The not-so-hidden lives of PTC teens

Tue, 11/06/2007 - 6:10pm
By: The Citizen

Some McIntosh students boast of guns and drugs on MySpace pages

The not-so-hidden lives of PTC teens Photos above are taken directly from publicly viewable MySpace pages and depict several teenagers who say on their postings that they are McIntosh High School students. Faces are intentionally blurred by The Citizen to prevent specific identification of the minors. Graphics/Crissi Holzmann.

A week after two girls, 15 and 16, were arrested for posting Internet threats to shoot up McIntosh High School, some MHS students are flaunting drug use, underage drinking and gunplay on their MySpace pages, according to a review of the website conducted by The Citizen.

MySpace is used by teens across the country as a way to converse with friends and fellow students. Users can post their own blog (think “diary”), post messages on their friends’ MySpace sites and share their current moods, among many other features.

Some MySpace sites found by The Citizen show images of a confirmed McIntosh student holding guns. Another MHS student belongs to two different MySpace groups that have the following photos on their galleries: One photo shows two teens with guns pointed at the camera, and the other photo shows a student pointing a gun at his head, although he claims on his MySpace page that it’s not a real gun.

Some may consider the images and postings a matter of teenage boasting to enhance one’s image among fellow students. Or they just may be a real-life peek into the culture of teenage drug and alcohol abuse.

All of the pages discovered by The Citizen were set to “public,” which means they are published for all the world to see. MySpace users can set their profiles, photos and other features to private, which keeps them hidden from view except to their “friends” on the site.

One MySpace profile features a 17-year-old McIntosh student holding a gun while wearing a hooded shirt with a bandana covering her mouth. The caption below the photo reads, “got dat 480 Ruger...(expletive removed) bigga den me!!!”

The next photo on the page is of a girl’s hand holding a different gun with the caption, “.40 auto, yup dat attitude adjusta!!!”

The user, who goes by the handle “6a6y C” and refers to herself as “Courtney aka Miss. WynnMeade,” has also uploaded a photo of a partially-empty bottle of liquor as well as numerous photos of herself in provocative poses, some in which she is wearing very little clothing.

The teen’s profile refers to getting “tipsy” and her profile’s featured song is “Weed Song” by rap group Bone Thugs. The site also allows for users to indicate their mood, and the teen’s mood altered from “high” to “lonely” over the period of a couple of days.

The 17-year-old’s mother is listed as her “Top Friend,” indicating that the mother not only knows about her daughter’s MySpace profile, but has seen it, based on comments the girl’s mom made on her daughter’s page on several occasions.

The teen’s sister also has a profile on MySpace, and in a comment the McIntosh student posted to her older sister’s profile on Dec. 14 of last year, she said about someone they both know, “she is buying us like all the blacks and cigs and alcohol we want!”

Another of the 17-year-old’s MySpace friends, “ENDO (M.O.E.),” has a site replete with images, videos and references to marijuana. The user, a 17-year-old male from Peachtree City, lists himself as a student at McIntosh High School involved in both wrestling and football.

Statements on the teen’s profile indicate that he may currently be jailed as comments by various other users include statements such as, “ima break you out some how, you my bro man..... hang in ther brotha man” and “i miss yew cuzo!!!...FREE NORM!!!” which were left on Nov. 3 and Nov. 5, respectively.

That same teen is also a member of several groups on MySpace, including one called “thugs of p-town.” One of the group’s photos is of two males holding guns aimed at the camera. Another group the teen is affiliated with is “Peachtree City Sucks” in which the group moderator’s profile picture shows him holding a gun to his head, a gun he refers to on his own page as “not a real gun.”

Other groups the teen is a member of include “Happenin weed,” “Lets Get Drunk,” and “PTC Fight Club.” The teen’s profile picture is of him and a friend holding up two bottles of liquor.

In another case of a Peachtree City teen touting underage drinking on MySpace, a 16-year-old female with the site handle “kay.” is pictured in her profile image holding a bottle of Jack Daniels Downhome Punch, a drink which contains 7 percent alcohol by volume.

Under the girl’s “About me” section of her profile, another image, which seems to have been taken about the same time, shows the girl drinking the alcohol. A caption under the image reads, “Summer ‘07. Live it up. Drink it down.”

The teen’s profile also states, “down for a blunt or two? or three? or maybe eleventeen.” Blunt is slang for a marijuana cigarette.

The profile belonging to a 17-year-old McIntosh High School student with the handle “Goelz” refers to his weakness for tequila. In response to a survey’s question which asked if he had consumed alcohol in the past month, the boy responded, “yes.”

A 16-year-old male from Peachtree City goes by the handle “I Stay High” and lists his mood as “high.” Adding to the effect is the teen’s profile song, “Stay High” by Young Gutta.

The teen’s profile features several images of singer, and notorious marijuana aficionado, Bob Marley, smoking weed. Images also found on the site include a photo of liquor and a photo featuring 16 guns of various sizes, including several large guns.

Many students used MySpace to mourn the June 2006 death of McIntosh student Dallas Crenshaw, who died after he was shot by close friend Kevin Johnston at an unsupervised teen party hosted by Chris Canderozzi in the Centennial subdivision of Peachtree City. Johnston brought the gun to the party and testified that he was too drunk to drive, so Crenshaw drove him to the party.

