Commuter rail still on track for PTC, Senoia?

Tue, 12/04/2007 - 4:51pm
By: John Munford

State transit officials are proposing a commuter rail program that would provide daily passenger service to Atlanta for residents in Senoia, Peachtree City and Union City.

The rail line, which likely would operate during commuter hours only, would provide service directly to downtown Atlanta and Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport.

Because the goal is for the commuter rail service to be fast and reliable, there would be much fewer stops than other rail-oriented mass transit options, said William Mecke, spokesperson for the state’s Transportation Planning Board.

It’s possible that in addition to the lift, commuters on the rail might also get fringe benefits such as comfortable seats and WiFi access.

The rail proposal for the southside is just part of a multi-faceted plan to get people out of cars and traffic jams throughout the metro region. There’s no way to tell how soon a Peachtree City-Senoia-Union City line could come to fruition, as the transit projects proposed by TPB haven’t been prioritized yet.

Because the commuter rail will use existing rail lines, the southside commuter rail will depend on whether officials can negotiate agreements with railroads. CSX railroad owns the main line running through Peachtree City, a busy freight-hauling route.

The TPB is seeking public comment on its overall proposal, dubbed “Concept 3.” To review the plan’s details and provide comments, visit www.tpb.ga.gov.

Fayette County Commission Chairman Jack Smith serves on the TPB along with other county commission chairmen from metro Atlanta, all of whom were appointed by Gov. Sonny Perdue.

Commuters in Fayette don’t have any significant transit options currently. In spring 2003 the Fayette County Commission turned down a request from the Georgia Regional Transportation Authority to start a regional express bus service here. The cost to the county was pegged at $1.2 million to pick up costs of the bus system, and GRTA offered the county in return between $12-14 million for road projects if they agreed to start the service.

At the time, several commissioners cited a public resistance among Fayette residents to mass transit. But as commutes grow longer and residents in Senoia and Peachtree City continue to experience lengthy waits to get onto Interstate 85 via Ga. Highway 74, some attitudes might be changing.

Although Peachtree City’s residential growth has slowed, communities in Coweta which use I-85 continue to grow, as does Senoia, which in turn puts further stresses on Ga. Highway 74. Also part of the logjam at I-85 and Hwy. 74 are the numerous tractor-trailers serving the Oakley Industrial Boulevard area.

Some Fayette commuters have joined together in van pools, which typically involve paying fares and arriving at pre-arranged pickup sites on time. Usually van pools go to one specific street in metro Atlanta, meaning that all participants on one van are heading to the same area.

An online van pool finder this week listed 14 different such van pools originating in Fayette County.

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Submitted by tikigod on Thu, 12/06/2007 - 11:15pm.

Commuter rail, MARTA (heavy rail), and systems like the proposed beltline (light rail) are all completely different. I would never support a heavy/light rail system to be extended down to FayCo(its not viable anyways).

Commuter rail:
-does not run all day, its hours are limited to rush hour, so probably a total of 8 hours a day, 4 in each direction.
- normally trains only travel in the direction of rush hour traffic, inbound in the morning, outbound at night
-is not intended for pedestrian use, you need a vehicle to get to the station
-has MUCH HIGHER fares than a system like MARTA, it is based on distance, so a place like PTC would be close to $10 roundtrip, maybe more

The fact of the matter is, building more roads is nothing but a short sighted solution. Those roads will fill up and the only way to add capacity is to add more lanes (expensive). When a commuter line gets to capacity, they just add another train. And don't forget, the tracks are already there.

A well planned commuter system would, in places like PTC, only be accessible by vehicle. So if some homeless guy, who probably cant afford to ride it, comes down to PTC, there wont be anywhere to go. The station should have extremely limited access so to make sure all points of exit/entry are well monitored. Don't put it next to a shopping center, put it in the middle of nowhere.

The most important factor is a well planned system. Atlanta's rail system should be a custom fit. Each station should be designed with the surrounding area in mind. Remember, commuter rail is not anything like MARTA.

Submitted by Roadrunner on Thu, 12/06/2007 - 2:41pm.

Why did you move to PTC in the first place? If you want to live on a rail line all you have to do is move to one of various locations in Dekalb and Fulton County and you can have your wish. Don't want to live in most of those neighborhoods? NEITHER DO I!! While I was in college my mother lived in a very nice/affluent neighborhood between Clarkston & Stone Mountain. This was the time the east/west Marta rail system was first brought to Dekalf first inside, now outside the perimeter. Crime went up immediately once this line was built. Don't believe me? I invite you to take a stroll down Ponce De Leon Ave any time of the day... Trains don't invite criminals you say? The family of a murdered Lenox Richs store detective would disagree. Within weeks of opening the adjacent rail station, he was killed when confronting a robber in a back store room. Where did the robber escape to? You guessed it, he was seen boarding the Marta train heading south towards downtown. Just like the people who want to bring urban sprawl and all its issues to PTC don't understand, so do the people who think mass transit is only a good thing. There's plenty of proof in Dekalb & north Fulton county that will show otherwise. People, open up your eyes before its too late.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 12/06/2007 - 7:05pm.

