You say this about Richard Hobbs:

"I too, know you, like you and have been in your home. I apologize that I do not respect most lawyers and judges because I have found many to be dishonorable. I do believe you to be honorable."

Richard (formerly known as Dick) and I started out on the wrong foot months ago, but I will take your word. The hatchet is permanently burried.

Kevin "Hack" King

That stuck that note on my butt that says.... KICK THIS IF YOU CAN

It's a good thing that I'm pretty quick on my feet and that I have the ability to not take myself as seriously as some folks do.

from their blogs who do you think faux_paws is?

You see, bat_ptc, you and Git Real and a few others know me, but I'm blind as to who you are. You've now exposed your identity as to being a parent to one of the children that have slept over at my home, that would probably include over 100. These kids do it so regularly, that I get exhausted with them all. In fact, my daughter is spending the night with one of her friends, this very night, which rarely occurs.

As to the senate rules, I'd say sign me up, but more importantly, I'd eliminate the 17th Amendment, see this website for information.
http://www.articlev.com/repeal17.htm

Muddle,

You mention the "reputation" that your screen name now has and how you want to protect that. Well, therein lies one of my criticisms.
I've read many of your posts, and I have found them to be intellectually stimulating. In fact, many were controversial, and I enjoyed those immensely.

The problem that I have with these screen names is that to be honest, I do not recall what your comments were. I've not internalized each person's ideology online because I guess, I just never remember your names. We have BadPTC and GoodPTC and Muddle and mudcat, and the list goes on and on and on. I get you all so very confused. Perhaps if I frequented this blog more often, but then, I'd never get any work done.

But I do remember JeffC's comments, Git Real's screen name to some extent is almost like a name, so I recall his, but I confuse the many other comments. I honestly don't recall who said what about anything, unless a name is linked with the comments.

So for all practical purposes, your noteworthy comments, are often attributed to some other bloggers whose name I either never note nor contemplate.

As to Hack, well his moniker fits him, and of course his icon of him sitting in a warthog, is memorable. So I've internalized his idealogy and I know what and where he is coming from. (Which is often from the bottom of a glass of guiness while he's reading his signed copy of the "Communist Manifesto". . . .BTW: Hack, your earlier apology is accepted. Now pick a fight with my idealogy, and not with the use of
juvenile euphenisms regarding my name.)

Again, screen names have a purpose, but anonymity diminishes the weight of the message. One reason I've liked Steve Brown was that he put his name out there for all to see. One reason I don't like Steve Brown is that he puts it all out there for all to see. Someone needs to tell him that sometimes more is less and less is more, but I bet someone has tried on more than one occaision to get him to proof read his tomes, before he sends his letters into the editor.

Anyway, that was my weekend arsenal of thoughts, wits and criticisms. Now to get some real work done around here. Like putting up the Xmas lghts. . . Argh!

I agree with Richard Hobbs to an extent. It is difficult to keep track of all the different "PTC" names on these blogs and last month's influx of TyroneThis and TyroneThat posters was positively confusing. I am embarrassed to admit I was getting ready recently to flame muddle for hypocrisy when I realized at the last moment that I'd attributed a mudcat post to muddle.

Nonetheless, it's difficult to keep all the "real" names straight as well. I continually get Richard Hobbs and Robert Morgan mixed up, since they are both idealogical demogauges (or would that be "demogauging idealogues?). These bush-league version of Anne Coulter and Michelle Malkin are difficult to keep straight.

That's nice company to be in. I appreciate the compliment.

I checked the schedule and it is Git's turn to be Steve tonight.

and candidates that are relevant, the fact that actual names are missing is not that big a deal. It is when character assassination, innuendo, and slander become common place that hiding behind a handle becomes dastardly. For me, it is not about spreading rumors but about discussing issues. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

character assignation is not solely the domain of the anonymous.

Now even his friends are bailing out of Jimmy's maniacal world view regarding his ignorance over the Middle East.

I have not read, nor will I read his book. I know of Jimmy Carter's penchants for lies and half truths to know enough that I can never expect anything that he might write to be meritorious of my time.

Although I support the argument that Richard has the right to say what he feels, signing one's name to a mean and spiteful note contributes nothing to its validity.

I absolutely see how Jimmy Carter naturally fits into this blog on Git Real's anonymity. As a matter of fact, I was thinking myself, "Self, this is a great place to bring up Jimmy Carter." I can't believe you beat me to it. Anwar Saddat was a close second followed by Svignew Brejeszki. One-upped again!!!