Police testified that a witness saw Johnston “waving” the gun around moments before the deadly shot was fired.

Now, 16 months later, MySpace pages can still be found with dedications to Dallas Crenshaw.

But if the recently-discovered gunplay photos are any indication, some students at McIntosh are making questionable choices with guns despite Crenshaw’s tragic death. Johnston was ultimately sentenced to eight years in prison for his role in the incident.

Some may question the wisdom of using the World Wide Web to boast of drug and alcohol use in the public eye. But even users who opt for the strictest privacy settings, however, cannot hide everything from view on

Their site handle, profile picture, age, location, the date of their last login, their mood and their MySpace URL are always exposed to public view. Additionally, any comments they post on their friends’ public pages are viewable by the public.

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Submitted by the_one_i_love22 on Sun, 12/02/2007 - 1:07am.

all of this is some bull. "miss wynnmeade" doesnt even live with her mother so you really can't say anything about her. she does not go to McIntosh,hasnt been for 3 1/2 months. check it out. the gun thing is a joke, its making fun of this kid. she doesnt drink or smoke anything. the bottle of liquor on her pictures is E&J Brandy. E&J is her friends nickname. Bone thugs and harmony is her favorite musical group. i have talked to police about the situation and they cant do anything about it so all of you just shut up! if you really knew this girl you would know she is a sweet, caring, loving, and beautiful girl. "endo" is her cousin, of course she is going to support him!
THIS IS A MESSAGE FROM "MISS WYNNMEADE": "hey everybody on this website i highly disagree with all of you that talk about my mom, F you!!! she tries her hardest, but i dont live with her so just shut up. thanks for those of you who show support and as for that guy that was talking about my beloved ashliegh webster, she was my best friend, never did any drugs or drank any alcohol and nobody know why she did it. but anyways its just myspace its not like people actually act that way in real life, well not everybody, thanks,

Submitted by ztlkel on Tue, 11/13/2007 - 9:55am.

As a parent it is your job to keep up with what your kids are doing. That would include their internet use, schoolwork, bedrooms, cellphone use, where they are and who they are with.

This is not rocket just takes effort and time which too few parents are willing to spend. PTC parents spend too much time shopping and running out to buy their kids cellphones and new cars so they will be "cool". Spend time with your little angel and you will know. Conversations about what is going on at school and in their lives will tell you alot more about their lives than setting them loose on the cartpaths until all hours of the night.

Parents need a reality check - kids need even more guidance than ever due to increased technology which puts them more at risk than we ever were in the 1980's. Quit trying to be your kid's friend and be a parent. Quit trying to buy their love by purchasing things that they don't really need. BE A PARENT - and raise your children (the village isn't doing such a great job).

Submitted by somesomething on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 12:32am.

I don't see how a detailed observation of some not-so-surprising myspace behavior qualifies as "news," exactly. What are you trying to prove, that kids can be stupid? We know. That parents who keep their kids off myspace are effectively band-aiding the problems of their disaffected youths? They're not.

Ok, kids. myspace:bad::_____:good. ...anyone?

Nice job criticizing the medium and not the motivation. Fact of the matter is, most of the kids on myspace don't even use the blogging application, let alone as a diary, and intend only to communicate with friends without using up Mommy-and-Daddy's precious peak minutes.

I have an idea: Let's demonize social networking (and our kids! Laughing out loud), but allow them access to firearms and alcohol. Maybe that will fix the problem!

Submitted by shakenbake on Sat, 11/10/2007 - 3:21pm.

First I just would like to say that Free Speech is something that needs to be used with maturity and intelligence...Some of these angsty teens need to stop while they're ahead because it really only gives us teenagers a bad reputation. No one will take you seriously if you can't differentiate between "your" and "you're". Thanks.

On to what really matters...this article more than frustrates me as a current senior at McIntosh. This headline seem to make more of an impact on The Citizen's front page than the article concerning Sandy Creek's bomb threat. I understand that because of our reputation for being an upstanding, national award winning school, these headlines shock all of the parents in the community. Having been at McIntosh for four years I can truly say the only thing that has changed is some teachers and a resource officer. The drugs have always been an issue as well as the drinking and parties etc etc. I think the real lesson to be learned here is for parents to keep their children a little closer and maybe crack down on some rules...(I can assure you that if these pictures were on MY facebook/myspace/whatever my mother would be livid).

As for the mention of Dallas Crenshaw in this article...I suppose the point was to cite another instance or problem McIntosh has had, but using his name in such irrelevant instances like these can only re-kindle all of the painful emotions our students have already had to encounter. Dallas's death could have been prevented in a number of ways but Myspace sure is not one of them.
R.I.P. Dallas.

Submitted by Esteban on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 8:48pm.

I am so annoyed at the response, or lack there of, by the local authorities and school administrators to the drugs, threats and other contraband found at my high school, McIntosh. Everyday that I come to school I am greeted by the noxious scent of pot wafting in the air or the scene of students passed out on there golf carts in a drug-induced stupor. I hate having to be clumped in to this group of ignorant and indignant adolescents. I enjoy learning and hate how students who are just set against learning are wasting the time of myself, my peers, and my instructors. I personally think that a substantial number of students attending McIntosh right now should probably be arrested, or at least acknowledged by local authorities.

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Submitted by nuk on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 10:31pm.

