Hillary's Grab Bag of Goodies

This article highlights Hillary's ideas at new entitlement programs. More income redistribution. She is promising our future earnings to other people if they will vote for her. This type of scam should be illegal.

Just Fix Social Security, Dammit!

Hillary's Grab Bag of Goodies

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Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 10/24/2007 - 8:28pm.

I removed my avatar because, as Mike Huckabee said during the debate - "There's nothing funny about Hillary as President"

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“...the term “democrat” originated as an epithet and referred to ‘one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses.’”

Submitted by PROOF on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 12:53pm.

$$ spent on social programs in US. You guys kill me bitching over $$ spent on social programs in our own county but don't seems to blink an eye at the billions spent daily in Iraq. I would rather my tax dollars go to help those in our country who are in need of help rather than to the war monger corporations that are making billions off that illegal war!!

Submitted by Nitpickers on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 1:26pm.

That is Wahhr, real wahhr. Anything goes!
Money, in cash, was shipped over there on large skids right after the fall of the Iraqi army. Most of it simply disappeared. It has to still be happening.

Submitted by PROOF on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 2:33pm.

That does not make it ok. And I question your analysis. How often do you have money "disappering?" No $$ disappeared, it was re-distributed to war mongers. You still have not adequately responded to my comment. We have US National Wars: War on Drugs, War on Poverty....Education.....oh yeah, those are just fake wars to placate the American public.

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Submitted by gratefuldoc on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 12:09pm.

Just a general comment. When it is a gray day outside and for sure when it is raining, shpritzing etc. and your windshield wipers are on even intermittently....... PUT YOUR FLIPPIN' LIGHTS ON! It's common courtesy, safer and in most places/states it is a law. Oh wait, maybe that's just in those awful, un-patriotic, amoral and unethical,Liberal states.


Submitted by wrkhrd4it on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 12:54pm.

I agree gratefuldoc. If it's raining or "spritzing", (us Southerners say sprinkling), you should have your lights on. It is, in fact, the law in Georgia, and has been for many years. During my travels throughout these great United States, I've noticed that many people, in all regions, simply don't get the importance of lights on in the rain or at dusk and twilight. Be it liberal, un-patriotic, amoral and unethical, liberal states ,or conservative states here in the South and elsewhere, lots of people just don't get it. Just because they can see, doesn't mean that we can see them!
By the way, why don't you take a deep breath and relax. Maybe then that " can't stand the South" chip will slide off. If not, you can drag your butt back up North or to the left coast where everything's so grand!

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Submitted by gratefuldoc on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 2:02pm.

Well, thank you kindly sir and/or m'am wrkhrd4it. I'll consider that thoughtful and kind advice....bless your l'il ol' heart. I've gotta ask though, why do you assume that I'm from the North or the "evil empire" that is the "Left Coast". I've chosen to live here by the way. You know what they say about assuming dontcha?


Submitted by wrkhrd4it on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 2:42pm.

You're the uninformed one that decided that only " awful, unpatriotic, amoral and unethical, liberal states" had laws requiring, and a populus capable of, driving with lights on in the rain. I've chosen to live here too, but if I ever move to the aforementioned regions of the country, I won't go on one of the local blogs and trash the folks. That's just tacky.

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Submitted by gratefuldoc on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 4:21pm.

Tacky?!? My, my aren't we one who shouldn't live in a glass house. I believe I said MAYBE it's only those states (meaning perhaps;possibly). As in maybe you should look up the word facetious. I truly don't believe I DECIDED that it was only those places, do you. By the way, approx. 20 states have "wipers on, lights on" laws.....less than half in case you're counting. Methinks you wrk wrk to hard 4 it and no play, play....maybe...perhaps...possibly. Seriously though, why have you decided that I'm trashing folks...do you feel trashed? Have I hurt your feelings or something. Perhaps you should follow your own sage advice and relax and breathe deeply. Tell ya what wrk, I invite you to come on by the office and we can devote a whole visit to breathing and relaxation....unless of course that's gettin' to uncomfortable and touchy feely, new agey or liberal minded fer ya. Remember to look up the word facetious too.


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Submitted by gratefuldoc on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 12:04pm.

Isn't Huckabee from Arkansas??? Hardly a bastion of Liberalism


Submitted by Davids mom on Sat, 10/20/2007 - 5:40pm.

President Eisenhower purportedly wrote in a letter to his brother, Edgar Newton Eisenhower, on 8 November 1954:

Now it is true that I believe this country is following a dangerous trend when it permits too great a degree of centralization of governmental functions. I oppose this--in some instances the fight is a rather desperate one. But to attain any success it is quite clear that the Federal government cannot avoid or escape responsibilities which the mass of the people firmly believe should be undertaken by it. The political processes of our country are such that if a rule of reason is not applied in this effort, we will lose everything--even to a possible and drastic change in the Constitution. This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon 'moderation' in government. Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

Well – we allowed the ‘radical right’ to implement a strategy that would fill the pockets of those negligible and stupid oilmen – and here we are in 2007 with a mess that may take years to correct.

Syria, Palestine, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Iraq, Iran and the rest of the "Stan" countries – what do they have in common that would be of interest to some leaders of the American government? OIL. The strategy of the ‘radical right’ has been to put the fear of the Evil Empire into the American people – and the tragedy of 9/11 cemented that fear – and rightly so. At that time, we had the rest of the world in our pocket! Cowards – Al-Quaida, had attacked us. We were attacked not by a government with a military machine to conquer our land – but a group of fanatical cowards who are willing to sacrifice their own lives and the lives of all innocent citizens to spread their hate philosophy.

