My understanding of the way traffic signals are secured is that someone (developer or city) does a traffic study of existing conditions and submits it to DOT to see if it meets "warrants" aka the fancy rules.

OR the developer can take his anticipated traffic counts for Kohl's, etc. (based on other Kohl's stores) and probably have enough cars to "justify" a light.

Without Kohl's, there won't be as much projected traffic to truthfully petition for a traffic light.

A right-in, right-out should suffice. ESPECIALLY if the development is connected to Planterra Way as it should be. Then it could be served by the EXISTING light at Planterra. (I know, the neighbors don't want that either) BUT access to Planterra via the access road that can't be done was ALWAYS a part of the plan put together for the city, and I believe that was done by a citizen's advisory committee.

By the Way: if the city sells the Line Creek streets to McMurrain, what stops it from going across Planterra Way and selling the land the tennis center is on? I'm not sure of the acreage, but that would be one heckuva way to raise city funds and pay off the tennis center debt!!! (Of course, you know I'm being sarcastic... but it would actually work.)

I've got to go to the air show but can anyone find out what smaller boxes might fit in under 35K sq. ft.? How 'bout Old Navy, PTC doesn't have one of those either?

In some brief reserach I've found they call 35K and under "junior boxes" and I've found reference to a junior box Kohl's going in Colorado. (Colo Springs Gazette; Dec. 22 '06).

Can be stopped in many ways:
Don't sell them the streets they need.
Turn down their request and keep asking for stuff til they disappear!
Let them sue.
I could go on.

However, it won't happen. Those voting know where their butter for their bread comes from!

I know the family who owned it - they couldn't have been nicer. I'm sad their business didn't make it.

Another predictable restaurant casualty in PTC. 2 things get them every time.
1. Puffed up demographics that look as if we have lots of disposable income and eat out 5 nights a week. Reality is different among the house-poor majority.
2. The city's endless desire to tinker with site plans and retain the "uniqueness" of PTC. Result is restaurants that have no exposure to the highway, a small sign, poor access and inadequate parking. But the buildings look nice and have lots of landscaping.

Does anyone see a trend?

Every red-blooded American has the right to go broke and our politicians will let them all do so.
Your insight though is correct: elite little places with expensive cucumber sandwiches and $3.00 soft drinks only fly in San Francisco.
And, the rent is way too high in most of our strips for any food store.
If I don't want another steak, I usually don't know where to eat in Peachtree City! Spaghetti, Tacos, and fried rice also get old!
We need a large, high-quality, country food restaurant with very consistent quality---run by Americans. Menu or cafeteria, ok.
A Cracker barrel or a clean Ryans, or a Red Lobster, or believe it or not, a good Cat Fish Hollow, would help. Somewhere you could eat at anytime and get something you weren't tired of eating.
The uppity atmosphere of the "Avenue" will die.

I am very sorry for the family, but shouldn't this be a lesson for the City Council. PTC does not need any more retail. We have to much vacant space already. What happens when Kohls can't make it. I understand that Bombay Company is in Chapter 11 with an intention to auction off parts of the company. Speculaters say it won't be long before the company shuts the doors completly. Then we'll have another empty space. There should be some kind of incentive to the revitalize our existing shopping centers so that the occupents don't take off for newer prettier space. Plumyummi moved behind the avenue, so did Mud Pies. We can not give our city away willingly.

is the plethora of retail/office space that is vacant behind Mellow Mushroom & La Hacienda on Hwy 74, and they are still clearing land to build MORE. It's crazy! There are vacancies all over PTC, not to mention around Fayette County, and I really don't see how they will all get filled.

And, no, we DON'T need a Kohl's - that's just stupidity on top of craziness.

It was very sad to see SFBread close its doors, but not all new businesses are struggling. Johnny's NY Pizza & Rita's seem to be thriving. PTC is a tough market to survive in though, and it seems to me that we have more retail space available than we have a population to support.

We have more open and empty retail and office space available, than the empty space in all of our councilFOOLS heads combined.

But, you know the councilFOOLS motto, if there is a tree grownig, we need to cut it down for a big box that will be empty in a year.