Kevin "Hack" King

I didn't see that you were taking Richard to task and not me.

Sorry if I misread your intent.

I've had notes left on my car. I've had tobacco spit on my door handle. I've been keyed. And all because I have the nerve to express an opiinion contrary to the red state Georgia mind set. I have a DOD (department of defense) sticker on the front of my car, an American flag back left, and a "W worst Ever" on the back right. The "worst ever" is absolutely my honest opinion that W is the worst president to serve this nation in my lifetime. For that, my property has been vandilized by who I imagine are republicans. I actually had a soccer mom (I hope she reads this) try to physically pull the "Veterans for Kerry" botton off of my sweater in 2004. She pulled it as hard as she could until I grabbed her hand. For some on each side of the isle, there is an irrational hatred and anger of the opposite party. We happen to live in the republican version of that animosity. But, seeing as I love conflict, I'll stay out in the open to take bullets for expressing unpopular opinions here locally. I wouldn't expect anyone else to though. I've found that wives don't appreciate the added attention.

Kevin "Hack" King

I'll stay out in the open to take bullets for expressing unpopular opinions here locally.

The keyword here is LOCALLY. It is phenomenal that there are still a few people who are proud that they voted for the Bush administration. . in Fayetteville. . NOT THE REST OF THE COUNTRY - and still proudly support a total disregard for the concept of "budget': a failure in so many areas of leadership - that the failures are too painful to recall; the loss and maiming of America's finest. . .and a continuation of failed attempts at bringing peace to the middle east.. .through military force alone. The current diplomatic attempts are 'too little' and unfortunately - 'too late'.

I admire many of my friends for their loyalty to the Republican Party. I heard a lady in the grocery store state that she would never, ever vote for a Democrat. When she left, the gentleman who was bagging my groceries (he appeared to be a retired gentleman) stated that when he looks at the price of gas; the cost of living; and compares that with the years previous to the Bush Administration - he's going to do some serious thinking when he enters the voting booth in November '08.
I think some of the 'locals' are waking up. In years past - there were people called 'moderates'. They embraced conservative and progressive values - those values that they thought would demonstrate the meaning of democracy as delineated in our Constitution. I pray for the return of the 'moderates' to both parties - and let's heal the division that exists in our country today. This division is diminishing the United States - and giving strength to the goals of the terrorists of the world - whatever they're called.

To add a couple of my experiences: One morning while driving home from taking my children to school, I had a crazy woman try to run me off Hwy. 54 (E. in Fayetteville) and flip me the one-finger salute while she screamed obscenities at me - all for exercising my right to support the candidate of MY choice by having a magnet on my back bumper for Edwards/Kerry.

This still happens: When I go vote, it never fails for the geriatric poll workers to push a "Republican" registration form at me, only for me to smile and reach for the "other form."

It is called "If Democrats had any brains they would be Republicans". It only takes a couple of chapters for even the dumbest Dem to understand why achievement-oriented people (yes Republicans for the most part) are tired of and sometimes angry with the all inclusive Democrat Party which celebrates abortion, homosexuality and aetheism for the sole purpose of pandering for enough votes to increase income redistribution (welfare) and socializing medicine and anything else they can think of with their little pea brains.

When and if you grow up and become a productive member of society, you will be happy your Kerry/Edwards magnet can be easily removed as opposed to a bumper sticker which forever brands you and your car as a loser.

The boards were slowing down and getting a bit repetitive, but just then, a man bleeding from the mouth as he driveled limping logic brought life to these shark infested waters. I see that there is but a tattered carcass left as daisy and Sniffles beat me to the kill, but allow me, if I might, to pick your bones.
"achievement-oriented people (yes Republicans for the most part)"
What have we achieved in Iraq, being that we were "oriented" towards a greeting of flowers for a war that would pay for itself in Iraqi oil? I'd say our GOP formulated "achievements" are 180 degrees out and costing us to the tune of about $1.5 trillion by the time the dust settles (according to the latest congressional estimate).
Big "achievements" in immigration reform? Nope. SS reform? Nope? enacting 9/11 commission recommendations? Stupid democrats did that. Raising the minimum wage to pace with inflation (like GOP congressmen ensured their wages grew)? Democrats again.
How is the original "front line of the war on terror" doing? That's called Afghanistan. If you pull your nose out of the anti-Semitic Ann's book enough to glean actual information you can use, the Afghanistan conflict is regressing. That means it's moving backwards. I wonder how it would have gone if the current executives had not developed Al Qaeda A.D.D. and kept our troops concentrated in Afghanistan. I imagine there would be fewer poppy seeds to finance the Taliban and al Qaeda today.
So as us democrats continue celebrating the Vice President's daughter, Larry Craig, Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, and all of the closeted homosexuals that you detest so much, the world will continue to pass you blind ideologs by as it just has in Australia. That is another political situation you may not here much about from Ann.
I encourage you to reply to any of the three of us wimpy democrats, but at least bring an argument that holds water.
Kevin "Hack" King