Instead of our leaders using all of their intelligence and technology to conquer and punish those radicals – we were led to believe that Iraq was getting ready to attack us with weapons of mass destruction – and that military action must be used to stop this dictator and his military machine before he accomplished his goal. We now have the ‘facts’ regarding that ‘story’.

The country that had the largest number of ‘cowards’ involved in 9/11 (Saudi Arabia) is still our ‘friend’. The family of the man who proudly claimed to be the leader of the 9/11 attack had his family who resided in our country safely escorted out of the US by our government.

The countries that were our ‘allies’ and ‘supporters’ immediately following 9/11 have fallen by the wayside. We have been accused of ‘war crimes’. Our plans for ‘rebuilding’ what our planes and bombs destroyed have been thwarted by ‘insurgents’. We have not been welcomed with ‘flowers and open arms’. Private security firms are being paid more than our brave soldiers. –The funds paid to these private firms afford the private guards better equipment and protection than is provided for our brave soldiers.

Our present form of electing a president is under scrutiny since the 2000 and 2004 elections. Our system of financing political candidates makes us all question the integrity of all and/or any candidate. Our country has not been so divided since the Civil War. Many are rightly concerned about ANY candidate’s ability to get us out of this mess!

Blind belief in the Republican or the Democratic Party is foolish. Emotional attacks against gender, race, or the religion of a candidate are a waste of time and energy. It is time to go to the Congressional and or State Records – which are open to the public - and review the voting records and/or actions that the current candidates have taken on issues that are important to you. Do not rely on articles from the liberal and/or conservative media. There is no ‘savior’ on the horizon. . . .but only the rule of reason administered by the American public. President Eisenhower – a military man who served his country with honor and dignity, was wise. In 2007 – those men whose ideas he deemed as negligible and stupid in 1954 are not negligible in 2007. The ideas and strategies of 1954 have filled the oilmen’s pockets and bankrupted a nation.

Submitted by d.smith700 on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 12:21pm.

She is not my candidate, but I added up her programs and they are less per year than the war now costs per year--and which appears to have expenses ongoing for at least 10 years! Even after we leave!
I also don't think she would overspend 5 Trillion as has Bush!

I would like to see McCain run against either Biden or Richardson.
I could then vote for whichever party I want and feel good about it.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 1:43pm.

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 1:43pm.

That you spend so much of your time telling us why to fear Hillary Clnton and dreadfully little (e.g. no time) explaining the positives of any GOP front runners. I think when you are bancrupt of good ideas, all that is left is attacking those of others. You're actually getting a bit creepy digging up Farrakanisms and obscure noose stories while missing the big picture all together. Ask yourself this: Why don't I have a feel good candidate that I can blog about? Why am I absolutely obsessed with Mrs Clinton? Where and what has my life gone and become? Dude; relax. Have a beer. Think positive. Find someone we can feel good about. Stop preaching to your very small choir. And, Beaver, enjoy a weekend with rain and no Hillary thoughts, if u can.

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by thebeaver on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 3:59pm.

Warthog,

While I appreciate your concern, it is very important at this point to do everything possible to prevent Hillary from getting elected. Heck, I'd even take Edwards or Obama over Hillary - both of those guys' ideas are so screwed up, no one would take them seriously. Hillary is different. She is manipulative, conniving, and dangerous. She will do and say anything for the sake of power.

And you're blaming me for bringing up Farrah-con's own words? It's not my fault that his speach is full of hate and racism.

Warthog, as I have suggested to you many times before - go perform a physical impossibility on yourself.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 8:38pm.

So I point out you and Shawn Hannity's morbid preoccupation with all things Hillary, and you try to in a round about way to tell me to go screw myself. You know where I spend my time. You know my name. You will always have a standing invite to come perform that act for me, but I know you will stay in the shadows. If you want any credibility, start backing up your comments with facts. Take the following:

"I'd even take Edwards or Obama over Hillary - both of those guys' ideas are so screwed up, no one would take them seriously."

Okay Beav. Obama is not being taken seriously to the point that he has outraised each and every GOP candidate(30+ million more than Giuliani and 18+ million more than Romney). He receives more donations from military families than each and every GOP candidate with the exception of Ron Paul.

Beav, if you want to compete with the strong swimmers on these fairly cerebral boards, do what Denise does: Make a point, support it with facts, and wrap it all up with a reiteration of your main point for posting in the first place. Otherwise you seem like someone's kid who got ahold of a logged on computer. Oh, and do try to avoid the profanity you like to inject in your posts.

"Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by thebeaver on Sun, 10/21/2007 - 10:00pm.

Actual quotes from the great thinker, the man whose intelligence knows no bounds. The great, the wonderful, the fabulous, Kevin, "Hack" - AF A-10 ***WARTHOG*** King!!!

”You made me wet myself from laughing so hard.”

“My suggestion: Viagra and a fast sports car.”

“Allow me to assign you a pen name; Fly deek. Dick Cheney; does that offend you? Dick Durbin; Dick Clark. So many Dicks.”

“Oh! I forgot step 1: Take cross outside
2: Now light the cross dumb a@@!”

“But trust me when i say you will find no picture of me posing opportunistically with a gay porn star…………”

“The mormon candidate with 12 grandmothers is the only front runner with the same wife he started with.”

“Greetings,
You heard cricket farts because I was in Zurich admiring how clean everything was (and expensive.)”

“Ahhs gonna sue yous and takes yo haus foe wut yous juss sed!”

