll sit out for awhile until someone can prove to me the GOP is the party that used to be the grassroots party. Good day!

It's a free country!
I can be a Communist if I want to!
Independents have a real struggle this time picking the best from both sides---there aren't any!
Of course yellow and blue dogs just vote the party.

..please represent me in the Georgia legislature!!

Thanks!!

This clown that calls himself 'other side trax' just dumped a pant load of poopy all over this thread.

But the fact is, Steve Brown left a lot of business unattended that the current administration courageously cleaned up.

Courageously cleaned up? You have got to be kidding. The Tennis Center for starters??????

The above stinky blog has got to be the mostest stupidest compilation of words ever written on this forum. Dude... You make $DollarNitPickerSmithGoneBonkers$ look like an academic.

Now then.... Prove me wrong.

Courageous would have been to tell the Peachtree Nation Bank to go ahead and sue PTC, your lifeblood!
However, a lot of dirt would have surfaced in that.

Exactly what dirt are you talking about? Please be more specific when you throw it around!

Be nice, Kitty2U

He will not go along with the radical economic agenda of the Republicans in the State House who want to shift power away from the individual to the global corporatists.

This line is about as credible as the one where the Democrats blame George Bush for Hurricane Katrina.

Or better yet.... about as believable as hearing the Lawyer Ramsey crowd trying to distance him from the his developer supporters.

No thanks Judith. I'm sticking with Steve Brown.

And, just who are these developer supporters, and how much did they support Ramsey? Let's not just throw stuff out and see if it will stick.

Be nice, Kitty2U

And, just who are these developer supporters, and how much did they support Ramsey?

Lawyer Ramsey's developer supporters have already been established on here multiple times. Look it up yourself. Sheesh!

As to your second question, we'll have to wait until after the election to get the straight poop. Won't we? He's shown us who he has wanted to at this point.

Let's not just throw stuff out and see if it will stick.

See if it'll stick? Good grief lady.... He already stuck with title of 'Developers Candidate'. And we didn't even have to throw stuff out to do it. He labeled himself by the company he keeps and works for.

Now go be nice yourself, Git

Developers contribute money to candidates in elections! So do lawyers! So do private citizens! Who knew?

Hey Git, who was Steve Brown's largest contributor to his failed re-election campaign?

NUK

Developers contribute money to candidates in elections! So do lawyers! So do private citizens! Who knew?

Golly gee JD... Who knew? You just figured that out dude? But the contributor trail often tells the tale. Much as it has for Lawyer Ramsey.

Hey Git, who was Steve Brown's largest contributor to his failed re-election campaign?

Oh that's an easy one. Could it be McWhiner? I'll bet that sucker won't fall for trying to buy Steve off again with a measley campaign contribution. What a pee poor ROI that turned out to be. LOL!

Hey Nuk... Got your yellow 'I Hate Steve Brown' t-shirt ironed and ready to go?

One thing we know about Nuk. He's not a developer. Although he would probably like to be one.... but he just ain't bright enough. But they love having him as a sock puppet nipping at Steve's ankles.

John, I had always thought you to be an advocate of the 'responsible government' wing of the Republican Party. Guess not.

That's so stupid that I can see you believing that. I've never even met the guy, but it makes sense due to how your only method of discussing an issue is to immediately accuse those who disagree as being "developers," "lawyers," or "DirectPAC member!." You're like the Homer Simpson of debating. Member of the Republican Party? That's shocking news to me too!

Take a look at Logsdon-Brown results and then ask yourself a really simple question: were all those Logsdon votes from developers, developer-sympathizers, etc? If so, PTC has more developers and supporters per capita than any place on this planet. Or, your assumptions about people who didn't vote for Brown are simply 100% wrong.

NUK

Remember how Nixon won the last election for President?
Not quite as bad here as that was, but not far off the mark.

The last election?
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I spoke with Mrs. Cyclist this morning - how is your Big Cy doing? I hope he's in less pain now.

Sorry I missed you. It's hard to tell. He says it's better so I trust him. Time will tell.
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He's awfully young to be having back pain - that should only be for people like me who did some stupid things in their early 20's and now for being so 'fluffy!'

