Mayor Logsdon seems determined to water down PTC’s development rules

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In utter disbelief, I read Mayor Harold Logsdon’s revisionist history column in Peachtree City’s Update newsletter. (Attention Councilman Harman: In your last candidate essay you said you chose “to oppose the Kohl’s plan.”)

The mayor penned an erroneous history on Peachtree City’s policies on big box retail and our Comprehensive Plan in an attempt to do what?

Your impulse response might be to say, “So he can build three or four more big box stores around the city,” but you would only be partially correct.

It’s bigger than you think — Expand your view for a moment and consider who stands to gain the most monetarily from government decisions.

The answer is the people who need rezonings, annexations and legal exemptions from our ordinances.

I contend Mayor Logsdon is trying to create a platform, at the behest of the development community (his supporters), which not only includes more big box stores, but also a new redevelopment policy for existing commercial and residential land (think Robinson Road and Spear Road) that is well out of our planned city’s current scope.

Keep fighting and go to the city council meeting on Thursday, Nov. 15, and protest the council handing over city property to an out-of-town developer.

Sadly, for our beloved Fayette County, there are certain special interests who are doing whatever they can, mainly through political channels and the Chamber of Commerce, to desensitize the public on the issue of creating more dense development in our county. The more we give up the further they widen the development envelope.

It’s about drinking and driving — I was a presenter on Mayor Logsdon’s January 2007 meeting on future growth in Peachtree City. Everyone, except for me, concentrated mainly on transportation issues. The mantra was just keep building bigger, wider roads and we will all be just fine.

For my part, my slides showed you could make transportation your number two issue because a lack of water volume is going to be what brings us to our knees.

Making that statement in January of 2007 got me some strange looks and some polite nods, but I think my point has been reinforced here recently.

Undoubtedly, traffic is a big issue, and big box stores and more dense residential development only makes it worse, especially for a county which has no immediate access to an interstate highway.

It really does not matter whether you think the concept of global warming is true or false because water usage is increasing, the water supply is finite and droughts do happen. In fact, we had a major scare with the drought of 1986.

However, state bond funds set aside for construction of major water reservoirs at the end of Gov. Barnes’ administration were later diverted elsewhere.

The state legislature has largely dropped the ball on preempting the water crisis which has been on the radar for around 15 years. In fact, the state had not even taken the necessary steps of conducting research on our water system to the point where we accurately know how much water we have and the EPD director has now requested $20-30 million for such a study.

The state legislature is being driven by special interests groups. The philosophy of “just keep running ahead recklessly and we will figure out what the consequences are later” is rampant.

You have to plan for growth. It means having infrastructure in place and being ready to go. It means stop neglecting the current population so that others can profit more quickly from unplanned growth.

Here we go again — I was deeply saddened to see attorney Matt Ramsey of the firm Warner, Hooper and Ramsey announce for the late Rep. Dan Lakly’s seat in the state House of Representatives.

Young attorney Ramsey is woven in the fabric of state Sen. Mitch Seabaugh who received financial contributions from TDK developers and chief law partner Doug Warner.

This is the same Doug Warner who was involved in two separate government contract disputes claiming after-the-fact changes damaging to the citizenry. In addition, Warner was also heavily involved in the Development Authority scandals as an attorney, authority member and board member of Peachtree National Bank.

Warner’s former protege Mark Oldenburg was also involved in the Development Authority scandal and with advising the PTC Water and Sewer Authority, as its attorney, to bypass an intergovernmental contract with the city in an attempt to run sewer capacity to Coweta County.

Undeniably, attorney Matt Ramsey will have a huge stockpile of campaign cash coming in through the Seabaugh and Warner channels. Do we really want to go this route again?

If we are not careful, our local Republican principles will lose all of their conservative luster in lieu of becoming nothing more than an incubator for long-term politicians married to special interest groups.

We are to the point where our political process has become so desperate for campaign funds, kickbacks and favors from special interests that we cannot resolve the common problems which affect us all.

Special interests are being allowed by both political parties to seep in and slowly poison our society with lasting consequences in our politics, our governance and our quality of life.