“Are we all nucking futs, or is it just me?”

“I'm so happy my kids have not found the Citizen Online. Man, they are safer with guns than with keyboards these days.”

“Aren't you the one who referred to us as shovel noses?”

“They, smartly, only show their butts when they sense the advantage; wusses.”

“I run my trap here quite a bit, but i still know what's really important: BEER!”

“I can't wait for that beer in Tulsa.”

“Let's say you are a doctor and you are studying cycle cell anemia.”

“I'm Kevin "Hack" King, one of the few real name users on the posts. Don't get the wrong impression about me by the way I bit@h slap Dick Hobbs on the posts. He's done some past race-bating that has caused me to not care for him as a human being.”

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“...the term “democrat” originated as an epithet and referred to ‘one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses.’”

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Wed, 10/24/2007 - 10:49pm.

You know you've finally arrived when someone cuts a greatest hits album for you! Just think, if I had told Beave to go back through pages and pages of my blogs one at a time combing them for zingers, he would have said something like, "go perform a physical impossibility on yourself." Now, besides the fact that with me there are quite a few things possible that Beaver falls short of imagining, just imagining how long it took Beav to do that work for me is about the funniest thing I've seen this week (accept for some really really bizarre men in thong bikinis on Copacabana beach). Thanks beav, that was AWWWEEESSSOOOMMMEE! Seriously!

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by thebeaver on Thu, 10/25/2007 - 7:09am.

This only took me about 5 minutes to compile. Your blogs are so full of inane, liberal rantings, I barely scratched the surface.

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“...the term “democrat” originated as an epithet and referred to ‘one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses.’”

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Submitted by JeffC on Wed, 10/24/2007 - 10:57pm.

But take it from someone who has dealt with professional haters, he didn't go back through the blogs page after page. He went to his filing cabinet and pulled your file and just copied the highlighted parts.

You haven't really arrived until you get hate mail written with three different pens with every sentence in a different color than the other sentences it touches.

But you're almost there man and closing fast!


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Wed, 10/24/2007 - 11:08pm.

Do you really think someone would waste hard drive space saving blogs? Eeeewww.

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 10/25/2007 - 8:49am.

Jeff,

Ignore Hack. I'm just glad to know you got my letters. I'VE GOT THIS NEW PEN THAT WRITES IN FLOURESCENT ORANGE. And the whole time I thought you were ignoring my letters. Smiling

Your Pen Pal,
Git,

Just kidding!!!! Don't start calling the authorities. I do hope you carry a defense mechanism or two around with you. Let us know if you need a hand. I'm sure we can round up a posse if you need one.

In the words of Hack.... Eeeeeewwwwwww......

**** GIT REAL TOUGH ON CRIME ****

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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 8:51am.

You gotta admit that most of them are pretty dog gone good. Smiling

**** GIT REAL TOUGH ON CRIME ****

"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".

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Submitted by JeffC on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 9:37pm.

The Beav is only anonymous until election night. Then we can just follow the fire trucks to his house after he spontaneously bursts into flames when Hillary wins.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 9:52pm.

over whether or not to even answer some of this ridiculousness. But the unsubstantiated blanket statements get ooollllddddd. Taake care, and have a great night.

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by JeffC on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 9:56pm.

Just a short year plus a little and it'll be over!


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Submitted by Emmyjune on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 3:19pm.

I'm with the Beav on this one. I am absolutely AGHAST that this woman is running for the Presidency, and could possibly run our country one day. I don't support anything she stands for, and honestly, I don't think she gives a hoot about the American people. She is just a power-hungry you-know-what... with a capital "B".

You make an excellent point, though, about promoting a candidate who we support. I'll keep that in mind. Maybe Beav is a little over-zealous at times, but I understand the passion behind it. In the meantime, I think the American people should really focus on educating themselves about the facts. Unfortunately, not enough of them do. I think Beav is trying to show people how low she really is...

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 9:01pm.

"I am absolutely AGHAST that this woman is running for the Presidency, and could possibly run our country one day."

Emmyjune, anyone who wishes can run for office, can't they? But they won't win (usually) unles they receive the most votes. Votes must be earned. A senator from New York or a Mayor from NYC. Hillary Clinton is a twice-elected Senator, the first ever first lady to make it to the House or Senate. I find that admirable; a success story of education and perseverence. I think those were typically conservative values.

"I don't support anything she stands for, and honestly, I don't think she gives a hoot about the American people. She is just a power-hungry you-know-what... with a capital "B". "

Okay, Emmy. Let's take this conversation up a notch. What are these "things" that you disagree with 100%? I know Hillary is for the expansion and preservation of SCHIP. Contrary to GOP misinformation, SCHIP is a program CREATED by the GOP controlled House and Senate. 80+% of Americans support an expansion of SCHIP. SCHIP is not for "poor people" as the President keeps saying inaccurately. The "poor people's" health care program is called Medicaid.

"I think the American people should really focus on educating themselves about the facts. Unfortunately, not enough of them do."

I agree Emmyjune. So now we know that SCHIP was created by the GOP-controlled house and senate (why do they never tell us that?), we know that it IS NOT the healthcare program of the impoverished (Medicaid is). What else can we learn? We can learn that Hillary does not support healthcare for illegal aliens. All of her programs are for legal state residents and US citizens. Why do we never get that fact straight?

