Big box Kohl’s welcomed by PTC Planning Commission, neighbors

Tue, 09/11/2007 - 3:56pm
By: John Munford

Developer Doug McMurrain — responsible for Peachtree City’s Wal-Mart, Home Depot and other westside area shops — has won over the hearts and minds of many neighbors in the Cardiff Park and Planterra Ridge subdivisions, at least when it comes to bending the city’s big box rules for an 89,000-square-foot Kohl’s department store in their collective backyard.

In fact, McMurrain’s chief nemesis throughout the 18-month give-and-take with the neighbors — Cardiff resident Tim Lydell — made an impassioned Powerpoint presentation in support of the project in a workshop before the city’s Planning Commission Monday night.

Even residents Phyllis Aguayo and Lynda Wojcik — two of the city’s most staunch development critics — admitted that the plan presented by Lydell had much to like.

But former Mayor Steve Brown countered that McMurrain hasn’t met landscaping obligations for his stores along the north side of Ga. Highway 54 West, noting that no document can guarantee McMurrain will landscape the area as promised.

Brown argued that hundreds of residents sent in surveys several years ago saying they were opposed to building big box retail stores in Peachtree City, and he encouraged the Planning Commission not to forget those people.

“The traffic over there is going to go crazy,” Brown said.

Brown also criticized McMurrain for his “bluff” by drawing up a site plan that featured a Hooter’s restaurant, a Pep Boys auto parts store and a QuikTrip gas station in an effort that McMurrain has admitted to using as a tactic on homeowners who were resistant to his improved Kohl’s plans.

Manny Guerrero, president of the Planterra Ridge Homeowner’s Association, said others have said McMurrain was bluffing with that plan.

“I don’t want to call his bluff,” Guerrero said, worrying that if the site is developed without the Kohl’s, it could turn out looking “ugly.”

“... If you want to call the bluff, you’ve got to be willing to pay the price,” Guerrero added.

McMurrain has said he has $8 million tied up on the property, and after a year and a half of working with neighbors on the issue the time is nearing to take action one way or the other in terms of developing the parcel.

Beth Pullias, president of the Kedron Hills Homeowner’s Association, said that of the 194 homes in her neighborhood, about 85 percent of the residents opposed big box stores. She expressed frustration that more residents from other areas of the city didn’t come to the meeting to express their views on big boxes, and noted that many of her fellow homeowners have told her: “You speak for us.”

“We don’t want this. We didn’t move here for this,” Pullias said.

The Kohl’s would be almost two-thirds larger than the city’s maximum store size allowed under city ordinance for projects on land zoned general commercial. However, the City Council can grant exemptions to that ordinance for certain projects.

In this case, though, the city will have to not only allow that exemption but either sell McMurrain the current city streets on the property or swap the streets for other land. Last week council indicated it would consider such a proposal, and McMurrain has offered to pay fair market value for the property, which he has estimated at $500,000.

Without Line Creek Drive and Line Creek Court in his possession, McMurrain lacks enough room on the site to build the Kohl’s store.

City Councilman Mike Harman attended the full meeting, notable since he is likely the swing vote on council as to whether or not the city will allow McMurrain to take possession of the streets through a sale or land swap. Harman did not speak during the meeting but was present on the front row in the audience.

Harman was appointed to the council last month after serving as the chairman of the city’s Water and Sewer Authority.

McMurrain has retained the landscape and hardscape architect responsible for The Avenue, and he has pledged to make it as nice or better than The Avenue in that regard. Lydell’s presentation showed three different courtyard areas, each with fountains, and the main entry drive has trees not only on either side of the road but also in the median.

Lydell pointed out that the Kohl’s shopping center, dubbed Central Park at Line Creek by Capital City Development, is roughly the same size in terms of square footage and acreage as The Avenue, and it also would have about the same amount of parking spaces.