I moved to PTC over 20 years ago. I moved here because of the schools and I liked the country feel PTC offered.

Fayette County has gone from around 40,000 people in 1985 to over 90,000 in 2000.

The Atlanta metro area has gone from around 2.5 million people in 1985 to a little over 4 million people in 2000 with little or no infrastructure improvements.

Don’t hold your breath for the roads to double capacity any time soon. The last time I checked Georgia was a tad over $12 Billion short on it’s budget for needed traffic improvements.

My commute is only 32 miles and I leave at 5:00 AM and I could be at work in 35-40 minutes. My biggest problem was a deer crossing the road. Now it takes me an hour and my biggest problem is the traffic.

As to your comment, “he was seen boarding the Marta train”, we’re not talking about MARTA anything. What the article is telling you about is a lite-rail “COMMUTER” system. It’s NOT the MARTA subway system. Currently the Atlanta metro area doesn’t have any lite-rail systems in operation. Hopefully the two will be tied into one another.

Wouldn’t it be great if you could have a job in Alpharetta and live in PTC?

That’s one of the drawbacks to PTC is that there aren’t any jobs here that pay employees what it costs to live here. MA large of our Police, EMS personnel and teachers can’t afford to live here. If the pay in PTC was so great I wouldn’t be stuck in traffic trying to get from PTC to Atlanta and back everyday.

As far as your perceived crime issue, I would invite you to read the article titled, “6 still at large for gun store break-in; video shows burglars' hit on store” In that article you will read “After using a stolen truck”. Nowhere does it mention that the thieves took the “lite-rail commuter train” from or to anywhere. Had they done so, they would have been caught by now.

You’re just going to have to get used to the fact that PTC ain’t your aunt’s farm in Kansas anymore.

P.S. It's ironic that your blog name is "Roadrunner" as you can't do anything like that on our highways anymore.


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Submitted by McGannahan Skje... on Thu, 12/06/2007 - 4:01pm.

Maybe it's just another one of those inexplicable southern things but.....that mentality is why we're in such a transportation mess nightmare around here. Look at most of all the major metro areas around the country and especially in the North. All of the most affluent, most desirable suburbs have some sort of mass transit in or around the town.....most have both train service and bus service into the city. That is why educated, intelligent, prosperous and wealthy people desire to live there. If they don't already have major business located within their town they want to have a sensible way to get to and from their place of employment. I spent many a day on the bus and train into and out of work. I was able to sit back and relax for the most part, read the paper, have something to eat, read or get work accomplished all while also having the opportunity top converse with other commuters if I so desired. It's just how it's done in most places and you get cars off the roads and pollution/smog out of the air. And by ther way, how often will a criminal hop on the bus or train, get off, rob you, your home or business and then get back on the bus or train? Ask some people from areas where there is a mass transit system to speak of that question and they'll look at you like you've three heads.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 12/06/2007 - 3:56pm.

An absence of public transit keeps the "riff raff" out of Fayette County. Now who would have thought that? LOL
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Submitted by Concerned Party on Thu, 12/06/2007 - 12:49pm.

It would be great to jump on a train and end up downtown to work. However, do we want everyone downtown with no car and a buck seventy five getting off at the PTC station and wandering around? This is like the TDK road extension that was supposed to relieve PTC traffic. No one mentioned the traffic coming from the other direction?

Submitted by lion on Thu, 12/06/2007 - 4:26pm.

It is sad to see the same old insular--and largely racist fears---come up every time some type of mass transit is proposed for Fayette County. Hopefully the days of such objections to commuter rail are almost past. This is the 21st Century and PTC is part of the larger Atlanta metropolitan area. If you did not want be part of the Atlanta area I suggest you should have moved further south.

Mass transit does not bring more crime it brings more commuting options to PTC and other Fayette County residents.

Submitted by Bonkers on Thu, 12/06/2007 - 2:35pm.

I never thought of that!~ I just assumed that the train would come here, pick us up, take us to Atlanta, and then bring us home in the evening, or morning if we worked nights!
You mean some in Atlanta can ride it here from there, also?
What is the world coming to?

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 12/06/2007 - 2:16pm.

If your concerned about "undesirables" coming to PTC and rob you house they would look a little suspicious waiting for the train holding your TV don't ya think?

Where has it been a problem before?


Submitted by Bonkers on Thu, 12/06/2007 - 2:39pm.

You house, huh! I don't know what a "your concerned" is.
The big problem is that they would come here to work and take all the good jobs! You wouldn't be able to buy a job running an office, owning a restaurant, or developing homes!

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 12/04/2007 - 10:44pm.

There is simply no other way to increase the ease of commuting from Fayette County to Atlanta.

Adding four more lanes to Hwy. 74 and building another ramp at I-85 will never happen and would cost 100's of millions if it did.

Now all we have to do is convert some of the unused, for lease space in the Industrial area into low maintenance, high security commuter parking.

Gosh, I think I just had a Deja vu moment.


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