Someone is going to be our next President. They are going to have to deal with a sagging economy, increasing bancruptcies and foreclosures, Iraq, Al Qaieda and a still-living Osama Bin Laden, Turkey and Iraq and Pakistan, and Afghanistan. They will (hopefully) keep us out of pre-emptive war part II with Iran. After listening to the top three GOP frontrunners try to outmacho eachother on their eagerness to strike Iran with or without Congressional approval, Hillary does not seem scary to me at all. Presidents illuding to WWIII scare me. What do you think about these issues, EmmyJ?

Cheers!

Kevin "Hack" King

ps: I noticed you have supported Beaver's rhetoric before about "bleeding heart liberals" giving "handouts." I encourage you to click on beaver's name and view his history of posts. Very telling. Do you support his views in general or in full?


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Submitted by JeffC on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 10:29pm.

One of these models of integrity?

Rudy Giuliani on Gun Control and NRA

Romney on Abortion - 2002

I like this one too. Sorry for the disreputable source:

Romney's Hunting Experience Limited to Two Trips


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 7:20am.

You can put all the lipstick you want on that megalomaniac but when you done you still have a megalomaniac with a lot of lipstick.

Me, I'm taking a good long look at Edwards and Obama.

The GOP needs to thin the herd a little more before I get more involved with their issues.

I, like several over the past few years, have abandoned traditional party lines. I'm simply looking for the best candidate for the job.

I've come the the realization that Clinton can't be trusted. Period! That family has zero credibility with me and a large chunk of Americans, D's and R's alike.

The way I see it is if the D's were to dump Clinton the R's would have a much harder time of it. Clinton is distracting a lot of D's time and effort by having to constantly defend her to the detriment of better, more qualified and more electable candidates.

Remove the obstacle and the race can continue along real issues between the candidates. The longer you keep Clinton in the mix the more confusion and distraction the D's have to counter. Not very productive.

If more people like you and Hack spent more time supporting a candidate that didn't offend so many people, from both parties, your goals could be achieved much faster and easer.

Besides, just think how nice it would be if people like Hannity had nothing to talk about. That man is like nails on a blackboard to me. When his show comes on I turn my radio off! That alone should be a good enough reason to dump Clinton.


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Submitted by JeffC on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 12:46pm.

I may have confused y'all. Right now I'm for John Edwards and have been even before his infamous haircut. If I could just select one of the candidates it would be Richardson. I think Obama would make a good VP candidate. Everything else is just my conversational opinion on the election.


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Submitted by Shelby Barker on Sat, 10/20/2007 - 8:03am.

These top runners have little integrity. Everyone says they are tired of the same old politics, yet we keep falling for their tricks. Romney and Guiliani don't stand for whats right, they stand for what will win them elections at the time. We need someone who has been consistently for the 2nd amendment, who has for ten years been fighting abortions, and also fighting for the sanctity of marriage. That person has a record of getting things done, even when he was governor of a Democratic legislature. MIKE HUCKABEE . I challenge everyone to look at Mike, tell me where he has changed positions simply to run for president. Tell me where he has failed at driving conservatism in a liberal state.

The only argument I have heard against Mike, is that his last name is to "hillbilly" .

The only way to beat Hillary is get a candidate who is a true Christian conservative to run in the general.

Huckabee 08'


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Submitted by gratefuldoc on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 11:58am.

Ya know what?...I was listening and actually liking some of what you were saying.....until. Can't a candidate just be plain old conservative......why do you have to throw flippin' religion into the mix. That just ruins it for me and MILLIONS of others! just askin'


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Submitted by JeffC on Sat, 10/20/2007 - 1:30pm.

I want to encourage you to hang in there and fight for Mike. I’m not for him and I’m not going to be but I like your spirit and I hope you’ll stay with us and blog throughout the campaign.

I fear you came into politics at the wrong time and are supporting a party that has sick values and which has given in to being terrorized to the point of supporting torture, extraordinary rendition, suspending Habeus Corpus, illegal wiretapping and in general being willing to give up any freedom if they can be told it will increase their safety. Also, I’m afraid that you will find that they will promise anything to the value voters only to abandon them when they have power. Since this works for them time after time after time, I guess I can’t blame them politically.

But don’t give up; eventually the pendulum will swing back your way.

Lordy, I just saw where Mike doesn’t believe in evolution! Take us back to the middle ages.

Hang in there Shelby.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 10:18pm.

that only the Beaver answered the your bugle's call. The rest of us are a bit more concerned about, sayy, the budget, foreign policy, keeping Turkey out of Iraq, nukes out of Iran, people out of bancruptcy, the government out of our emails and closets, etc.

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 11:09pm.

The rest of us are a bit more concerned about, sayy, the budget, foreign policy.........

Come on Brother! You're a better man than to say something like this. If that corrupt witch and and her evil political machine can't be trusted with the little things then how in the world can we expect her to be trustworthy with the big things that you go on to mention.

Do you really think Hillary, Obama or Edwards can do any better than the Republican line-up in managing the budget? Foreign policy, keeping Turkey out of Iraq, nukes out of Iran, etc., etc?

Please be intellectually honest. The way the Clintons govern mirrors that as to how Putin dictates. In fact I think Putin took lessons from these clowns.

The only credible candidate that the Democrats have is the former Governor of New Mexico.

The most credible candidate the Republicans have is the former Republican Governor of Arkansas.

The rest of the pack are a bunch of worthless political hacks that each side will support regardless of how destructive their so-called leadership is to this country.

Why can't we be honest and admit that both these parties mirror each other in corruption, waste, and the destruction of our constitution and the rule of law.

We act like this is some kind of damned football game and the only thing that matters is if our side wins a playoff title or not.