Your snarky sense of humor is a bright spot in all this political back-and-forth:

"a man bleeding from the mouth as he driveled limping logic brought life to these shark infested waters. I see that there is but a tattered carcass left as daisy and Sniffles beat me to the kill, but allow me, if I might, to pick your bones."

Thanks for the for giggle and for always "fighting the good fight"!

I noticed the only “achievements” you listed by the dems were a higher minimum wage mandate and 9-11 commission recommendations. Wow! And to think they did all that in just one year after winning control of both houses.

As far as Australia goes, I think they just liked the bigger tax cut that Rudd has proposed over Howard’s. Who can blame ‘em? And how about those Frenchies electing a pro-American?

Sorry I missed your coffee. That might have been fun. And you're right about one thing - the boards have been slow. I just can't get in to all the local stuff.

Maximus

coffee meetings, that is.

But, brother, with respect to "mud slinging true to form", how would you have answered this:

"It only takes a couple of chapters for even the dumbest Dem to understand why achievement-oriented people (yes Republicans for the most part) are tired of and sometimes angry with the all inclusive Democrat Party which celebrates abortion, homosexuality and aetheism for the sole purpose of pandering..."

Kevin "Hack" King

ps: Inacting 9/11 commission recommendations after Rs had congress from 9/11 to 06 was not significant enough for you? Okay...

I apoligize in advance for this next blog post!!!!

"dumbest Dem"... "celebrates abortion".... "little pea brains"... "when and if you grow up"...

Robert Morgan adds so much value to these blogs with his insightful commentary.

Morgan's comments provide keen insights into the workings of the typical Republican mind.

Sorry to hear you do, though. The female who tried to run me off the road and flipped me off - is she related to you? I ask because you sound like all Rep. believe the same thing (they don't) and all Dem. believe the same thing (I know I don't agree nor believe everything every Dem. states). I can make my own decisions and think for myself.

FYI: I am grown, and a very productive member of society who will be supporting you if you make it to the Golden Number to retire and receive SS & Medicare. But if you feel so strongly about those senior entitlements being a Dem. thing, then by all means, please don't accept them.

If you noticed, I put Edwards before Kerry in my initial post. I am a supporter of him, and voted for the ticket he was a part of at the time. I don't just throw my blind support to a candidate due to the letter in parenthesis after their name. To tie another of your posts in here, Edwards is a lawyer, too. Does that mean he'll be better just from that fact, than whoever he runs against?

As far as my being happy I'm not forever branded a "loser" for my political leaning, I don't think you can say that since you sound like you drink the Rep. Koolaid. If I were you, I would feel like a loser if I knew my support is for an administration who is responsible for the loss of thousands of lives, US & foreign military, plus innocent civilian lives; not to mention the WMD fiasco/lies; and on and on and on, etc. So, your "W" sticker makes you feel like a winner? Bless your heart, have a wonderful day, and try to appreciate the beautiful rain.

“I am grown, and a very productive member of society who will be supporting you if you make it to the Golden Number to retire and receive SS & Medicare.”

Spoken like a true socialist, Daisy. You think that without the federal government no one would be able to afford retirement. If I get anything from ss it will be little more than beer money.

“But if you feel so strongly about those senior entitlements being a Dem. thing, then by all means, please don't accept them.”

I’m in my forties and if they would let me out of the system now they could keep the obscene amount of money they’ve forced out of me over the last 30 years. Otherwise, you’ll be payin’ – but I doubt you pay much or you wouldn’t think it was such a great deal. Do you have any idea of the cost/return of that idiotic system? Do you know how much is in the ss "trust fund"?

Did it work?

I don't understand your question. The paragraphs in italics were from Daisy's post. Is that what you're asking?

I was just trying to see if I could close them. Thought I found the source. Twas just an experimenting and it didn't work. But, Bad came to the rescue.