Lydell said Kohl’s has committed to having a tower feature and adding awnings along the storefront, both of which a store representative initially told Lydell “Kohl’s doesn’t do those.” The company even changed the color of the wall behind the Kohl’s sign to make it less obtrusive, Lydell noted.

A tree-lined entry drive with trees ranging from four to six inches in diameter will screen half of the large retail buildings from view by passing autos on Hwy. 54, he noted, “because we want shade now, not 10 years from now.”

As far as traffic created by Kohl’s being a concern, Lydell noted traffic would also come with smaller stores too. And because there’s a Kohl’s roughly eight or nine miles in either direction, the Kohl’s will not have a regional draw, Lydell added.

Capital City Development will erect a stop light for the shopping center between MacDuff Parkway and Planterra Way, McMurrain has said.

Lydell admitted that light would likely slow traffic down on the highway.

After Lydell’s presentation, Brown said it took 12 years for the city to get Hwy. 54 west widened, it it could take longer before it will be widened to six lanes.

Aguayo questioned whether McMurrain’s development can be held to performing on the list of conditions including the landscaping plan. McMurrain responded later that the conditions can be enforced by city staff and also would run with the land if adopted by the City Council.

Brown added that during his tenure as mayor four different developers presented plans to him for this tract, and none of them had big box stores on them.

Resident Doug Sturbaum, who is running for City Council, questioned whether allowing Kohl’s would create a precedent that could open the door for other big box stores in similar circumstances.

City Planner David Rast noted that at a meeting last week that City Attorney Ted Meeker said he didn’t think council approving Kohl’s would create such a situation.

Lydell, in his presentation, argued that big box stores don’t have quite the impact on police services, especially compared to those at The Avenue.

Several planning commissioners agreed that the plan has improved significantly since when it was first presented to them. Commissioner Patrick Staples, who lives in Cardiff Park, said he remains against big box stores, but he felt the shopping center addresses elements important to Peachtree City, including providing “a sense of place” and a family-oriented atmosphere.

Commissioner Marty Mullin asked what could happen if the Kohl’s leaves the store. McMurrain said he will have the option to buy the building back from Kohl’s and lease it, and he suggested that the city could possibly have that option as well if it wanted to.

“I just want to keep it from being an empty shell,” Mullin said.

Wojcik said she was concerned about the Kohl’s taking so much business that it would force the store in Fayetteville to close.

In addition to the 89,000-square-foot Kohl’s, McMurrain’s plan includes two attached retail buildings: one at 28,000 square feet and the other at 25,000. There are also smaller retail buildings along the frontage off Hwy. 74, with the larger stores at the rear of the property near Cardiff Park.

Lydell noted that McMurrain has pledged to reforest the buffer between Cardiff Park and the rear of the shopping center. McMurrain has even said he would allow residents to select the kind of trees that are planted to screen their backyard from the shopping center, Lydell noted.

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Submitted by yellowjax1212 on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 1:03pm.

"And because there’s a Kohl’s roughly eight or nine miles in either direction, the Kohl’s will not have a regional draw, Lydell added."

Even if everybody in PTC were to become regular customers, how will a store this large survive?

Will McMurrain give the city a right of first refusal to the next tenant or will we get an even bigger Good Will store when Khols folds up shop? Sure, Right!


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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 6:11am.

That's a bigger part of the story than an airline pilot praising a developer or even the developer's extortion plan with Hooter's.

A store that large must draw from a 10 mile radius or 50,000 people to survive. This is the time that city council can actually do something about the empty store problem. Turn it down now instead of all the handwringing in 3 or 4 years - like we are doing about the baby Kroger's now.

Put pressure on the new councilman big time. He is the only hope. Let the developer do his Hooter's - that may actually survive, but if not it is only a small space to fill.

Back to my old picture, so I can say "I don't have a dog in this fight" with real feelings.


Submitted by winer on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 9:32pm.

