"Open up the property to the community?"

“The centerpiece of the plan, however, is the location of a Chinese garden near the rear of the property. Sany intends to open the gardens occasionally so the community may visit them.”

It’s private property. Do you open yours to the community?

”Has anyone but me heard of the "tax deal" they have with us? They will cost us more to support than they pay for many years.”

Why don’t you research what kind of ‘Tax break’ Photocircuits, or Panasonic or Cooper Lighting received? Offering tax incentives’ to corporations in order to woo them into your area is common. Having on site housing is not uncommon either. You and Haddix both need to get out more often.

”I see an elite society approaching! Gated parties, hotel living, no assimilation!”

Absolutely! There will no doubt be wild gated parities for all “NINE” of them. As they’re rotated into the facility for a few months they’ll first spend a year or more learning to speak ‘southern twang’ correctly so you won’t notice their accents.

”Where are the line workers to live? Out of town, I assume.”

I would imagine most of the ‘line workers’ will come from the same areas that the Panasonic or Cooper Lighting ‘line workers’ come from.

”Is there a quota on immigration from Communist China?”

Yes, there is. Look it up.

”I'm sure they won't train any Americans!”

Train Americans to be their engineers, scientists and executives?
Yes, there’s definitely a drug problem here in PTC if you think that an international company needs to train engineers, scientists and executives to operate a business in PTC.

”Lots of questions! Who will build it? What agreements are there, with whom?”

I’m sure that Sany has made arrangements to have the dirt, ditch diggers, concrete and steel flown in from Beijing.

”Why secret?”

It’s only a ‘secret’ to you and Haddix. Everyone else like the President of the U.S., the Governor of Georgia, the State Department, Home-Land Security, the Mayor and City Council and the members of the Development Authority were consulted. Somehow you and Haddix were left off of the list.

”The only reason they are here is one can't import cement trucks!
Our companies could build them here!”

Reference ‘drug use’ above for complete answer to that question.

You obviously aren't reading carefully others problems with all this unusual stuff about the Chinese! Do you possibly have some kind of stake in this?
I don't know of any other companies who have nine or more homes gated in on the industrial property! Who the hell are they afraid of here?
What is to keep them from building ninety more, if they threaten to leave?
The training is about machinists, etc., workers--not engineers. That is the only way they can get in here from Communist China--have a skill not available and required.
You either don't know what you are talking about, or have a stake!
We don't need no stinking communists in here! We have enough trouble with Mexicans.

Companies like Microsoft, Oracle, IBM, Union Carbide and several hundred more have been providing on site housing for some of their complexes, all over the world. The fact that you're not aware of it doesn't surprise me. I'm sure there are other tidbits of knowledge you're lacking.

"The training is about machinists, etc., workers--not engineers."

Actually nitpicker, the question was written as, "Or, can they bring in as many technical and machinist workers as they like?", so please at least try and keep up.

"What is to keep them from building ninety more, if they threaten to leave?"
Probable the available land and the several MILLION dollars they just invested. Not usually something one "walks away from".

What we need less of here are people like you that have no clue what they're babbling about.

"We have enough trouble with Mexicans."
As the Sany people went thru the proper channels, purchased land, will be paying millions for there complex and will be hiring over 100+ locals I fail to see how you can compare them to illegal immigrants that cut grass and wash disses for a living.

Are you against all foreign investment in the U.S.?

I don't remember you complaining when Microsoft announced that it would be investing “Microsoft invests $1.7bn in India“

Microsoft chairman Bill Gates sees huge potential in India
The US software giant Microsoft has unveiled plans to invest $1.7bn (£981m) in India over the next four years.

The company said it would create 3,000 new jobs in the country and pump more money into research and development.

”The top 100 foreign investments in the US account for $1 trillion in annual sales revenue--about the same as the previous year.

What is your problem with a foreign company offering jobs to Americans? If an American company could do it then way haven’t they?

Georgia Governor in Seoul to Drum Up Investment

Sonny Perdue, governor of the U.S. state of Georgia, met with Hyundai Motor Chairman Chung Mong-koo at the company's building in Yangjae-dong, Seoul on Thursday.

Hyundai is building a US$1 billion plant for its affiliate Kia Motors in Georgia. In the meeting, the governor promised full support for the company in building the plant.

