FreeSpeech for 9-05-07

Tue, 09/04/2007 - 3:59pm
By: The Citizen

Do any other middle school parents, preferably of eighth grade students, have as big a problem with the new math program as we do at our middle school? It’s been brought to our attention that the focus is no longer about having a teacher teach the students step by step, but rather to put the students in a “collaborative” group to allow them to figure out the answer to math problems as a group. It appears the teachers have been trained to present this new method of teaching to students, and are told that it will be more meaningful to the students to work together on a problem and come up with the solution, rather than have a teacher lead them. I have a huge problem with this. For starters our eighth grade students have been the guinea pigs of this new math program since its conception. For two years they did not even have a textbook to accompany the course. Secondly, it is my feeling that a lot of students have struggled with this program and are already behind in their math skills. They truly have not been given the proper tools to have a solid basis in math. And now they are put in groups to work through problems with little direction from the teacher until “after” they have attempted. My child says their group will just “sit there” when they cannot come up with an answer. It is also unfair to the more advanced student to have to “carry” the other students in the group. I’d like to hear from others on their views. I guess the CRCT test scores are speaking for themselves – it’s obvious something is not working.

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Yep, I’m a Booth Middle School parent listening with astonishment at my child’s math teacher telling me at the open house that she does not teach math. The journey through Fayette County’s math program has been amazing. My child’s first grade teacher informs us that getting the correct answer does not matter. Just that the child understand the concept of adding. By third grade my child’s teacher tells me not worry when my child stresses out and cannot do Minute Math problems; the students have all the time they need on the regular test. The summer before sixth grade I’m paying an elementary teacher $200 to teach my child math concepts they did not get to in fifth grade and needed for sixth grade. In sixth grade, I’m told not to worry that there is no text book, the teacher have a lot of hand-outs. So Fayette County SAT scores went down. Go figure.

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My feedback is in response to John Thompson’s article about Fayette SAT scores in the Aug. 29, 2007 paper. I object to Mr. Thompson’s reference that demographics paints the picture as to why Fayette’s scores dropped. I compare his article to a community rumor where no one has the facts, but word spreads nevertheless. Mr. Thompson didn’t give us all the facts. I’d like to know who are the minorities he refers to. Give me the breakout of the “demographics” and the respective SAT scores. Just maybe the drop has nothing to do with minorities. Just maybe the drop has to do more with the quality of teachers at the schools mentioned. Let’s compare the qualifications of teachers at schools with lower SATs to those with higher SATs. Where did the children attend middle and elementary school of those schools with lower SAT scores? What number of people took the SATs? How many are minorities? And what are those demographics? I contend there is a long chain of events that can cause lower SAT scores. Which is the most accurate? Your inference suggests the cause is minorities bringing down SAT scores in Fayette County. Your article is a half-baked story, like a rumor. Next time try to be informative for your audience. By the way, what was your SAT score, Mr. Thompson?

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If the latest SAT scores don’t prove where the demographics of this county have gone, then you truly are looking through “rose-colored glasses.” Those are sold in Clayton County, aren’t they? Statistics do not lie; only naive people in denial do.

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Nice going, Fayette County Board of Education. They snuck one in on us again, folks: the new school calendar for 2008-2009. Only 5,000 families got to weigh in on their opinions. How many families have students in our school system? I could be wrong but didn’t the FCBOE website state that questionnaires regarding parental input on the new calendar would be sent home at the beginning of this school year? I didn’t get any; did you? Of course, since the opinion poll was on the website during the summer when everyone was on vacation, how many people really did get to see it to express their opinions? Does the Board of Ed really care what we want? Ms. Wenzel states in a recent news article that many people had requested school to begin after Labor Day. So why then, can’t the Board of Ed figure out how to do that? She states it’s not possible to finish the first semester before Christmas. Where is is written that we need to finish before Christmas? Maybe the students would like to use the Christmas break as additional study time. I think it’s about time the FCBOE looks to another city/state that has a workable school calendar and follow suit. Why re-invent the wheel every year? Quit changing our school calendar year to year. Find a calendar that works, and leave it alone.

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Excuses are being used in Fayette County schools for our low SAT scores, and our children’s poor education. Saying that the scores are low due to minority participation is bunk. There are more non-minority low scores when the quantity is compared to minority numbers. Percentage wise, yes, there are more minority low scores, but that isn’t what drags down the learning; our teaching and administration does that. I notice where our education superintendent in Georgia has begun working for a presidential candidate, I would think for a shot at the USA Secretary of Education; however, I think that should be someone who doesn’t use excuses for Georgia’s failure, but someone who has a magnificent educational program for which they are responsible.