Now to go decipher his instructions. LOL!

When I'm using mozilla the cites show correctly even if they're not closed properly (like I was doing) but in IE they have to be closed or everything following the opening cite is in italics. I'll have to remember to close them from now on.

Just when you think your starting to understand these silly ole computers and their programs......

Dog gone it.

to see that there were four cite tags that were left open.

How in the world do I do that? Edumacate me my confuser expert friend.

Perty Please....

With IE, click on the "View" nd then "Source".

It will bring up the source code for the WEB page in notepad, that's my default app. for such things.

If you copy a special word out of the blog your looking for like "Edumacate" and then tell notepad to "Find" that word you can see where the cite tag is.

Your post really looks like this: (substituted the greater and less than signs with percent characters)

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I didn't know I could write like Dollar.

I pasted a shortcut on my desktop for future reference. I'll practice on it. Thanks. Please tell me that didn't cost me $125 bucks an hour.

I read an occasional Coulter blast in the paper, but never a book!
Pea brains is correct, but they are mostly greedy, selfish people---not democrats!
May we distribute just some of your income---not the part you spend on Coulter books, the rest of it?
Isn't there enough peonage here for you yet?

Your problems with idiots as you enumerated above is surely a good reason to stay unknown on here.
Those who are ticked that some of us can call attention to dastardly things without getting our vehicles spat upon or our signs ripped, or our homes vandalized, simply don't want us to criticize the ruling party and other important things here in Fayette County.
We would be free to talk badly about Kerry, Clinton, Giuliani (oops),
The Speaker of the House, The Senate Leader, Zell Miller (oops), and others without recrimination!
By the way, what is the plan in February when the lakes are dry? Are we paying for the Tennis Center? What is the balance? When will the new cart path bridge at West side rust down? Who will build the bridge on McDuff over the railroad on 74 North now? How is the TDK bridge going? How is the McIntosh City going?
Just how many houses will the Chinese build on their Industrial property? Will they rent the Condos eventually? Will they have their own rice stores? If we use less water will our water bills go down? What will the town do for water income? What are the plans?
Is there a good chance the power will go off, like Iraq, when the water power generators go down?
I couldn't ask those things (although I never get an answer) if you knew my address!
I might pour wine on your shoes and get arrested at the Amphitheater!

Maybe the reaction to your "W Worst Ever" sticker is not from republicans but from people whose favorite letter is "W."

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Let it be known there is a fountain
That was not made by the hands of man.

Kevin "Hack" King

I drive around with a very prominent "PROUD DEMOCRAT" on my Jeep. It is time for ALL of us to put the animosity of partisanship on hold and work for the good of all. Differences of opinion are to be expected and, in fact, encouraged. Then through discussion, deliberation, and consensus building we can arrive at policy. That is the way the Founding Fathers envisioned a republic working and that is what I, for one, am trying to re-establish. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

What has a democrat ever done since JFK or FDR that could possibly make you proud? Maybe you could start by praising the democrats and their leadership of the House and Senate. Pelosi and Reed - they make you proud? Or is it the fine bunch of Presidential candidates the dems have put forth?

Whatever it is that you are proud of - just let us know. See if you answer without dragging George Bush into it.

I am very proud of the fact that the Democratic Party has had nothing to do with turning PTC into what it has become. I am proud of the fact that the voters of Fayette County actually have somewhere to turn when they become upset with the way things are going with local government. I am proud of the fact that there is some place for those who believe that the Constitution actually should create a government "of, by, and for the people. You should be cautious in equating a "Proud Democrat" with someone who automatically supports everything that happens in this country under the BIG umbrella of the Democratic Party. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

I am very proud of the fact that the Democratic Party has had nothing to do with turning PTC into what it has become.

So what your saying is that you're "very proud" of the fact that the Democratic party had 'everything' to do with the way Riverdale, Lithonia, Clayton County and others turned out?

this is what is so difficult about having an intelligent discussion in this medium. I don't believe that I mentioned Riverdale, Lithonia, or Clayton County in my previous statement. There is a very good reason for that. I am a resident of Fayette County and have no control over what happens in those other locations. I can only affect what happens around me, to some degree. By diverting the discussion away from the fact that the Republicans in Fayette County have botched the recent doings in Peachtree City, you can pretend it really didn't happen. Nice trick. Let's stick to the point, shall we? Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Isn't it the influx of Democrats that is creating the 'New' PTC?