Hyundai Mobis to invest in US parts plant to supply Kia

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — Hyundai Motor Co.-affiliate Hyundai Mobis Co. said Thursday that it will invest $78.1 million in an auto parts plant in the U.S. to supply vehicles to be made by fellow Hyundai affiliate Kia Motors Corp.

The plant will supply parts modules to a $1 billion Kia factory under construction in Georgia, Hyundai Mobis said.

Dongwon to create 300 jobs in Meriwether
Another automotive supplier is opening a plant to serve Kia in Georgia, Gov. Sonny Perdue reported from Seoul while on an economic development mission to Japan and Korea.

Dongwon Autopart Technology will build a 120,000- to 150,000-square-foot plant in Meriwether County to serve the Kia Motors plant under construction in West Point, Ga. Dongwon will create 300 jobs and invest $30 million in the facility, which will be ready for production in July 2008. The plant will produce door frames, side impact beams, roof molding, side absorbers and cross bars for Kia.

The facility will be Dongwon's second in the United States.

"As we work with Kia's trusted suppliers, I'm confident that Georgia will continue to benefit from the wave of economic growth sparked by the Kia plant," Perdue said.

You, d.smith and Haddix really need to come out of your caves a little more often.

I am well aware of the car company and the crooked Chairman in Korea.
How many engines will they make here for those cars? How about transmissions? How many Koreans will they bring for the well paying jobs? They are making the junk parts for the cars here so they can import the bulk of the items from Korea.
Also will pay the farmers in middle GA a big WHOOP for salary!
We don't need em.
As to Billy Gates, he just wants cheap labor in India. Engineers and all!
My cave is fully lighted!

If the State of Georgia did not need them then, why did it pursue them?
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Wish I knew!

I will venture one response to posts in disagreement with me and let the readers judge for themselves.

My comments were directed to Sany wanting to construct onsite housing, not protecting their industrial site.

Panasonic has a drop bar and guard, no housing. Tracon is an FAA site with Federal mandates, so it is protected. No housing.

There are no housing developments in PTC that are gated.

And here is the article link bad_ptc was referring to:

EDITED: Link went to NY Times subscriber login page. Google:
Jack Bittner, 59 microsoft
Click the NY Times result.

Don Haddix
Candidate for PTC Council, Post 1
donhaddix.com

And I quote.

"Is Sany a good thing or a disaster for PTC? The PTC citizens do not know because there was no Sunshine on any of the discussions. We don't know the balance sheet of good and bad. There was no asking if PTC wanted this at all."

You seem to have an issue with Sany in general. You act like property was rezoned and we were duped into this entire project.

You then come back and say it's only about the "housing".

I didn't realize someone could misunderstand my comments as to being anti-Sany.

I am opposes to anything being brought into PTC by stealth. Change the name to (fill in the blank) if you wish.

I am opposed to gated housing. Let people be part of the community.

The comments I was responding to seemed to be about gated industrial onsite housing to me. Hopefully this comment will take away any doubts as to my meaning and intent.

With that this clarification, I will allow the posters to discuss this issue and be silent.

Don Haddix
Candidate for PTC Council, Post 1
donhaddix.com

What do you mean by stealth? Has Sany circumvented any of PTC's rules or reg's? Has there been a violation of the sunshine law? It appears to me that they are following all of the requirements put forth to any other industry that wants to locate in PTC. They've filed engineered site plans that have been looked over and unanimously approved by the planning comm. Was that a closed meeting? Is the upcomming meeting before the city council closed? I've been through this process myself. There's nothing secret or stealthy about it.
PTC has had land zoned industrial for sale, and Pathways has pursued industrial prospects for that land for decades. What do you wish to happen to the industrial property?

There was no open meetings on Sany coming to PTC. None.

From Sany approaching the state Goverment down to County and PTC levels, there were no open meetings. It was already approved before it was announced as coming here.

The housing issue is open meeting. The initial coming of Sany to PTC was not.

I call the coming here to begin with stealth, no Sunshine.

What will the Sany traffic load be through PTC, car and heavy hauler, and later rail? What is the economic balance sheet of cost versus income to the citizens and City? Do you know? Were you allowed to ask? No.

Has the Planning Commission been faithful to the Comprehensive Plan in the past? The Council? No.

If you do not mind no Sunshine on these things, that is your right. But bear in mind your opinion, here, when the next announced coming might be something totally different, as in having huge amounts of smell, noise or traffic attached to it.