It pains me so to see him like that. "fluffy"? I resemble that.
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Especially, since you sound and act just like him. It was an obvious honest mistake considering he too can be a real kNUKlehead sometimes.

but it makes sense due to how your only method of discussing an issue is to immediately accuse those who disagree as being "developers," "lawyers," or "DirectPAC member!."

DEVELOPERS... YOU'RE ALL DEVELOPERS. Yeah right... "that's my only method". Boy are you real believable.

Take a look at Logsdon-Brown results and then ask yourself a really simple question: were all those Logsdon votes from developers, developer-sympathizers, etc?

That's a real easy one to answer. The answer is NO! The are not all developer-sympathizers. What the majority of these voters did do is believe the Direct PAC lies and distortions that were thrown out to get rid of Steve. The worked. Now... you have to ask yourself this question. If the Logsdon / Brown match-up were held today, would we see the same results? Why of course not... as reflected in the elections of Sturbaum & Haddix.

Look... you may think I hate developers.... Nope! Some of my best friends are developers. They just do not play politics in order to bend or break the rules in order to develop properties in a manner in which the zoning regulations do not allow. Nor are they as corrupt as the ones you obviously support. I know, I know.... you want examples. How far back do you want me to go? The PTC Sewer Deal? More recent? I'm ready to play.

I don't think either would win if they were having a rerun of the election. It would be Anyone-But-Brown-But-Not-Logsdon. I wouldn't vote for either of them.

Sewer deal? I'm familiar with it. At least now it is run by professionals and it's also known exactly where the sewer system actually is, something that GA Utilities had no clue about when they operated it. The price tag paid? UGH.

You want to go back to some corruption...how about Fantasy Fitness? Far enough back? Oh, if you want to get on to the more recent crowd in PTC, how about Lenox and Bob Brooks killing the Westside annexation several years ago, which back then was a LOT better than what was later accepted by (mostly) the present council. Lenox didn't seem too developer-friendly then.

Now we know nuk is John D. Earlier we found out assassin is Dan Tennant.

How about McDonough Dawg and Robt. Morgan?

Been living in Spyglass for 3 plus years. Using the nickname, it ain't hard to figure out.

Not a developer, but the ones I know do not want to wreck PTC. The folks I talk with seem to be worried about traffic/crime issues more than anything. I still think TDK should NOT be even considered until Coweta has made HUGE improvements to their infrastructure. Other than falling over myself praising Brown, I pretty much see eye to eye with most on this forum. I truly think 99% of the folks in PTC want what is best for the town. I plan to be here a LONG time.

All that said, I left Henry County for PTC and I've never regretted it. I've got some great neighbors, and my Son has really enjoyed the schools.

Morgan = Lenox?

You = Carol?

I dunno.. but it's fun.

Hey! Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Hey! WhatamIgunnu do? His name's Kevin

Kevin "Hack" King

I thought you would eat crushed glass for Steve Brown. I just knew you'd take a bullet for him. Hutch told me that at the last coffee you guys had, that you stated that you would even have his baby if it helped him get into office.

Wuz up with the change of heart? You gonna give Ramsey a vote by blowing one on Madden? Yikes!

Hope all is well brother. I'm heading out to OKC in about 5 minutes. This is attempt number tois. Pretty nasty out there. Hope you don't have cleaning up to do on your property.

This is the first time I haven't voted for Steve Brown, and it was tough. I've met him when my neighborhood was in its infancy, and I've liked him from square one. He has alot of friends here in my neighborhood because of his support for us on issues against....drum roll.... the builders.

I voted for Kevin because I sense Steve has enemies within his own party (just read away). With friends like those, what is he going to be faced with? Kevin, however, can be the leading edge of a wave of democratic representatives that I feel will have the majority in many states come 08. I don't think you will ever see fellow dems hurl the kind of half and un truths at him that our friendly neighborhood Rs have thrown at Steve. If it comes to a runoff between Steve and Ramsey, you know where my vote will be. And I'm batting a thousand on runoff picks (Straubam being my horse in that local race). Wish me luck. Time to put on the snow shoes.

This is Kevin "Hack" King

ditto Hack. I voted for Madden today also, in early voting. I've read with great interest, all of the posts recently and have come to realize that it's time for a change in PTC, change that the status quo (Brown, Ramsey) cannot provide. I know chances are slim that a dem will win in Fayette County, but it 'tis the season for miracles!