Which HS in Fayette County has the highest SAT scores every year without fail? Yep, the same one with "all the drugs."

I've lived in Fayette County for the last 25+ years and there's always been tons of drugs in the community. Money+teens=drugs. It wasn't out in the open and plastered in people's faces, but the idea that there is somehow a growing usage of drugs/alcohol compared to a couple of decades ago is mistaken.

I feel your plight, Esteban, having to deal with some less-than-serious students that mar the learning experience for all, but I don't see it changing any time soon.


Submitted by MikePatton on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 9:30pm.

But anyway to give a serious response, I don't see why people are getting worked up by a percieved increase in drug use or whatever, I lived in Peachtree City for 15 years and saw its rapid growth first hand. With an increase in population and more outside influence these things are inevitable. So yeah in the coming years PTC may become less and less of a "bubble", just deal with it, its not your bubble, and its good to get a dose of the real world because things arent rosy and dandy all the time anyway. And the distinction is definitely made between people who are actually at school to learn and people who just go to class stoned and pass out... anyone who lumps the two together is ignorant and uninformed so I'm personally not very worried about them. PTC still is very much a bubble in that it doesnt have much of a real crime problem so we read articles in the newspaper picking on highscoolers, hence this one. But I agree that people should do anything they can to stop school shootings before they occur. Although most of the threats are dry a school shooting is an incredibly traumatic event for the childrens.

Submitted by MikePatton on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 9:10pm.

Estaban, you are a brilliant guitarist with a burning musical passion, I am honored to know i live in the same city as you.

Submitted by Nitpickers on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 9:00pm.

But you see when they get to Duke, they will have proper experience as to how to throw a party with stripper entertainment!
If they were to go there without the experience, then they may not know how to have a good time!
Learning the social graces: partying with kegs and bottles, sleeping together, showering together, potting together, etc., is critical for college.
What use is college if you can't do those things, paid for, until you can claim a job with a piece of paper in about 5-6 years?

Submitted by tennfan1 on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 9:23pm.

It's a shame that on a daily basis I get lumped into the category of "typical teenager" and the "drunken, slovenly, lecherous, good-for-nothing" label is attached to me. I'm an Eagle Scout, a writer (albeit unaccomplished, but it's a start), and a conscientious citizen. What keeps me up at night is not who I'm going to prom with, but the looming economic crisis in this country. I listen to the news every day and discuss current issues with my small group of friends. When an incident like this story happens, I feel deeply ashamed and angry that some pundits lap up this news as evidence of the problem of America's youth. As an insider, I agree that the problems are very real: I watch them unfold before my eyes on a daily basis. But the events I object to is the habit by commentators to paint all of us with the same brush and the "passing of the buck" by the people who should take charge.

Something wicked this way come
Macbeth, Act IV, scene i, line 45

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 7:42am.

Help us understand this behavior we see from some of your peers.

Are they looking for attention? or Do some of them have more serious problems?

What are they looking for when they do things like this??

Sorry for the "wide brush". Sometimes it is hard to see the good for all of the bad.

Submitted by tennfan1 on Sat, 11/10/2007 - 12:39am.

The way I have always viewed it is that many do seek attention, almost compulsively. But also, I think that the desire to belong within a group plays into this as well. Most all of us have social networks, however small. Sometimes people will change their behaviors to "fit in", however drastic the changes may be. I know some people who have gone against everything they have ever believed in just to keep up with the rest of the group. These people were wonderful, individual people who got caught in the mob mentalities that rule the high school cliques. It's almost that some of my peers feel the need to be "individual, but not too much" in order to hold their place in the social hierarchy. That's my best guess, anyways. I'm not one to intimately associate with the people who do things like this (I have casual acquaintances and classmates in that group), so I'm only theorizing here.

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Submitted by Hi There on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 9:38pm.

Oh, so you're aware of the problems? Are your neighbors parents down the street aware?

Submitted by tennfan1 on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 9:55pm.

I don't think I understand you on this one.

Submitted by words on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 9:59pm.

Looks like we'll never know what he meant. he logged off. If someone has a smart comment to say then they should have the guts to back it up with at least an explanation. Hey jack, have you figured out who this is yet?

Submitted by tennfan1 on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 10:06pm.

I think I know who Hi There is referring to, but I'm too polite to say. As for my fellow users, though, I'm clueless.

Submitted by words on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 10:11pm.

Tennfan1 is one of the smartest guys you'll ever meet. As well as the king of random knowledge. He has an eloquent way of saying exactly what needs to be said. His name is Jack Slagle. And he can yell at me tomorrow for giving him away if he so chooses.

Submitted by addyb on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 10:05pm.

Who is Tennfan1?

Submitted by tennfan1 on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 10:11pm.

Just an average high school student. I'm no one in particular. Apparently, though, a few other users know me, or at least where I live...

Submitted by tiredofit on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 9:19am.

I don't believe you are average at all. That can be told by comparison of your blogs to the blogs of your peers on this sight. I'd say you are exceptional. Stay on your path, keep fighting the good fight, and the fact that you think you are average really shows how special you really are.

Submitted by addyb on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 10:14pm.

Do you go to the school where the students in the photos go(went?)?

Submitted by tennfan1 on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 10:21pm.