So ....I have to ask......who or what buisnesses are going to fill all of the spaces left open by buisnesses that have failed???

Maybe mcBULLY will open up a store and sell....hmmmm....lets see, what would he be good at??? I know.... he could sell bullcrap, lots of people need mulch for their plants, or maybe books on fairytales and fables.

and has been for decades. So, regardless of whether a Kohls, Hooters, Quick Trip or whatever goes there it will be commercial area. Even before you get over to Fischer's Crossing look at the shopping center being graded for where the Days Inn used to be. There will be a gridlock regardless of what brand of store(s) is built in these areas. I can see traffic backed up all the way to PTC going to Fischer Crossing. (think Bullsboro Drive). That's going to be what causes the traffic problems. Peachtree City will still be here in 10 years, it'll look more like Fayettedale.

I listening and LMAO. So you remember PTC in the eighties? I remember when there was no PTC and the area was called Shakerag. How do you think the farmers and other land owners felt when they were pushed out in the sixties and seventies?

Every person who moves to their little haven in PTC thinks "somebody" should close the door and not let anybody else in. That door is wide open, and there's nothing that can or will be done.

Suz, I too am not in favor of the rampant development on the west side and, yeah, although unrealistic, I wish someone could have closed the door to PTC when I moved in three years ago.
However, I must make comment of your reference to the farmers and landowners that were pushed out in the sixties and seventies. You can bet these folks didn't have their property seized and most likely sold willingly for hansome profit. The original developers of PTC took a lot of financial risk in buying up thousands of acres of what many people felt was worthless old farm and wetlands with the vision of a unique planned community.

I agree that the original developers took a financial risk, but I am not talking about the original investment. I am talking about the property owners who owned smaller acreage and eventually had to sell whether they wanted to or not when PTC grew up around them. Newsboy had relatives on both sides of this fence. He knows what I mean.

I was right there with you and feel the same way. I remember when people complained they had to drive to Fayetteville for groceries. Greenbriar was the mall of choice unless you went downtown. You could go to McDonald's if you drove to Newnan. Riverdale was a nice area to live in and we hung out at Old National after football games.
My how times have changed. I've seen so much a Kohls store doesn't seem like the devil. Everyone is going to be shopping at Fischers Crossing anyway.

Were we at the same forum? Only O'Toole was against the Big Box on Seat 1?

Did you miss my statements the Big Boxes have negative economic and traffic impact on PTC? That I was totally opposed to Kohl's, Big Boxes and any more super shopping centers?

Amount of bribe? Where did I ever indicate anything that would appeal to a developer to offer me a bribe?

So, you loved Tom O'Toole saying he doesn't need a moratorium to get it all properly in place? He knew exactly what needed to be done and he would do it? He, alone, would make it happen. Ready to make it happen right away.

Last I looked, it took 3 votes to do anything. But he never spoke in any terms other than HIM doing it. He had all the meanings and methods in place, now, and was ready to do it all, immediately.

A bit naive, don't you think?

And he is also going to get all the security, cart path and other issues fixed by just making it all more efficient using exactly what we have now, with a no new tax pledge to boot.

Where did we hear that one before? But of course, his having moved here recently would not make him really aware of this past election reality.

Time to clarify what Mike Harman said:
1. He personally does not like or want Big Boxes.
2. You cannot legally stop a developer from building what he wants on his property. (a false statement but essential to where this leads)

Thus he has plausible deniability for, after the election, voting to sell the street to Kohl's because even though he personally does not like Big Boxes, you cannot stop them, or just about any new development, because of property rights.

Toss redevelopment into this, with his want to bull doze whole existing older developments and 'redevelop,' not remodel or rebuild, them, and we have years of new and higher density construction in our future.

By the way, O'Toole also supports redevelopment. Look at his site. He wants to redevelop PTC into a Green PTC, but not quite the way most think this means. Reduced carbon footprint, lower fossil fuel consumption and less pesticide use, in example. At the Forum, on his website and in his writings he dwells on Green.

What does that mean? Higher density to cut sprawl? Mass transit?

Don Haddix
Candidate for PTC Council, Post 1
donhaddix.com