I think I hear what you are saying.

In this time in our history, we should not have anything that exclusively panders to one race.

The exclusive tree thing is a weird idea. The links from several interviews and news stories suggest that this was not a white tree at all. It was a tree used by everyone. This whole idea of "white" tree was a story cooked up by famous jobless al and jessie.

That being said we should not have a tree set aside for any race.

We should not in my opinion have any college, scholarship fund, churches, beauty contest, movie channels, etc. dedicated to only one race.

When we have all of these special groups it looks as though blacks are saying in America do as I say, not as I do. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

The fact that so many people from that town both black and white say the tree was for everyone to sit under, discredits the false cry of racism.

I have seen some of this in my own workplace. A few years ago 3 different black employees claimed that they had recieved letters laced with vicious racial slurs. Through handwriting analysis, and security cameras,and finger prints it was proven that these indidviduals wrote and placed the letters to themselves. All 3 were probabtionary employees who were not doing well or performing up to standard.

How many more years will this continue? How many more years will blacks continue to segregate themselves via black only colleges, churches, contests etc?.

I have to ask this question: What would happen if we established a whites only college??? What if whites followed the black lead and created their own college and or university?

Finally, someone who understands. Thanks for stating it so much better than I ever could.

I have little to say about that since you did a pretty good job of making an ass of yourself.
I would only ask you to elaborate about how many "kinds" do you estimate that there are?

I read your entire post while, somehow, holding down my dinner. I have no doubt whatsoever that you are actually very familiar with that neck of the woods. I'll just sample one of your very memorable comments:

"Let's just say that CNN, OMG...I can't believe i'm saying this, but let's just say that CNN reports were correct, and the tree was meant for "white people only." What's so bad about that. Aren't we all allowed a place of our own?"

Short answer Mr. old south: No. On a public school campus, you are most certainly not allowed all black or all white trees. This is because we are a nation of free people Mr. tired, and when you try to restrict the movements of people due to skin color, sex, or religion, you strip away the freedoms that people like myself, Hutch, Mixer, Maximus, Gump, Armymajretired, and many others have fought for. You have much growing to do. And the fact that a white tree somehow seems reasonable to you does not give me very much hope. White trees are wrong. Beating people for reasons other than self defense or defense of others is wrong. And good old fashioned segregationist thinking is wrong .... and sad.

Kevin "Hack" King

Hack,

You wrote "You have much growing to do. And the fact that a white tree somehow seems reasonable to you does not give me very much hope. White trees are wrong. Beating people for reasons other than self defense or defense of others is wrong. And good old fashioned segregationist thinking is wrong .... and sad."

I agree with everything in your comment. Wouldn't you also agree, then, that BET, the Black Caucus, Miss Black America, etc, etc, etc are wrong because the are exclusive?

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“...the term “democrat” originated as an epithet and referred to ‘one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses.’”

But realize the Miss Black America and NAACP organizations are a once bitten twice shy type of reaction. Blacks have not been playing Agusta or Sugar loaf very long. Republican candidates still are reluctant to attend debates held at traditionally black universities. Alot of blacks are slow to trust that all Americans are colorblind. But I do long for a country where color factions don't exist. But imagine if the DNC and the RNC melded. Would that make sense? Do we turn women loose on Augusta now, as divisions using race and gender seem quaint and unfair? I don't know how we'll make that leap. But we can start with reasonable discussions, like this one!

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King

The question was, is it wrong to have separatist groups like the Black Caucus, Miss Black America, etc. etc., not if we need to move toward "normalization". You can't fight racism with more racism.

Well Hack, Right or Wrong? It should be easy. Pick one.

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“...the term “democrat” originated as an epithet and referred to ‘one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses.’”

What about it? "Is it wrong to have separatist groups like the Black Caucus, Miss Black America, etc. etc."?

What about "‘black bleachers’ where honkies dare not tread”?

"Any modern movement needs to be focused inward, on what blacks are doing to themselves or what we're failing to pragmatically respond to.

"If you want to stick it to the man, let's police our own neighborhoods. Let's snitch. A lot. Let's make our schools so good they're suing us to get in. Let's take care of ourselves . . . . Any one of these will do more for us than a thousand Jenas."