No, but it's more of the same over here, I'm sorry to say... I've seen things like this where I go as well. It's really just a matter of willful ignorance here. It happens, but no one wants to acknowledge that it does.

*Gone to bed, my apologies, I'll be back tomorrow*

Submitted by words on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 10:30pm.

what's happened is this sort of stuff seems common place at high schools in fayette. especially whitewater and mcintosh. With all the stuff that both schools have been in the newspaper and on tv for in the past year and a half, people end up just accepting it. Drastic measures need to be taken. We get letters sent home saying so and so did this but what we need is something like a school assembly to talk about the situation.

Submitted by words on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 9:53pm.

i don't get you. if you're saying it's his fault that a bunch of people are ignorant and don't know what's going on then tell me what you've done to get people informed

Submitted by addyb on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 9:40pm.

What are you trying to say?

Submitted by addyb on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 9:35pm.

Your writing is brilliant, and your points are right on. Keep speaking the truth in love.

Submitted by words on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 9:29pm.

Spoken like a true visionary. You know your stuff. I always said you'd be president someday

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Submitted by Hi There on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 9:00pm.

This article appears aimed at McIntosh students which makes a lot of people in Peachtree City angry. Maybe it’s because McIntosh is “known” for all the drugs. Yes, the other high schools have problems with drugs, but not like McIntosh. I’ve heard Starr’s Mill is closing in on the leader, McIntosh, as the “Number 1 drug school in Fayette County.” The facts speak the truth within the Juvenile Justice System of Fayette County. FACT: More of the kids who go thru Juvenile Justice attend McIntosh or live in the district but go to alternative school. FACT: Golf carts give kids much more mobility and ability to find trouble at a younger age.
FACT: Parents have no clue as to what goes on within the path system. FACT: Peachtree City residents on average have a higher amount of disposable income. FACT: the administration at McIntosh would take too much heat from the parents if they cleaned up the drugs by allowing the drug dogs to “sniff out” the cars/golf cart in the parking lots, the golf carts not parked on campus, but in the woods on the path and the hallways/classrooms of the school.
WAKE UP MCINTOSH PARENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Submitted by tiredofit on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 9:36am.

We have just relocated from out of state. The first place I looked was PTC. It looked beautiful on the internet and I thought that the golf cart idea was interesting. When I got there to look at houses, I got such a bad feeling. Of course the Realtor suggested that we should be in the SMHS district as he thought it was "the best school in PTC". Those were his words not mine. I looked all weekend and still couldn't loose that weird feeling I got about PTC. I looked at those golf cart paths, and I wondered about the safety aspect. They looked too private, to enclosed, and honestly too creepy. I think I came up with 101 things that teens could do in those paths that no one could ever find out. Most of all I thought about how easy it would be for some perv to just snatch a kid up with no one ever seeing. I wondered if I'd ever feel comfortable letting my girls travel those things alone. Of course my husband liked PTC because he liked the fact that they had all the trees and had a "county" feel about it. I fought him tooth and nail and we ended up relocating to another town. Thanks for validating the weird feeling that I got that day. If reading this paper, and the blogs have done anything, they have reassured me that we made the right decision in our relocation.

Submitted by MikePatton on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 8:49pm.

yeah but its still really safe here, I think I heard of one rape incident on the golf cart paths in the entire 15 years I've lived in PTC. The cops here are overzealous as hell to the point of overreaching their constitutional bounds and they mostly target bratty high school kids who are afraid of them.

Submitted by MikePatton on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 8:35pm.

This article gives out the names of a few of the McIntosh students... I'm not going to elaborate on where because I think their names need to be disclosed. Also, whats wrong with putting pictures of Bob Marley in your profile? I think he had some great songs. But personally I thought lumping these kids in with the actions of Mr. Johnson was rather insulting, even though I think its completely stupid to use your MySpace to boast about how much you drink or smoke pot and even stupider to not bother to put the profile on private if you use it for the purpose of showing how insecure you are.

Submitted by kay327 on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 9:35am.

those pics were takein ove 2 years ago......
and they dont even go to our school anymore.......
so get ya {{{EDITED AND WARNED}}} right before u start talkin about people

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Submitted by Hi There on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 9:03pm.

The picture of the boys were taken about 2 years ago, and yes they do go to that school. Well, not sure now about one of them as it is printed on one of the pages, FREE NORM

Submitted by kay327 on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 8:51am.

yeah so i love Norm.....
Free Norm

Submitted by tyrone teen 6 on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 5:21pm.

Im a junior in high school, and I'm definitely more mature than you are. This isn't myspace. So calm yourself down. It's a news website. Just chill, ok?

Submitted by somesomething on Sun, 11/11/2007 - 12:08am.

No, I'm more mature than you!

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Submitted by shadowalker on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 12:47pm.

ok 2 years

what the (((edited))) does it matter


Submitted by blazing2006 on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 9:49am.

2 months or 2 years?

Submitted by kay327 on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 10:10am.

the girl hasent been there for almost 2 months....
and tha pic of tha boys was taken like 2 years ago

Submitted by kay327 on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 9:31am. are soooo dumb
that girl dosent even go to Mcintosh High School stupid ass
iam a senior and she hasent been here for almost 2 months so get ya {{{EDITED}}} and facts straight {{{EDITED}}}

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Submitted by shadowalker on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 12:50pm.

