PTC may allow Segways on cart paths

Fri, 11/23/2007 - 9:46am
By: John Munford

Peachtree City may soon allow Segways to be operated on the city’s cart path system after all.

The two-wheeled scooter was turned down by council in April, but the city is reconsidering the matter in light of a presentation from company representatives last week. Several council members indicated they wanted to see an age limit on the operation of the Segway similar to the age limit the city currently has for golf cart operation.

Segway officials pointed out that the vehicle has a top speed of 12.5 mph which cannot be exceeded, even when going downhill.

The two-wheeled vehicle carries one person standing upright, as gyroscopes and computer algorithms “learn” the users balance to keep the unit stabilized.

The Segway is maneuvered by leaning forward and backward, and the further one leans the faster the vehicle goes. The vehicle is turned by leaning the steering column to the right or the left.

Councilman Mike Harman said he tested one out recently and thought it would be safe for use on the cart path system. The Segway comes in a regular “street” version and a different model with wider tires designed for off road usage. Councilwoman Cyndi Plunkett said with the rough state of some cart paths, the off road version might be best to use on the paths.

Segway officials said Georgia law recognizes Segways as pedestrians and not as motor vehicles. But the city considers them scooters and as such Segways are disallowed on the paths under the current city ordinance.

Council’s April vote to not allow the Segway on the paths was based in part on several safety concerns from the police department which had tested the Segway, including:

• The Segway doesn’t adequately protect the officer if a collision were to happen with a golf cart (and there are numerous blind curves on the path system which would increase the likelihood of a collision);

• The paths are uneven in many areas making it difficult to operate the Segway;

• The Segway is considered a motor scooter under the ordinance and if it were allowed perhaps other scooters would also have to be allowed; and

• The Segway is best suited for areas such as sidewalks, airports, malls and other places with flat surfaces.

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Submitted by bladderq on Sun, 11/25/2007 - 7:06pm.

Are we not Republicans? Why not let the marketplace decide? Those that want to buy expensive toys, that carry 1 person and no groceries...have at it. Why the debate? Next ya'll want to tell me who my garbage service should be at what I should pay.
Geeez, I knew I lived in Policetree City but it's turning in the Soviettree City.

Submitted by John Q Public on Mon, 11/26/2007 - 2:58pm.

Unreal. Check your facts. Segway is a very safe machine. I notice that it is always the same names scared to death of any change. If there are problems on the Multi use paths then fix the problems don't discriminate against a practical safe mode of transportation. Worried about the roots on the paths? Fix them! Start writing and complaining about that! Tell your City council you want them fixed! How many fatalities can you find with Segways? How many can you find with golf carts and bicycles? It is always easier to fear the unknown and just say no, but is it more intelligent? How many of you have ever tried a Segway? Want totally safe paths? Take everything off of them and change the name to no-use path system. The Segway meets every criteria and cost $5000.00 it is not a toy.

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 11/26/2007 - 4:59pm.

You are hilarious. We don't even have enough money for cops or firefighters, we should fix the paths too?????

Segways are sort of new, just a few years in operation. Locally really only used at the airport. Since segways are new, there really hasn't been much opportunity for trouble, or accident reports.
Chain restaurants go out of buisness here frequently. If the people here don't have enough extra cash for restaurants how many are going to buy a 5,000. scooter?? This buisness owner is smoking something and as soon as I retire I want some of it.

My last point is whether scooters or segways are allowed or not really doesn't matter, because we don't have cops on the cart paths. Any kid here could tell you just do what you want to, if it feels good do it. We see scooters all of the time on the paths here, kids going fast and no helmet. You will never get caught.

There are lots of people waiting on the organ donor lists.

Submitted by John Q Public on Mon, 11/26/2007 - 6:02pm.

There is your issue. Cops on the paths. Not the evil Segway (Stick buggy). Why don't we raise the issues that really count? Like you said, who is going to buy a $5,000 Segway anyway?

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Mon, 11/26/2007 - 3:49pm.

Can you imagine if there were as many stick buggies (Segway) on the cart paths as we have bicycles and golf carts?

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 11/26/2007 - 3:54pm.

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Submitted by All Smiles on Sun, 11/25/2007 - 5:33pm.

Thought, will drinking and Segways carry the same penalty as DUI's on a golf cart? Or what about a stolen Segway vs. stolen golf cart; will that be grand theft auto? I think allowing Segways, although a great vehicle for those who have mobility issues, it will be like opening a can of worms!! Not only will PTC be affected by this but our court system of Fayette County. This move will also bring even bigger headaches to the cart path system!

Submitted by tonto707 on Sun, 11/25/2007 - 7:19pm.

be charged with driving under the influence if operating any vehicle propelled by a MOTOR. PTC has been nailing people on golf carts for years and Segways will be no different.

