PTC leaning toward West Village road sale

Thu, 11/15/2007 - 10:16pm
By: The Citizen

Developer says big box store necessary for Whole Foods

The Peachtree City Council declined to abandon two roads in the West Village Thursday night ... but a majority of council has said it would be willing to consider doing so if the right development plan was presented.

Council told developer Doug McMurrain of Capital City Development they first wanted to see a plan so they can craft conditions on the road abandonment before they vote on the matter. The site is located at the the southwest corner of the intersection of Ga. Highway 54 West and Planterra Drive.

McMurrain asked for a council member to serve on the citizen committee that will work with him on the site, located on McMurrain said he needs the roads to prepare a plan that can be accepted by the citizens.

Although McMurrain said he has taken the proposal for a BIg Box store off the table, he said a tenant such as Whole Foods would require a store larger than 35,000 square feet, making it subject to the city’s big box special use permitting process. McMurrain said he thought a Whole Foods would be accepted with open arms by Peachtree City residents, even if it were in a big box format.

City Attorney Ted Meeker said if the city abandons the road for a later sale, then changes its mind, it could get entangled in a legal dispute over whether or not McMurrain’s company has the right to demand it be sold the road.

The Peachtree City Civic Association opposed the abandonment of the roads, but the Cardiff Park Homeowners Association asked the road abandonment be approved. Cardiff Park borders the site to the south and McMurrain reiterated his commitment to make sure Cardiff Park residents don’t see, smell or hear the retail development he is proposing for the land.

The land is already zoned general commercial, and if the roads remained in place it would restrict development on the site because of the city’s setback rules ... specifically leaving no room for the footprint of a big box store, officials have said.

McMurrain expressed frustration that he has been working on the proposal for two years and still has yet to move forward with the project. The road is in poor condition and needs resurfacing and is such a liability to the city currently, McMurrain added.

No official council vote was taken but the city will appoint a committee in the next few days to work with McMurrain on the proposal.

There may be some incentive for McMurrain to work quickly, as the runoff election in December for the Post 2 council seat is likely to bring a second anti-big box candidate to council.

Previously when McMurrain proposed to locate a Kohl’s at the site, Mayor Harold Logsdon and Councilman Steve Boone said they were in favor of that proposal.

McMurrain said his goal is to make the development the best commercial site in the entire city. His other company, RAM Development, developed the commercial area on the north side of Ga. Highway 54 West that includes the Wal-Mart and Home Depot stores.

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Submitted by johenry on Mon, 11/19/2007 - 8:25pm.

"McMurrain said his goal is to make the development the best commercial site in the entire city."

Isn't this the same guy who said Hooters and QuickTrip? McMurrain is a bully and the city council is lacking common sense.

The sooner we reject McMurrain and he loses his options on the land, the better off we will be.

Submitted by d.smith700 on Mon, 11/19/2007 - 9:44pm.

Now wait a minute! What is wrong with Hooters and Quick Trip?
I'll just bet you he has made a lot of money off those two.
Where else can our local full busted girls work in PTC.
Another place for the people who are bad at math to buy education tickets (lotto) wouldn't hurt! Also have $.90 coffee good as Starbursts.

Submitted by flip212 on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 10:59am.

Levitt and Sons has stopped all work in its developments as it attempts to renegotiate its massive debt.

"Levitt and Sons, like many other homebuilders, is navigating a challenging homebuilding market," said Michael Freitag, spokesman for Levitt Corp., Levitt and Sons' parent company. "We are working around-the-clock to address those challenges and resolve issues associated with our communities and the homebuilding environment in general."

Check out these websites:

http://www.levittandsonshome.org/

http://www.levittandsonshome.org/GuestBookFrameset.htm

Yes...They have filed for bankruptcy!

Maybe we need to do a better job of properly investigating all developers before we decide to sell our streets to them!

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Fri, 11/16/2007 - 10:19am.

From what I've read here and the comments I've heard, they are standing firm on this plan. I'm not against the roads being sold per say, but if that is done, the conditions should be placed on DEED record that NO BIG BOX to be built or ever even applied for on this parcel.

Submitted by flip212 on Fri, 11/16/2007 - 8:38am.

The road was there when he purchased this land, correct? Why did he purchase land he knew would not be suitable for his development plans? Sounds to me like just one more example of a bully developer making a stupid land investment and them crying to city council to make exceptions so he can build is dream project…a big box!