I have had many people ask me to run for Rep. Lakly’s seat since we were both outspoken on vital issues and independent. However, change really begins when the people head for the ballot box.

The special interests will always have their candidates well funded and ready to run, but it is our apathy that helps them prosper.

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Thu, 11/15/2007 - 10:12am.

Oh the little Direct PAC children of the developers are showing their teeth again. They're going to try to convince you that Harold Logsdon as their brother in arms is an alright guy. They'll swear to you Steve Brown is really the bad guy. Even though no individual as ever stood up to the thugs and the cronies like Brown, they will do their very best to make you believe he is evil and their plans to trash Peachtree City is the right thing to do.

It's time for the corrupt attorneys and the big box developers to pout and pour the insults on Steve Brown. Their worst nightmare is Steve Brown back in office.

Move out of town PAC! McDonoughDawg is certainly being a little hypocritical with his post too. Maybe you ought to fill out a Direct PAC membership form.

Vote Republican


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Thu, 11/15/2007 - 10:39am.

The direct PAC predates my time in PTC. I'm closing in on 4 years, but I've watched and been around the edges of this place since I was born in the 60's. I went on dates when Partner's Pizza was brand new here, pretty gal from off of Gingercake, but I digress.

I moved here because I liked what I saw going on. The Home Depot/Walmart/Kmart were here then. The apartments that are currently here were here also. If I had to say what I didn't like, those things would be at the top of my list. Frankly, other than Target Center, not a lot has changed since I've been here. I knew 74 was going to be widened, and all that comes with that. I purposely avoided the West Village, mainly because of what I said above. I live close to Lake Peachtree, and the Amphitheater, and I enjoy very much living here. The Golf Cart lifestyle fits me to a tee, I rarely crank my car on the weekends.

I know all about Pacs, I assume thie "direct Pac" is seen NOT to have the best interest of PTC at heart. How many of it's members/contributors live here? Exactly what are they up to on a daily/weekly basis that we should fear?

Submitted by vox on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 5:11pm.

Steve Brown is the poison. Can he not take a hint? He was soundly defeated. Nobody here in PTC wants him or cares what he thinks. SHUT UP, Steve. You are mean, vile and need to get a life. Or better yet get help. You need it.

Submitted by Regular Guy in PTC on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 10:59am.

I shutter to think if Steve Brown was the face of Fayette County to the State of GA House. As you say, let the voters speak, and I think they did in the last election, with they voted you out...Steve Brown always tries to make smoke where there is no fire.

Submitted by Thirty Years in PTC on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 10:53am.

Why does Steve Brown have an agenda against “Young attorney Matt Ramsey”? Is it perhaps to gloss over his own failures as Mayor of our community? If Steve were to check his facts, he would realize that Mr. Ramsey was working in Washington D.C. for the Honorable and Conservative Mac Collins during the time of what Steve calls the “Development Authority scandal”. Young attorney Ramsey was not involved in any way shape or form! Matt Ramsey has a wealth of government service and experience thanks to his previous work history with numerous conservative representatives. What you see is what you get with Matt Ramsey....a family man that has experience working in government and has strong conservative principals and who was born and raised in Fayette County. Matt is not some Johnny come lately to our unique and wonderful community who is bent on changing it to reflect their ideals. Matt stands for the ideals of this conservative community and would work hard and effectively as our State Representative for District 72.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 9:27pm.

Dear Thirty Years In PTC,

Answer the questions asked in the link. You're afraid to admit that Lawyer Ramsey's quick cash was raised by a bunch of developers and lawyers. So understand this.... we could care less as to whether Lawyer Ramsey is a nice guy and a long time citizen of the county. None of that matters when his core supporters are the likes of few lawyers who are less than ethical and a bunch of political hacks like our very own turncoat, Mitch Seabaugh. Eye-wink

CLICK HERE TO READ THE THREAD REGARDING LAWYER RAMSEY'S UNKNOWN SUPPORTERS AND THE CONTROVERSY REGARDING HOW HE WOUND UP WITH $30,000.00 HANGING OUT OF HIS POCKETS WITHIN HOURS OF DAN LAKLY'S TRAGIC DEATH.