That was a low one.
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But to pretend like the Dem's have it together is laughable.

I also never claimed that the Democrats "have it all together". I only believe that the Democratic Party in Fayette County is much more in touch with the concerns of the people of Fayette County. Take time to view their platform before you cast such a wide net. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

The only thing is that I'm about 1,000 feet into the 77 District that puts me with Rep. Jordan. He hasn't done much for this part of Fayette County. Jordan is most in tune and in touch with his constitutes in Clayton County. He and Abdul-Salaam make a nice pair.
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it is a difficult situation when a representative has a vast majority of his/her district in one county and a small part in another. As citizens, then, it is our duty to make our voices and needs heard. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Then why did the Democrats create this "difficult situation"?

as you are, no doubt, aware, it is the State Legislature that created the "difficult situation" (ie the district lines), not the Democratic Party. Now, while it may seem alien to you, here is your first lesson in how a truly representative party operates. Unlike the opposition, the Democratic Party is much less autocratic. As a party, we can support one of our candidates in the general election, but are prohibited (through our bylaws) of supporting one candidate in a primary in which two or more Democrats are running for the same office (ex. Clinton/Obama/Edwards/etc). We depend on the voters to make the choice most suitable for their needs. Now, if the voters make what might appear to be the wrong decision (and I stress the word IF, since arguably can that ever happen?), then we, as a party, have not done an adequate job of educating them on the issues and/or the candidates. It is up to the party to inform and give general direction to the party, it is up to the voters to choose candidates. The situation in the 77th is, indeed, an unfortunate one...unfortunate because the needs of the citizens of Fayette County may not, necessarily, be the needs of the citizens of Clayton County. The upcoming election for the 73rd might be interesting to watch, since the toxic spill in Fulton County has had serious ramifications in Fayette, thus creating such a situation. Hope this helps you. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Well this side of Fayette County got short-changed big time. I guess it's no worst than when Cynthia McKinney had that district that went form Dekalb to Savannah. Many people were a little upset over that.

As for the toxic spill in Fulton County and its political ramifications, how is it tied to the 73rd district - Yates? That’s farther south than the 72nd district. Aren’t you referring to the 66th District – Fludd?
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You are correct, of course. I apologize for the mixup. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

as you are, no doubt, aware, it is the State Legislature that created the "difficult situation" (ie the district lines), not the Democratic Party.

And wasn't it during the reign of the Dem's that Fayette County purposely got butchered up to benefit you?

Thanks so much for the $DollarADayAndFound$ answer. It's so funny that I can hold the party that is closer to my ideology accountable yet you guys consistently fail to be honorable at the same. If you were in power, I hardly think an improvement would be made.

Have a good day.

that the last reapportionment took place in 2002 or 2003 as a result of the 2000 census. Wasn't that right after the Democratic Party lost control of the State Legislature? I think it was. As for "it's so funny that I can hold the party that is closer to my ideology accountable yet you guys consistently fail to be honorable at the same(sic)", I am not sure exactly what you mean by that so I could not venture an answer. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

That these districts were set well before the last reapportionment to place.

I am not sure exactly what you mean by that so I could not venture an answer.

No doubt. (eyes rollin')

The 34th district of State Senate is a combination of Fayetteville through the north and east quadrant of Fayette county and also includes a portion of Clayton County through to Riverdale.
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Thanks for limiting your question to the recent past so that I would not have to review so many of the outstanding accomplishments of the Democratic Party.

Since JFK and FRD, a few of the major accomplishments of the Democrats include:

Creation of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration

The Peace Corps

Higher Education Act of 1965 which created the G.I. Bill

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 originated under the Kennedy administration and succeeded after Johnson managed it through a three-month filibuster in the Senate
Medicare

Panama Canal treaties

Normalization of relations with China

Camp David peace treaties between Egypt and Israel

Creation of the Education Department

Clean Water Act which was passed over President Reagan's Veto

Family and Medical Leave Act

Then more recently, after twelve years of Republican presidents, and with the US facing record budget deficits, Clinton and a Democratic Congress enacted an economic package that resulted in the longest period of economic expansion in peacetime history.

After having inherited a $290 billion deficit; President Clinton's last budget was over $200 billion in surplus in year 2000.

Reform of Welfare.

Under Reid and Pelosi’s tenure, the Democrats have:

Passed first minimum wage increase in a decade.

Passed the Wounded Warriors Bill to upgrade military health care.

Provided a 3.5% pay raise for our troops.

