PTC: ‘No red lights’ at Banks or Crosstown

Tue, 11/20/2007 - 5:26pm
By: John Munford

Consultants and city staff are recommending traffic lights and extra turn lanes at two of the busiest non-highway intersections on Peachtree Parkway.

But the Peachtree City Council so far is not buying their experts’ arguments to signalize the intersections of Walt Banks Road and Crosstown Road, both of which currently are served by four-way stops.

City Engineer David Borkowski said that the traffic count at Crosstown makes the intersection eligible for a traffic light under the traffic “warrants” procedure.

The light at Walt Banks — within a block of McIntosh High School — was seen as necessary in large part to help improve safety at several golf cart crossings in the area, said City Manager Bernie McMullen. Those crossings include one just south of the intersection that goes directly across the parkway.

In recent months the city has hired a traffic crossing guard to work the intersection of the parkway and Walt Banks Road during morning and afternoon school hours because of the large amount of students driving golf carts to nearby MHS.

In addition to signalizing both intersections, city staff and the city’s traffic consulting firm both recommended additional turn lanes in several different directions for both projects, Borkowski noted.

Councilman Stuart Kourajian said council has previously told staff they don’t want stoplights erected in residential neighborhoods. Borkowski said the city could add the necessary turn lanes without the stoplights, leaving the intersections controlled by four-way stop signs.

Another reason to add the traffic lights is to cut down on the confusion among drivers as to whose turn it is to proceed at the intersections, Borkowski said.

Council ultimately tabled the matter to give individual council members time to meet with city staff on the issue. The issue will be resurrected at the Dec. 6 council meeting.

Several residents, including David Gardner and Phyllis Aguayo, strongly urged the city to ditch the traffic signals because there are few if any significant backups at either intersection.

“Even without the light, I think this is overkill,” Aguayo said, referring to the additional lanes proposed for both intersections.

Early this summer council rejected a proposal to build a roundabout at the Walt Banks Road intersection, which was recommended by a previous traffic consulting firm.

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Submitted by PTCitizen on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 8:39pm.

Wow, you guys must be kidding. Obviously we need a redlight at these intersections, I mean what else are we going to do with the money that would be spent on those? Something stupid like put a light at 74 and Rockaway Rd?

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 7:39pm.

If you like traffic lights, Hwy 74 is an alternative. I live VERY close to the Parkway/Crosstown intersection and see ZERO need for a traffic light.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 7:22pm.

Georgians are some of the worst drivers in the nation!


To be a safe driver, whether you are in a vehicle or on a bicycle, you must understand that, in every situation, the right-of-way is something which is to be given, not taken. If the other driver is not following the rules, yield the right-of-way, even if it really belongs to you; otherwise, you will be gambling with the lives of yourself and your passengers.

Drivers must yield to other drivers:

1. At any intersection where there is a stop sign, you may proceed only after stopping and yielding the right-of-way to any other vehicle either in the intersection, or so close to it as to make it dangerous.

2. At intersections where there are no stop signs, yield signs or traffic signals, the driver of the vehicle on the left must yield to the driver of the vehicle on the right, if they approach or enter the intersection from different roadways at the same time.

At a four-way stop intersection, when more than one driver reaches it at approximately the same time, the first one to stop should be the first to go, if safe to do so. Others should take their turns. There are three other things to remember:

a. Don’t delay traffic behind you– take your turn when it comes.

b. If another driver tries to take your turn, let the driver proceed. It might prevent an accident.

c. Care, courtesy and common sense should govern your actions.

It “should be” legal to shoot those who can’t follow these simple rules.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 7:33pm.

Isn't it amazing how many people can't remember past two cars whose turn it is. I also love it when you get to the intersection just before the other guy, but he never quite stops and rolls through the intersection.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 9:09pm.

The intersection of Crosstown and PTC Pky. with the two yields and two left turn lanes.

For some reason most people seem to have no concept of how to handle a right-of-way situation when a left turn lane is in the mix. Then again, I’ve seen three cars in a row just totally ignore the stop sign all together and follow one right after the other right on across the pky. as if there was no stop sign.

The common misconception around here at a four-way-stop is “I stopped”, almost, therefore “I can go”.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 9:18pm.

Let's not slam people's driving, um, abilities. Sometimes we all get distracted. Some of it is very funny, especially after school when the soccer moms are extra distracted and rushed to do 8 things at once. Whewww get off the road and out of their way.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 9:44pm.

to properly criticize soccer moms and their lack of driving abilities.

There just isn't enough time in the day to obey all those pesky laws when you have three kids, four sports practices, the dog and cell phone calls to your girlfriends all in your minivan doing 60 on PTC parkway when your tennis lesson and hair appointments are both scheduled while the “deadbeat” is off flying a plane so he can pay for it all.

"It’s all HIS fault officer."

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 10:02pm.

Nice one!!! We in the industry refer to it as flying the bus. And the "flying" part is mostly done by the autopilot.
Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

Submitted by Gator on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 7:07pm.

I live a block from Walt Banks and Peachtree Parkway. No traffic lights are needed. Phyllis Aguayo has it right. Traffic lights would be overkill and unnecessary in a residential neighborhood. For the cost of a traffic light, we can pay a traffic crossing guard for many, many years. No traffic light is needed!

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 7:49pm.

Think about how well that would work.

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Submitted by cruiserman on Wed, 11/21/2007 - 6:48am.

How do you expect a rotary (round about, city circle) to work when local folks have never seen one (the one at the avenue doesn't count) and can't figure out a 4-way stop. Yes, a rotary was explored years ago for PKWY and Walt Banks, never got too far. A rotary requires about four acres to construct, making it expensive and it has a finite capacity on its taffic count. Unlike a light, a rotary cannot be adjusted over time to accommodate more traffic. They are quaint, but an old fashioned, low tech, rigid answer. This is why the concept was scratched.

I am mildly opposed to a light at this intersection. I recuse myself from this because I only hit this intersection during off peak times and know how to avoid it (and do) if necessary.

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 8:50pm.

{or rotary as the English refer to it} once proposed as a solution to the Walt Banks/Parkway intersection? I seem to remember that. And there was an article in the "fishwrapper" over the weekend on traffic circles. Seems like they might, indeed, work. Keep the faith.

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Submitted by Hoosier Fan on Tue, 11/20/2007 - 7:54pm.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

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