**** GIT REAL TOUGH ON CRIME ****

"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".

CLICK HERE FOR THE REST OF THE STORY


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 10:08am.

It appears to me and many others that Kohls is "off the board". Why not at least LOOK at the presented plan and see what it may hold in benefits for the future of PTC. The Commercial Zoning isn't going away, unless you know something others don't, and from your musings, it appears that at least you THINK you do. As a citizen you could even have input, instead of griping about everything that's going on.

If you can tell the Council how to keep citizens from "asking" for re-zoning, then you know more than ANYONE in Fayette. They asked in the Spear/Robinson area, and were flat out rebuffed. Or maybe you just didn't like the proposal because it didn't include a 24 hour drug store. The mind wanders.

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Submitted by CCB on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 8:34am.

Mayor Logsdon was just expressing an opinion in the newsletter. I seriously doubt he was trying redevelop the city.

All the mayor wants to do is unload some useless city property. Doug McMurrain has backed down from the big box because people like you kept drubbing on him. Now that you're getting what you wanted, let him have the property he needs.

Sure, the Harman loss shows people are concerned about things and Mayor Logsdon is probably not the best communicator in the world, but Doug McMurrain is now showing a willingness to work with the city. Why not let him go ahead?


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 10:45am.

Developers like Mr. McMurrian need to be taught a lesson.

A developer’s motivation is money our motivation is the wellbeing of our families. Who do you think should win that battle?

Don't come here, pay millions of dollars for property and then threaten those of us that actually "LIVE" here with what you consider to be a money making proposition with total disregard for those it will effect.

Mr. McMurrain should be made out as a warning to all other would-be developers that we're not going to take it anymore!

It wouldn't bother me one bit if Mr. McMurrain was forced to take a huge loss on his 'investment'.

Developers will try and use the argument that they've invested a lot of time and money and should be allowed to proceed at anything they propose. What's not taken into account is the investment of our time and money in the effort to keep them out.

Several members of our community have given hundreds of hours to countering Mr. McMurrain's proposed threats, where's their compensation? Why aren’t their contributions and sacrifices considered for compensation?

We and the City Council need to keep the horse before the cart in this adventure.

As far as selling him the streets, let’s first have him submit a complete development proposal for review before we even consider selling him anything.

As long as PTC owns the streets, we hold the winning hand. The developer either provides the majority of us with a proposal that we the people endorse or he goes home crying. I don’t really care which it is.

Developers need to be at our mercy, not the other way around.


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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Thu, 11/15/2007 - 10:17am.

Don't reward bullies for being mean.

Vote Republican


Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 8:04am.

He sounds like he is well groomed in the art of lying, underhanded backroom deals.(he is a lawyer after all so lying will be a snap for him) If he was involved with the Development Authority, he has the low moral values and lack of ethics he will need to be a successful poli-crimal. He sounds like a winner.

Submitted by Jones on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 6:38am.

Ramsey hails from the "do-nothing" tradition of frail conservatives like Rep. Lynn Westmoreland. A lot of talk and no solutions.

Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan have got to be turning in their graves over this bunch of non-committed conservatives we have today.

Doug Warner is just plain trouble, so be very careful of anyone like a Matt Ramsey who talks about such men as "virtuous".

Submitted by caring citizen on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 10:47pm.

I, for one, am quite happy that Matt Ramsey has decided to run for Rep Lakly's vacated seat. Ramsey is a native of Fayette county and a strong Conservative. He is of the highest integrity and an independent thinker. He is also a small businessman and, in my opinion, small business is the life blood of this community. In fact, much of his practice has been devoted to representing the hardworking tax paying citizens who own small businesses.You write as if you've known him for some time though I'm doubting if you've ever had a conversation with him. He's never run for political office before but is young and energetic. I think he is just what our county needs; a fresh voice and a positive attitude. Get to know him and you'll soon agree with me!

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 9:48pm.