Passed the largest increase for Veterans Affairs funding in history.

Passed a bill to Implement 9/11 Commission Recommendations.

Passed Ethics and Lobbying Reform Bill.

Passed Energy Bill that increased fuel-efficiency standards for first time since 1975.

Tried twice to pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act but were obstructed by the Republicans.

Passed a bill to expand stem cell research which was vetoed by President Bush.

Tried to Pass Intelligence Authorization Act which would have authorized classified amounts in fiscal 2007 for U.S. intelligence activities and agencies including the CIA, the National Security Agency, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency and the Defense Intelligence Agency, however the Republicans obstructed it.

Yes, a record to be proud of for sure! Although truth be told, I am not that extremely pleased with the Reid/Pelosi accomplishments to date and look forward to the election when I anticipate the defeat of many Republicans now in office.

I hope this answers your question and that you will appreciated the fact that I did not drag President Bush into it nor did I mention the debacle in Iraq, the increase in the size of the Federal government by 29% during his term (not counting the military), the manipulation of intelligence, nor his and the Republican’s legacy of illegal wiretapping of US citizens, extraordinary rendition, suspension of Habeas Corpus, violations of the Geneva Conventions and support of torture.

I really thought that Democrats in office were going to be different!

Sailor got loan from lobbyist before key vote

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Barack Obama is the personification of a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Or do you have a research staff? Most of what you mention was passed by both Republicans and Democrats and 2 Indies in a Dem controlled House and a divided Senate.

My question involved leadership - as in "Who brought all these wonderful programs up for a vote?" Nancy? Harry? Uncle Ted? Authors of the bills would be the real answer. If you check it out you will find that most of what you give the Dems credit for will be bi-partisan sponsored bills.

The question remains - what do the Dems have a right to be proud of? Having a law passed born of a mixed marraige of Dems and Republicans is not something to claim as your own. Again, what do you have to proud of?

That is your objection? That I responded at a certain time of day? That’s not a really strong refutation of my argument. However, I would be interested in which of the programs and bills I cited you wish the Republicans could claim credit for?

Frankly, I am not 100% pleased with the Democrats, which is why I support stem-cell research so that maybe we can grow spines to put into some of them. But to the extent that they have supported the policies, I’m proud that some of them have not caved into the terrorist and revoked the Bill of Rights in their support of the Patriot Act. I’m proud that some of them have not abandoned the principles which made America great like the Republicans have. Things like torture which we used to be above, which used to separate us from them and which the Republicans have embraced with open arms. Things like not holding prisoners for years without trial which the Republicans have also embraced with open arms. Things like support for the Geneva Conventions which were written by the United States to protect our soldiers and which have been decreed “no longer applicable” by your party. Things like support of Habeas Corpus, the fundamental underpinning of our freedoms as guaranteed by the Constitution, which suddenly became inconvenient for the Republican administration and so was discarded in such a frivolous manner as to be infuriatingly insulting to the thousands of people who died to give us those rights. I’m proud that the Democrats have stood up, to the extent that they have, to the Republican administration’s use of extraordinary rendition where the administration, with your party’s wholehearted support, has sent prisoners to be tortured in foreign countries in violation of international law.

I have not been pleased with the Democrats, as I have repeatedly stated. In their defense though, they have managed to withstand part of the overwhelming tide of fear mongering generated by your party for the last several years in an effort to strip the American people of their rights in a craven capitulation to the terrorists by giving them what they could never hope to achieve through force or overt attacks against us. Rights which the Republican candidates not only wish to discard but who stand up in their debates to proudly proclaim which amongst them can lead us into a more domineering and forceful police state to the cheers of their adoring fans and sycophants.

I hope this answers your question about what I have to be proud of Mr. Morgan And since turnabout is fair play, I would like to ask you some questions just to clarify.

What accomplishments of the administration, which you so slavishly support, are you the most proud of? Is it the torture? The extraordinary renditions? The suspension of Habeas Corpus? The disregard of international law? The illegal wiretapping? The lies and distortions about weapons of mass destruction? The useless invasion of Iraq? The disregard of the Geneva Conventions?

If you had the chance to talk to Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison or Thomas Paine; which of these policies, which you and your party support with so much enthusiasm, would you hold up to them to show how you supported the principles upon which they founded the United States?

What makes you the proudest about being a Republican Mr. Morgan?

Surely you must have a favorite.