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I would like to respond to the recent comments that teachers do not make enough money. First, let me say that I have worked for a local school system for over 23 years. I would like for all of you not to just think about a teacher’s pay, but the total compensation package that teachers receive. Teachers of course have the summers off. They also are off two weeks at Christmas and have a week off at spring break. Then they also receive various other national holidays, and they accumulate sick days. They have comprehensive health, dental, vision and life insurance plans. Most times they have their choice among several different insurance companies and plans. Any deductions for these and other benefits are taken out of their checks pre-tax. They also have the Teacher’s Retirement Plan. After 30 years of service, a teacher will receive 60 percent of their salary based on the average of their two highest years of pay. Also, they will continue to keep their health benefits and receive a yearly 3 percent cost of living increase while retired. Teachers who were hired before the late 1980s do not pay any Social Security taxes. How do I know? Because in my 23 years, I have never had a deduction on my check for Social Security. Unfortunately for newer teachers, the laws were changed. In the school system I work for, a newly graduated 22-year-old teacher with no advanced degree will begin their career with a yearly salary of $35,000. The pay scale tops out at $79,000 yearly for a teacher with 30 years of experience and advanced degrees. Let’s also not forget that teachers have received a pay increase from the state and or county every year. I believe most teachers do deserve more for a difficult, sometimes thankless, job. However, when debating salaries, let’s look at the total compensation package. After all, it is your tax money and you deserve to see everything that your money pays for. Remember, the government runs the school system and the government will always claim that it needs more of your tax money.

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I frankly did not care at all about Tyrone and Barry Amos at all, until two things happened. First, the increase in crime in Tyrone (which they will not ever be able to handle) and, second, Tyrone’s lust to provide more sewer for already identified favored developers. Why? Is it a shady deal? Who knows and who cares? The point is that Tyrone and Fairburn almost seem like they are partners in “Riverdale South” turning Ga. Highway 74 into a crime-infested, traffic-snarled, curb-cut nightmare. Don’t they have the same lawyer in both towns? Again, I don’t care except for the effect that it will have on Fayette and Hwy. 74. With Tyrone and Fairburn that close to a high-speed interstate, the crime will make the Pavilion look like a day care center. I always supported my good friend Annie McMenamin who publicly opposed giving sewer to Tyrone because she knew of the risks and of Tyrone and Amos’ incompetence. Annie said, when Amos and Tyrone asked PTC to tap on to sewer, “Not on my watch.”

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Now that all candidates have qualified, and have talked in glowing general terms about how good they’re going to be elected, let’s hear them speak about the most important specific needs for Tyrone. It’s not a new library, Shamrock Park or recreation. When someone is injured, the first priority is to stop the bleeding, then start the healing. To stop the bleeding you have to get rid of those who are causing it. Numbers 1-5 have caused the bleeding. 1. Fire Barry Amos and Valerie Fowler. Everyone understands the problems here. 2. Don’t support Michael Smola for mayor. 3. Get rid of all Barry’s boys and girls on the Planning Commission. 4. Don’t vote for a planning commission member for council. 5. Hire a new town attorney who won’t make legal opinions that are contradictory. To start the healing: 6. Repeal Ordinance #454 that took away property uses. 7. Codify zoning ordinances and regulations. (Not one single elected or appointed official, much less any citizen, knows or can know Tyrone’s zoning laws because the laws have never been organized in a single book. The ordinances are an unbelievable messy shame. Never in the 30-year history of zoning in Tyrone have all the laws and amendments been totally published. Only Barry’s and Brad Sears’ interpretation.) 8. Pass an ordinance that requires the government itself, when it proposes a zoning change or amendment, to post signs on affected properties and send certified notice to the property owner. 9. Pass a resolution to put legal zoning ads in The Citizen newspaper. Legal ads in the Fayette Daily News is sent only to 300 subscribers in Tyrone. 10. Insure that the zoning map on public display be signed by the mayor with all ordinances and amendments listed and dated as required by the Ga. Zoning Procedures Act. Our representatives need to learn our laws, have a quick reference book and then follow them. Don’t be dependent on a town manager or an attorney. Don’t make citizens have to hire a lawyer and sue to get the government to follow its own laws. Now let’s hear the candidates tell us where they stand on these important issues specifically. If you are one of the 300-plus who have signed the petition at Tyrone Tire you don’t want to vote for anyone who won’t support these 10 items.

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In response to the unhappy concert attendee: Get over it. I don’t know who your so-called “blithering idiot” in the Gold section is. I am, however, tired of the blithering idiot who keeps complaining in the Free Speech section about someone standing up in front of them. Just how many concerts have you attended in your lifetime? I’m quite sure no one was asked to sit down at Woodstock or Lollapalooza. You bought tickets to a concert, for cryin’ out loud! If you don’t like it, buy better tickets. Other than crowd control, seats have no use at a concert anyway. Stand up! Have fun! Dance if you’re sure you won’t hurt yourself. That’s pretty much the point of the whole thing, if you hadn’t noticed. If you can’t handle it, stay home, or better yet, go to a movie. Tell everyone in the row in front of you, they can’t get up to go to the bathroom or go buy snacks. Jeesh!

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We moved here (PTC) 25 years ago. Those of you who are short-timers, all I can say is those were the days. Days when you knew everyone when you went shopping, or at church, and at any school events. Things were so homey, for lack of a better word. I left PTC 15 years ago to pursue my career. I had the foresight to keep my home, because I knew that someday I would return and retire here. What a mistake. I returned July of 2006 [to] property values, growing taxes, a city government that is accountable to their own well-being, and empire-building within the different city departments. I returned thinking my home, which was one of my investments toward retirement, should have appreciated two times more than it did. People in the stores, whether they are other shoppers or store employees, are so rude or really don’t care. There is not the feeling of being in Peachtree City anymore. I will in future letters give you my opinion on what I see the problems are. With my 40 years of management experience, working for an owner meant profit and productivity was the measurement of whether you kept your job or not. What is going on here is whose butt will be protected, not the taxpayer who pays your salary. This goes from the top of the ladder to the last rung of the ladder.