Is your pride and disgust toward the Republican party and the Conservative movement so strong that it matters not as to how corrupt and ineffective the Democrats and the Liberal are? Are you so stubborn that you accept the clowns that your side is putting up, just as long as the Republicans are done away with?

Why are we allowing this to happen to our country? Come on Hack. Do you really think Hillary Clinton or John Edwards gives a flying Warthog about you and me?

What the heck is the matter with all of us, that we can't even unite in common sense matters these days. 50 years ago, a bunch of clowns like we have in Washington would have been run out of town a long time ago. Regardless of party affiliation.

As a free nation, I fear we are doomed. Enjoy what you have while it is short lived.

Cheers! It's time to hit the hard stuff.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 10/20/2007 - 12:16am.

I'm on the couch with the Mayor of Goldsboro, NC beside me. Me and dad are night owls, but this will definitely be my last post of the night. We're watching Bill Cosby on Meet the Press (TIVO). Here is a quote of mine from above you friends may have not fully absorbed:

"Someone is going to be our next President. They are going to have to deal with a sagging economy, increasing bancruptcies and foreclosures, Iraq, Al Qaieda and a still-living Osama Bin Laden, Turkey and Iraq and Pakistan, and Afghanistan. They will (hopefully) keep us out of pre-emptive war part II with Iran. After listening to the top three GOP frontrunners try to outmacho eachother on their eagerness to strike Iran with or without Congressional approval, Hillary does not seem scary to me at all. Presidents illuding to WWIII scare me."

Someone WILL BE ELECTED our next president Git and Hutch. Git, unless you can show me an independent who is not seeking office for power's sake, will speak their mind regardless of polls and handlers, and can ACTUALLY GET ELECTED, I will be voting for the Democrat that wins the democratic primary. Why? Again, as I've said many times, I want our combat roll in Iraq to end. That requires the unelectable Ron Paul or any democrat. I wanted the minimum wage to at least pace with the cost of living. That passed because America voted in democrats in large numbers last year. I don't want to see laws of marraige different for lesbians, gay men, or heterosexuals. That is a democratic idea. I want to see more people covered by some type of health care. That would require a democrat in the white house. I want to see increased mine safety and aviation safety; cleaner air and an EPA and FDA that protect us against lead-based toys and tainted food. The GOP appointees have not earned my vote in those departments. I do not think condoms and oral contraceptives are inherently of a "culture of death" as the President's family planning woman feels. I can't support her or her appointers. I do not feel torture is EVER an acceptable AMERICAN tactic. I do not want a President prone to pre-emptively attack Iran.
These are REAL issues. I do not see where I can reconcile my views on these issues with an electable independent (whomever they may be) or an electable republican.

Guys, remember: The next President will have to earn votes from the majority of states and voters (theoretically). If you feel the voting process is flawed (electoral college, hanging chads, etc) then no president, in your view, can ever be fully legitimate can they? If you feel voters are too stupid to vote their hearts, we will never have a legitimate president in your eyes. That is for you to deal with. I will work within the process we have. My feelings swung heavily away from the GOP because of the 2004 GOP campaign not FOR GWB, but AGAINST John Kerry. In the 1970s, Kerry foolishly threw his medals over the White House fence (maybe). In 2003 The GOP foolishly put the sacred Purple Heart Medal on a band aid. They wanted to attack John Kerry's medal. In doing so they created a way of thinking that the Purple Heart awarding process was structured such that people could write their own medals. This called into question the Purple Heart on the chest of every veteran, living and dead. I was sickenned to a point where I realized that winning (as you put it Git) was more important than ANYTHING ELSE!

I'll cast my vote based on the above issues. No one will put the fear of terrorism in me to change my view on all other issues. No one will make me think gays will destroy my marraige to get my vote to change. If Hillary, Barack, Joe Biden, John Edwards, Richardson, or Dodd are that bad, they won't win. No worries. But if no one steps up and gives Americans on my side of these issues a reasonable alternative, we may be looking at our first female, Latino, or black Commander in Chief. And if that happens guys, know that it was because of the failure of conservative leadership. Good night and God Bless you gentlemen!

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 10/20/2007 - 10:55am.

Hack, you Git, Hutch and even Jeff are all making valid claims.

To address just some of your concerns I offer the following.

Do I think the electoral college needs to be overhauled, yes. Do I think it will if ever happen, not in my lifetime. When two convention centers full of loud mouth drunks can spend a couple hundred million in four days determining who I ‘have to vote for’ there is obviously room for improvement.

As far as determining who should and who shouldn’t be allowed to marry I don’t think our government should be getting into that but on this rare occasion both our government and almost every organized religion in the world agree. Scary ain’t it. If Bob wants to live with Bubba or Jane wants to live with Nancy, I don’t personally give a darn. I do have concerns about how such unions if they will have effects on other existing laws. I’ve not taken the time to research the subject in depth as I don’t see it happening in my life time.

National insurance policy, I’m not particularly interested in socialized medicine. Can our current system be enhanced to provide greater coverage? Yes it could but at what cost? I’m already paying close to a trillion $’s for a war only one person wants. Do any of the D’s or R’s have a viable solution that won’t cost me more money? How about we roll back some of the existing entitlement programs that I don’t use and am already paying for to fund increased health care?

How about canceling NAFTA and stop the hemreging of jobs out of this country? The business model that says if a product can be made cheaper it will sell more is a pipedream as there won’t be anyone left who can afford it at any price because there are fewer consumers who are left working. The entire concept of a ‘global economy’ is a nice thought but it’s the U.S. that’s taking the greatest hit because we are having to lower our standard of living to that of most of the third world to achieve that goal. Only 1% of the American population is benefiting from NAFTA. The increase in corporate reinvestment is being done in other countries, not here.