"The Jena 6: Right Problem, Wrong Protest" by Debra Dickerson -- Blog post at Mother Jones (objectionable language)

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Excerpt from Debra Dickerson's An American Story

"It was clear to me that black people chose not to work very hard in the military. Why else would so few number among the linguists, the commandos, the pilots, the officers, the academy grads?"

"I was embarrassed to be one of so few linguists and I was embarrassed by the sharecropper intonations and low-class lack of home training."

"There was an assumption of familiarity that made me uncomfortable. I was sure they'd want to 'talk black,' make fun of whites, scoff at the Air Force. Then there were the liberties black males felt free to take with me. Sotto voce, they called me 'baby' and wanted to know when they were going to get 'some of that sugar.' When I refused to respond to their vulgarities, I was menacingly called 'sister,' a word often used to extract behavioral concessions from someone you hope will be too afraid of group disapproval not to back down. It means: 'Don't forget you're black; act right or I'll call you a Tom.' I got called 'Tom' a lot."

"The 'Head Negroes' (self-designated arbiters of all things sufficiently or insufficiently black) tried every form of negative reinforcement to make us behave. There's a Head Negro anywhere there are African-Americans."

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In The End of Blackness: Returning the Souls of Black Folk to Their Rightful Owners, Debra Dickerson "challenges black Americans to stop obsessing about racism and start focusing on problems they can fix. The way out of the ghetto, she asserts, is to take a good, hard look in the mirror. Get angry, Dickerson says, but use that anger to fuel excellence and civic participation rather than crime or drug addiction . . . . She urges blacks to let go of the past and claim their full freedom. It’s only by shaping their own future, she argues, that blacks will finally abolish the myth of white superiority."

we're free to attend but not to participate?

ah ha, the old "F" word. Freedom also belongs to the people who are saying things you don't want to hear. If I thought you were the kind of person that would listen to reason, I'd elaborate.
Really? You fought for freedom?? Uh, cuz I see you are in the Air Force. Oh yeah, you were support for the fight of freedom, I guess that counts.

In one post you both attack and defend the same principle,{one race having something all to themselves, seems a little confusing to me, which side are you for? If you were a regular on this site and not just a person with a whole day under your belt, and maybe had read more of Hack's posts you would know that he is a fair person. If you make a legitimate point he'll concede to it. Before you denigrate someone's service let's hear about yours, are you a vet? Have you fought for freedom? What constitutes fighting, what makes one branch of the sevice better then another? Lets hear more of your wonderfull ideas before we change your name from tiredofit to fullofit.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

I was having an internal debate on whether to even justify such a hollow critique of my military service with a response. A person who is not even worthy to judge the kiwi on my boots has to have alot of nerve to even "go there." But Hutch and Tug, you've given him an example of what having someone's back means. We don't ask if a slighted person is republican, democrat, lib or conservative. When someone says something soooo stupid, we all roll in to give a spot correction. Hutch, this isn't the first time you've checked someone into the boards. I wish we could have served together... honestly!

Kevin "Hack" King

I might not defend your politics but I'll always defend your service.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

I don't always agree with Hack, but I don't always agree with anyone else either.

Hack is a fair person, a good man with a good heart, I have a lot of respect for him.

I think fullofit fits.

Thanks Tug, Hack's a more forgiving person then I am, or ever will be.
I expect to see you at the next home game, we only have two more this year. You have to see this half-time show, it's great and Tommy Webb has this team cooking this year. For $7.00 you won't find better entertainment or more excitement.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

What is a "your not?"
I know what a knot is, but not a not!
Could it be my knot?

Some folks have no sense, but 100 cents sure make a dollar.

Welcome back,Kotter--I mean dollar.

What does dollaraday mean?

Nitpicker is Dollar! Maybe I just " smoked him out". No one writes quite like 'da Dollar! The constant negativity is also his trademark. Now for positive confirmation, we'll just have to sit back and wait for him to start blog threads and then answer his own questions.

Doesn't Cal have a rule about bloggers having multiple monikers on here? I remember this guy named Get Real and his side kick the Agressive Progressive. Remember when Cal made an example of that scofflaw?

I've got a feeling ole Dollar's gonna outwit ole Cal on this one.

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