2 months , 2 years
2 days

ITs wrong, its wrong and out of control
and your the person that cant get facts straight if you think there is nothing wrong with it


Submitted by kay327 on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 8:49am.

ummmm first of all i know that it is wrong=D.....
and i didnt say that it was right......
all i said was that they took that pic like 2 years ago...
and tha girl hasent been there for almost 2 months.....
so if anyone need to get facts straight it is u

Submitted by wheeljc on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 10:54am.

Based solely upon your comments, may we suggest you spend more time in your English class; learn how to use spell check; further enhance your vocabulary; and.....if we may be so bold .... refrain from blogging when you should be in school at 9:30 in the mornings. You might find that you would garner greater credibility in your comments the future.

Think the Citizen is doing a tremendous job for families, innocent young people, and the public at large for clearly displaying potential problems. Know that the folks in Finland wish they had taken heed earlier -- based on what happened there yesterday!

Submitted by tiredofit on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 9:12am.

I think the citizen did a great job exposing a few of these MySpace teens. What I'd like to see is every town in America dedicate at least 1 reporter at each paper to expose every teen that has a reference to underage sex, drinking, or illegal drug use. If the parents can not watch their kids at home, then maybe they can watch them in public. I wonder how many teens would be saved by being outed by the reporters. Most of these kids on that website are just screaming for attention, as well as help. Let's try to catch our teens by getting them before the tragedies happen. Most police agencies have an Internet Crime Unit. How about having them monitor that website for illegal underage activity. Let's start with the teens that are screaming "right to privacy" first, they'll be the ones with something to hide. It's not just about PTC teens, it's about every teen in America who can not fully appreciate the consequences of their actions. It's about every teen who puts pictures on a website such as the ones we see in this article and think they actually look cool. It's about young girls who pose half naked, and put those pictures on the internet trying to look sexy, when at their age they wouldn't know sexy if it slapped them in the face. I am a mother of 4 daughters, and I do know that you can not watch your kids 24 hours a day. No matter how hard you try to "keep up" with them, they are trying to "keep away" from you, but I have a motto in my house. The motto is: No one in my house has any right to privacy but ME. No doors locked and at any given time, I can walk up to them and say, "check your email, right now, so I can see what you are getting". This is the price they pay for luxuries such as computers and cell phones. I'm not saying that I am catching them at everything, but if my girls are doing anything behind my back, they are sure working for it. I am not making it easy for them by any means. They also know with everything they do, there is a possibility that they might get busted by mom. Since Dad's in law enforcement, everytime they come in from going out, they get a sobriety test. Even if I catch them at half of what they are doing wrong, then I'm satisfied. I know you kids reading this probably think that this is horrible for us to do as parents, but think of it another way. You all will agree that it is hard to be a teenager. With all the pier pressure out there, not only with drinking, drugs, and sex you also have to make good grades, be good at sports, and let's not forget you have the pressure of having to be liked by everyone. I mean let's face it, it's a rough life out there in high school, but it's even rougher if you are doing it alone. As parents we are put on this earth to protect our children, and believe it or not you need us to protect you, and sometimes that means protecting you from yourselves. With pier pressure it may be hard to say no to someone offering you alcohol on a Saturday night, but if you have a parent that will check for alcohol when you get home then you have an excuse for not doing it. You don't have to say yes, just for people to think you are cool. You can always blame it on Mom or Dad. If Mom and Dad are not watching you, than you are out there alone, all alone in a big nasty world, that is already trying to kick your butt. Your parents are your safety net, use them when you need one. Good Luck to all the teenagers out there who are reading this, you have your work cut out for you. Talk to your parents if you need a safety net. Let them know that you appreciate the fact that they trust you, but sometimes you don't trust yourself and would like to be able to fall back on them. For those of you who are doing everything these kids are doing on the internet, then it's not too late to change. It's not too late to stop, and if you can't get the help from your parents, then get it from someone else's. It's not cool, it's not pretty, and it's not sexy. If you don't believe what I am saying now, don't worry, one day you'll have kids of your own,and they will be doing the same thing that you are doing now. We'll see how cool it is then.

Submitted by MikePatton on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 8:30pm.

tiredofit, I'm afraid to see how ballistic your kids go the moment you take your leash off of them... unless you plan on checking their email and breathalyzing them all of their lives.

Submitted by Eliza on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 9:24am.

Your response to tiredofit is strange - I ran a very tight ship when my kids were growing up - they were raised very strictly, with no questions as to who was in charge (their Dad and me). They knew they did not have the option of being somewhere we did not know about, or with someone we did not know and approve. Our attitude and actions were similar in many ways to tiredofit.

When they left to off to college and then establish homes of their own, NOT ONE "went ballistic". They were responsible then, and they still are - and they are raising their kids with much the same attitude, because they know it kept THEM out of trouble, and will hopefully do the same for their children.

Parents who don't realize what a major (hands on) task it is these days to raise good kids who stay out of trouble, are in for some shocks - and maybe some heartbreak.

Submitted by Nitpickers on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 10:28am.

Sounds like you did it ok!
What you are forgetting however is that most parents aren't capable of doing it right!
They are spastic: either say nothing or go crazy and do stupid things. They shouldn't even have kids! If they do however, we have to live with them.

Submitted by tiredofit on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 11:05am.