You want the government to come up with a cure for increasing bankruptcy’s and foreclosures? Why? People that overextended themselves via home mortgages they couldn’t afford are the cause of the problem, not me. Why do I have to pay to fix their bad decisions? I guess that’s why they can’t afford health care.

Now how about addressing some of my issues.

I want to be able to afford to send ‘my’ kids to college. I want to be able to provide ‘my’ family affordable housing and health care. What I don’t want is having to use my hard earned money to pay for someone else’s kids. My wife and I both went to school and paid for it ourselves. We worked and did without until we could afford to get where we are today. We both have relatively good jobs that we worked hard to get and keep.

The idea that the U.S. needs to compete in a ‘global economy’ is correct. The idea that the U.S. needs to lower its standard of living to that of a third world country in order to accomplish that is wrong.

There will always be the have and the have-nots in this country unless you plan on taking notes from say China.

Are there close to a million families in this country that don’t have health insurance? Yes. Are there over 11 million illegal immigrants in this county sucking us dry to support them and their families? Yes. Seems like a good place to start to me.

The bottom line here Hack is that we’re not free to choose who we want as our next President. We’re left to pick who we don’t want or who we think will cause the least amount of damage. That’s the problem. I don’t know the answer to how we fix that but I do know it needs fixing.

The world is full of problems we can’t fix regardless of how much money gets thrown at it. I’m just tired of watching everyone take their turn at throwing ‘my’ money.

All I want is someone I can trust. I can dream can’t I?

P.S. It has been said that the best man for the job might be a woman. If a woman was running I might be willing to find out.

Can you honestly say you ‘trust’ Clinton?


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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 10/20/2007 - 10:18am.

Why do I have this picture of you and your Dad laughing your heads off at the 'snoring' mayor of Goldsboro? You left him out as being one of the Night Owls. Give your Dad and the mayor my regards and treasure your time with Dad.

Whew! Where to start? Puzzled

Regarding your quote Hack, I can't disagree with much of what you say except "Hillary does not seem scary to me at all". Dude? Are you sane??? The Republican line-up scares the heck out of me. The Democrat line-up scares the heck out of me. I can't believe that with the ominous future we face that you would justify a vote for someone as corrupt and unstable as Hillary is. Good grief man... If you've followed her over the years and listened to how she panders and flip flops on positions in office and on the campaign trail, I can't see how anybody could possibly support that windbag. Now before you go throwing Giuliani, Thompson, McCain and the rest of the pack in my face, I say save it. I find everyone of those clowns unacceptable and several of them contemptible. I can't believe that you would settle for Hillary Clinton.

I want our combat roll in Iraq to end. That requires the unelectable Ron Paul or any democrat.

This war is not about about Iraq. I want out of Iraq too, but our fight in Iraq has nothing to do with Iraq at all. It has to do with the "Evil Empire" of our day, Radical Islam. When we view Iraq we need to look at Syria, Palestine, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, and the rest of the "Stan" countries. We are facing a fragmented evil giant that if we allow them to come under the control of one mad man, our somewhat civilized world is probably doomed. Irregardless of which party is in power we will remain in, and fight in that part of the world for a very long time. For ANY candidate to suggest the solution to our already existing World War III (terrorism & Islamofacism) is to merely pull out of Iraq is purely insane. I confess in advance Hack that I do not know what the solution is or what it even looks like. Neither do all these other politicians running their mouths. The fact is that if the Democrats were in office we would be in the same boat we're in now. The only difference is the battle lines may have been drawn a little differently. We need to fully face the realization that we're going to fight these evil predators regardless of who is in office and no amount of negotiating with them is going to change that, short of us becoming a Muslim nation. Personally, I will have my head head whacked off with a dull machete before I yield to those evil {{{SELF EDITED}}}.

I wanted the minimum wage to at least pace with the cost of living.

Relying on the minimum wage to help those who minimally help themselves is about as ridiculous of an argument as me expecting the Fayette County Government to enforce the leash laws. It's a worthless and useless hope. The minimum wage is a joke and does nothing but hold down the clowns who put their faith in their government to prop up their pay checks. The minimum wage has never and will never help out the people it supposed to help. An understanding of simple economics and an honest review of the results of the minimum wage prove that out. The minimum wage is no more than a political talking point thrown about in an attempt to buy votes. And buy votes it does, irregardless of it's uselessness.

I don't want to see laws of marraige different for lesbians, gay men, or heterosexuals.

I can't even believe you would include this as an important issue in any presidential race. With all the issues that we face we get "queer marriage" thrown in our face? Give me a break. We've got a Republican Governor in California that has banned the words Mom and and Dad from being used in the schools. We have a school system in Maine handing out birth control pills to 11 year olds without their parents notification. You've got a huge movement within your side of the aisle working to lower the bar in regards to having sex with underage young people. And you're telling me that "Homo Marriage" is something worth fighting for? That's just plain sick and weird.

I want to see more people covered by some type of health care. That would require a democrat in the white house.

That's a ridiculous statement Hack. Period. Every American has basic health care provided for them in this country. And that is improving all the time regardless of who is in control.

Let me ask this question. If Health Care Insurance is a "Right" that every American deserves then what benefit do I have in staying productive, paying my way and trying to earn a better life for myself instead of just quitting and letting you take care of that for me?