I have no quarrel with anything Carter said above, and there were other accomplishments worth mentioning---in spite of an unusual administration.
I don't think there is anything to worry about in 2008 however for President. Just look at the list and try to determine who on it except possibly McCain could even come close!
Even Obama or Kucinich could win if they could get nominated.
I am a little concerned however about a 66% majority in the Senate and House! That might look bad.

There are many, many , many proud accomplishments by democrats just this year. I'll highlight one near and dear to me:

PA. Democrat Jason Altmire has sponsored the "Veterans Guaranteed Bonus Act of 2007." Even Republican Duncan Hunter has lauded this act (HR 3793) as timely and necessary.

This act requires the Department of Defense to pay re-enlistment bonuses if the service member cannot complete the length of enlistment due to a combat injury. Currently, DoD pays the re-enlistment bonuses in installments that are terminated if the service member cannot continue his/her military service. As a result, if someone is hurt in combat after re-enlisting, he/she would receive the initial down payment, which is usually half of the entire bonus, but may not receive the annual installments if combat wounds make it impossible to continue service.

The DOD has even had the audacity to write veterans in hospital beds requesting they repay bonus money. Pretty incredible isn't it. Well, thanks to democrats like Jason Altmire, this calous and ungrateful practice which insults our finest who have sacrificed their very bodies for this country, will finally be brought to a halt.
Let me know if you'd like more, because I've got plenty of stories that Ann won't write about.

Kevin "Hack" King

Pride is a sin. Not interested!
Take a tramp to a hotel, pay his bill for a week, and be about your way without telling anyone. Can you do it?

First of all, if I took a tramp to a hotel it would not be a "him" - another one of those differences between Democrats and Republicans. And a week is much too long - a day, maybe 2, but not a week.

Republican Senator David Vitter most certainly did take female prostitutes to hotel rooms. I can't argue with that. Craig, Haggard, Gannon, Foley; now THOSE, I can argue with. Can I at least get a half point? Heck, I just hope you keep posting. This is more fun than Vegas and cheaper to!!

Kevin "Hack" King

Anonymity can prove a useful tool and ally in providing some type of truth to the masses. Especially in cases, in which one's economic means is threatened, which is why whistleblowing laws are necessary.

And I'm not suggesting that many of the points made by the anonymous posters are invalid, by no means. But I'd instead argue, that upon points of political discourse, anonymity weakens one's argument. I could care less who you are, as to opinions about what you favority movie, or ice cream might be, but I'd sure as heck question your conviction of opinion about who to vote for in an upcoming election, if you are too worried as to give your real name to support your political views. Does this make your opinion wrong, no. Does it make your opinion have less weight, I believe yes.

That was my only point.

P.S. I hope your child and/or children had a nice time with us. I try to stay out of the way of these get togethers.

I don't know. I still can't see why an opinion even about an important issue is weakened by anonymity. Suppose I write, "I am voting for candidate Z because Z possesses qualities A, B and C. Further, A, B and C are essential to leadership today, given conditions Q, R and S." I go on to give evidence of the candidate's actual possession of those qualities, the actual occurrence of those conditions, and some rationale for thinking that there is a match between qualitiy and condition.

How would my signature make any difference to the strength of my argument?

Now, on the other hand, imagine pulling a DVD from the shelf at blockbuster, and reading this blurb:

"Best movie of the year" --(Name withheld at Reviewer's Request)

Anonymity WOULD then effectively undermine the opinion, though on a trivial topic.

PS -- Regarding the sleepovers, I think you have me mixed up with another blogger. My own kids, all in their late 20s and early 30s, are not entirely beyond "sleepovers" of sorts, but it typically involves beer and poker.

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Richard only wants to know the real names of well known people. If I say that I am Lynn Westmoreland and I have been posting comments on political stuff, he would say, "AH HA -- Gottcha!"

If I say that I am Susan Quattlebaum, he would say, "Who is heck is that" and it would not matter what I posted regarding any subject. If he doesn't know me, he doesn't care what I think.

Am I right about this?

The truth is that I am pretty well known by many, and if I posted my real name, people who know me would say, "I'm surprised she posted such shallow comments." LOL

are invalid, by no means."

Accept for what I said in my initial post:

"but the opinions of those who are not willing to share thier true identities will forever be dismissed as of little importance."

Do I smell back-tracking? Is that the sound of back pedaling?

Kevin "Hack" King

Some people who don't want to hear some things, don't think things through with respect to others!