Suppose we sell the road, council approve plans for Whole Foods (big box) and McBully convinces Whole Foods to move in. Then down the road (no pun intended) Whole Foods goes belly up, can’t make a go at it here in PTC. Now, PTC is stuck with an empty big box that Kohl’s, Goodwill or any other big box could move into.

Those in attendance at last nights meeting heard McBully in action. When the Mayor asked him to come back to them with a “conceptual plan” he said, I’ll do it under one condition. Who the h _ _ _ is he to tell the Council his conditions? What an arrogant piece of work.

It’s time we simply stood up and said NO. Period, end of discussion. He knew what he was buying when he bought the land. He knew the restrictions, so deal with it.

Bottom line is, Doug pulled this same crap across the street and was successful. So, in his mind, I’ll do the same thing across the street. PTC Council will eventually cave in to me and I will win, just like I did across the street.

By the way, is Tim Lydell part owner? What’s his deal?

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Submitted by Hoosier Fan on Fri, 11/16/2007 - 9:46am.

"We'll put in a Kohl's, er no, not a Kohl's. Er, we'll put in a Whole Foods, yeah that's the ticket!"

I'm proud of the PTC City Council (and the gathered citizens) for laughing at McMurrain last night when he tried to place a "condition" on the Council's decision.

Go back to the drawing board Doug.


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Submitted by poipendicular on Thu, 11/15/2007 - 11:26pm.

But he has nothing to show that he has Whole Foods. Years ago, I had looked at the Whole Foods site to see if we could get one in town. At the time the site mentioned that the location had to be on or very near a large thoroughfare with I can't remember the number but a VERY large traffic amount. They base the locations also on economic and education levels, and the nearby businesses.

Based on just the premise of through traffic, I don't think we qualify, nor do I want to qualify if my memory serves me, it's like 200,000 people passing by. Yikes! I don't want that much traffic in my town!

If McMurran showed proof of interest from Trader Joe's I would be more amendable to this. I still think it's a ploy to get what he wants.


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Fri, 11/16/2007 - 6:18am.

They have looked at Peachtree City 3 or 4 times on different sites and we have been rejected every time because of the low traffic count and lack of density within 5 miles of the proposed store site.

This is a developer doing and saying anything to get a project going. Remember about 10 years ago when he was promising Parisians on the other side of town?

Do not believe any thing he says. Better yet have someone on city staff call Whole Foods and ask questions. That's been done before.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Fri, 11/16/2007 - 9:33am.

Not nearly enough rooftops within the radius that they desire. You might see one between here and I-85 on Hwy 34 one day when McIntosh Village gets a foothold. Until then, people need to remember what has made the PTC area special, LACK of density.

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 11/16/2007 - 8:03am.

For anything high end, or upscale. I think it was a personal stretch that he got wally here.

He is trying to pull a fast one to get what he wants. He'll say one thing and then do another. Unless we see an actual contract and proposal from a Whole Foods or Trader Joes there is no reason to believe this guy. He has already proven himself to be a bully, now he wants to add lier, lier as well.

mcBULLY how many turnip trucks do you see in PTC?? Do you really think we haven't seen this behavior before. Do you really think you have credibility with anyone here??

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Submitted by mudcat on Mon, 11/19/2007 - 8:34pm.

Impossible to imagine Whole Foods taking up down the street where Harry's failed. We are the same house poor town we were then, albeit with more of us that don't do gourmet, health or quality when it comes to our food shopping habits. Coupons at Krogers work for us. Sneak nightime trips to Aldi in F-town get the staples in the house.


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Submitted by poipendicular on Mon, 11/19/2007 - 10:04pm.

You mean this is the reason why I have to leave town to find some decent groceries? Dang it! I went into Aldi, and walked right back out. I couldn't find anything I needed in there. Dang it every pay attention to what you are eating! The cholesterol and blood pressure meds aren't getting cheaper!


Submitted by johenry on Mon, 11/19/2007 - 8:56pm.

I asked Mayor Logsdon to ban artificial trans fats in restaurant food, but he refused.

He shops at Aldi. He'll occasionally go to Kroger if he gets a development check.

Mudcat doesn't care about our bodies being filled with artificial trans fats. He hopes you all die. Whole Foods would help, but he still doesn't care.

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