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This police station disaster makes me mad as H-E-double-hockey-sticks! Who’s responsible for this mess? Brown told us it was a crooked deal and Bobby Lenox said he was lying. We need to file a civil lawsuit to recoup our million dollars. Get the city’s attorney working on this.

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What is the general policy about code enforcement in PTC? I’m only referring to places of business concerning their safety practices, and items concerning private homes and lots. As I just drive through neighborhoods, I see cars parked on the grass, trailers in the driveway, etc. Some perpetually and some just most of the time. Many fire exit lights and jammed escape aisles are incorrect in some businesses. I guess my question is this: are regular drives and visits made, or is it upon complaint only? Someone is missing a lot if regular drives and visits are done.

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A man calls the Fayette [County government’s] Stonewall Complex and hears the receptionist answer: “Hello, Fayette County, how may I direct your call?” The man asks, “May I please speak with County Attorney William McNally?” Receptionist: “I’m sorry, Mr. McNally is no longer with Fayette County.” Man: “Thank you” (and then he hangs up). He calls back again to the same receptionist and again asks for attorney McNally. The receptionist recognizes the voice, hesitates and, containing her frustration, she says “Mr. McNally is not here anymore. The commission voted for a change.” The man thanks the receptionist and they both hang up. The man calls back again: “May I please speak with attorney McNally?” This time the receptionist loses her temper: “Mister, I have already told you twice that he is no longer here. Can’t you get it through your head that the commission fired McNally?” The man responds: “Oh, I understood you the first time and the second time. I just called back because I like the way it sounds.”

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I cannot believe that we have to continue to look at the junkyard at the corner of Ga. Highway 54 and Jeff Davis Drive. It is a disgrace. The dump couldn’t look as bad. What makes the governing body of Fayetteville think that anyone would want to move here and look at this everyday? No one could possibly use the junk that is on the sidewalk on Hwy. 54. I pass there every morning and I am appalled. This has gone on so long that you have created a monster. Someone needs to take a good hard look at this mess and stop wearing rose-colored glasses.

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When I first moved to Fayette County in the early 1980s there was a quaint little junk store on a downtown Fayetteville corner. Today Jordan Salvage is an eyesore with used junk strewn all over a giant lot that fronts on three streets. I know homeowners that were written up by the [county] marshal for having building materials on their property, so I do not understand how this has been allowed to continue. I have heard Jordan is grandfathered. Does that mean he does not have to abide by current laws regarding junk that is visible from three downtown streets? It makes me wonder who this guy knows or who he knows something incriminating about that allows this junk store to remain a fixture in our town. It would be nice to be able to walk around downtown shopping. This property is ripe for redevelopment into something that improves the downtown area and attracts new businesses. Jordan Salvage is a clear case for eminent domain. What is it going to take to get rid of this junk store?

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To the Free Speecher regarding the use of G-D. The use of G-D in writing when referring to The Almighty is out of respect for the Holiness of G-D and it is considered disrespectful to include the “O” when writing out His name in English. This comes from a written and oral tradition of well over 5,000 years, which far surpasses the Apostolic interpretations. Its use is widespread the world over and is not limited to New York or New Jersey. In fact, people also write that in AZ, CA, FL, TX, IL, MA and, believe it or not, wise-guy, right here in good old (boy) ATL, GA.

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Why isn’t anyone at the school county level overseeing what goes on with middle school football in Fayette County? We have a huge team at our middle school and yet the coaches only practice with half of the team. One group of boys get to scrimmage for 40 minutes while the other group get to be on the field about three minutes. At our school, we pay $100 for each boy to play football, averaging roughly $9,000 supporting the football program. Yet, the players are not given equal opportunity to scrimmage, not even 50 percent of the time. The athletic director informed everyone that their child might not get to play in games, but that each player will be given the opportunity to have the chance to play by participating in practice where they will be evaluated. Well, how in the world can they be evaluated, if they are not scrimmaging and just sitting on the sidelines for 40 minutes? When the second group finally gets on the field to scrimmage, it’s three minutes before the coach calls for a water break and then puts the first group back on the field. The second group gets to sit out yet once again. Don’t think we as parents don’t see what is happening. Why not just have tryouts for the amount of players you are willing to play on the team instead of carrying an extra 15-20 children who won’t see any playing time? Is it because of the amount of revenue the school would lose by cutting players? That would amount to possibly $3000 to $4000 at our school. I think our school athletic programs and financing of these programs need to be seriously evaluated. Here’s another one for you: How about paying $700 for a seventh grader to be a cheerleader? That’s another story.

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My family and I used to love going to [a restaurant] in Tyrone to play trivia on Tuesday nights, but not anymore. The bar area is as rowdy and obnoxious as I have seen. There are a few individuals in there who are loud, vulgar and inappropriate for a family restaurant. We have complained to the female manager on a number of occasions but nothing has been done. Guess we will have to find a new place to play that is a little more family-oriented.