PTC Kohls folds tent. Largest Strip Bar north of Macon to move in!
54 Poles on 54. No Waiting Great:(

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Submitted by ahavah_lachaim on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 7:57am.

Former Mayor Brown turned down numerous developments over the years for that plot and we never ended up with a Hooters, an auto parts store, or another gas station. It's slippery slope logic to assume just because we resist the Kohl's development, we'll end up with some strip club or bar. The PTC council does have standards.

"Lord help me not to focus on what I give to you, but instead see the power of the one that I give to..." Jonny Diaz


Submitted by Jones on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 9:05pm.

The Lydell guy is throwing his subdivision under the bus.

Kohl's is what they call a "category killer" and my neighbor who is in local clothing sales says they target all of the adult and childrens apparel stores as well as fashion shoe stores and price them out of business.

What does this mean for the Avenue stores, Stein Mart and others?

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 10:22pm.

walmart is known all over the country for killing locally owned buisnesses.

Look at the kind of low quality stores mcBULLY builds, he is the same jerk who stuck us with walmart/drug sting, and home-no-customer-service.

This guy obviously has no clout or he would have contacts with first class companies.

Hellloooo mcBULLY pst riverdale is calling you back. Some off-duty cops have been working hard to clean up their walmart. They need a new development by you so their cops have a new place to set up drug stings.

Submitted by PTC50 on Tue, 09/11/2007 - 9:45pm.

What's going to happen to the park and trail's? The survey tape goes right across the pond. It is right to the edge of the pond in other place's. That a great place for those who have not been.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 09/11/2007 - 4:59pm.

Are those people happy? Are they just too afraid of the big buisness bully to say anything??

Last week the developer mcBULLY said he thought those same streets that he wants would be worth only 700.00 dollars, this week mcBULLY thinks they are only worth 500.00 dollars.

First of all why are we letting mcBULLY tell us how much he "thinks" they are worth??

Second of all even the smallest of roads seem to always cost at least 1 million to build.(that's how the council and commission keeps justifying those tax increases)

How much did we spend to build those roads? Let's add that figure to what property costs per acre here then add on the appreciated value.

Can't mcBULLY find a better company to deal with him? Hmm, probably not.

Submitted by Jones on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 9:09pm.

Hey Skyspy, ever had T.J's Two Buck Chuck wine? I've heard good things about it, but I don't want to drive all the way to the north to pick some up.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 10:12pm.

It is very good. It does well at wine tastings all over the country, according to one wine distributer. I wish they had a Trader Joe's here.

Whenever I am on the Northside of town I stock up on it. Which is easy to do at 2 dollars a bottle. Bring a cooler so you can stock up on some of their other foods as well. They have great coffee and it is 2-3 dollars less a pound than Publix.

It's worth the drive.

Submitted by Davids mom on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 8:49am.

The Fayette County family would love Trader Joe's! It was one of the standout stores in California - offering interesting casseroles and condiments for the 'hurried' housewife. Their breads and cheeses are to die for. The Trader Joe buyers in California obviously did their research and stocked their stores with those items that the community wanted. The customer service was outstanding. The stores were in the high-end/though working communities where people appreciated quality goods at an affordable price. We always try to stop at Trader Joes when 'up north'.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 09/11/2007 - 4:41pm.

Don't dare blame the City Council in 10-15 years when Big Lots is in your back yard.

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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 6:14am.

I feel comfortable blamming THIS city council and Logsdon if they let this Kohl's thing go through. It has a very predictible future - close in 3 years.

Back to my old picture, so I can say "I don't have a dog in this fight" with real feelings.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 9:13am.

My comment was directed to the neighbors that stood in front of the Planning Commission and practically begged for this development.

I stand against it, and I have let the Council know.

I do think if it is built, it will last longer than 3 years though. Kohls has shown pretty good staying power in the Atlanta area. In looking at this development, I think it fits better than the Target Center myself. I also to think it will hurt some of the retailers in the Avenue.

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