PTC Westside road sales dead for this year

Tue, 12/04/2007 - 5:02pm
By: Cal Beverly

Chances for any 'big box' development next to Planterra Ridge subdivision appear diminished with 2 opponents coming on PTC Council in January

The controversial westside Peachtree City road sale to a developer is dead for this year.

“The request to abandon Line Creek Circle and a portion of Line Creek Drive has been removed from the agenda and is not expected to come before [the Peachtree City] Council until the Jan. 17, 2008, meeting,” according to an email Wednesday afternoon from the city’s public information officer, Betsy Tyler.

Two new council members — both opponents of the proposed sale of two city streets — will have been sworn in by that time, possibly dooming developer Doug McMurrain’s long quest to build a “big box” type of store next to Planterra Ridge subdivision in the city’s West Village.

Both councilmen-elect Don Haddix and Doug Sturbaum campaigned against any new big-box store on the city's west side and against the sale of city land to a developer to facilitate a commercial project.

Up until the withdrawal of the item from Thursday night’s agenda, the council was scheduled for at least the third time to consider the possibility of abandoning two streets in the West Village so they could be sold to a developer planning a big-box shopping center at the southwest corner of Ga. Highway 54 West and Planterra Way.

Just this past Tuesday afternoon, developer Doug McMurrain had unveiled a site plan for the shopping center that had the largest store at 42,000 square feet, which is still considered a big-box store under city ordinance. The other stores would include one at 28,000 feet and two at 25,000 feet, McMurrain said.

All told the shopping center would total about 172,000 to 175,000 square feet, which would also trigger the city’s big-box limit of 150,000 square feet for shopping centers.

That plan is now dead for this year.

McMurrain of Capital City Development said Tuesday he was courting an upscale grocery company for the larger building. Only about 20,000 square feet would be used for smaller shops, in part due to vacancies in the city’s current retail market and also a planned competitor just down the road inside Peachtree City, McMurrain said.

Until the item was removed from the agenda, the council was expected to consider voting only on the road abandonment issue and not the road sale during the meeting, which starts at 7 p.m. at City Hall.

Still, City Attorney Ted Meeker has said that should the city abandon Line Creek Drive and Line Creek Court, developer McMurrain could advance an argument in court that he should be allowed to purchase the property.

McMurrain, who initially sought to buy the roads to make room for a 95,000-square-foot Kohl’s Department Store, needed the roads at first because the city’s setback regulations wouldn’t allow for the Kohl’s footprint to fit on the site.

McMurrain later said all big-box proposals for the site were off the table, but he also said at a previous council meeting that some retailers desired by city residents, such as Whole Foods, don’t do any buildings smaller than big boxes.

McMurrain has offered to pay appraised value for the roads, which he thinks would equal roughly $700,000.

Should McMurrain proceed with the big-box proposal in the new year before a new council, Capital City would be the first company to go through the city’s new process for evaluating big-box stores, which replaced the city’s previous outright ban on such regional stores and shopping centers.

Under the new big-box ordinance, developers have to provide traffic studies and other facts to the City Council in an application, and the council ultimately votes whether to approve or deny the project.

A committee appointed by Mayor Harold Logsdon recently asked McMurrain to prepare a site plan that doesn’t include a large anchor tenant but assumes the roads would be abandoned. On that committee were council members Steve Boone and Cyndi Plunkett, Marty Mullin from the planning commission, citizens Lynda Wojcik and Tim Lydell and City Planner David Rast.

Unless council somehow places stipulations on the road abandonment or purchase, it is possible McMurrain could seek a special council approval for big box stores, defined under city ordinance as those larger than 32,000 square feet in size.

Numerous residents have spoken out against big box stores because they tend to have regional draws, creating traffic problems in addition to creating other issues.

The site is currently zoned commercial and is bordered to the east by Planterra Way.

McMurrain said recently that he needs to acquire the roads in order to be flexible with the site plan for the shopping center.

The development, McMurrain said, would include outdoor seating areas and raised crosswalks and fountains similar to the previous proposal for the site that included the Kohl’s Department Store. The plan also includes the same type of parking ratios, meeting the city’s minimum parking spaces with four spaces for each 1,000 square feet of retail space, McMurrain said.

McMurrain said the property’s potential name has been changed to “The Columns at Peachtree City,” in part because columns are one of the architectural features proposed for the development. — Reporting by John Munford. Story updated Dec. 5, 2007, 10 p.m.