I want to see increased mine safety and aviation safety;

Who doesn't. Mine safety and the technologies associated with it have improved year after year. As in aviation, we will will always have tragic accidents in these industries. The only way to eliminate the potential dangers of mining and aviation entirely are to close the mines and ground the planes. How ridiculous would that solution be. Every day that goes by finds that these industries are operating in a safer manner and that new technologies and methods are being developed and implemented all the time. The accumulative effect is that we are improving in these areas all the time. And it does take time whether we like it or not. This is not a campaign issue.

cleaner air and an EPA and FDA that protect us against lead-based toys and tainted food.

Yeah, like Hillary and her Chinese funding is going to protect us from poisoned food and toys from China. How in the world to you think a Democrat is going to do this? There is not a politician in Washington that has what it takes to stand up to China regarding this issue. All we'll get is a bunch of lip service. Boycott Mattel! I'll guarantee that'll get some results. Stop buying Cheap Chinese Junk and make an effort to buy domestic and perhaps we can make a dent in this issue. Do you realize how big we would have to grow the FDA and the EPA to get this done? I say instead of creating more government bureaucrats we create more producers in the workplace so we won't have to buy that garbage from our enemies. China is laughing their rumps off at us as they dump their toxic waste on us.

I do not think condoms and oral contraceptives are inherently of a "culture of death"

If it's broke throw a condom at it. Yeah.. Condoms and contraceptives...the "cure all".

I do not want a President prone to pre-emotively attack Iran.

Me neither. I also don't want a president who ignores this situation and allows the "Evil Empire" the opportunity to strike us in order to justify their hate, earn their way into heaven, and please their rock god.

These are REAL issues.

Some of those are "REAL issues". Some of them are ridiculous issues. Immigration is a real issue. Neither party will address it. Especially yours. They might offend a potential voting block. National security is an issue. The "Flattening of the World" economically and technologically is an issue. We're going to find out just how useless managers, computer hacks, insurance agents, government workers, and lawyers are in the coming years as the rest of the world competes against us. We lazy Americans had better figure out that we had better re-discover the ability to produce something and get our hands dirty in the process. We had better learn how to stop buying houses, cars, and electronics that we cannot afford. Man I can go on and on and on. But, I'm already sounding like $/Smith,Nitpicker. Shocked

If you feel the voting process is flawed

Whatever??? What does this have to do with this discussion?

but AGAINST John Kerry. In the 1970s, Kerry foolishly threw his medals over the White House fence (maybe). In 2003 The GOP foolishly put the sacred Purple Heart Medal on a band aid. They wanted to attack John Kerry's medal.

Wrong Hack. The reason John Kerry's medals came up is because people that served with him despised him as a soldier and desired to expose him for the slithering snake that he was. It has nothing to do with the Purple Heart and it in no way demeans any veteran and his service. John Kerry is a shameless and proven weasel and is the last person I'd desire to go into combat with. The only thing John Kerry will fight for is John Kerry.

I was sickenned to a point where I realized that winning (as you put it Git) was more important than ANYTHING ELSE!

Like your side is any better? Give me a break. I'm sickened too. And I'm sickened with the Republicans. What I'm more sickened of is people like you and Jeff C who come on here pretending like those pathetic goons you guys have lined up are any more virtuous than the pathetic goons that call them selves Republicans. You are dishonest to hold your Hillary, Edwards, and Obama up as righteous and mighty warriors for the people of this once great nation, while ignoring their ignorance, corruption and hypocrisies. By blindly supporting your party you refuse to honestly look at the destructive path that your support of these clowns is leading us down. I've examined my former party and I have concluded that they are as useless and corrupt as I have always known the Democrats to be. The difference between you and I is that I refuse to enable these clowns. We have become as corrupt as any country out there these days. Look at our city, county, judicial, state and federal agencies. We as a nation should be ashamed of ourselves.

we may be looking at our first female, Latino, or black Commander in Chief. And if that happens guys, know that it was because of the failure of conservative leadership.

Get over it already Hack. Conservatives do not give a rip as to whether we have a female, Latino, or Black President. Who cares. What we care about is that we have a leader that stands for and preserves the qualities of character and the laws that made this country great in the first place. Get over the color thing. We don't really care. We want a leader that will preserve and protect this great nation, it's sovereignty and it's great way of life and opportunities for ALL.

Perhaps my friend, you need to take a look at what your fighting for and move out of the darkness and back into the light.

Man. Puzzled Did I come unglued or what? I've really tried to stay out of these useless debates regarding our government. When I look at the useless hacks we have in both parties running this country it occurs to me that it is no wonder the rest of the world "rolls their eyes" at us and does not take us seriously any more.

Look at what we've got. Bush, Kennedy, Reid, Westmoreland, Isackson, Mitch Seabaugh, Trent Lott, Pelosi, Biden, Giuliani, Barney Franks, Larry Craig, the Smolas, Logsden........

We're supposed to be a great nation and this is the best we can do?

God save us from ourselves.

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 5:29pm.

VIDEO

I believe this is the man that is Hack's dad. Smiling


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Submitted by Tug13 on Wed, 10/24/2007 - 11:06am.

Wow, he's going to have everybody moving to Goldsboro, N.C. Smiling

Hack, tell your Dad thank you for his service in Vietnam. Smiling


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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 6:12pm.

Seems like quite the gentleman to me. Looks like Hack was brought up properly after all.