I do see your point, but I have to disagree with part of it. I do think that most people are capable of raising a child, however, I don't believe that all parents are up to the challenge. Whether it be that they are lazy, to busy with their own lives, lack the sense of responsibility, or maybe it just might be that some are not mentally equipped to deal with trouble from anyone other than themselves. I think sometimes people mean well, but fail miserably. For example, someone who felt like they were not loved as a child may have a child of their own, because to them, they will have one person to love them for the rest of their lives. As a result, that person becomes their child's friend instead of their mother. Prime example of someone who meant well but failed miserably. That person was not up to the challenge of being a parent, because they did not realize that their child needed a mother, not a friend. As parents we should make our friends,not give birth to them. There is plenty of time to be a friend when the child is older and out of your house. I do agree with you though that we are the ones who have to suffer when certain parents don't raise their kids to become productive members of society, and if that's not bad enough,let's not forget, that those kids are going to have kids of their own. We just have to hope that one of those off springs will see the error of the previous generation's ways, and decide to break the cycle.

Submitted by tiredofit on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 10:25am.

I am always honored to meet other "hands on" parents. Just as your kid's parenting style came from you, my parenting style came from my parents, whom were "hands off". That approach made my life much harder than it had to be. This is why I do just the opposite with mine. It's much more work for me, but if it helps them and makes them feel safe than I'm glad to do it. Of course, let's not forget that much of how the child turns out, depends solely on the child. I've seen "hands on" parents turn out rotten kids, and I've seen "hands off" parents turn out great kids. All the "how to raise your kids" books in the world can never explain that. My motto: YOU HAD THEM, YOU RAISE THEM.

Submitted by tiredofit on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 9:02am.

It's funny that you think that checking your kids email and making sure that they are not drinking is keeping a leash on them. Aren't parents supposed to know what their kids are doing? I mean that's the point in most of these blogs right? How are they going to find out if they don't check up on their kids? I already have one grown and in Law School. All of her friends have been to rehab, kicked out of the military, or pregnant. She thanks me everytime she hears about the horrors of old school mates. That's all the satisfaction I need. Oh yeah, I also have another daughter that is graduating an honor student, has a full scholarship to a top rated school, with plans to be a doctor, and I have a 13 year old who claims that after she's a doctor, she's going to live with us forever. Gosh, I must be a horrible parent. I can only hope that you are, or will be a better parent than I am. Of course the jury is still out on the 3 year old. Maybe she'll be the one to go ballistic. Of course right now, I'm the greatest person on earth to her. But I'm sure that will change according to you.

Submitted by MikePatton on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 9:32pm.

Perhaps I was wrong in your case, but its still true that many kids' parents try to keep a tight grip on them and it completely backfires, I've seen it with many people around here.

Submitted by bobby21 on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 11:15pm.

It prob does say she still goes to mhs, the paper needs to higher real journalist, that know how to find the truth.

Submitted by NinaLynn on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 7:44am.

"It prob does say she still goes to mhs, the paper needs to higher real journalist, that know how to find the truth.

This comment is for Bobby21..did I read this correctly, you stated they need to "HIGHER" real journalists? Sorry, but you need to stay awake in English class.

Submitted by bobby21 on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 11:08pm.

Idk what happened to her, all i know is that she left allmost 2 months ago.

Submitted by alex on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 11:11pm.

maybe it still says she goes to mcintosh on her myspace.

Submitted by bobby21 on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 11:03pm.

THE GIRL HOLDING THE GUN DOSE NOT GO TO MCINTOSH HIGHSCHOOL. The paper is just using her pic to attack MHS.

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Submitted by shadowalker on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 12:53pm.

yep and elvis is in tyrone
grow up kid , its not everyone against you
its time to see the facts, a lot of you are out of control
and your parents dont even know it


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Submitted by Hi There on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 6:32am.

Bull!!!!!! Pull up "Miss Wynnmeade"'s MySpace page, look at her pics (pictures) and you will see it is her!

Submitted by fayette girl on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 12:35am.

The girl DOES still go to McIntosh. Unless she un-enrolled in the last two days she is either a student at McIntosh or the school has a former student (as you claim she is) attending classes.

Regardless, the point of the article isn't about the kids going to McIntosh- that's only pertinent because of the girls from last week using MySpace as a means to plot their supposed attacks (one of which went to MHS, the other was homeschooled).

The POINT that just about everyone on here needs to wake up and see is that kids around here are doing stupid things that parents need to be aware of and do something about.

• Of course things like this have gone on for a long time, and no it's not just taking place at one school.

• But, if I were a parent and I had been unaware that this was what (even a handful- although I suspect a lot more than that) of kids thought were "cool" items to post on their MySpace pages- it would be nice to see that a light was being shed on it.

I find it interesting that so many people want to complain about this or that, when the reality is - any sane person should react with concern at seeing these images and reading this account. Rather than pointing fingers, and name calling and nit picking, why aren't you saying, "Wow! That is scary that I live in a community where kids have unsupervised access to guns and they think it's 'entertainment' to pose with them. Wow, these kids have unsupervised access to liquor, and think it's cool to get drunk and high. Maybe I should make sure I know who my kids are friends with and make sure I know what kind of stuff s/he is into."

Even if you don't have any children, this kind of reckless behavior should frighten you at least a little, if for no other reason than the fact that you aren't surprised by it. THAT in and of itself should scare you, because this kind of stuff isn't "normal" or "okay because it happens everywhere and therefore shouldn't be surprising.”