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If you live in Peachtree City, you know that we don’t have an abundance of restaurants serving breakfast. This Sunday, we decided to give [a restaurant] a try, as they recently added breakfast to their menu. As we were seated in a nearly empty restaurant, we certainly expected fast service. To the contrary, we waited more than 30 minutes for food, which arrived cold. Never in my life have I experienced such poor service. Our waitress had a serious attitude problem and blamed everything on the “large party” that was seated immediately after us (the large party included 12 soccer players). We weren’t expecting five-star service, but we spent more than an hour in the restaurant, and only 10 minutes was spent eating our cold and lousy food. Breakfast food is not cuisine; if you can’t prepare eggs and toast, you shouldn’t be in the restaurant business. The other 50 minutes was spent waiting for the food, and then after we ate, waiting forever for the bill. If you want to blame a “large party” for slow food prep, I can accept that, but the poor service was the fault of the lackluster waitress. Not even a smile as she finally handed us our bill that took 20 minutes to find and bring to the table. If [the restaurant] wants to get into the breakfast market, they need a kitchen staff able to serve an entire restaurant, not just one table at a time, and they need to hire servers who know what they’re doing. I guess we’ll have to continue the hunt for a decent breakfast place, or it might be time to surrender the search and make our own eggs and bacon after church on Sundays. It seems this is the only way to insure hot food and timely service.

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Now that Michael Vick has pleaded guilty to the charges against him, we hear pundits far and wide saying that Mr. Vick needs to get his life back. Horse apples! He is neither a victim nor a hero. What should concern everyone, most especially parents of impressionable children and teenagers, is the character of the person. He has demonstrated his lack of integrity and inability to be truthful to the Atlanta Falcons, the National Football League, the fans, and the public in general. How can you trust someone who has so thoroughly destroyed his reputation and has tarnished the image of his teammates and his employer, all through his own actions? I applaud Dick’s Sporting Goods for simply putting all of their Michael Vick paraphernalia outside on the sidewalk for anyone to have, free of charge. The statement is clear. They have written Mr. Vick off and want to make no money in association with him. Kudos also go to Nike for deciding to not sell 250,000 of his jerseys. It is a courageous decision made by both corporations. Other public entities could take a lesson. America needs to take a long, close look at its sports heroes who now make up a portion of the college and professional level teams. It is all about the money and the power. The biggest loser in all of this is the fan base. All the while, our teachers, police officers, firefighters, paramedics, and other service personnel are paid salaries so low that they often have to take on an additional job to pay the bills. These are the people that our whole society depends upon to function properly.

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Yes, abortion is a moral issue. Sadly, your moral compass seems to be solely driven by your religious views. It is the individual woman’s choice, silly. It is her body, it is her choice, period. Albeit, it is not an easy or by any stretch happy choice, but nonetheless, her choice.

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To the “anti-choice” person who said, “One of those kids could have been a legitimate candidate for president”: That “kid” could have just as easily been a legitimate serial murderer as well.

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Submitted by mcg on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 7:05am.

To the person in the Free Speech column who complained about not getting to vote for next school year's calendar -- yes, I did receive a questionnaire during the first week of school. In fact, I received 2 -- one from Booth and one from McIntosh. Both of them came in with the packet of papers that I was required to look at or fill out. I don't know what school your child attends, but did you look through all those papers we have to sign each year? If I remember correctly, it seems like they sent a questionnaire home via the same method last year as well. On a personal note, I like the school calendar the way it is; my only complaint is that I liked it a little better last year. School started one week earlier, but the students had a whole week off at Thanksgiving, instead of only 3 days.

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 5:22am.

"Yes, abortion is a moral issue. Sadly, your moral compass seems to be solely driven by your religious views. It is the individual woman’s choice, silly. It is her body, it is her choice, period. Albeit, it is not an easy or by any stretch happy choice, but nonetheless, her choice."

Sadly, your broken moral compass seems to be lacking religious input.

It is the baby's life, "silly."

It is her or his little body that is torn apart and then discarded with the garbage, not the mother's. She continues to live.

Adoption "is not an easy or by any stretch happy choice, but nonetheless, her choice." And the child lives and the mother isn't left with gnawing guilt because she made the best choice for her child and didn't just think of herself.

It is the MOTHER's choice not to engage in sexual activity because one of the results is pregnancy. It should not be her choice to destroy the life of her child. That is sad.

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Submitted by zoes on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 1:07pm.

I so hate this abortion argument. Anti-abortionists think that pro-choicers are for abortion. That couldn't be further from the truth. Abortion is sad and wrong. However, it can be necessary. What is unarguable is that choice is necessary. Education is necessary. Options are necessary. Dictating one moral ideal for all circumstances is not going to work. Pro-Choice is allowing for education, options, and individual circumstances.

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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 3:12pm.

In hearing your example(s) of when the killing of innocent life is "necessary."

I try to keep an open mind. So tell me when is the taking of innocent life required?

Options are necessary. Dictating one moral ideal for all circumstances is not going to work.

Based on your statement, are the anti-rape laws all wrong because they "dictate one moral idea for all" ???

Did I misunderstand your statement that no moral (law) should apply to all? Do you get to make the call on which apply to you???

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Submitted by maximus on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 3:02pm.

If we could just get the pro-abortionists to elevate the status of an unborn child to that of a dog there would be a lot fewer abortions. And of course it wouldn’t be legal.


Submitted by bladderq on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 6:20pm.

I guess we could also say that if all the Anti-Abortionist would adopt an UN-wanted baby. OR if we could git a Spay & Neuter licence plate for their cars ... for 2 legged not the 4 kind, we are probably making progress in the animal world or the coyotes will help out.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 09/06/2007 - 12:24am.

is, "pro life" + "pro death penalty" + "pro war" + anti universal healthcare for those lives. This confuses the heck out of me..

Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 9:07pm.

If a man strikes someone with an iron object [or wood or a stone] so that he dies, he is a murderer; the murderer shall be put to death. Numbers 35:16

Anyone who kills a person is to be put to death as a murderer only on the testimony of witnesses. But no one is to be put to death on the testimony of only one witness. Numbers 35:30

If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely [or has a miscarriage] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life . . . . Exodus 21:22-23

But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he [the governing authority] does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Romans 13:4


If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or have any other duty laid on him. For one year he is to be free to stay at home and bring happiness to the wife he has married. Deuteronomy 24:5

Then the LORD said to Joshua, "See, I have delivered Jericho into your hands, along with its king and its fighting men."

When the trumpets sounded, the people shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the people gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so every man charged straight in, and they took the city. They devoted the city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it. Joshua 6

So Joshua took the entire land, just as the LORD had directed Moses, and he gave it as an inheritance to Israel according to their tribal divisions. Then the land had rest from war. Joshua 11:23

He [the LORD] will [future] judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. Isaiah 2:4


You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. Exodus 20:17

Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth. Proverbs 10:4

If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land that the LORD your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother. Deuteronomy 15:7

There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded [giving freely, not government confiscation and redistribution of wealth] toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land. Deuteronomy 15:11

Do not take advantage of a hired man who is poor and needy, whether he is a brother Israelite or an alien living in one of your towns. Deuteronomy 24:14

He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. Proverbs 14:31

He who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done. Proverbs 19:17

If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered. Proverbs 21:13

This poor man called, and the LORD heard him; he saved him out of all his troubles. Psalm 34:6

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Submitted by TonyF on Tue, 09/11/2007 - 9:25am.

to make Dollar look like a super-genius. You need to get a job or a life. Or is it the lack of both which gives you the free time to write this babbling tripe you spew with regularity? How does this come to be that you are the world's "moral compass"? I understand that(like Dollar's) your's is the only opinion that matters, but jeez woman, give it a REST!

"The memories of a man in his old age, are the deeds of a man in his prime.You shuffle in the gloom of the sick room,and talk to yourself as you die."
(R. Waters)

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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Tue, 09/11/2007 - 9:50am.

I'm thinking Denise has both, a job and a life. Perhaps the "babbling tripe" you speak of is Denise's way of backing up her statements. Further, I don't believe Denise has ever imposed her opinion as the "moral compass", nor has she insisted that her opinion is the only correct opinion.

Tony, lighten up a little bit today! Different strokes for different folks is what makes the world go 'round. If you don't like or agree with Denise, just don't read her blogs, that's what I tried to do with ole what'$ hi$ name.

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Submitted by TonyF on Tue, 09/11/2007 - 10:52am.

when does she sleep? I ask only because it's getting difficult to navigate these pages when after every click I have to bypass FOUR FRIGGIN PAGES OF HER RAMBLING, OMNIPRESENT CRAPOLA!

"The memories of a man in his old age, are the deeds of a man in his prime.You shuffle in the gloom of the sick room,and talk to yourself as you die."
(R. Waters)

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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Tue, 09/11/2007 - 12:10pm.

My lab partner in biology used the same "PAGES OF ..." quote about our textbook. Funny thing was he could never show where the book was wrong!

"The Constitution to which we are all attached was meant to be republican, and we believe to be republican according to every candid interpretation. Yet we have seen it so interpreted and administered, as to be truly what the French have called, a monarchie masque." --Thomas Jefferson to Robert R. Livingston, 1800. ME 10:177

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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Tue, 09/11/2007 - 11:41am.

When does she sleep!!!!! I didn't want to have to pull this one out of the hat . . .but Denise is a W-O-M-A-N, have you never heard that song. . ."can go out til 4 am, lay down at five, jump up at six and start all over again". Hate to have to pull this ace out of the hole, but you don't seem to understand, W-O-M-A-N!!! That means capable of doing most anything, and the impossible takes just a longer!

You need to snap out of it my dear, you ain't gonna let a "girl" upset you like this! Come on now! I'm hoping you just had a bad bowl of cheerios this morning, 'cuz we like to hear from you.

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Submitted by TonyF on Tue, 09/11/2007 - 12:35pm.

Paul: UHH dude, I never said anything about her being wrong.
Jane: Oh my God!!! Denise is a W-O-M-A-N?
Denise: At least you're smart enough to know I'm just messin' with ya. (you do right? dollar knew it) By the way; Brevity is still the soul of wit. (and "wit", in this case, does not mean humour). And in case you're wondering, I am pro-choice anti-abortion.

"The memories of a man in his old age, are the deeds of a man in his prime.You shuffle in the gloom of the sick room,and talk to yourself as you die."
(R. Waters)

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Tue, 09/11/2007 - 10:32am.

I wouldn't have even seen Tony's cheery comments except that I like to read your funny ones. TF must have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed! Laughing out loud

I think I've really been insulted -- I "make Dollar look like a super-genius." Puzzled Laughing out loud

At least with $ you knew that he'd not read anything more than 2 sentences and would grumble if you merely stated the time of day. He's stayed away for a LONG time for him. Hope he's not sick.

Maybe I should work for Git since he gives you so much time off. Puzzled

Have a good day!

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 9:13pm.

But I had to keep pushing the image of you packing heat out of my mind. Thanks. I enjoyed the scripture. Smiling

Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 9:20pm.