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Submitted by johenry on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 1:36pm.

McBully says, "I might of, kind of, maybe have a potential tenant so let go of those streets." Why would anybody in their right mind trust this guy? How many times has he lied to us, three or four?

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Submitted by poipendicular on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 12:30pm.

Because of McMurrain's previous actions and most of the residents reactions. I feel that the roads should not be abandoned or sold to him, UNLESS, there is solid proof in writing from an interested business. The size of the building requested and the type of business. I am not against growth in town. I believe in growth that is needed. Another Kohl's would not be a positive addition. Why would it be when there is one 12 miles in either direction? A decent grocery store, whether it be private or mass chain would be appreciated. There would be more competition for the three chains we have, more choices and perhaps better pricing.

Does someone have the answer on why Publix stores are on the edges of our town, versus Kroger in town, and with cart paths? I wonder if there was an agreement with Kroger, and this would hamper another grocery chain in town. We already know that Whole Foods will not come to Peachtree City. This has been discussed many times. We do not have the density, nor the through traffic to accommodate them. Every time McMurrain mentions Whole Foods, he's trying to distract us. There is no plan, no contract, no intent. Trying to sell us on an idea. I don't trust him. If he was able to buy the roads, what would he put there? Anything is a possibility after he owns the roads. Do not sell to him at any cost. It would be best if he put that property back on the market. Salvage what he can out of it, and let another developer sell us their lies, and we can sift through all the liars until we find a proposal that fits our town.


Submitted by abaldwin on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 11:11am.

There is no reason to consider the road abandonment at this time given the proposal from Mr. McMurrain. He said himself that big boxes were off the table and yet he is proposing one. The recent election demonstrated loud and clear how we as the citizens feel. I hope the current lame duck council respects that. I assume they will since they ran on their commitment to the citizens.

This guy has demonstrated in public and in private that he cannot be trusted. We must have complete legal documentation that is enforceable for anything we do with him. Even a desirable big box creates a problem for us if they go under. Other posts say that this is a problem with either large or small stores - true but the problem of finding a smaller renter is much much smaller and variety is greater. Coweta has declared they will prostitute themselves to anyone so we will have shopping close without destroying our community.

Hold firm.

Submitted by Jersey Girl on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 10:07am.

I would be all for another Big Box IF the developer can prove he is, without a doubt, under contract with Whole Foods or Trader Joe's. It would be a breath of fresh air to see something new around here!

As far as the comment made regarding a upscale grocery store moving out if things don't work out, you don't have to be a big box to have that same threat. It could happen at any size. Just look at the KMart shopping center! Over half of those stores are now empty. Or look at the Macaroni Grill or Buckhead Brewery - both closed down very quickly.

And to the person who commented about the traffic and parking impact that a big box would bring - it doesn't matter the size of the store. If the merchants are desirable, the cars and traffic will be there. Just look at The Avenue! No Big Box, but as many, or more, cars than any other parking area around here - and a complete nightmare getting out of the place!

I say, if we can have a store that is different than any other store in the area and can benefit a lot of people - natural foods and good inexpensive wines are the trends these days - then bring it on!

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Submitted by yellowjax1212 on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 1:32pm.

Open minded, forward thinking?????????
We did this person come from?
She must be banned from this blog site forever.


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Submitted by gratefuldoc on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 2:46pm.

HE comes from Fayetteville (6 years) get used to it brahh.....hopefully some more forward thinking and yes, as you said, open minded people will help spring this area from the stone ages and the pervasive closed-mindedness.

"once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right"


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Submitted by yellowjax1212 on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 4:09pm.

Please see the sarcasim intended in my response.
I have been begging, no plesding for some level-headed and open-minded bloggers on this site and jersey Girl (or guy) is very welcome.


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Submitted by gratefuldoc on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 4:56pm.

Sorry for misinterpreting, and thanks.

"once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right"


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Submitted by gratefuldoc on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 12:23pm.

It's good to see some forward thinking people around here with good taste. Where ya from in Jersey?

"once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right"


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Submitted by jpopeye on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 9:16am.

