Yes, it appears Steve Brown will win the blogger poll voted on by unemployed people (ie. Steve Brown and his friends). He won it last time and then proceeded to lose HUGE in the real election. Word around town is that Ramsey is going to wrap up the whole thing tomorrow night. Happy blogging Stevo!!

Ramsey is just like Linda. And I don’t mean just because he and Linda both shamelessly and illegally spank the right-of-ways and vacant lots with their signs (although they both do). They both are big government porkers.

Ramsey and Linda look at particular issues and say “Spend more…Throw money at it…” Or, in Rammy’s case, he says “More resources” for crime, teachers and roads. That’s code words for “spend it baby”. But just like Linda he shrieks “Oh, I’m a fiscal conservative. I will cut the budget.”

Who are you Rammy, thinking you can escape from all those promises, Houdini ?

Not to mention his vacant developer lot locations where he has his mini billboards located. How about all the ex-officio self serving political hacks on his list. Not to mention a corrupt lawyer or two.

voted on by unemployed people

Wanna compare paychecks? If you only new. Ha ha ha ha....

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I never tell lies about people on my blog.
Especially if I think the truth will do more damage.

Does any of this district stretch across toward the Panhandle of Clayton County? I found it online, answer is no. District doesn't even go as far south as Brooks, unless I can't read a map. Peachtree City and east to the Fayette/Clayton line is a rough estimate.

Well, I see Ramsey and company got a couple more phony named votes. LOL! Now it's a tight race with Steve Brown down to 49%

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I never tell lies about people on my blog.
Especially if I think the truth will do more damage.

He tried it in the last mayor's race and got TROUNCED and he'll get trounced again. I will be surprised if he gets 40%. By the way my hat is off to Mr. Ramsey for not lowering himself into these gutter political attacks. Footnote... watch and see the names I'll be called.

But it has been 500 years since then and we are still waiting for another!

His name was St. Thomas More - - and as you may recall from the 1966 Academy Award winning movie "A Man for All Seasons", he lost his head for speaking truth to power.

BTW, my favorite Thomas More quote: "Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to lose his soul for the whole world... but for Wales?"

The election is for the purpose of selecting a State Representative - aka a "lawmaker", so why wouldn't we look to a trained lawyer who knows the law. Better than that renegade Brown who started out his term as Mayor of PTC by ignoring the advice of the City Attorney. Brown was an embarassment to Peachtree City. Elect Matt Ramsey.

Are you talking about Rick Lindsey who sued his former client, Peachtree City, over a big box store? Oh yeah, follow his advice for sure.

Steve Brown pointed out a couple more "lawmakers" (or is that "lawbreakers"):

"Young attorney Ramsey is woven in the fabric of state Sen. Mitch Seabaugh who received financial contributions from TDK developers and chief law partner Doug Warner.

Warner’s former protege Mark Oldenburg was also involved in the Development Authority scandal and with advising the PTC Water and Sewer Authority, as its attorney, to bypass an intergovernmental contract with the city in an attempt to run sewer capacity to Coweta County."

Sure thing Robert W Morgan, the world is sooooo much better off because of these attorneys. Would it surprise anyone if the police found $90,000 in developer cash in their freezer?

When I arrived at the conclusion that Brown was the best candidate for Lakly's seat, I eliminated the lawyer before I eliminated the Democrat. There is simply no contest here - Brown is the best of the 4 candidates - by far.

He was not the ideal mayor and certainly can't manage people, but that is of no concern as a State Representative. He will do more good than harm up there. Even though he is Republican in name only, he will get on some good committees and be able to get some of the freebies they dole out for Fayette County.

It will also be amusing to see how he interacts with the man that replaced him as mayor of PTC and the Fayette County Commission Chairman and the other State legislators who openly applauded his defeat. Since he has no shame or any real values, I believe he can pull that off. Again, all this makes him uniquely qualified to be our State Rep.

Since you seem to know a lot about local politicians, please explain what you said about SB: "Even though he is Republican in name only." Someone else said that he's really a Democrat. Is he? Thanks

If he lived in New York or Massachusetts he would be a Democrat. Whatever it takes to pander to the most voters. This is not just Steve Brown, he is simply one of many. Usually carpetbaggers who have come here from the north trying to fit in.