I meant "except"

Kevin "Hack" King

I know more about "back pedaling" then anyone here. BTW, I'll remain as "Cyclist".

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Muchos gracious Muddle.

Either the argument is cogent or it is not.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Sort of. I was going to say something like that. But probably in more of a 'Git' fashion. More long winded if you know what I mean.

Salute to you my not so anonymous friend.

into a battle of wits with Muddle. It would be like a chess match where my opponent knew I was check-mated ten moves before I did. Muddle, what a great anonymous addition you are to these blogs! Graci'.

Kevin "Hack" King

Do you remember the 70's, when streaking was the fad. Every other day, you'd see someone streaking down the street, at a football game, or just anywhere. These people, usually guys, would say they felt so very liberated, to let it all hang out there for all to see.

Well, blogging with a moniker might spare you the public embarrassment of occaisionally voicing an unpopular opinion, it still does not liberate one's soul unless and until you can stand up and say what you think, out loud and with conviction. That is only done when you use your actual name.

I take personal hits from those who find my comment's bourish and partisan, but I feel liberated knowing that I'm excercising my freedom to speak, for which many brave men and women have and are risking their lives to protect and preserve.

As to having the "R" listed behind my name, I'd suggest that I really don't know that I am an "R", for that matter I doubt you are a "D". The chasm in politics has brought us about five different parties. We have the Conservative wing of the Republican party and you have the liberal wing of the Democratic party. Then we both have moderates, which we abhore, but who often garner control, because the fifth political party, called the so called "I"-independents, vote their emotions on election day to elect the person that makes them "feel" good.

But I digress, welcome again to this blog site and I look forward to reading your opinions in light of your forthrightness in sharing your true identity.

For the rest of the private bloggers, lets leave their grafitti to the bathroom walls, and expressway over passes. Because an opinion given without the conviction of a name, has very little if any real value. Even when their posts show intellectual and factual reasoning, their value is diminished by all of the other posters who inundate the blogs with their trite comments and allegations.

Thanks for sharing.
Richard Hobbs,

Git, as I said, my comments are not personal. I don't know you. You say you know me, and I hope that your opinion of me, gives weight to the comments that I share online, then again, they may do just the opposite, but whichever, you know my convictions are heartfelt and not mere whining.

You are all in turmoil over Dan's seat and over the DA's seat. I know you have shared many wonderful comments online, and many I believed to have been true, but you have to admit, that you have no credibility other than in the few moments that pass before these comments are moved off the main page of this blog.

Like it or not, only a few dozen may read these posts before someone like Dollaraday, starts posting his rants again. Come on out of your shell and enjoy the freedom of sharing your convictions, openly and honestly. This is America, we have that right. Our men and women did not die on our battlefields to protect the right to voice anonymous opinions, but to protect unpopular opinions given openly by our citizens.

Come on in, the water is fine.....

Richard Hobbs

but you have to admit, that you have no credibility other than in the few moments that pass before these comments are moved off the main page of this blog.

So... Then what's your point? Please tell me you're not obsessed about knowing who I am. If I'm irrelevant then why the fuss?

You are all in turmoil over Dan's seat and over the DA's seat.

Turmoil? Nah... This is an enjoyable sport for me. I get to post things that are true, that ordinarily would not be revealed to the voters. And I get to dig and pry at suspicious and corrupt activities in an effort to expose a few bad guys. By compiling information from other anonymous bloggers it is amazing as to what truths emerge. Funny thing is that rarely have I been wrong on these characters, and if I ever am I will back off asap while often times admitting such. Come on Richard... you've been around politicians and their two bit campaign slogans long enough to become disgusted with their hypocrisies. Turmoil? Nah...that ain't it.

Come on in, the water is fine.....

No thanks. I'm secure with my anonymity. Besides, I sign my name often enough in print as it is. And think of it this way; if I lose my anonymity then my valued and reliable sources just might dry up.

Let me know what your favorite beer is. One day you might be sitting in a restaurant and the waiter will come up and say, "This is from the gentleman who is standing over there. Well... he was standing over there".

"Baptism! You boys are dumber than a bag of hammers."

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I'm playing it now, "Man of Constant Sorrow" by Norman Blake and there is some fine 'picken' on it.

I was just working on a guitar tab for "Man of COnstant Sorrow" last night. It's in an alternate tuning: DADGAD. I'll get it by and by. Meanwhile, I haint too bad on the vocals, as most of my family has roots in "old Kentucky"--as does George Clooney.

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