Goodwill-Sandy Springs

PTC residents,

Please visit the Goodwill in Sandy Springs @ 237 Johnson Ferry Road, Sandy Springs, GA 30328 (NEXT TO TARGET)

This store is indicative of what kind of store Goodwill builds today. Here is a list of Landlords/Developers that have Goodwill as a tenant:

Ben Carter
New Plan
Developer's Diversified

Do any of you people actually think these landlords would do anything to HURT the value of their shopping centers????

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Submitted by Citizen_Steve on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 6:56pm.

Like it or not Goodwill fits the demographic of many of the nearby neighborhoods - take a drive through some of them if you haven't been through in a while - you'll be surprised. Don't blame Kroger for PTC's failure to address blighted areas. My hope is that Goodwill will put Ross out of business and maybe we can have that Trader Joes or Whole Foods in Kedron.


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Submitted by Indocumentado on Tue, 09/25/2007 - 4:53am.

Where is the Goodwill going to be anyway?
Me and the muchachos are tired of driving to Newnan to get our clothes and stuff and keep hoping we will get a Goodwill right here in PTC. You see, a lot of compadres are moving into this area, I have some 23 relatives getting ready to cross the border anytime soon relocating to beautiful Wynnmeade, Kedron Vllage (where I live now) an other beautiful PTC locations soon.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 09/25/2007 - 5:06am.

Watch your kids in goodwill. Child molestation is the no.1 crime in that store. Do a google search of walley, goodwill and crime.

Don't worry you still have walley-drug-sting to shop at here. The cops love walley it is a great place to set up drug stings.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 10:01am.

In the area immediately surrounding the center in question at Peachtree Crossing, the average sales price is 303 Thousand. This includes neighborhoods behind the center, and across Hwy 54.

Braelin Center, the numbers are 238 Thousand..This includes neighborhoods north, south and east of the center.

Kedron Center, the numbers are 390 Thousand. I think most knew the numbers here would be the highest, what most don't know is the value of the homes in the area of Peachtree Crossing.

All numbers are from GAMLS. I didn't single out neighborhoods, I simply searched from a grid, putting the centers at the geographical center.

Now you tell me, if you still feel the same way. And as others have pointed out, this is purely Krogers greed, and not caring one bit about what happens in our Community. I personally, haven't been back to Kroger since this news hit.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 11:54am.

kroger showed their true colors. Personally I don't think they are a loss. They said they don't need us, let's show them that we don't need them.

Shop anywhere but kroger. Whether they know it or not they aren't the only game in town.

Submitted by winer on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 9:13pm.

No Kedron Trader Joes for you!!! Kroger is in the Kedron Shopping Center. They have exclusive lease. Kroger won't let Trader Joes or Whole foods locate in same shopping center. That is why there is no Super Target. Kroger has veto power for their neighbors- they call the shots in 3 major centers in town.

Submitted by Jones on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 9:16pm.

The Target sells groceries. I've seen it with my own eyes.

Submitted by winer on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 9:35pm.

Target in PTC does sell food. But in the retail lingo and following Kroger's lease it is not "groceries". Can you buy celery there?

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 7:39pm.

As to what the homes in the area are worth, or are currently selling for. You're better off talking about things you know about. There are homes in many price ranges within walking distances of the center.

Submitted by ATLtoPTC on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 7:26pm.

Many of the nearby neighborhoods are still quite nice! I personally know of many professional, financially sound families who live in the area. And yes, there are some neighborhoods that have lower income homes, but the neighborhoods are by no means "run down". However, putting in a Goodwill store might just help those neighborhoods become more run down! Is a "blighted" PTC what you want? Or, should we insist on a quality anchor store for Peachtree Crossing?

The facts: The landlord of Peachtree Crossing does not want Goodwill as the anchor. The small stores of Peachtree Crossing do not want Goodwill in their shopping center. The neighboring neighborhoods also do not want a Goodwill store in their backyards.

Peachtree Crossing is in the heart of our beautiful city. Do we want all the communters who drive down Hwy 54 to see a run down shopping center or a thriving, attractive shopping center full of quality stores that bring revenue into our city? What happens to Peachtree Crossing WILL affect the property values of the surrounding neighborhoods and ultimately the image and value of Peachtree City.