All the racist Southern Democrats (or Dixiecrats) eventually became Republicans after Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act in the mid-60's. Many Georgia Democrats in the State legislature are converting to Republican because they prefer being part of the majority instead of the minority.

Brown himself is only a Democrat in the sense that he believes more government is better. He is in love with the machinery of government, the grant process, overlay districts and the micromanagement opportunities that evolve from all that. He loves it and he certainly understands it. That's why he's the best choice for Fayette County. He will work the system (as a RINO) to get us grant money and special projects that we won't fund with our own local tax dollars - instead the State taxpayers will give us things and Steve Brown can have the credit and get interviewed on TV. Classic win/win solution.

I surely haven’t agreed with Steve Brown all the way down the line. I think his stance on TDK and large scale retail is wrong. HOWEVER, Mudcat’s inferring Brown is a southern racist Democrat turned Republican is going too far. It's this kind of behavior from the Brown detractors that sends voters to him by the hundreds. The mud slinging doesn't help a darn bit and people are tired of it.

I have an 8,600 sq ft home on some acreage and could really benefit from Glen Richardson’s killing property taxes. HOWEVER, I also have children in the school system and I agree with Brown that taking the school funding out of the BOE’s hands and putting it under the gold dome is a very bad idea. Let me point out Ramsey is very noncommittal on this issue.

Even though I don’t agree with all of Steve Brown’s local ideas, I think he’s an honest and decent human being. The state legislature is a disaster and I think Brown would most likely be a positive influence up there.

Bob Lenox and Fred Brown have done more to discredit most of the honest people working in the real estate development industry than any other people I know. Their wheeling and dealing with PCDC made us all look bad and changed the public perception of real estate developers in Fayette County. I backed Harold Logsdon based on his views and not because Fred Brown was behind him. Harold hasn't been the type of leader they made him out to be and he needs to be a better communicator.

It’s pretty clear who's steering the Ramsey ship and I think he’ll make things worse for everyone concerned. I'm going with Brown this time.

"Brown himself is only a Democrat in the sense that he believes more government is better."

LESS government is better! I'm sick of politicians spending as much money as they can to buy votes to keep themselves in office and then get a big pension. But too many people want more and more and want somebody else to pay for it.

What do you think about Pat Buchanan? I wonder if his new book is worth reading?

Well, now, Bob since you decided not to run it must be that you were made aware of Young Ramsey's bandwagon. When you mention "trained lawyer", exactly what have you trained him to do? How is a lawyer with one year under his belt have training so superior to the other three candidates who have all been actively engaged in the community ? If you are going to pick a lawyer why not pick your personal favorite---B.J. Bernstein. We do not need any more "well trained lawyers" that advise illegal contracts and open meeting violations. Try again.

Who is better than the trained lawyer - hopefully trained to recognize what is legal and what is not.

Who would be a better choice?
Brown? What possible reason is there to give him a bully pulpit? Has he earned it somehow?

The lady who has no background, no experience, no following?

A democrat to represent a region that is 80% Republican?

There are 4 choices, only one is qualified to serve.

I don't know B.J. Bernstein, but he is not running for this seat.

Only one of the four has been taken out of consideration for me and that is the lady who currently claims to be Republican. Without the political backbone to stand one's ground and be swayed by political breezes lends me to believe that she is of the "elect me because I think I'm great" ilk. Further, I have seen nothing in print to show her positions.
The one Democrat, who I know from personal friendship, is indeed a Democrat and will act accordingly. He will toe his party's line and will be honest to both himself and his constituency. I certainly would like to hear more from him.
The former mayor I supported in his initial run for office as mayor but did not for his reelection. I believe I know his stances and I firmly believe that his loyalty lies with Peachtree City, I do question his methodology.
The young lawyer I do not know nor have any direct knowledge about. I have heard through different sources that he, indeed, is a good man and these same sources believe that he would do our district proud. I have yet to see his name affixed to any positions on issues facing Peachtree City and until I do, I will withhold comment.
So please Mr Brown, Mr Madden and Mr Ramsey elaborate on issues facing the district that you wish to represent so that I and many others can make our decision on who to support.
Mike King Candidate for City Council POst 2
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Steve Brown writes his long policy pieces every week in the newspaper. How can you not know where he stands on the issues??

Agree with you about his loyalty because he takes a beating fighting the developer types. Where has Matt Ramsey been all this time?