We need to responsibly choose the correct balance between restrictions and generating revenue. I am concerned that being too restrictive will allow communities around us to outpace PTC and our lack of revenue will turn the town into something second rate. Of course, we all dislike unrestricted growth. It seems to me that we need to set up a city tax code that makes shopping centers expensive to build while attracting more industry we can live with. Fighting off expansion of commercial propositions based on what the developer wants to put up is elitist and short-sighted. For example, a Whole Foods might be agreeable to enough people now but the future success of this type of business is not guaranteed. Once the business decides to pull out you have a new dynamic which would encourage PTC to accept anything to avoid a vacant commercial area.


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Submitted by yellowjax1212 on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 1:30pm.

Being too restrictive will not only slow down the growth (which is not necessarily a bad thing) but it will greatly hamper our abilty to attract the good growth that would benefit PTC.
Unfortunately, we just elected two people who throw around the moratorium word and want our development plans etched into stone and backed up by laws.
I hope that I am wrong but I am afraid that the pendulum is oging to swing too far in the opposite direction.


Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 12/04/2007 - 9:56pm.

First of all you knew how big the property was when you bought it. Sorry you made a buisness decision you can't live with.

You knew you could not fit one of your ugly, trashy, crime attracting big boxes on it, but you bought it anyway. You thought you could BULLY us little schmucks around. No doubt harold was an easy sell.

Show us a signed contract with Trader Joes, or Whole Foods and then we might have a deal. If you don't have a contract with any company that is agreeable to us, go away. There are many reputable developers with great contacts that would buy that white elephant from you.

They have plenty of water in the southwest of Washington state, might be a good place to ruin.....ooooppppsss...I mean develop.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 12/04/2007 - 7:39pm.

"There will NOT be a BIG BOX."

"I CAN'T create a plan."

Those are the words said by Mr. McMurrain not one month ago to all in attendance at the city council meeting.

Remember the old Alka-Seltzer commercial, "Try it you'll like it. Thought I was going to die." Plop, plop, fizz, fizz.

I appears that Mr. McMurrain is trying to "plop" on us again.

Rocket science is not required to figure out that if the city abandons the streets McMurrain will take us to court if we don't sell them to him.

I have to ask the outgoing council members one thing. Do you really want this to be you last act while in office? The one everyone will remember you by. If it is, then I hope you have no aspirations for future elected public service in our community.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 12/04/2007 - 6:25pm.

I wonder what they are talking about. I know another development is underway just West of this site that doesn't go above the "big box" triggers. Maybe a Trader Joes? Anybody have any insight?

Submitted by Jones on Tue, 12/04/2007 - 6:31pm.

I think he's bluffing again personally. How many times has this guy lied to us?

If you go look at the Trader Joes and Whole Foods data on their websites, I think you'll agree we don't have a large enough population base. Remember when Harry's in a Hurry left the Avenues because sales were so low? And that was a much smaller store.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 12/04/2007 - 6:56pm.

The article references a "competitor" that will be inside of PTC City Limits. Trader Joes is looking, I know that. They do not require the density of people that Whole Foods does. TJ will be somewhere between PTC and Newnan, possibly in one or the other.

The Harry's in a Hurry is a different animal, the entire area has grown since then, and Harry's closed a bunch of stores due to financial problems at the time.

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Submitted by John Munford on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 11:31am.

He was referring to the shopping center going in on the site of the former Days Inn on 54, just before Line Creek, called Shoppes at Village Piazza.

I haven't been out that way in a while but I hear they're under construction.

Those stores will be smaller shops ala The Avenue from what I hear. McMurrrain also noted he has vacancies in his new smaller stores on Hwy. 54 West between Planterra Way and MacDuff Parkway.


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Submitted by yardman5508 on Wed, 12/05/2007 - 12:37pm.

if you can't fill the stores on one side of the street, just build a few more on the other side of the street. Or am I really living in a parallel universe? Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.


Submitted by timwill01 on Tue, 12/04/2007 - 6:13pm.

Well I don't think that a Whole Foods would be that bad. ONLY I bet it wouldn't be something like that. It would be some other crappy store like a Kohls. UGGH! Glad that dumpster wont be in my town. But yeah I would love a Whole foods.

Submitted by Jones on Tue, 12/04/2007 - 5:58pm.

Isn't this the same guy who said he's not building a big box store on the site? The developer doesn't have a tenant confirmed, so how can we trust this guy?

Am I crazy or wouldn't a large grocery store draw a bunch of traffic to Highway 54? If you don't believe me, go look at the Publix, Kroger and Wal-Mart parking lots throughout the day.

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