That's only a recent addition. I lived in an apartment that became more and more crime-infested (attempted break-ins 3+ times -- so, I know a little how the other "half" lives) until I could afford to move. But criminals move, too. Sad


Denise, get your guns!!! (Do you think most thugs are scared of a woman? How could I find a gun *quickly* in my purse anyway?)

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 9:27pm.

Our first married Christmas was in 1990 in Enid, Oklahoma. Our apartment cost $295 per month. We spent Christmas eve listening to our neighbor beat his wife. I finally could not take it anymore (he was giving her a break to throw up), so I went over and knocked on the door. She answered and I told her I was there to help. She said, "With what?" I said, "With your problem" and looked toward her husband. She swore there were no problems and wished me a good night. She didn't get beaten again for a couple of days. That 6 months gave me an appreciation for life and what I have that will never fade; ever!!! Take care,

Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 9:40pm.

We had a Japanese neighbor (very nice husband and daughter) who knocked on the door one night. Seems that her husband was a heavy drinker (but only after work) and beat her. You'd never have guessed. This time he was threatening the 3-year-old. We ran across the street to save her and then called the police -- only after A LOT of talking with the wife. Turns out he had a gun. They moved soon afterwards, out of embarrassment, I guess.

Saw them a few years later at a store but don't know if the problems were any better. Talk about cultural differences. "Saving face" is more important than anything.

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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Thu, 09/06/2007 - 11:30am.

is, "pro life" + "pro death penalty" + "pro war" + anti universal healthcare for those lives. This confuses the heck out of me.

It's pretty simple. We value innocent life and protect it (pro-life).

If you premeditatedly take innocent life you pay with your own (death penalty).

Anti universal healthcare- Conservatives are all for it-but we know that government will do the worst possible job. We want it to be available for all from the private sector.

By the way, I'm working with one of my Doctor clients, to set up another free medical clinic in Fayette. If you know someone who really can't get medical care. let me know.

Laws are made for men of ordinary understanding and should,
therefore, be construed by the ordinary rules of common sense.
Their meaning is not to be sought for in metaphysical subtleties
which may make anything mean everything or nothing at pleasure.
Thomas Jefferson (referring to the court system)

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 09/06/2007 - 11:52am.

If all walked the walk I believe you do, health care and abortion would not even be issues, because responsible decisions would abate the need (perceived or real) for crisis prevention in both areas. I am not sure why there is such a trust of the private sector to attend to the needs of clients and not boards of directors. Remember, Paul, this is the private sector which loved NINJA loans (no income, no job or assetts) because these loans brought up front $ from closing costs. This is the private sector which has found it advantageuos to hire cheap, umdocumented labor, export what jobs it could, and keep as many part timers as possible to save health care and benefit costs. This is a private sector which has failed to protect our food (spinach, tooth past), and imported cheap, lead-based toys for our kids.
Paul, if we don't trust the govt with health care, how in heaven's name can we trust them for complex issues like national security, diplomacy, and general law and order? Is it all to be contracted out to Blackwater, and other companies which have quite literally tried to charge the US govt (eg taxpayer) $300k for washers and screws?
Paul, as a christian, you know the biblical view of what financial wealth and the quest for it brings. I trust the government much more than I do AIG to care for my needs versus their profit. Thanks for the reply, and have a great day!

Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by maximus on Thu, 09/06/2007 - 6:43am.

The formula you laid out is the one to ensure that the most INNOCENT lives are saved. You obviously believe that military action is sometimes necessary to achieve that end or you never would have joined. You just don’t agree with this one. You also, I hope, would not take your kids to any other country for treatment if they were sick (nor would anyonoe else, no matter where they were on the economic ladder). That’s because we have the best healthcare system in the world; don’t mess it up with socialism. And the death penalty is easy – the murdering scum will never take another innocent life, not to mention the deterrent factor.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 09/06/2007 - 8:36pm.

Thinking a military man is pro war is like thinking police officers are pro shooting people. It is our job to kill when called upon, but a sane person does not take joy in ending lives (except in rare situation driven occaissions like self defense close calls). The argument many pro life people use is that life is to be solely in the hands of God, and not interfered with by man. I am not sure how a court of law changes that principle. Remember the confidence you had in our legal system when scooter libby was convicted?
As to our world - leading health care, what do you base that on? Our infant mortality rates are not the lowest in the world. Our life expectancy is not the highest. Countries with lower infant mortality and higher life expectancies than ours are the UK, Switzerland, Sweden, Spain, Italy, and even FRANCE. What do these countries have in common, Max? So, where do you get that claim from, other than a gut desire to not see universal coverage for Americans?


Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by maximus on Fri, 09/07/2007 - 8:47am.

“Thinking a military man is pro war is like thinking police officers are pro shooting people.”

That’s not what I said. What I said was that you obviously believe that military action is sometimes necessary. If you don’t believe that then I apologize for the assumption.

“The argument many pro life people use is that life is to be solely in the hands of God, and not interfered with by man. I am not sure how a court of law changes that principle.”

I can’t speak for those who see this as solely a religious matter. For me it is a principal of law – at some point that child deserves protection under our laws. Any sane person, religious or not, has to agree with that. The argument is where that point is. Only the most diseased minds think that it’s ok to partially deliver a baby, stick a needle in his skull, scramble his brains, pull him the rest of the way out of the mother and throw him in the trash. We’ve had many laws that would curtail these killings only to have them subverted by judges who have dreamed up some constitutional right to abortions.