Have you considered the fact that you are an almost-elected offical who is commenting on a local election issue - namely advising people to not vote for a certain candidate?

Not that I like the woman or even know who she is, but isn't it inappropriate for you to stick your nose into something like that when you are in a runoff for another position that may have to interact with her's - should she get elected.

I think you crossed a line. Get some legal advice. If you don't have a lawyer other than Matt - ask gitreal. The dude has opinions to spare.

Actually, I don't have an opinion on it.

What I do have an opinion on, is the observation that your Lawyer Ramsey has the blessings of your developer / lawyer buddies. It seems they've made quite a few commercial properties, which are for sale, available for him to place his 5' x 5' campaign signs on. I guess Steve will have to rely on us 'little people citizens' for sign locations.

Like Daniel Boone, we've all been around this business long enough to track a few bad injuns down, wouldn't you say?

Mr. Morgan, you have displayed a lack of legal knowledge placing you on par with quite ignominious company.

I would suggest that pick up a copy of an old text, still in print: its title is "US Constitution". Elected officials regularly comment on other races. Only judges are prohibited from endorsing other politicians but even they do it regularly as well.

Mr. King has done nothing wrong and you should be ashamed for smearing him.

First, kill all of the lawyers! (don't remember the reference)
Pakistan just jailed all of their's!

Quote may sound good on the surface but if check out the reference and especially the context, it might not reflect true feeling.

Yep, I'm voting for him because the other choices are a little old lady, a lawyer and a democrat.

I know I have called Steve all of those things in the past with some justification, but I believe he will represent us with a tenacity that would make Dan Lakly proud. For sure you know he won't be making any friends at the state level and he can't actually spend any of our local tax dollars. In other words he is a harmless choice.

Despite his failure as mayor (an executive position) I believe he will succeed as our state rep since it is only a legislative position. The only ones who will truly suffer will be his small staff.

Living way outside of PTC, I normally don't get too wrapped-up with their politics. I have heard of Steve but don't have a clue about his abilities in political office. As for the rest of them, I have no idea other than what's posted here. I guess I'll have to make a decision soon.
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All you need to do is look at the campaign donations.
Brown - none
Becker - few
Madden - Dems (we are a republican county, you know)
Ramsey - everybody - as in the-business-as usual crowd

Pretty easy decision after that -don't you agree?

Don't forget how badly Steve Brown emabarrased this town with his antics. If elected, it won't take him long to embarrass us on a national level.

It's amazing how less a 'supposed embarrassment' Steve has appeared to be since your boys came into power.

Let's see here... Logsdon, Boone, Seabaugh, Maxwell, Westmoreland,.... As peculiar as Steve may appear to a few, he still beats the rest of the crowd hands down on simple, little ole issues like integrity, honesty, controlled growth, gumament accountability, etc. etc. Out of the 4, Steve is the obvious best choice for Dan's seat.

I think the one's who are embarrassed are the clowns running Lawyer Ramsey against Steve. Your plan to make him (the developer lawyer) out to be some grassroots conservative candidate pooted right back in your faces. LOL! Instead he's been outed as the missing third member, to go along with Seabaugh and Logsdon, in the Southside Developer / Lawyer 3-Stooges Brigade.

...but not to intelligent voters. I'll say this, Steve will probably get people out to vote.

Regardless of your opinion of the current leaders, they don't resort to childish newspaper rants and name calling, as well as baseless accusations. (Hey! Just like you!) I don't believe the voters of this town will allow it to happen again. Steve won this poll as well in his race for mayor, and look how that turned out.

Steve Brown is sometimes caustic and sometimes wrong. But he is entirely clear on issues. Ramsey seems the opposite. Plenty of press releases but no policy. It is a fair statement that people in PTC are concerned about the future quality of life and many believe that buildout should be declared and enforced and not continuously postponed by the annexing, road building developers.

WDD said: "Regardless of your opinion of the current leaders, they don't resort to childish newspaper rants and name calling, as well as baseless accusations." Apparently Matt Ramsey and Doug Warner will rely upon you, a hypocritical blogger, to engage in the "childish name calling." Case in point--- you compare Steve Brown to Cynthia McKinney ? And all the while, Ramsey has NEVER once, in the three weeks that he has been hustling for developer cash, either (1) announced any policy platform or (2) answered any of these on line questions.