I, for one, am quite happy that Matt Ramsey has decided to run for Rep Lakly's vacated seat. Ramsey is a native of Fayette county and a strong Conservative. He is of the highest integrity and an independent thinker.

Yawn.... That's what they all say. (eyes rolling)

He is also a small businessman

He's a freaking lawyer. Give us a break.

He's never run for political office before but is young and energetic.

None of those descriptions qualify Lawyer TDK Ramsey as a 'good choice'.

I think he is just what our county needs;

Yup, If you're one of the few lawyers and developers that are banking on TDK and looking for some inside political help in pushing projects through, that aid their investment objectives then Lawyer TDK Ramsey is the man for you. Smiling

Get to know him and you'll soon agree with me!

I have gotten to know him. I disagree with you. I'd vote for bedwetting Democrat before I put this opportunist developer lawyer in office. Shocked Did I just say that I'd vote for a Democrat? Puzzled Oh my goodness..... Grab my chest, I think I'm gonna die. Shocked

Click on the link below to view the questions Lawyer TDK refuses to answer.

CLICK HERE TO READ THE THREAD REGARDING LAWYER RAMSEY'S UNKNOWN SUPPORTERS AND THE CONTROVERSY REGARDING HOW HE WOUND UP WITH $30,000.00 HANGING OUT OF HIS POCKETS WITHIN HOURS OF DAN LAKLY'S TRAGIC DEATH.

**** GIT REAL TOUGH ON CRIME ****

"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".

CLICK HERE FOR THE REST OF THE STORY


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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 11/15/2007 - 6:42am.

Does Ramsey have an opponent yet?

What about that funny redheaded lawyer who used to be a big deal in the Democrat party?

Maybe Sam Chapman is ready for prime time.

Dan Tenant would be a good candidate.

Mike Harman is available and he probably still has his signs.

Stuart K. could jump in now and bypass the county commission which is surely his next stop.

Better yet - Peter Pfeifer - resign now and run for Lakly's seat. You will win for sure and avoid a messy contest with Stuart K. next year.

Yep, there's the solution, git. What do you think?


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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 11/15/2007 - 10:56am.

Perhaps it would be better for us to leave Dan's seat vacant rather than settle for another Mitch 'Turncoat' Seabaugh clone.

Ick... I'd rather have Peter over Lawyer Ramsey and the TDK / Warner crowd any day of the week. I can't imagine having to make that choice. Shocked

CLICK HERE TO READ THE THREAD REGARDING LAWYER RAMSEY'S UNKNOWN SUPPORTERS AND THE CONTROVERSY REGARDING HOW HE WOUND UP WITH $30,000.00 HANGING OUT OF HIS POCKETS WITHIN HOURS OF DAN LAKLY'S TRAGIC DEATH.


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Submitted by The Best of PTC on Thu, 11/15/2007 - 12:13am.

Interesting. Git needs to review his prior comments regarding his knowing Ramsey. I suggested, as caring did, that he should meet and learn what Ramsey stands for. His reply to me was along the lines of he doesn't know him and doesn't need to know him to know what he's about. and something about "he's like all other politicians that will pee on your foot while their telling you it's raining". Very eloquent. So, do you know him or are you just blowing smoke as usual?


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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 11/15/2007 - 10:51am.

I suggested, as caring did, that he should meet and learn what Ramsey stands for.

I can learn what Ramsey stands for by closely examining his business links and the characters he chooses to conduct business with. All I need to know about Lawyer Ramsey is to figure out who he represents, who his supporters are, and who he works with. Thus far, he's allied himself with some pretty shady individuals.

So, do you know him or are you just blowing smoke as usual?

Nice try to divert the focus onto Git Real. Remember sir, Git Real is not the one running for Dan's seat. It is Lawyer Ramsey who is the one who has "blown the smoke" (reference my link below).

Disclose who put Lawyer TDK Ramsey up to this and stuffed that huge amount of monies in his pockets. Stop trying to change the subject.