Quit chasing each other's tails and think about where your priorities are at.

(AND FYI- those are NOT fake, airsoft or any other "toy" gun you want to call it- those are real guns that shoot real bullets. In the hands of ignorant people, they can do life-shattering damage.)

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Submitted by Mixer on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 5:26pm.

Well said. Thank you for your well written comments.

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Submitted by shadowalker on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 12:57pm.

hey you i like
thank you for such a great comment
they are acting out and being stupid
and there parents dont care or dont know or both


Submitted by words on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 11:07pm.

THE PAPER IS NOT ATTACKING MCINTOSH! Where in the article does it say Mcintosh is a bad school? So they made a mistake in saying she goes to mcintosh. Don't have a cow over it.

Submitted by alex on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 11:05pm.

Well, you better take this up with the editor. I see your point now.
Where does she go now?

Submitted by bobby21 on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 11:00pm.

The pic of the girl holding the gun dosent even go to mhs anymore. She hasent been going to mhs for allmost two months now. So she dosent have the titile mhs with her.

Submitted by bobby21 on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 10:58pm.

You dont know what your talking about alex. The cheerleader did not say those things cause people were making fun of her size. Your at smhs, you have no clue with whats going on at mhs. When i want info on smhs i will ask you. This isent about those two girls last week its about the paper attacking mhs for no good reason. Those type of pics can be found on myspaces of kids from every highschool in the county.

Submitted by alex on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 11:02pm.

the article says PTC teens though. But they should have looked for students from other schools too.

Submitted by bobby21 on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 10:51pm.

On top of that, the two girls in the pics dont even go to mhs anymore, one of them left last year, if the paper is going to post pics saying they go to mhs, find kids who actually go to mhs and if the paper plan to keep attacking mhs with news like this at least have the right infomation. So to call those two girls students of our school is a lie. I bet if i went looking for pics of smhs students holding alc i could find plenty.

Submitted by words on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 11:00pm.

Get over yourself man! Bad stuff happens. Just because people are doing their job by telling news doesn't mean they're purposely trying to attack mcintosh. do u know how many times whitewater has been in the paper for stuff like this, compared to how long the school has been in existence? I've written on threads alot defending people from my school, but i've never thought the paper was attacking it.

Submitted by alex on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 10:57pm.

I'm sure you could, but not holding guns.

Submitted by alex on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 10:42pm.

here's the website:

Submitted by bobby21 on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 10:32pm.

alex dont you dare bring in those 2 suicides, you didnt know them for crap. how dare you bring them into this. If my memory serves me mhs is not the only school in ptc with rich parents, so i wouldent be talking. I also remember that mhs was number 1 in our county for sat scores last year. The only reason the media is attacking mhs is cause were ranked top 5 % for schools. If we were some shady school, we would of never of made the papers, but were not were top 5 %. Mhs is a top school. not only r we good at academics but we have sports teams that actually make it and win state, has every one forgot the girls volleyball team making it to state. no , everyones to *#***#^* busy trying to bring us down with stuff that goes on at every school in our county including smhs. ALEX WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Submitted by whsdad on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 9:55am.

Bobby21: wouldent
English101: wouldn't would not

Bobby21: we would of never of made the papers
English101: we would have never made the papers
English201: the paper would not have included [MHS]

Bobby21: has every one forgot the
English101: has everyone forgotten

May I suggest that diverting your passion from to your english class would be benficial?

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Submitted by Locke on Thu, 11/08/2007 - 2:48pm.

Would someone please punctuate it, correct the spelling and translate it into English for me?

It is one thing to show a man that he is in an error, and another to put him in possession of the truth. John Locke

Submitted by alex on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 10:38pm.

Actually I did know Sheldon. But I did not know Ashleigh. My heart goes out to the parents. But, don't put Starr's Mill down. I was just angry because people below were putting my school down. And if I remember correctly it was girls at your school who teased that overweight cheerleader to cause her to want to shoot them.

Submitted by words on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 10:42pm.

it would appear that every thread involving high schools in fayette has turned into a rivalry blog. Even the deal with coach heintz at my school has gone from teacher getting arrested to fchs buying their football team this year. Let's all love each other Smiling

Submitted by alex on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 9:54pm.

Awesome, man! I am in chorus, I sing Tenor II. That is really cool that you are getting your music degree. What do you play?

Submitted by mick613 on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 10:18pm.

French horn's my main instrument, but I play piano, trumpet, and a little bit of percussion, too (I'm actually taking a percussion class right now). I also play mellophone, but that's not part of my IS part of my job, however.

You know, if you're lookin' to do some more stuff with chorus in college, and I know this is a shameless plug, but I'd look at Georgia State (did I mention that's where I go? If not, you know!). I've been to a few of the chorus concerts, and they're really good. I mean, if you've already decided on where you're going, that's fine, but if not, you could always consider State.

[/shameless plug]

Submitted by alex on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 10:23pm.

Cool! I'll check it out! Sorry for being a jerk earlier, but some people near the bottom started bashing Starr's Mill. Its amazing how music can bring people together. Oh well anyway, did you hear about the Finland shooting today? I think the whole world's gone insane!

Submitted by mick613 on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 10:32pm.