And so are most of the others that will be voting in this race. Intelligence is not the issue here. I'm sure you, your developer allies, and your Lawyer Ramsey are intelligent people. The issue here is integrity, controlled growth, adherence to the land use plans, and not allowing our government entities to be used as 'business development tools'.

Regardless of your opinion of the current leaders, they don't resort to childish newspaper rants and name calling, as well as baseless accusations.

That's what I liked about Dan Lakly and that's what I like about Steve Brown. The where-with-all to stand up against the wrongful abuse of our government entities for the express purpose of personal business gains. It's no wonder you guys squeak so loud when Steve sneaks up behind you and pulls your britches down to expose how dirty and stinky you guys really are.

(Hey! Just like you!)

I am pretty good at it...aren't I?

I don't believe the voters of this town will allow it to happen again.

You're right. I think they've pretty much put up with all they care to from the likes of your boys Seabaugh & Logsdon. That's why the 'Anybody But The Developer / Lawyer Crowds' are going to elect your nemesis Steve.

...what hapeens at the polls. I compared Steve Brown to Cynthia Mckinney. Hardly the tactics used by you and other bloggers, as well as Steve Brown, on numerous occasions. I don't accuse people of lying, accepting cash from developers, or question their character just because we disagree on an issue. These are baseless accusations which are simply not true. Steve Brown was for TDK, then he wasn't. Steve was for annexation, then he wasn't. The list goes on and on.

I'd love to know the issues and debate them as well. Just saying NO to everything isn't going to work. Letting developers sue and then appealing the courts decision hasn't worked either. We need real leaders with real solutions. Ideas of how to make this place as good as we can for the future. Decisions made today won't make a difference for years to come. We have to be mindful of the distant future, when Fayette county is double the population it is now. Shutting the door is not a viable option. I was for TDK, but am against it now because of the massive development that will use the road to access Hwy 74, however at some point, we need another east/west road through Fayette County. We can't rely on Coweta to solve our problems by building more roads in their county. Any ideas?

As costs go up to run the city (and state), revenues must go up as well. Either raise taxes or increase revenue in other ways. Any ideas? I haven't seen anything out of Steve Brown's mouth except NO, NO, NO, no real solutions or ideas. I'm sure all the candidates will tell us eventually.

Bottom line is, I'm not going to change your mind, and your not going to change mine. I hope the many readers of these blogs will do some homework and vote for who they think is the best candidate. It isn't Steve Brown. I haven't decided who to vote for yet, more research to be done. Git Real's assumptions are indicative of his/her many posts. Rhetoric and Drivel with not many facts to back it up.

Go Vote!

I compared Steve Brown to Cynthia Mckinney.

I'm sure he's been called 'worse' by 'better'.

I don't accuse people of lying, accepting cash from developers, or question their character just because we disagree

Let's get this straight. I'm not questioning Lawyer Ramsey's character and motives because you and I disagree. I'm doing so because of where his support is originating from and the company he keeps. Settle this or shut up about it once and for all..... show us the disclosures NOW and prove me wrong. $30,000.00 isn't raised, as it was, in a manner of hours following Dan's death by normal and ordinary citizens. That kind of cash is raised by agenda minded characters making an investment in a candidate for reasons of personal gain. Now, prove me wrong or stop bringing it up. That's one of the lies you guys seem to keep choking on. Heck, you guys were already organized and planning on taking Dan down long before he died. Then you pretended like you organized Lawyer Ramsey's campaign after Dan passed, while pretending how heart broken you were at his death. It was nothing less than a shameless and disgusting ploy originating from your side.

Just saying NO to everything isn't going to work. Letting developers sue and then appealing....

The land use laws have been in place and accepted by the citizens and leaders of our jurisdictions for many years. Why is it Steve Brown's fault that these guys try to sue (bully) their way into getting variances rather than abide by the wishes of the community at-large by sticking to the land use plan. Steve was elected to protect the integrity of our land use plans and not to cowardly cave-in every time some developer hack threatens to sue. There are times when a simple NO should suffice.

We can't rely on Coweta to solve our problems by building more roads in their county. Any ideas?

Block Coweta's ingress of traffic into the heart of Fayette County and let them choke on their own developer driven wreckless uncontrolled growth decisions. That's about all we can do other than running an expressway through the middle of Fayette County to make the developer minded political hacks happy.