If Goodwill wants a location in Peachtree City, maybe there is a more appropriate space along Hwy 74 south in a free standing building. Peachtree Crossing is not an appropriate location.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 7:40pm.

I guess he's right. Many, not all mind you, of the neighborhoods are in that price range.

Submitted by Citizen_Steve on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 8:20pm.

The neighborhoods closest to the shopping center across 54 sell in the mid 100's to low 200's and include many rental properties. Certainly there are more upscale neighborhoods nearby and those residents won't be the ones shopping at Goodwill.

Believe me, I'd rather see Peachtree Crossing upgraded - it is in a great location and could be a charming place. Unfortunately the easiest development $'s in PTC still lie in building new shopping centers vs. upgrading existing ones. Were the city to hold fast on its zoning and ordinances our existing shopping areas would hold their value longer.


Submitted by winer on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 9:25pm.

"Across 54" is not the homes closest to Peachtree Crossings. The homes and businesses closest to the center have the most to lose.

This isn't just about who shops at Goodwill. Unless they have someone taking donations 24/7 it will also be about who dumps at Goodwill.

This particular problem isn't about zoning or ordinances. That problem is rearing it's ugly head on the west side. This is about Kroger's corporate greed. Why is it their corporate office laughs about a boycott and how their corporation will survive without any stores in Peachtree City? Yet they won't let go of the lease because they are afraid of competition moving into that space. Ignorant Greed?

If Peachtree Crossings were to be demolished or upgraded, do you really think the independent store owners could afford the rent? It would just be more Avenue style chain stores. They have their place and Peachtree Crossings has a lot of great niche shops that could easily disappear if Kroger Corp get their way.

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Submitted by poipendicular on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 8:22am.

I am curious as to the lease agreement. Kroger doesn't want to break it's lease for fear of a TJs or Whole Paycheck. Is the Landlord willing to break the lease? I mean is the contract such that they can not break the lease because of the rumored sub lease occupant? If the majority of the PTC residents feel strongly against Goodwill coming in and the rest of the businesses in the center agree also, would we as a whole, let the landlord we are against it, and try to court TJ into PTC, have the landlord break it's lease to Kroger, and swallow a possible empty location for upwards to 18 months as TJ renovates and moves into the location?

How long is the Kroger lease?

Submitted by ATLtoPTC on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 9:34am.

The landlord has already said that he will gladly let Kroger out of the lease without any penalty, etc. So far Kroger has refused his offer. This problem sits squarely on the Kroger's shoulders, not the landlord's. I *think* I heard that the lease runs through something ridiculous like 2030, but someone else needs to verify that for me.

For what it's worth.... Goodwill (unlike Kroger) has been listening to the concerns of local residents about this situation, so it will be interesting to watch and see if they change their minds about moving into Peachtree Crossing.

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Submitted by poipendicular on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 11:40am.

The landlord talks to his attorney, looks into ways he can break the lease because of proposed future sublease tenant. Gets agreement with other tenants, tells Kroger to shove where the sun don't shine. This would then be a matter of the landlord having the right to do such a thing and if he would have to pay Kroger a penalty.
Would the landlord be willing to court TJ's into coming? Incentives would have to be offered, and public approval of TJ's is already a given.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 11:48am.

I thought a landlord had the right to refuse a new tenant of any sub-lease? Whether it is a residential or commercial property. I also think a lease agreement can be terminated at anytime. What rights does this landlord have?

If I were this landlord I would make them find a buisness that I could agree to. If they did not they would still have to pay rent via the contract until they found a tenant that was mutually agreeable.

Submitted by Citizen_Steve on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 8:20pm.

Submitted by ATLtoPTC on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 7:29pm.

That is not a shopping center filled with lots of little (often family-owned!) stores. Target is the anchor, and Goodwill is the only other store. Yes, Goodwill keeps that store up nicely, but it affects almost no other shoppers because there aren't any other stores except the Target! And for the record, I used to shop at that store when it was Big Star and Richway, and I worked in a knitting shop across the street - I am very familiar with the area.