What say you we sneak a call in to Mayor King and find out what Hack's real nickname was while he was growing up? You know how dad's like to tell stories about their little boys. The ones that tend to be a little embarrassing! Eye-wink

Let's hurry before he lands that bus and wises up to us. Evil

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Mon, 10/22/2007 - 6:32pm.

"Seems like quite the gentleman to me. Looks like Hack was brought up properly after all." Smiling

Guess that's why I have an IOU for 1+ tire changes!

Wonder if those stories would be anything like Rick Ryckeley's? Puzzled

Just hope that Hack doesn't like cucumber facials and questionable massages, too! Laughing out loud


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Wed, 10/24/2007 - 11:02pm.

for the kind dad words. Denise, you are an incredible resource. I haven't even seen those videos before.

Dad is a charmer and has a great sense of humor. He'd tell you my nickname was "boy boy" or "sonny boy" for being the yung 'un. That's all you guys get. I wish I knew more about you all. I absolutely guarantee that we would hit it off!!!! And Denise, there is no tire limit; honest! Git, what say you and I organize a Cattleman's Steak house reunion in OKC for the circle of bloggers. I'll chip in the buddy passes and you buy the steak Smiling. Deal?

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 10/20/2007 - 11:41am.

Basically, I told you who I would vote for and why. You told me all of my reasons were ridiculous and offerred no alternatives; interesting. An example? Gay mairrage is such a "non-issue" that conservatives put it on the '04 ballot. Interesting non-issue, eh?

Let's tackle a few concepts:

1. My dad and the mayor are the same person. He, like me, is a military veteran. He served in Vietnam twice. You said this:

"The reason John Kerry's medals came up is because people that served with him despised him as a soldier and desired to expose him for the slithering snake that he was. It has nothing to do with the Purple Heart and it in no way demeans any veteran and his service. John Kerry is a shameless and proven weasel and is the last person I'd desire to go into combat with."

Let me tell you what one vietnam vet, my father, sitting right here beside me says: "John Kerry, in my eyes, was a warrior. I served in that war with him. I'd serve with him again." All but one of the men on Kerry's boat supported him, Git. Let's not rewrite any history here.

That is not theoretical, Git. So, please, do not try t speak for US! You can not. You can say SOME seaman mostly on OTHER ships and in the OTHER political party did not support him. That is, if you wish to be more accurate.

The minimum wage is important to those who receive it (and there are people who are paid no more than the law allows). Some companies pay even less (to undocumented workers). Why is that Git? Just because gay marraige, the minimum wage, and healthcare are not issues for you, conservatism, I take it, puts no values on those issues. Well Git, believe it or not, there are people who are not poor who actually think of how to help poor people get themselves out of poverty. There are people with healthcare trying to figure out how to help part time working single parents with none.

If you think no one could run the war on global terror better than what we've seen from conservatives, I and most of America disagree with you, Git. So, you wouldn't fire an employee with this level of performance? You'd just keep sending them in to prove their inability to git 'er done?

A doosy from you, Git:

"What I'm more sickened of is people like you and Jeff C who come on here pretending like those pathetic goons you guys have lined up are any more virtuous than the pathetic goons that call them selves Republicans. You are dishonest to hold your Hillary, Edwards, and Obama up as righteous and mighty warriors for the people of this once great nation, while ignoring their ignorance, corruption and hypocrisies. By blindly supporting your party you refuse to honestly look at the destructive path that your support of these clowns is leading us down."

So Git, where did I say that my candidates were more righteous? That territory belongs to the "moral majority" not me. Get a grip, brother. That is a wild comment lean on justification. And personally, I think I serve a country which STILL IS GREAT! That's how I can speak my mind with confidence.

Git, I'll close with this quote from you:

I said:

"I want to see more people covered by some type of health care. That would require a democrat in the white house."

Your reply?

"That's a ridiculous statement Hack. Period. Every American has basic health care provided for them in this country. And that is improving all the time regardless of who is in control."

Git, exactly how in touch with reality is conservatism? If you say that every American has basic health care and it is improving, you had best come armed with facts.

If your point is don't vote because it doesn't matter? Sorry, but I'm voting. If your point is "I must vote conservative because you say so" sorry again. I'm not sure how your opinions devoid of support are supposed to change my vote, but I'm afraid your post has reaffirmed all of what I believe of what is called "conservatism":
Me, me, mine, and the war must continue; the war fought with our tax dollars against all the "stan" countries? Yeah, okaaayyyy. Enjoy the weekend, and hope you unspool soon.

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 10/20/2007 - 7:54pm.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Sat, 10/20/2007 - 7:52am.

Good morning brother, I don't have a problem per say with the Dems{at least no more then I do with the Repubs} my problem is with Mrs. Clinton. Like I said before with anyone but her I feek I can vote for someone and not just against someone. I voted against Kerry, not for Bush, the top office in our land and these two clowns were the best we could do? I feel the same way about Mrs. Clinton. There's no doubt in my mind that if it took yours or my deaths to get her elected, we would be dodging hit men as I type. It's a sad country we live in today in that I can't find anyone I truly like to be our President and that the field is so narrow. Have a good day brother I have a band competition later today and tonight and it will be another late night for the hutch.

I yam what I yam...Popeye


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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 10:27pm.

I hope that anyone but Clinton gets the nod, if she gets it I will be reduced to voting once again against someome, instead of for someone.

I yam what I yam...Popeye


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Submitted by Cyclist on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 4:20pm.

I'm not thrilled about her platform either. But, I'm getting a little concerned about the GOP's ability in fielding a strong candidate. I know it's early and her campaign can imploded but I'm worried.
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