That is why two candidates want to give the Plan force of law.

I want good business there that hires people who live in PTC that is good for PTC overall. Not all business fits that criterion.

What comes into the Industrial area bears on what PTC is. Do you want Village or something else? PTC is suppose to be Village.

Don Haddix
Candidate for PTC Council, Post 1
donhaddix.com

Watch as super candidate Haddix JUMPS to conclusions in a single bound!!! No research needed!!!

The WORST environmental thing they're going to do at this assembly plant is paint the trucks.

You don't need a calculator to do the cost analysis. VERY FEW police and ambulance calls go to industrial plants (though there is potential for a doozy ala the recent TDK warehouse fire). Doubt they'll be in city court that much. So chalk that up as LOW IMPACT on PUBLIC SAFETY.

Let's see. Nine residences. Can you say LOW IMPACT on RECREATION?

Those nine residences are unlikely to bring very few if any school children into the school system. LOW IMPACT on EDUCATION!

Also, had candidate Haddix bothered to read news accounts on SANY, he'd know they only produce concrete trucks et. al. via special order. Takes ONE WHOLE WEEK to build 1 truck. LOW IMPACT on TRAFFIC; up to medium once they employ more than 100 or so.

Haddix alleges (albiet softly) that Sany WON'T hire folks from here. State development officials have said that's not the case. They're the experts in the field and have worked with Sany on this issue for months.

Let's see if Candidate Haddix will fess up and answer this? How many people have you contacted to seek REAL information about Sany?

Likely the answer is none, at least he hasn't talked to anybody in the know.

Mr. Haddix: The land was ZONED industrial to begin with and yeah, you could've B&M'd enough as a councilman about that and maybe gotten two fools to vote with you. But even if elected, YOU CAN DO NOTHING TO STOP BUSINESSES FROM LOCATING TO APPROPRIATELY ZONED LAND as long as they follow local ordinances, as Sany apparently is.

I had previously thought Mr. Haddix was going to be another Steve Brown complaining all the time about this and that. I've decided however that Haddix is different in this respect: at least Brown bothered to do his homework.

Haddix's comments so mirror some recent racist-tinged free speeches printed in The Citizen that I'm starting to wonder if he isn't the person who sent them in to the newspaper? Makes you think huh?

PTC voters please don't vote in this clown!!!

And that doesn't even address your grammar. I'm voting for the new guy.

Mr Haddix, If the prospect is looking for industrial land and their operations fit the zoning requirements, what do you propose? Do you have a list of approved businesses, or business types that you would like to restrict the landowner, PCDC or any other landowner, from courting? I don't think you could win that one. You could, I suppose, try to eliminate all rezonings, such as the rezoning from GI to LUI, but ,I don't think you can restrict a landowner from selling his land, properly zoned, to an entity that wishes to operate under the previously approved zoning restrictions.

Should all landowners consult with you prior to contacting a particular business? PTC is a village and the industrial park is an industrial park, properly zoned and properly marketed.

Mr Haddix, If the prospect is looking for industrial land and their operations fit the zoning requirements, what do you propose? Do you have a list of approved businesses, or business types that you would like to restrict the landowner, PCDC or any other landowner, from courting? I don't think you could win that one.

I do not have a list of such businesses nor will I even try to create one.

You could, I suppose, try to eliminate all rezonings, such as the rezoning from GI to LUI, but ,I don't think you can restrict a landowner from selling his land, properly zoned, to an entity that wishes to operate under the previously approved zoning restrictions.

No need to touch the zoning. Nor could I stop a landowner from selling to whomever he wished.

But we can regulate what is built upon property. Please go to my website, link in my sig line, and read the materials on moratorium and ordinances. Is is all laid out there.

Should all landowners consult with you prior to contacting a particular business?

No. They will just need to be aware of the ordinances governing development.

I want to take the personal opinions out of it, as many other communities have legally done. Our problem is we don't have such ordinances on the books.

PTC is a village and the industrial park is an industrial park, properly zoned and properly marketed.

The Industrial Park is a component of the Village, not a separate entity. It is under the Comprehensive Plan, Land Use plan and PTC ordinances.

We have the Big Box ordinance in reaction to Walmart, Home Depot and Target. The ordinances you will see on the website work in conjunction with the Big Box Ordinance and zoning. It is not an either or proposition, but both working together.