What if the Publix on West Paces Ferry & Northside Parkway went out of business and sub-let to Goodwill? How do you think that shopping center would react? Do you think Goodwill would make a good anchor store for that shopping center? I'm sure many of your Buckhead neighbors would be even more vocal than the residents of PTC in their displeaseure.

I'll say it again - Goodwill is a great organization deserving of community support. However, it is not a good anchor store for a shopping center that wants to be somewhat upscale. I don't think the owners of PlumYumi Day Spa thought they would be in a Goodwill anchored shopping center when they signed their lease.

Submitted by Buckheadresident on Tue, 09/11/2007 - 11:21am.

A Goodwill at West Paces and and Northside Parkway would not be my first choice. However, recognizing that I am neither the Landlord nor the current tenant (like Kroger) I wouldn't have a choice.

And although Goodwill wouldn't be my first choice I would have absolutely no problem with them going in at West Paces either. I know for a fact the store would be top notch, and I can guarantee you "snobbish" buckhead friends of mine would shop there. It would also be hard to protest a business that also does so much good for other people.......which reading the comments and messages here seems to be lost on most people. It's call Goodwill Industries for a reason, maybe some of you people should show some.

Submitted by ATLtoPTC on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 7:36pm.

Just down the road is another example of what a good anchor store can do for a shopping center. The Whole Foods at Roswell Road and Hammond Drive really turned that shopping center around. When Service Merchandise went downhill and then finally out of business, that center took a nosedive. Several small stores there went out of business as well. For a while, it looked really pathetic while shopping centers near it grew and prospered. But look at it now - it is thriving thanks to Whole Foods! I would also like to see Peachtree Crossing get the high quality anchor store it deserves!

Submitted by winer on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 5:23pm.

It doesn't matter one iota who owns the shopping centers where Goodwill is located. They could have gotten stuck with a sub-lease just like the guy with Peachtree Crossings. Tell me what stores have survived 12 months next to a Goodwill. BigLots? Pawnshops? 2nd Hand Stores? Title Max?

Submitted by Buckheadresident on Tue, 09/11/2007 - 11:06am.

In response to winer:

Ace Hardware

These are a few I can think of. Are you really mad at Kroger for not being able to economically and efficiently operate more than one store in the immediate area? They have to close one store. They also signed a lease that hasn't expired. Are you really going to blame them for sub-letting to a tenant who is willing to subsidize the rent THEY HAVE TO PAY? And no, it's obvious that they will not sublet to a competitor. My point was do some research. Goodwill is moving in a different direction. The stores, the interiors, the's all being upgraded drastically. Why else do you think they want to be in PTC?

Submitted by JJPTC on Mon, 09/24/2007 - 2:55pm.

I'm just curious.....Why are you posting in a PTC forum??
I think the PTC residents know best what does and doesn't belong here!!

Submitted by winer on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 9:03pm.

You seem to picking and choosing your facts. You brought up the Sandy Springs Goodwill store as an example, from your list only Target is near the Sandy Springs store. Now you drag all of these other corporately owned chain stores into your answer, Ace Hardware is the one on that list with an independent/operator owner (if that). Since you portray yourself as having knowledge of Peachtree Crossings Shopping Center in Peachtree City, please answer the following. Name any store located west of the Kroger. That would be between Kroger and the fire station. I don't think you are familiar with the local area. I have done lots of research regarding retail, especially concentrating on the Fayette County, Peachtree City area. I would never venture to suggest what you build in Buckhead. Why are you so rattled about what we have in Peachtree City?

Submitted by TravelingfoolfromGA on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 4:37pm.

As someone with a dog in this fight, I AM mad at Kroger for "not being able to economically...." The landlord has made it clear to them that he will let them out of the lease, the stores you note as being able to stay in business with Goodwill as an anchor are chain stores, NOT the locally owned businesses that are in Peachtree Crossing now, and Kroger has had absolutely no consideration for what impact their move will have on this area. Trader Joe's is competition, but not in the same league as another store, and instead of thinking of community, they're unwilling to break the lease, so yes, I'm mad. Goodwill is a great institution, but NOT there...

Submitted by winer on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 5:34pm.

I just googled around: it is property formerly occupied by Kroger. It is currently listed as property Kroger is currently trying to unload on their available real estate. I wonder if they would consider leasing the Sandy Springs site to a competitor?

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