As for the infant mortality rate being higher in the United States than all of those other countries, like Walter Williams would say - “it doesn’t pass the smell test”. And there’s a good reason – It’s not true. The United States counts many births as live that other countries would not and therefore usually appears to have a much higher infant mortality rate. Just more socialist shell games.

I ask again – If your child was sick where would you take him/her if you could choose any country in the world? In what country would you get their preventative care? From what country of origin would you choose your prescription drugs? From what country of origin would you choose your/their surgical techniques? And, of course, in what country would you want your doctors to have been trained? If you answered “the United States” as I did to every question, then go to the head of the class. If not for the United States providing the bulk of all medical advances, the socialist countries wouldn’t even be able to pretend they had a decent system.

Thanks for the discussion, Hack. I know that we must be boring everyone else to tears since we aren’t talking about the Tyrone city council, snakes in the ponds, or whether or not we should have a Kohls in PTC.

Good day,


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 9:21pm.


Goodnight, brother.

Kevin "Hack" King

ps: I would love for you to show me where our life expectancies are longer than the countries I mentioned. I believe dead= dead. And, for your other questions on healthcare?
Sweden, Switzerland, or Germany. Honestly. And you should see the masses of not so rich people wearing braces in Brazil. Much, much more affordable than the $3k x 2 that I paid here.

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Submitted by maximus on Sun, 09/09/2007 - 9:52am.

I hope braces don’t cost $3k in Brazil because that’s more than the average annual income! But at least they get “free” health care?

As far as life expectancy goes have you observed lately the “healthy habits” of Americans? No exercise and shoving food in their fat gobs as often as they can. I’m surprised that the average life-span is as high as it is. Do you think socialism would change that? Actually I guess it might since calorie restriction has been shown to be one of the few ways to increase longevity. Less wealth, less food? I’ll have to ponder that one. Even the Auto accident rate could be lowered - fewer jobs and less money means fewer reasons to drive, right?


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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 9:28pm.

I have a relative who taught English in China for a couple of years and got braces there. But what you're forgetting is that the standard of living is a lot there lower. Also, doctors have to spend so much for insurance against being sued here and expect a higher standard of living than a mechanic because of their investment in education and time spent working. (Pilots want a lot higher salaries than flight attendants, don't they? Puzzled ) Smiling

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 9:43pm.

I flew with a health care consultant. Remember the story? His business goes into hospitals and helps them cut costs/ increase efficiency. Mike showed me the stats. Litigation costs are approximately 3% of a doctor's cost structure. Beauracracy? 20%. The whole "Drs going broke because of lawsuits" is a baseless argument that sounds good, but doesn't add up on paper

Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 9:49pm.

But I really must get back to work; so, I'll try to answer tomorrow. Smiling

But I've talked to doctors and seen financial statements. The costs are HUGE and going up all the time!

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 10:10pm.

I have to tell you, if a doctor operates on my healthy knee or leaves sponges, scissors, or scalpels in my body, we'll be going to court.


Kevin "Hack" King

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 8:25am.

It's that you rarely, if ever, change anyone's mind.

Playing devils advocate with your reply, I could easily ask you to define "baby". It's just not that simple to do.

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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 8:34am.

Dawg, with all due respect - it's pretty easy. Pick any embryology textbook at any medical school in America and you'll find they all define when biological life begins. I've posted a quote from the one used at Emory a few months ago. With the new search feature it's easy to find.

BTW-You seem to have an open mind. How do you refute the 20 fingers argument in the post below?

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 8:42am.

My point went right over your head. People have their opinion, and it rarely changes.

I'm perfectly willing to accept the Supreme's Court decision on this issue for the Country as a whole. I have my own personal feelings, that I will abide by for myself, for sure.

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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:37am.

Dred Scott decision which stated that the black man was chattel property to be owned and sold at the will of his owner.

Your comment was I'm perfectly willing to accept the Supreme's Court decision on this issue.

The court that you're willing to trust so blindly has been wrong a number of times in American history. If your ancestors had been bought and sold you might have less blind trust in the system and want to examine every decision in the light of is it right.

Now Mr.Tall Man (third request) why don't you refute the arguments with science and logic for a change?

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 10:12am.

I will not. I'm not trying to change your mind, you took my "devils advocate" comment and ran with it.

I will say that we are a Constitutional Republic. I'm not aware of a better way to run a Country. If you don't like a certain law, work to change it. That's what happened in the example you site.

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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 8:09am.

It is her body, it is her choice, period."

Hmmm...That must mean your friend's body has 20 fingers, 4 eyes, possibility a different blood type, 2 noses, and maybe (in the case of a baby boy) male sexual organs.

Now tell me again how we're not dealing with two human beings ????

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 09/04/2007 - 8:01pm.

Fayette Pavillion that is all of Fayette Pavillion is a disgrace and an eyesore, and nothing but a crime magnet. I know the cops need a place to set up drug stings but.....sheeesh.

All of the strip malls are a complete eyesore. Not one has been developed tastefully. They all look like rivercrimedale.

It would have been nice if they had the architecture of an old town like Savannah or Charelston.

There are many places worse than Jordan Salvage. The junk yard and the old courthouse are the only things we really have left of our quiet town.