CLICK HERE TO READ THE THREAD REGARDING LAWYER RAMSEY'S UNKNOWN SUPPORTERS AND THE CONTROVERSY REGARDING HOW HE WOUND UP WITH $30,000.00 HANGING OUT OF HIS POCKETS WITHIN HOURS OF DAN LAKLY'S TRAGIC DEATH.


Submitted by blazing2006 on Wed, 11/14/2007 - 10:11pm.

may be a great guy. Personally for me I am tired of lawyers turning into politicians. We have soooooo many problems with congress now and so many of them were lawyers. Book smart yes. No common sense though for too many of them on both sides (democrat and republican). What makes Matt so different from all the other crappy lawyers turned politicians? Why do we need him? Young and energetic does not cut it. What else?I have been waiting for someone to blog some real indepth insight into the pros and cons of Mr.Ramsey and so far all I've seen is peoples lack of knowledge and in general "I like him, get to know him" or the opposite. Is he speaking somewhere? Is there going to be a forum before the election?

Submitted by caring citizen on Thu, 11/15/2007 - 8:31am.

I do know Ramsey is not a Personal Injury attorney. In fact a good many of his cases have been representing private landowners and small businesses AGAINST the government in land condemnation cases. In other words he's helped to fight for property rights. I do know he is for local control of our affairs and less intrusive government. Local decisions should be made by our locally elected officials and not by the State or Federal Govt. He has a tremendous amount of common sense and I think his motives are pure. What you see is what you get with him. He has a tremendous amount of support from the business community in Fayette County because he's intelligient, and understands that small business makes up a majority of the jobs in our county.

I don't know if there will be a forum or not at this point as the election is so close.

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 11/15/2007 - 11:28am.

I do know Ramsey is not a Personal Injury attorney.

We know that. He's a developer attorney.

In fact a good many of his cases have been representing private landowners and small businesses AGAINST the government in land condemnation cases.

Thank you for your confession. Now the truth is starting to seep our of your own mouth. Yes indeed.... Lawyer Ramsey does represent land owners and businesses. He represents developers, builders, and speculators. He does indeed represent them AGAINST the government. The governments you refer to are OUR local governments and OUR local zoning ordinances that affect OUR local traffic and quality of life issues. Lawyer Ramsey in no way represents OUR (local citizens) interests in any way.

Dang.... that's the first honest admission you've made thus far. Smiling

Local decisions should be made by our locally elected officials and not by the State or Federal Govt.

Yes indeed. And these decisions have been made locally. They are preserved in our land use plans, our community ordinances, and the desires of OUR communities as we have grown over the years. OUR desires are to preserve the integrity of our land use plans and not to modify and tweak them for the good of Lawyer Ramsey's developer and investor clientèle.

I think his motives are pure.

We're not questioning as to whether TDK Ramsey's motives are pure or not. I'm certain that they are purely devoted to benefiting the companies and individuals that are propping him up in this race. Eye-wink

What you see is what you get with him.

Yeah.... that is what is scaring the hell of me.

He has a tremendous amount of support from the business community in Fayette County

That is truly evident by the $30,000.00 that was stuffed in his pockets before Dan could even be buried.

Now I have to ask you this...

What happened to the Lawyer Ramsey's line of "When did it become a bad thing to be liked and respected by your friends and neighbors"?

Perhaps you would like to rephrase that to say... "When did it become a bad thing to be liked and respected by the lawyers, developers, land speculators and TDK supporters"?

CLICK HERE TO READ THE THREAD REGARDING LAWYER RAMSEY'S UNKNOWN SUPPORTERS AND THE CONTROVERSY REGARDING HOW HE WOUND UP WITH $30,000.00 HANGING OUT OF HIS POCKETS WITHIN HOURS OF DAN LAKLY'S TRAGIC


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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Thu, 11/15/2007 - 9:07am.

Ramsey-- what you see is what you get--- WOW that's scary...Kinda like my ex-wife.

You say that he represents businesses, landowners and developers as a lawyer now? Yeah, right, he'll be worried about stuff like upholding our ordinances and plans, won't he...

Imagine that--- I am lawyer representing businesses that sue the government to make more money and I want to be in the Legislature...

No thanks !!!!


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