As costs go up to run the city (and state), revenues must go up as well. Either raise taxes or increase revenue in other ways. Any ideas?

Here we go again...trolling for tax dollars. We always seem to justify bad developement decisions by bringing up increased tax revenues. Look at Fayetteville and see how your thinking plays out. Look at all the vacancy rates in all of the newer developments that have been thrown up in recent years. You guys act as if these shopping centers are perpetual revenue machines that last for many, many years. When in fact, they prosper for a few years and then they abandon our communities leaving nice shoes to fill for firms like Big Lots and the sorts. Yeah... sure.... tell me how much tax revenue all those vacancies in Fayetteville are generating and then tell me again why NO might often be the right answer.

Oh..and BTW.... You did indeed accuse both myself and Steve of lying in another blog. So stop your lying.

Your assumptions about me are laughable. You don't know me from Adam, but you assume becuase I don't like Steve Brown, I am for Matt Ramsey. As I stated before, I haven't decided who to vote for. But you ignore facts to make any kind of argument. If you have proof of $30,000 dollars in campaign contributions, show us. I don't have any clue.

When I spoke of other revenue, I have ideas that don't include more commercial retail. My ideas include events that create an economic impact on the city and/or county. As an example, if the dragon boat races became big enough to generate a significant economic impact, maybe that would create enough revenue to offset tax increases. I believe there are other ways to create revenue for the city besides commercial.

Continue to stick your head in the sand on our traffic issues and we'll end up in the same mess as other Atlanta suburbs.

As far as the will of the community, it seems to me the council has listened to the community. No Good Will, No TDK, and no to Kohl's. Individuals may have different opinions, but so far the council has listened. But there are private property rights, which allow a landowner to do what he/she wants as long as it fits within city ordinances and zoning laws. I wasn't around for Wal Mart or Home Depot, and if I were, I would have been against them, however, I still don't believe you can legally stop a lawful development.

Please show me the blog where I called you or Steve Brown a liar. I don't believe it exists.

Please show me the blog where I called you or Steve Brown a liar.

I stand corrected on this one. It was another blogger. Sorry...sometimes you guys look all alike to me. Get an avatar.

But you ignore facts to make any kind of argument. If you have proof of $30,000 dollars in campaign contributions, show us.

Silly person... That's what I'm trying to do. Remember, I'm not the one running and neither was I the one running my mouth, before Dan was buried, bragging that I had bagged that kind of dough. To you, I shall not reveal my sources or then I would have to kill you...just joking. The proof lies within Lawyer Ramsey's disclosure statements that need to be released. But know, I just hope they don't become doctored.

Continue to stick your head in the sand on our traffic issues and we'll end up in the same mess as other Atlanta suburbs.

We're already in the same mess as other Atlanta suburbs. Blocking TDK helps keep the problem from worsening.

But there are private property rights, which allow a landowner to do what he/she wants as long as it fits within city ordinances and zoning laws.

Ahhh.. But, here we agree. The operative phrase is "as long as it fits within city ordinances and zoning laws. Now we're hitting common ground. Did it ever occur to you the reason the developers are so sue happy is that perhaps their projects fail to "fit" within the city or county zoning laws? Did you ever ask yourself why they are desperate and devious when it comes around to election time? They talk a good game, but when they get in power the land use plans fall victim to their desires. Then you go onto say:

I still don't believe you can legally stop a lawful development.

I really don't think anyone has a problem with "lawful developments". Since you have admittedly not been around here for very long, I'd suggest that you review the controversial developments that have caused so many sparks to fly. Many of us, who have been around for twenty years or more have seen our zoning ordinances bastardized more times than we care to admit. We have seen set-back and buffer encroachments that have deprived the surrounding property owners of these rules. We have seen multitudes of variances granted (density) that have ruined the intents of our land use / build out plans. We have seen many of these suing developers and lawyers repeatedly break and twist our laws at the expense of us taxpayers. And some newbie like you wants to trash on me? Git informed and stop talking down to me like I just drug into town.

If you want to see the politics of personal destruction in action, why don't you Google around on the the Citizen and research that bogus lawsuit they tried to defame Steve with. Hell, without a lawyer, Steve spanked their Direct Pac lawyers butts. Those clowns didn't even have the himbada humbadas to personally appear at the hearings.