Submitted by susieq on Tue, 09/04/2007 - 11:58pm.

I agree with you Skyspy. I wish they would leave Jordan alone.

And to the person who wrote the "free speech" regarding Jordan:

I don't know what the current laws are concerning a junk store, but YES, Jordan is grandfathered in. As to "who this guy knows or who he knows something incriminating about" -- He knows everybody and he knows where the bodies are buried, but he's not a threat to anyone.

If you are offended by Jordan Salvage and you want to walk around and shop, why not try the Pavilion. I'm offended by the Pavilion, and you won't see me there, but I have enough sense to know that there is nothing I can do about it.

If you are a developer who wants to improve a downtown area, try another town.

Robert Jordan is the backbone of this community. There is no nicer person in this town, and I doubt that you will ever see anything else there during his lifetime.

Submitted by Daniel Ross on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 7:56pm.

Mr. Jordan and his business have been in Fayette County longer than many of the bloggers on here. I'm pretty sure his family owned the land back when it was still next to the railroad tracks (many of you will probably not remember because that was over 19 years ago). That shop is part of this county's history and will hopefully remain for many generations to come. For those who think this is an "eyesore" then please just don't go by there on your commute to work. Find a bypass. I'm pretty certain those that are complaining about Mr. Jordan are just drivers on their way to or from work. Those of us that have stopped and talked and shopped at Jordan Salvage know the history that is kept alive by people like Mr. Jordan.

Submitted by ihaveone on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 7:35pm.

There is no other place in town that you can go to and tell the people working there what you are looking for and they can go right to it. It is not an eyesore, it is a HISTORICAL LANDMARK that will be here long after all the people who are just making Fayette County their home for a short time. If you have lived here for any length of time you will find that if you need something that you can't find at Wal-Mart or the local hardware store, Jordan's usually has it. I remember needing an "old fashioned" corn silking brush (like the ones we used when I was a small child). Went to Jordan's, told him what I was looking for and he went into his store and came out with one. He knows where everything is - believe it or not !!!!!! Don't know what we would do without him.

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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Thu, 09/06/2007 - 3:06pm.

with those who say Jordan's is a historical landmark. If it is really bothering someone, drive another way.

I believe one day, if not already, Mr. Jordan and heirs will be laughing all the way to the bank. There used to be a raggedy tumble-down house, you were afraid to walk across the porch, in Morrow that housed a doctor's office, and there was a baseball field out back. . .today there sits a WalMart, guess ole Dr. Luke was smart to hang onto that tumble-down house as long as he did! While I may not approve of the big box thing, he certainly was sitting on a gold mine, as I believe Mr. Jordan is. Good gracious, let him live his life and reap the rewards when HE feels the time is right, not just because you don't like the looks of it.

Go Mr. Jordan!

Submitted by bladderq on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 7:42pm.

This Sound Off reads of 2 Yankee Republicans (carpetbaggers). I am always amused when in 1 blog the Republicans in Tyronne are bemoaning the city mgr (I'm sure a Republican) trying to zone & in another 2 are trying to deprive a long time (certainly a WHOLE lot longer than them) his right to use his bought & paid for property as he sees fit. All in a town & county where every elected official is a Republican. The one who writes about shops this far east of the Court Sq obviously hasn't looked at the state of the shops directly facing on the westside.
Houston, a most long-time Republican city, has it right...NO Zoning. They had a strange influx there though called Wetbacks Across the Hudson....another bunch of Yankees that showed up, complained about NYC but then wanted bagels, the NY Times's and lamented about how thangs were done back home.

It's almost as comical as the Best Buy Golf Cart Bridge. The Gov is a Republican, both Houses are Republican, of course all our legislators are Republican. Who on the DOT board is not a Republican? All the county & city officials are certainly professed Republicans. I know Bill & Hillary did it!

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 9:57am.

and defend Jordan Salvage to the end. Smiling


"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".


Submitted by oldbeachbear on Tue, 09/04/2007 - 6:36pm.

"I frankly did not care at all about Tyrone or Barry Amos, until two things happened, increase in crime and lust for sewer for already identified favored developers. Shady deal? Who knows and who cares? Point is, crime-infested, traffic-snarled, curb-cut nightmare.". I feel your pain, I fell in love with and moved to Fayette county, never dreaming I was in the Tyrone city limits or, what difference that would make in my life or property value. 74 was better than prozac in the mornings. What bad could happen to me for the rest of the day after being visualy sated by the drive down 74 to 85 looking at the horses and open spaces? Gosh, if I smoked, I would light up, it was better than my ex/sex could ever be! People here were so friendly and sweet, just like where I grew up, treat everyone with respect till they proved otherwise. That is a Christian teaching you find in rural areas and one they have always lived by. They honestly are polite from the bottem of their hearts. I thought this was going to be so wonderful for my child. Boy was I mistaken! It seems that we had a Yankee in sheeps clothing run for town counsil. He had two trusting locals take him around vouching for him, as their name locally was gold. Then he gets on the town council, along with Lee the mayor, and (I can't leave out Barry) and all hell breaks loose. Oh Lord! We went up for sale! They were determine to force feed us everything we didn't want, and did. Now don't worry, all is not lost, these same nice local people we fell in love with, come from old pioneer stock who can handle anything. After having their gracious trust being used, these same ungratefulls are now on the other end of the line. Put your money on Tyrone locals to clean house!

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