I dunno, man...give the world some credit. It's just those few bad apples who are making the rest of us look bad. But still, yeah, I heard about the Finland shooting. I just don't understand how someone can think that taking innocent lives is a good idea. I'd been doing some research on this guy (he posted a few journals and YouTube videos before the shooting). Now, I didn't see the videos (they've been taken down) or the actual journal (just a translation), but apparently he kept acting like he was some kind of revolutionary. I just don't understand it.

Submitted by words on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 10:31pm.

i know you both love music. i do too, but the issue at hand here is the myspace weirdos right?

Submitted by mick613 on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 10:34pm.

True, but at least we're not arguing anymore, right?

Submitted by alex on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 10:44pm.

yeah, you're right.

Submitted by alex on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 9:20pm.

Who's the real idiot here, Matt? Cocky and ignorant, attitude? Don't you mean arrogant? I was talking about violence there, buddy. You need to GET OUT. Obviously you were a popular prep in high school, seeming that you care so much about the school you graduated from last year! Aren't you going to college? Oh wait, propbably didn't get a good SAT score considering you do not know the difference between ignorant and arrogant. Stop reflecting on your school that obviously means so much to you and get a job. Oh, and I don't think we had two
suicides in a row two years ago? Shut your mouth before you sound even stupider.

Starr's Mill High School
Class of 2008

Submitted by nike30269 on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 10:07pm.

I dont believe that we have cocaine at McIntosh like you do.

Submitted by whsdad on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 9:57am.

Care to take me up on a bet? I could use some EASY money...

Submitted by mick613 on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 9:44pm.

You're both arrogant and stupid. It's possible to be both (and you're doing a great job of proving it, by the way). Sorry if I was being too complex for you.

And no, I wasn't even close to being a prep. You know what I was? I was (and still am) one of those "band nerds" that are so looked down upon in high school. So yeah, I was far from being popular. You know why I care about my school? Well, I think probably the biggest reason is because of the fact that I still have friends there, and I actually care for their safety (you can yell and scream all you want about how the rumors weren't true, but I take stuff like that seriously).

I'm a Music Education major in college right now, and I plan on getting my bachelor's degree, and then hopefully going on to get my Master's degree from another school so I can eventually go on to teach music. So, yeah, I'm glad to see that you're immature enough to insult my intelligence, but about the two highest scores were in Writing and Critical Reading, so...I'm pretty sure I know exactly what I'm talking about. I know the difference between 'arrogance' and 'ignorance,' and I'm seeing plenty of both from you.

Submitted by alex on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 8:24pm.

Stop trying to put the blame on Starr's Mill. At least we haven't shown up in the paper in the last week like all other 4 high schools in the county have. McIntosh has no right to talk. The knife incident even occured at your middle school. You guys started all of this. From your McIntrash reputation with slutty girls, marijuana in the bathrooms, etc. The kids here are rebellious because they think their parents money will get them out of everything. Chief William is rolling over in his grave!

Submitted by mick613 on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 9:00pm.

I wish I was allowed to swear on this website, because I can't think of any other way to phrase my thoughts towards you. So instead, enjoy this politically-correct rant...that is, if you're not too much of an idiot to read it.

You say that we should stop putting the blame on Starr's Mill. Now, maybe I didn't read over the comments as well as I should have, but I haven't seen a single mention of your school here. Perhaps you're getting defensive for no reason? As if you've got something to hide?

Besides, Starr's Mill isn't exactly the greatest place on earth. For one, your cocky and ignorant attitude isn't exactly helping your school's reputation. Two...I seem to recall an incident in which two 13-year-old girls had to be escorted from a Starr's Mill football game because they were drunk. Oh yeah, your school's just PERFECT...

However, I'm not trying to trash your school (even though we may be rivals). My point is that this kind of stuff happens EVERYWHERE. Slutty girls, drugs,'s prevalent in teenage society...not just at that one school you love to hate. So please, take your ignorance and your bias somewhere else, 'cause I sure as hell don't want to see it here.

Get out.

McIntosh High School
Class of 2007

Submitted by Morrow300 on Wed, 11/07/2007 - 6:20pm.

I'm an adult and am offended that all this article can say is "McIntosh", over 10 times. Lets make McIntosh look as BAD as possible. Not a word about the other high schools in Fayette County. What did this person do, have a slow week in the news & do a search in MySpace? If anyone thinks this is new they are CRAZY. I've got a 21 year old and have been monitoring her internet blogs for 6 years. The Citizen writer acts like this type stuff is new... come on. The majority of the stuff are kids goofing off. Parents need to get their head out of their $E%#@ and get a rein on their kids. The people that write for the Citizen need to get real.

Submitted by whsdad on Fri, 11/09/2007 - 10:13am.

It's the parents with their head in their !@%$! that are most often heard saying "Not my kid..." or "they are just fooling around". It's the parents with their head in their !@%$! that actually believing "it's just a joke" or "they are just kids goofing off".

How many nights do we have to hear yet another news report about a dead teen where the parents and neighbors are interviewed saying "I don't understand how this happened, he was such a good boy..."

I would suggest that you remove your head and realize that no matter how "mature" they might appear, they are physiologically not adults. Their emotions are driven by raging hormones, their ability to make rational decisions has not yet matured, nor has their ability to predict the consequences of a given sequence of actions.

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