Indeed, without such ordinances many unwanted developments cannot be stopped. But with them, they can, and have been in many areas of the nation, and are being stopped today.

Please read the materials on my website.

Don Haddix
Candidate for PTC Council, Post 1
donhaddix.com

You continue to bury yourself on issues such as this. You come across as an uneducated hack.

A few folks on this board have tried to tell you quit while you are ahead on the constant bickering. Apparently, the advice has fallen on deaf ears.

If you don't see something strange, then you are in on it!

Everything is a conspiracy in this town. Sure, right, get a life $$.

I'm sorry, "uneducated hack" is too kind for you and your thoughts on these blogs.

”If Sany wants to be in PTC, then it needs to live in PTC, not a gated Enclave, complete with gardens, safely sealed away from everyone else.”

U.S. Companies like Microsoft and IBM have been offering “on site housing” at their facilities for years.

In Japan, nearly 7% of all corporate owned land is used for ‘housing’. That’s down from nearly 9% ten years ago.

You sound like Mr. Bittner below.

"There are two times a day when people come and go to Microsoft that traffic is so bad you have to stay home," said Jack Bittner, 59, a resident of the Grasslawn neighborhood, which is next to Microsoft. "It's almost gridlock now."

Mr. Bittner and his wife have even considered selling his house, which they bought for $86,000 in 1987, and moving to Bellingham, a city north of Seattle. He expects he could get around $600,000 for his four-bedroom ranch.

I’ll tell you what. If you can get a corporation like Microsoft to move in here and clog our streets so that my house value increases from $89,000 to $600,000 in 20 years I’ll vote for you.

You better hurry, I’ve been here for 18 years.

Haddix is clueless on many issues. He would/will complain about most anything.

I fail to see an issue with this proposal from Sany.

I've got to go with Bad on this one. There are already corporations with gated campuses in PTC, Panasonic and the Tracon to name two. I'm not sure if Hoshizaki is gated or not, but most, if not all of the major industrial complexes in PTC have " no trespassing...employees only" policies and signage.
People say they want the industrial park to do well to hopefully keep down their property taxes, and yet , when we have what to me sounds like a good new corporate neighbor, they seem to be less than inviting. They will still have to abide by PTC's strict setback and architectural standards, as they should. I think they'll be a great addition to PTC.

Who's going to man the gates? The Chinese Red Army?

The residential units include three condominiums located within the office building and six free-standing guest villas located at the rear of the property. The residential units would all be owned and maintained by Sany and would not be deeded to individuals

I suppose they don't want their folks to mingle with us 'freedom of speech' types. Goodness gracious alive.... could you imagine them taking our Citizen blogging skills back to China?

However, I'm sure that the purpose of the compound will be well served in preserving the Chi-coms control over it's subjects.

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"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".

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These are the same guys who lost us Korea and Viet Nam! I don't think they are helping Osama!
No, the guards will be Mercenaries from Blackwater, hired in Russia.
I don't think we asked Perdue enough questions.
Did Sonny come here and get the permits and everything?
Maybe they bought another piece of his land!

tell me why do you keep bashing scott ballard
what did he do to you
i grew up with went to school with and played foot ball with
scott, i would say he was the most honest and kind persons in school
never a bad word or thought about anyone (well except you maybe)
but i still dont understand all the bashing

shadowalker

District Attorney Ballard is not being bashed… He is being held accountable. If you had an employee who wrecked company property with a forklift in the warehouse on several occasions you would not say he is a “bad person”, just that he was not doing the job he was hired to do. Ballard, after serving 20 years trying to help people avoid prison, ran for DA which means trying to put people in prison. This is not a case of trashing on Ballard. I’m sure he and his family were all very decent in high school. There are just some legitimate reasons here why we can question whether or not he is the right guy for the job. Heck, after testifying for this guy he never even said he was sorry and never even said he will never do it again. We can assume he still thinks it was a good idea. It wasn’t.

I agree, I went to school with him and I remember him being all around great person. He stood out in a crowd as a role model for others. Can't think of anyone better to be DA. I haven't seen him in a few decades but glad to hear about all his success.

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Build your plant, build your trucks, take your money back to China and never put down roots or assimiliate into the community. Free corporate housing for Chinese management - slave wages for the American workers.