Don't drink and drive.

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 11/25/2007 - 5:26pm.

The theory of evolution will be played out. Let's hope they don't hurt any innocent people. If they don't want to wear helmets power to them, lot's of people are waiting on organ donor lists.

Submitted by d.smith700 on Sun, 11/25/2007 - 3:30pm.

I can foresee the hi-jacking of these instruments! Just pitch them into the golf cart and head out!
What are they worth on the open market? $100 maybe!
Talking about law suits, wow!
Will plug ins along the path be available? Will AAA pick you up?
Can women and girls drive these things, say, across the 54 cart bridge? Will they climb the hill at McDonalds at H-54?
Will they be allowed in our parking lots? People back over motorcycles now!
I think they already have one invented with three wheels that you can sit in that operates about the same and will carry a passenger!
We will make David Letterman!

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Submitted by muddle on Sun, 11/25/2007 - 8:09am.

The main reason for banning Segways has to do with PTC's image before a watching world. PTC is already ripe for parody with the golf cart thing. Just consider the geek factor if these things start showing up all over town.

White and Nerdy


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That was not made by the hands of man.

Submitted by daisyheadmaisy on Sun, 11/25/2007 - 9:01am.

What a great way to start the day - watching a silly Weird Al video! Thanks for that link! Smiling

Submitted by flip212 on Sat, 11/24/2007 - 8:23pm.

Mr. Mayor and Council Members,

I am asking that before you approve Segways on our pathway system, please do your homework regarding their safety. I know that one of the Council Members did his research (as he stated at the last council meeting) by taking a test ride recently on a Segway. Based upon that "research" he seemed satisfied that his homework was complete enough to support the approval of Segways on our pathway system.

Another member stated "he would not suggest helmets be required due to "to much government regulations."

At a recent council meeting, I recall during the demonstration from the local dealer he stated something to the affect that "they back up on impact". Remember how he stood in front of the device and it "bounced back'? He was indicating how its impossible for them to harm anyone/anything on impact. I would suggest you view some of the damaged Segways in the website links below. These damages hardly substantiate his claims. As I recall, Cindy had some comments regarding our pathway system does have some imperfections. Similar perhaps to what is documented below.

This issue almost seems somewhat similar to our local developers. Lets buy land (open a dealership) then strong arm the city to bend rules to accommodate our failure to do proper due diligence up front! How many of you would open shop in a community before knowing if your product would/could be used in that local? I mean seriously, come on! What do these people take us for here in Peachtree City?

I would ask you to please do your homework. Do some basic research rather than simply "visiting the store and taking a ride on one"! Lets not have someone killed (hopefully not one of your family members or close friends) in our community because you didn't do proper due diligence.

There may be a practical place for Segways, but I'm concerned that it may not be on our city pathway system.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 11/24/2007 - 8:50pm.

I take it for granted that no motorized vehicle is completely safe.

What I don't have a clear picture of is what specifically you find lacking in the Segway.

Submitted by flip212 on Sun, 11/25/2007 - 6:09pm.


Safety for those riding them on the cart path system that was not designed for them to be on. Can you imagine what happens when someone hits one of the many tree roots growling under the pathways?

Safety for those in golf carts and bikes.

We have enough problems with kids that drive reckless in golf carts…why add injury to insult by allowing these open motorized vehicles? Why not allow motorized scooter that the kids use? What’s the difference? Why were they restricted? Because of Safety!!!

Talk about opening Pandora’s box.

Submitted by flip212 on Sun, 11/25/2007 - 6:12pm.


To the golf cart driver who darted across Highway 74 in front of my car on Saturday afternoon...
I just wanted to remind you that it is illegal for golf carts to ride on or cross either 54 or 74 without using one of the bridges or tunnels.

Your actions endangered yourself and your passengers. You also endangered me, my passengers, and the passengers of the half dozen other cars that had to take evasive action to avoid hitting you as you crossed from Westpark Walk to The Marketplace shopping center.

To the leaders of Peachtree City: We've got improve the cart access to and between our popular shopping areas at the intersection of 54 and 74. The completion of the new tunnel at Paschall and the CSX bridge and tunnels are not enough. We must move ahead with the planned tunnel between Westpark and Marketplace.

Submitted by Nitpickers on Sun, 11/25/2007 - 7:23am.

Segway carts, or "Ginger" as I think it was known as a prototype, is a failure and was destined to be one even before release! It was hoped that it would be conned off on the police or other gullible tax spenders.
They have a few specific uses in very limited circumstances. Bicycles however still crowd them out of most uses.
If you think bikes are dangerous on the paths, put the Segways on there! They will back-up alright, maybe even bounce off a tree!
They work best in gyms, warehouses, and as conversation pieces.
They might make kids a pretty good toy but the price knocks that out.

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